symbv said: bNq said: I also think it can be done better, especially regarding certain arc and the last part of the story, but there are many things it did right, particularly if you look at things outside story and plot. And from what I see, those things that were done right are sufficient for people to buy in and spend the money.With Tari Tari there were a lot of things where they could've done much better - in my opinion at least - so maybe I'm biased here, or more likely just suck at predicting taste of japanese. Either way, point is, it's baffling me. People like me! I loved Tari Tari and bought the whole shebang, all six volumes of BD, soundtrack, the two volumes of manga... Watching the event, the cast loved the show. The girls were all in tears. I guess a movie lkke Hanasaku Iroha is all we can hope for. Most of the cast have worked with P.A Works before and some are already lined up in their next projects. I am a big fan of P.A. Works shows but not just because of P.A. Works. The shows just connect with me on a deep emotional level for some reason. Can't put my finger on it but the characters are always striving for something in a way that connects with me. I am looking forward to Red Data Girl even though some aspects of the premise worry me, hoping not to close to Hiiro no Kakera and Kamisama Hajimemashita, as the shrine maiden thing rarely works for me... Hmm, I see it is from a novel series, amazon.co.jp here I come... symbv said: SetsukoHara said: Yeah, we never see any number coming out for Sukitte. I am hoping that with the expansion of BD weekly sales chart to top 100 we may at last see some number for some of the later volumes.Also, why is Sukitte out of rankings? It didn't sell? cause that would be strange considering the success of the manga. The week the second volume came out there was a top 100 with threshold of like ~250 and sadly Sukitte still didn't rank. I love the show and the manga even more. Sadly there is much more fun stuff to animate. One OVA to look forward to at least... Regarding Shinsekai Yori, I don't think it was ever going to sell. Just not a winning formula. I love the novel and the show but it is not the sort of thing Japanese anime buyers want. Why make the show then? No idea... I imported all of these of course, Tari Tari, Shinsekai Yori and Sukitte ii na yo. Love them all even if I am the only person who bought them... |
hpulleyFeb 12, 2013 3:56 AM
hpulley said: To boost the sales of the novel? Perhaps they see the anime would at least get some sales, not bombing like this? As much as I agree that few should expect it was ever going to sell but <1k is still very much substantially lower than many had expected, including the anime production people I would say.Regarding Shinsekai Yori, I don't think it was ever going to sell. Just not a winning formula. I love the novel and the show but it is not the sort of thing Japanese anime buyers want. Why make the show then? No idea... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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symbv said: hpulley said: To boost the sales of the novel? Perhaps they see the anime would at least get some sales, not bombing like this? As much as I agree that few should expect it was ever going to sell but <1k is still very much substantially lower than many had expected, including the anime production people I would say.Regarding Shinsekai Yori, I don't think it was ever going to sell. Just not a winning formula. I love the novel and the show but it is not the sort of thing Japanese anime buyers want. Why make the show then? No idea... I agree they must have thought that it would do better than it did. Anime sales of a few thousand were probably expected. Why sales so poor? If only they knew they would only make hit shows... Low quality vs. Production delays? Poor style choices? Too moe or not moe enough? Too much yaoiyuri or not enough? With high number of fans of the novel do you try to please them or new fans? Both? End up pleasing none... |
| I never really expected any sales out of SSY. Granted I haven't watched the show, but those types of anime never sell in Japan. The character designs aren't interesting to your normal otaku, theres no jpop single to draw those fans, it focuses far more on story than characters, which is a big turn off to otaku... It really does everything to NOT be a good seller. |
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| SSY actually made a large boost for novel sales. Last edition of novel sold 2-2.5 times more than first one(don't remember the precise sales) and part of this because the anime. And I actually don't care about anime sales here cause they'll adapt all the story. Same goes for Sakurasou. |
Nachtwandler_21Feb 12, 2013 8:55 AM
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Nachtwandler_21 said: SSY actually made a large boost for novel sales. Last edition of novel sold 2-2.5 times more than first one(don't remember the precise sales) and part of this because the anime. And I actually don't care about anime sales here cause they'll adapt all the story. Same goes for Sakurasou. It does mean that companies may be scared off of green lighting more thriller anime like it in the future if people don't buy the physical release. Novel sales are nice, but the real money comes from those 80 dollar BD volumes. |
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Nachtwandler_21 said: SSY actually made a large boost for novel sales. Last edition of novel sold 2-2.5 times more than first one(don't remember the precise sales) and part of this because the anime. And I actually don't care about anime sales here cause they'll adapt all the story. Same goes for Sakurasou. How are they going to do all of Sakurasou when the novels are not finished? They have finished animating about five of the ten planned, eight completed novels but the anime is almost done this season. You sure they will finish Sakurasou!? I am not so sure and I have read to the end of the latest one, volume eight (which is great BTW!!). |
| I'm glad GirlPan and Jojo could add even more to their stacks because this was a slow week :) Regarding the SSY debate, I've come to terms with it not selling but at least the novel is doing well. Can't understand the criticism in this thread though. Animation inconsistencies don't bother me in a story-based series and I found the 'confusion' to almost always be perfectly balanced, just knowing enough to know what's generally going on, but little enough to always want to watch the next episode. Can't blame people who read the novel for being unsatisfied though. I haven't read it myself, but it's common to bicker about adaptions of your favorites more than you usually would (I do it too). |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Regarding the SSY debate, I've come to terms with it not selling but at least the novel is doing well. Can't understand the criticism in this thread though. Animation inconsistencies don't bother me in a story-based series and I found the 'confusion' to almost always be perfectly balanced, just knowing enough to know what's generally going on, but little enough to always want to watch the next episode. Can't blame people who read the novel for being unsatisfied though. I haven't read it myself, but it's common to bicker about adaptions of your favorites more than you usually would (I do it too). Same here, I understood the basic premise and enough of it with just the first watch, though, symbv did make everything a lot more clearer which makes me think if A-1 or Aniplex (whichever one it is that is producing it) tried a bit harder with the explanations of the concepts, I think it might have sold pretty well. Not Psycho-Pass well or Kuroko no BasketBall well, but enough, I think, to get at least a 1000 more off of the BD/DVD sales. |
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| Bit off topic for this list of releases but jmal or symbv any idea about the Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo? anime pre-orders? Since it said on animenewsnetwork that the novel sales quadrupled i was wondering if the anime looks to do well or it is just the novel sales that got a boost atm. |
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| After watching all the Hidamari franchise, gotta say I'm happy with Honeycomb's sales. |
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| Impact on source material sales seems to have no correlation with anime sales at all. |
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jmal said: Slicer22 said: Bit off topic for this list of releases but jmal or symbv any idea about the Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo? anime pre-orders? Since it said on animenewsnetwork that the novel sales quadrupled i was wondering if the anime looks to do well or it is just the novel sales that got a boost atm. Just the novels. The anime will be lucky to sell 2k, based on current rankings. Ok thx, from what i heard they are skimming the source material and the they only gave it 10 episodes so i can see why it might not sell that well and they would buy the novels instead. Source material is nearly always better anyway for anything. |
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Slicer22 said: jmal said: Slicer22 said: Bit off topic for this list of releases but jmal or symbv any idea about the Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo? anime pre-orders? Since it said on animenewsnetwork that the novel sales quadrupled i was wondering if the anime looks to do well or it is just the novel sales that got a boost atm. Just the novels. The anime will be lucky to sell 2k, based on current rankings. Ok thx, from what i heard they are skimming the source material and the they only gave it 10 episodes so i can see why it might not sell that well and they would buy the novels instead. Source material is nearly always better anyway for anything. Yep, genbun is always best. Novel adaptations are always big skims. Sakurasou is about five chapters per book, bit less than 80 pages per chapter and in trying to do about a chapter or two per episode they sometimes reduce 20 pages to a couple of lines of dialogue or skip it entirely. Shinsekai Yori is actually less pages in total but is denser. Light novels like Sakurasou read like screen plays... Almost as if they knew they would be turned into anime, hmm... You can see how they will block the scenes precisely. Even Shinsekai Yori is very faithful when it isn't skipping whole pages and chapters at a time, individual scenes are very close to the book. Manga is much easier to adapt, 288 pages can go into a single episode with ease for fight style work, drama is more dense, Tonari no Kaibutsu kun did about one chapter per episode, almost as much writing per page as some light novels if you subtract the wordy scene and expression descriptions you don't need in manga. |
symbv said: ... so getting fired up or feeling down just because you love an anime for its story and its apparent lack of "pandering" (which is actually very arguable) and it sells/bombs is a bit simplistic and shallow. Since its evident you were referring to me, what I said is: 9988 said: But the sad part is to see the fantastic shinsekai Yori all the way down there, one of the top best series currently airing, regardless its awesome that some series still focus 100% on story without any shameless pandering despite the evident risks. So when did I say I love Shinsekai Yori for lack of pandering? I said the story its whats great and makes me love it, only added that its awesome, pleasing, to have a anime focus 100% on story without any pandering to please many of you and bribe you to buy discs. You further object that its delectable the lack of pandering, it would be great that you post exactly whats the supposed pandering this series has. So what part is shallows and simplistic seriously? So loving the story is simplistic and shallow? 0_0. But ´buying and loving series for its mere cute moe/characters and/or fanservice must be very complex and deep right... What is shallow is that anime MUST have pandering: "fanservice-pantyshots, tits, butts, moe" to grab the attention and money of many of you. Something that some do recognize even when you are the first to always object to the reality of the usual motivation of many of todays hardcore fans to buy discs: RyanSaotome said: I never really expected any sales out of SSY. Granted I haven't watched the show, but those types of anime never sell in Japan. The character designs aren't interesting to your normal otaku, theres no jpop single to draw those fans, it focuses far more on story than characters, which is a big turn off to otaku... It really does everything to NOT be a good seller. I will just add that thank the heavens not all anime jump into todays trends to just sell, and we can have srsioud anime focusing on story and character development. |
9988Feb 12, 2013 1:45 PM
Sholic said: "50, *1,772 *,**1,772 Zettai Karen Children: The Unlimited - Hyoubu Kyousuke "Darkness Night"" Lol!!! That's nice. I want to buy it too :) Was going to say just buy it... But it is out of stock at amazon.co.jp !!! |
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jmal said: phoenixalia said: this makes me think of Chihayafuru...though this one is a manga. It sold...um...less than 2000 BD/DVDs per volume I think? Yet, a second season is being made. Chihayafuru is a bit unusual in that it is backed by NHK, Japan's national public broadcaster, i.e. funded by the television licensing fee, i.e. basically tax dollars. I'm sure return on investment is still a motive to some extent, and its manga sales probably justify it anyway. But NHK has a bit more leeway in broadcasting material for cultural or educational value than just commercial viability. Chihayafuru is an NTV show,not an NHK show. |
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9988 said: Given what you wrote above, is it not understandable that you are implying SSY is one of those series which "focus 100% on story without any shameless pandering"? 9988 said: But the sad part is to see the fantastic shinsekai Yori all the way down there, one of the top best series currently airing, regardless its awesome that some series still focus 100% on story without any shameless pandering despite the evident risks. So when did I say I love Shinsekai Yori for lack of pandering? 9988 said: That you jump up with joy for an anime because you love the story and love the lack of pandering and then you curse when an anime whose story you love does not sell. So what part is shallows and simplistic seriously? 9988 said: Loving the story is not simplistic and shallow. Commenting things about sales based only on how you perceive about story and pandering is.So loving the story is simplistic and shallow? 0_0. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: The topic of what fans look for in anime and how they judge an anime is brought up many times in places like 2ch, and every time animation is considered very important factor. And I would say that for the actual buyers it is even more important. And it can often trumps story even. This is also why many Japanese anime fans find western TV cartoon unappealing -- because of what they perceive as low level of animation (as well as cultural barrier of understanding the humor of course). Can't understand the criticism in this thread though. Animation inconsistencies don't bother me in a story-based series and I found the 'confusion' to almost always be perfectly balanced, just knowing enough to know what's generally going on, but little enough to always want to watch the next episode. As for confusion, I am not sure if you read the SSY threads in MAL. There are often important points that viewers get wrong which if you are reading the equivalent pages in the novel would have already been made unambiguously clear. So those adaptation decisions only led to confusion and it led to frustration, and people dropping the show. RyanSaotome said: But still I don't think sales as poor as <1k is to be expected. That level of sales is considered pretty humiliating in Japan. I guess the production did not expect to sell 10k or so but I am sure they were at least hoping for a fighting chance at the manabi line.I never really expected any sales out of SSY. Granted I haven't watched the show, but those types of anime never sell in Japan. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
RyanSaotome said: Surprisingly /a/'s list is MUCH betterHeres the 2ch survey they Jmal was talking about. |
| I'm pretty sure the sales for SSY dropped even further once episode 8 came about. It seems many had a big problem with it. |
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