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RMNDolphy said: Generic romantic comedy mixed mixed with some hackneyed drama = Unoriginal, boring... But fuck it, throw some ESP and some of the most cloying melodrama I've ever seen = Original! Groundbreaking! Masterpiece! Oh, MAL. You so moe. Keep it up, sport! Your generic butthurt is worse. Keep bashing on popular anime as if it's not so mainstream. |
megucas said: kenshin_sama said: Your generic butthurt is worse. Keep bashing on popular anime as if it's not so mainstream. This is what's wrong with not being able to accept the flaws of something. Complete blind fanboyism with a side of ad hominem. And since when do people ever watch anything without bias? I could easily point out something wrong with every anime I've ever watched, but it doesn't keep me from enjoying it. I understand that this anime tries to focus a lot on the dark aspects of others' lives and I know this has a lot of themes that you would see in just about any romance comedy, but that doesn't mean it should be labeled as something that doesn't deserve its praise. I can accept that others dislike it, but I hate it when they give a typical response that you would normally see from the average hater (it's especially bad if you're trying to call something else generic). |
| Kotoura-san, the comedy that's gonna hit you in the feels one episode at a time lol. Loved this episode!!! |
megucas said: Yvese said: Ah, you're one of those guys. I actually feel sorry that you can't simply enjoy a show and have to be so cynical about everything. There's a difference between blindly loving a show and being able to criticize its flaws and still like it, you seem to be the blind lover, as all of his points are valid. There's also a difference between blindly hating a show and being able to criticize its flaws. megucas said: I hate this show. That is not how you do it, so none of your points are valid. Your no different than a someone showing their enjoying affecting for the anime, simply in reverse. At the very least RMNDolphy wrote something negative (in a sarcastic sense) with something to back it up. |
megucas said: Unlike you, I don't look for flaws in every show. I watch something to enjoy myself since anime is entertainment. Yvese said: Ah, you're one of those guys. I actually feel sorry that you can't simply enjoy a show and have to be so cynical about everything. There's a difference between blindly loving a show and being able to criticize its flaws and still like it, you seem to be the blind lover, as all of his points are valid. Just like you enjoy having 2 guys in your avatar being lovey-dovey, I enjoy the quirks of this show. If you don't like it, simply drop it and move on or just don't post at all - nobody needs to hear your negativity more than once. We get it, you don't like it. That's too bad, but there's plenty of other shows out there you might enjoy. |
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| Now im starting to like her senpai , i mean they're really true to Kotoura. I thought she was just using her :| As for Moritani got told off by Manabe, i think she deseves that. ovoon7 said: I prefer my comedies to have feeling on the side. +1. |
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megucas said: Come on dude, just let them enjoy the anime. Just because you think those aspects are considered flaws doesn't mean everyone has too, and it doesn't really mean they are blind fanboys for disagreeing. No need to start an argument.kenshin_sama said: Your generic butthurt is worse. Keep bashing on popular anime as if it's not so mainstream. This is what's wrong with not being able to accept the flaws of something. Complete blind fanboyism with a side of ad hominem. |
| Kotoura is cute :D Manabe is awesome! I want the next ep. |
RMNDolphy said: Generic romantic comedy mixed mixed with some hackneyed drama = Unoriginal, boring... But fuck it, throw some ESP and some of the most cloying melodrama I've ever seen = Original! Groundbreaking! Masterpiece! Oh, MAL. You so moe. Keep it up, sport! Comes from someone who has Sword Art Online dropped at 25/25 and Spice and Wolf scored with 6. No words for so much stupidity. D: |
| This is one of the best anime of the winter for now, can't wait for the next episode. By the way, I was expecting what I saw, after the first episode I've thought about the story and the second episode confirmed my ideas, it's going on exactly as I imagined! |
Saito6689 said: RMNDolphy said: Generic romantic comedy mixed mixed with some hackneyed drama = Unoriginal, boring... But fuck it, throw some ESP and some of the most cloying melodrama I've ever seen = Original! Groundbreaking! Masterpiece! Oh, MAL. You so moe. Keep it up, sport! Comes from someone who has Sword Art Online dropped at 25/25 and Spice and Wolf scored with 6. No words for so much stupidity. D: True story -_- |
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kenshin_sama said: megucas said: kenshin_sama said: Your generic butthurt is worse. Keep bashing on popular anime as if it's not so mainstream. This is what's wrong with not being able to accept the flaws of something. Complete blind fanboyism with a side of ad hominem. And since when do people ever watch anything without bias? I could easily point out something wrong with every anime I've ever watched, but it doesn't keep me from enjoying it. I understand that this anime tries to focus a lot on the dark aspects of others' lives and I know this has a lot of themes that you would see in just about any romance comedy, but that doesn't mean it should be labeled as something that doesn't deserve its praise. I can accept that others dislike it, but I hate it when they give a typical response that you would normally see from the average hater (it's especially bad if you're trying to call something else generic). There's a big difference between something being wrong with your favorite anime and Kotoura-san's veritable mountain of faults. The problem isn't simply that it mixes comedy and melodrama. The problem is how ham-fisted the conflation ends up being in execution. The melodrama is so over the top and cloying that it's impossible to take seriously, and contrasted with the lusterless comedy, one can't help but feel the creators are being a bit disingenuous and manipulative. 'Generic' by itself isn't always necessarily a bad thing, although that is often the case; the problem arises when the audience can safely surmise just about everything that follows well in advance, mitigating the audience's potential immersion in the narrative greatly in the process. The comedy and drama employed here both fail to be engaging in any sense of the word. Yvese said: If you don't like it, simply drop it and move on or just don't post at all - nobody needs to hear your negativity more than once. We get it, you don't like it. That's too bad, but there's plenty of other shows out there you might enjoy. This is a discussion thread. Not a Kotoura-san circle jerk thread. Saito6689 said: Comes from someone who has Sword Art Online dropped at 25/25 and Spice and Wolf scored with 6. No words for so much stupidity. D: SAO was a joke, and 6 is a good score. |
NotDolphyJan 17, 2013 1:01 PM
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| I prepared this time, I tried to get myself in the right frame of mind... well, in he end I didn't need it too much. It was better than the last episode, I actually thought it was clever how the blue haired girl was tricking Kotoura with her thoughts, after all, people are usually honest with their thoughts, so Kotoura has no reason to suspect that the president would deliberately manipulate her with them. I liked that, I'll give it credit. The show's humour is much better than the drama, even if it is essentially the same set of jokes, I suppose I might bored of it after a while, but for now I liked it. As for the drama.... it was much less melodramatic than last episode, but it was still heavy handed at points... If there is one thing that I would call poor, it would be the pacing, however it didn't harm my enjoyment too much so it's fine. Compared to last episode I have much less complaints, though I fear that it could go way too deep into the melodrama again. |
megucas said: That's the beauty of forums though is to talk about why a show is good - or in my case, crap. If no one were to ever post when a show was bad and only post good things about every show, what kind of circlejerk environment do you imagine would become of this place? It's important to be able to criticize something - everything - if you can't criticize it you're completely ignoring other's opinions. Sounds like some great censorship style logic though - good job. "I hate this show". Criticism.... that's how it works. |
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Saito6689 said: RMNDolphy said: Generic romantic comedy mixed mixed with some hackneyed drama = Unoriginal, boring... But fuck it, throw some ESP and some of the most cloying melodrama I've ever seen = Original! Groundbreaking! Masterpiece! Oh, MAL. You so moe. Keep it up, sport! Comes from someone who has Sword Art Online dropped at 25/25 and Spice and Wolf scored with 6. No words for so much stupidity. D: u rated that second rate plot blackhole 10/10 . back to the the corner and shame on you! i have no words for your stupidity anymore! |
parfaited said: Wordsmith said: parfaited said: Wordsmith said: PS: I hope they show some of Manabe's Yuri-thoughts =) yes let's do this and turn it into another dime-a-dozen shitty heavy fanservice geared shows ... Your rage sustains me! It's not rage tho, just throwing the truth out there! ROTFLMAO. Opinion noted. |
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| One anime I'm looking forward to watching, there aren't much animes like this... gj Manabe! |
 "Only one with the courage to shoulder the burden of their own fate can be called a hero.." |
megucas said: RMNDolphy said: This is a discussion thread. Not a Kotoura-san circle jerk thread. Be sure to note this important point folks. Many seem to forget it. SCREW YOU AND YOUR DIFFERENT OPINION!! |
megucas said: kevinZ said: "I hate this show". Criticism.... that's how it works. I've already posted exactly what problems I have with this show. I trusted you were not so lazy as to not look at all, but it seems I was mistaken. My bad for reading and treating all your posts as if it were all hating and not criticizing the show at all. Back to the topic. I LOVE THIS ANIME! haters gonna hate. |
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| Giving SAO a 10 score is like fisting all haters from behind. I'm ok with that. |
RMNDolphy said: kenshin_sama said: megucas said: kenshin_sama said: Your generic butthurt is worse. Keep bashing on popular anime as if it's not so mainstream. This is what's wrong with not being able to accept the flaws of something. Complete blind fanboyism with a side of ad hominem. And since when do people ever watch anything without bias? I could easily point out something wrong with every anime I've ever watched, but it doesn't keep me from enjoying it. I understand that this anime tries to focus a lot on the dark aspects of others' lives and I know this has a lot of themes that you would see in just about any romance comedy, but that doesn't mean it should be labeled as something that doesn't deserve its praise. I can accept that others dislike it, but I hate it when they give a typical response that you would normally see from the average hater (it's especially bad if you're trying to call something else generic). There's a big difference between something being wrong with your favorite anime and Kotoura-san's veritable mountain of faults. The problem isn't simply that it mixes comedy and melodrama. The problem is how ham-fisted the conflation ends up being in execution. The melodrama is so over the top and cloying that it's impossible to take seriously, and contrasted with the lusterless comedy, one can't help but feel the creators are being a bit disingenuous and manipulative. 'Generic' by itself isn't always necessarily a bad thing, although that is often the case; the problem arises when the audience can safely surmise just about everything that follows well in advance, mitigating the audience's potential immersion in the narrative greatly in the process. The comedy and drama employed here both fail to be engaging in any sense of the word. And I do not see it as being any sort of major fault on my end. I agree, if you to look at it from a serious standpoint, it would not be that good. But, however, being the sentimental viewer that I am, I was really moved to tears seeing the story behind Kotoura's childhood being told and it was a great experience for me to partake in. How can this be so? Because I, unlike many other critics in the community, take great pleasure in enjoying my watch rather than being overly analytical on something that I dislike. Now, I'm not saying your tastes are bad in any sense of the word, something like that would run completely against my logic, but to call out against the fanbase for enjoying something like this so much is incredibly hypocritical if you're to take into consideration the numerous anime series that fail to meet the expectations of many viewers. I could very easily argue against your favor for Nichijou as it is something that I did not find funny for the majority of the watch, but it is something that doesn't appeal to me and my bias towards it would be incredibly high. |
lpfManiak said: kevinZ said: megucas said: That's the beauty of forums though is to talk about why a show is good - or in my case, crap. If no one were to ever post when a show was bad and only post good things about every show, what kind of circlejerk environment do you imagine would become of this place? It's important to be able to criticize something - everything - if you can't criticize it you're completely ignoring other's opinions. Sounds like some great censorship style logic though - good job. "I hate this show". Criticism.... that's how it works. The discussion the fans provide is often insipid. Infinitely less worthy of being read than thought-provoking remarks on the show, which at least, detractors try to provide. It's not like fans can't provide reasons they liked the show as well; they just don't. And they still think their contribution to the discussion has more worth than the 'haters' they're furiously attempting to discredit by attacking their integrity list ratings. Dear me. Both are in the wrong. |
parfaited said: Actually, I'm amazed this particular show is generating such exchanges.Uh-oh Sword Art Online has been mentioned in this discussion. |
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rederoin said: Everybody here does realize its possible to have a discussion on a show without it turning into a hatefest or a circle-jerk? Right? LIES! lpfManiak said: kevinZ said: megucas said: That's the beauty of forums though is to talk about why a show is good - or in my case, crap. If no one were to ever post when a show was bad and only post good things about every show, what kind of circlejerk environment do you imagine would become of this place? It's important to be able to criticize something - everything - if you can't criticize it you're completely ignoring other's opinions. Sounds like some great censorship style logic though - good job. "I hate this show". Criticism.... that's how it works. The discussion the fans provide is often insipid. Infinitely less worthy of being read than thought-provoking remarks on the show, which at least, detractors try to provide. It's not like fans can't provide reasons they liked the show as well; they just don't. And they still think their contribution to the discussion has more worth than the 'haters' they're furiously attempting to discredit by attacking their integrity list ratings. Dear me. It's because your opinion isn't theirs therefore it's wrong. I had this problem in the first episode discussion. I said I didn't like the melodrama, backed it up, and got called a troll because of it. HuRR DURR. |
| Way to go Manabe! |
InfiniteRyvius said: rederoin said: Everybody here does realize its possible to have a discussion on a show without it turning into a hatefest or a circle-jerk? Right? LIES! lpfManiak said: kevinZ said: megucas said: That's the beauty of forums though is to talk about why a show is good - or in my case, crap. If no one were to ever post when a show was bad and only post good things about every show, what kind of circlejerk environment do you imagine would become of this place? It's important to be able to criticize something - everything - if you can't criticize it you're completely ignoring other's opinions. Sounds like some great censorship style logic though - good job. "I hate this show". Criticism.... that's how it works. The discussion the fans provide is often insipid. Infinitely less worthy of being read than thought-provoking remarks on the show, which at least, detractors try to provide. It's not like fans can't provide reasons they liked the show as well; they just don't. And they still think their contribution to the discussion has more worth than the 'haters' they're furiously attempting to discredit by attacking their integrity list ratings. Dear me. It's because your opinion isn't theirs therefore it's wrong. I had this problem in the first episode discussion. I said I didn't like the melodrama, backed it up, and got called a troll because of it. HuRR DURR. I wouldn't call you a troll because of your opinion, but phrases such as "HuRR DURR" can very well put you in that category as it does invoke a certain amount of negative emotion from others. |
megucas said: Here's the thing, criticism is all well and good. I welcome it as well as opinions. HOWEVER, the guy I quoted that started this all is who I have problems with.That's the beauty of forums though is to talk about why a show is good - or in my case, crap. If no one were to ever post when a show was bad and only post good things about every show, what kind of circlejerk environment do you imagine would become of this place? It's important to be able to criticize something - everything - if you can't criticize it you're completely ignoring other's opinions. Sounds like some great censorship style logic though - good job. He's the type that hates nearly everything. Just look at his list and malgraph. People can criticize and express their opinions all they want, however, if it comes from someone that expresses it sarcastically and essentially laughs at MAL for it, THAT's when it's just plain annoying. If you want to criticize or voice negative opinions on something, go for it. Just don't laugh at others or be a smart ass about it. |
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| Opinions lead to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to incredibly stupid forum posts. That being said, I have seen very little actual viable critics in here. Just FYI, opinions =/= critics per se. What I DID see was an obnoxious amount of Butthurt, on all sides, and a flamewar that has to do with opinions and nothing to do with Kotoura. So please everyone, be civil and try not to derail this thread into a personal vendetta against XYZ that would make the mods interfere. |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
kenshin_sama said: I wouldn't call you a troll because of your opinion, but phrases such as "HuRR DURR" can very well put you in that category as it does invoke a certain amount of negative emotion from others. I was referring to the guy calling me a troll when I Hurt Durred. |
kenshin_sama said: RMNDolphy said: kenshin_sama said: megucas said: kenshin_sama said: Your generic butthurt is worse. Keep bashing on popular anime as if it's not so mainstream. This is what's wrong with not being able to accept the flaws of something. Complete blind fanboyism with a side of ad hominem. And since when do people ever watch anything without bias? I could easily point out something wrong with every anime I've ever watched, but it doesn't keep me from enjoying it. I understand that this anime tries to focus a lot on the dark aspects of others' lives and I know this has a lot of themes that you would see in just about any romance comedy, but that doesn't mean it should be labeled as something that doesn't deserve its praise. I can accept that others dislike it, but I hate it when they give a typical response that you would normally see from the average hater (it's especially bad if you're trying to call something else generic). There's a big difference between something being wrong with your favorite anime and Kotoura-san's veritable mountain of faults. The problem isn't simply that it mixes comedy and melodrama. The problem is how ham-fisted the conflation ends up being in execution. The melodrama is so over the top and cloying that it's impossible to take seriously, and contrasted with the lusterless comedy, one can't help but feel the creators are being a bit disingenuous and manipulative. 'Generic' by itself isn't always necessarily a bad thing, although that is often the case; the problem arises when the audience can safely surmise just about everything that follows well in advance, mitigating the audience's potential immersion in the narrative greatly in the process. The comedy and drama employed here both fail to be engaging in any sense of the word. And I do not see it as being any sort of major fault on my end. I agree, if you to look at it from a serious standpoint, it would not be that good. But, however, being the sentimental viewer that I am, I was really moved to tears seeing the story behind Kotoura's childhood being told and it was a great experience for me to partake in. How can this be so? Because I, unlike many other critics in the community, take great pleasure in enjoying my watch rather than being overly analytical on something that I dislike. Now, I'm not saying your tastes are bad in any sense of the word, something like that would run completely against my logic, but to call out against the fanbase for enjoying something like this so much is incredibly hypocritical if you're to take into consideration the numerous anime series that fail to meet the expectations of many viewers. I could very easily argue against your favor for Nichijou as it is something that I did not find funny for the majority of the watch, but it is something that doesn't appeal to me and my bias towards it would be incredibly high. I agree that comedy is more subjective than most things, so it may be best to leave them out of the discussion. However, drama and good writing are certainly less so. I'm not saying people are wrong to buy into Kotoura's-san overbearing melodrama, I'm saying said melodrama is simply a symptom of bad writing. People are free to like what they like. For instance, I genuinely enjoy Saki, despite it having objectively terrible writing, but I also don't go on the forum and beg detractors to like Saki just because I like it. Subjectivity like that doesn't lead to interesting discussion. It can only lead to "I like this" - "I don't" - "you's a dummy troll face"... If someone could come up with a well-written, well substantiated post about what Kotoura-san does well, that would be great. But so far, the only well-substantiated posts have been by detractors. Hence the somewhat one-sided conversation here. |
NotDolphyJan 17, 2013 1:40 PM
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| top anime of winter season/10 |
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| Episode 02 was great, it had the emotional rollercoaster as well as the fantastic comedy present and I didn't think Manabe would confront Hiyori like that. You know from the OP animation that Hiyori and Kotoura patch up things eventually. Anyways, Hiyori being jealous was great, I mean I didn't like what she did to Kotoura, in fact I wanted someone to slap her there and then but her being confronted and shouted at whilst saying he has feelings for another girl by the one she loves, must have really stung. In the preview, you see her practising in her dojo and making up a sweat.....I know she will patch things with Kotoura but I'm wondering how. I mean she knew what she was doing to Kotoura, I guess she didn't expect the repercussions and I wonder if Kotoura will try and help Hiyori confess to Manabe or would it go straight to "We are love rivals" mode. If it's a case of the latter, Kotoura will win hands down but if it's the former, then maybe Hiyori has a chance but I don't see Manabe going for her unfortunately. I know Kotoura is a "tragic" character but I see characters like Hiyori who are set up to lose from the get-go despite being in love with the main character for a very long time.....I personally find those characters "tragic" if no one else is out there for them in the boundaries of their anime world. Man, I gotta wait for another week, currently this and Chihayafuru S2 are the only shows I'm following at the moment and up-to-date with, I'll be sure to pick up more series next week. |
| Well I had some problems with it in the first episode(the way Haruka read people on the first day at her new school, I thought she would have learned by that point to just not say anything or just tell the person what they wanna hear) but I'm really enjoying this nonetheless. I feel like other than what I mentioned, they are taking a rather realistic approach to the situation, and that is bound to breed drama. So the dramatic backtones shouldn't really come as a surprise. Oh, and Manabe's a boss. |
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| I'm really liking this, I want more |
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RMNDolphy said: I find this post amusing considering the tone of your first post in this thread.I agree that comedy is more subjective than most things, so it may be best to leave them out of the discussion. However, drama and good writing are certainly less so. I'm not saying people are wrong to buy into Kotoura's-san overbearing melodrama, I'm saying said melodrama is simply a symptom of bad writing. People are free to like what they like. For instance, I genuinely enjoy Saki, despite it having terrible writing, but I also don't go on the forum and beg detractors to like Saki just because I like it. Subjectivity like that doesn't lead to interesting discussion. It can only lead to "I like this" - "I don't" - "you's a dummy troll face"... If someone could come up with a well-written, well substantiated post about what Kotoura-san does well, that would be great. But so far, the only well-substantiated posts have been by detractors. Hence the somewhat one-sided conversation here. |
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| Lol! megucas:I hate this show. Everybody else: Dude, what the hell? megucas:OMG EVERYBODY'S GANGING UP ON ME WHAT IS THIS A CIRCLEJERK I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION |
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MagicFlier said: top anime of winter season/10 definetly one of the top 5 for me sofar ;) |
Yvese said: RMNDolphy said: I find this post amusing considering the tone of your first post in this thread.I agree that comedy is more subjective than most things, so it may be best to leave them out of the discussion. However, drama and good writing are certainly less so. I'm not saying people are wrong to buy into Kotoura's-san overbearing melodrama, I'm saying said melodrama is simply a symptom of bad writing. People are free to like what they like. For instance, I genuinely enjoy Saki, despite it having terrible writing, but I also don't go on the forum and beg detractors to like Saki just because I like it. Subjectivity like that doesn't lead to interesting discussion. It can only lead to "I like this" - "I don't" - "you's a dummy troll face"... If someone could come up with a well-written, well substantiated post about what Kotoura-san does well, that would be great. But so far, the only well-substantiated posts have been by detractors. Hence the somewhat one-sided conversation here. My first post may have been a bit glib and flippant, but it was infinitely more substantial than the "This made cry me, luv sho" quality of the majority of this thread. It dissected the logic you fellers are employing in calling this show "original" quite succinctly, if I do say so myself... /gloat |
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