Eureka Seven AO Episode 20 Discussion

MEsoJD said:


Oh god I love the opinion card. Your right, but that doesn't mean a show can't have faults. This show has many. Characters are uninteresting and occasionally make illogical decisions, only children can use lfos(to increase viewership?), timing on drama is eradicated and never hits, they fight these boring monsters, and etc... I could on and on. It's very apparent that little thought went into this show and they wanted to revived a series that have perfectly good ending to make some cash by using a Name that many know. If you watch as many anime/movies/shows as I have, you pick up on BS. When people start favoring shit like this, originality starts to die.

-Angy- said:
According to this, http://cal.syoboi.jp/tid/2471/time , we can definitely conclude that there'll be only 22 episodes on TV. (Before, CBC was still mentioning 23/24)

It's more likely that episodes 23 and 24 will be blu-ray only since :

Vol.1 : Ep 1-2 (confirmed)
Vol.2 : Ep 3-5 (confirmed)
Vol.3 : Ep 6-8 (confirmed)
Vol.4 : Ep 9-11 (confirmed)
Vol.5 : Ep 12-14 (confirmed)
Vol.6 : Ep 15-17 (3 episodes mentionned on the official website)
Vol.7 : Ep 18-20 (3 episodes mentionned on the official website)
Vol.8 : Ep 21-23 (3 episodes mentionned on the official website)
Vol.9 : Ep 24 + Bonus (1 episode mentionned on the official website)

Dangerr said:

At this point, it's too early to say anything either way. Given how MUCH there is to cover in only four episodes, for the sake of quality and Bones' reputation, I would almost have to see them doing an S2, however, think about DtB's S2, and how much they royally screwed that up (most of all, the ending); the production crews are mostly completely different, I understand, but the precedence is there as a studio for it to happen again. There's just so many elements of the story for AO to elaborate on, it would be completely overwhelming to try addressing them all, while keeping a sound and properly dramatic script, rather than a massive expositional info-dump.

If it hasn't become clearer, I've started to become more critical about various aspects of the show; I was more lenient in the first half, as I found the complex world-building and various conflicts to be an acceptable alternative to the comprehensive character-development that the first series is known for, so long as they would deliver enough for us to be invested in the characters (which it succeeded in, at that stretch of episodes, for the most part). More or less, up until Eureka's appearance, the show was doing good in my eyes, and definitely amounted to more than the sum of its parts. Since episode 16, however, there's been a strange disconnect between me and the events that have transpired; I'll constantly find that the episodes by themselves are actually mostly enjoyable, but when taken in tandem with what has preceded, they feel oddly inconsequential.

While important events did indeed happen in 16-18, and generally did a comprehensive job in telling their respective stories, they lacked dramatic tension, and greatly downplayed the urgency of everything that's been happening around the main cast of characters (Ivica's nonchalant reaction to Ao's acquisition of the Quartz cannon; Fleur and Elena PR shtick while their comrade has defected to the Allied Forces; The Secret's massive security threat to GB; Fleur's seeming-acceptance of Elena's casual admittance to murder; etc.). Now, most of these can be given a rational explanation, which is fine, but given the context of what's been transpiring, they're either out of place, or have been executed too poorly to be justifiable. For example, Elena and Fluer's little scene that was intended to be a humorous, meta-joke towards anime production, does that really belong in what's essentially the final-stretch of the series, which is a crucial time to build aforementioned dramatic tension? And while I'm glad they've been developing the characters further, particularly Fleur and Elena, others have more or less been left by the wayside (Ivica, Rebecka, and Gazelle's crew, specifically).

Also, while I generally wasn't having a problem with suspension of disbelief earlier on, it's becoming increasingly difficult to suppress; some of what I just mentioned has to do with it, but the greatest leap for me was in episode 18; I can't personally accept Christophe's reactions to what the pilots of Pied Piper have done as being that of a sane man, and while I understand that Alex is foremost a gear-head who is endlessly intrigued by the technology he services, I have an even harder time comprehending the utter, reckless irresponsibility he'd shown by letting both Fleur and Elena, unauthorized, confront the Allied Forces for their defected comrade; essentially the downfall of Generation Bleu, right there. The matter of the fact, is, that Ao's defection was a completely transparent means to an end for the writers, which was to get the world to turn against Generation Bleu (and set up Pied Piper's new alliance with Japan, it seems).

Essentially, it's not one big thing pulling the show down right now, or even several, but numerous small problems, that while marginal by themselves, add up quickly to form a mess. I found episode 19 to be refreshingly sober, focused, and even one of the best episodes of the series, but the prelude up to that point was underwhelming, and could have benefited so much more to an added sense of urgency and incremental cohesion, which has been lacking. It will be slightly more acceptable if there's some sort of upcoming S2 in the Spring, but the matter of the fact is, Bones has been dark about this; if they indeed have a second season in mind, then by choosing to stay dark, they've hurt the perception by which we're supposed to have been viewing these episodes with, which is roughly that of the mid-series climax, and not the entire franchise. It is with this perception, that myself and so many others are losing faith for a satisfactory ending, and is definitely damaging my perception of the series, overall.

Dangerr said:

I don't get it -- I thought this was only a problem with TBS. I understand the Olympics screwed shit up, but seriously, wtf is going on here?

CSpaz said:
No offence to anyone, but I just don't get it how you people can like this sequel. I keep watching one episode after another, hoping that it will get better but it's not.
and we're almost at the end.

The original Eureka Seven anime is superior in everything.

Dangerr said:

I don't get it -- I thought this was only a problem with TBS. I understand the Olympics screwed shit up, but seriously, wtf is going on here?

Dangerr said:

Look again; theEND was destroyed in that blast. At this point, it's seemingly turning out to be a red-herring and a tease.


Plot points that must be resolved for a satisfying conclusion:

* "IFO-0" as Tanaka put it, who/what made it, and its overall importance to the plot.

* Likely related to the above, the nature of the quartz cannon deserves a good explanation. It's likely Renton has to do with both.

* The true nature of quartz, and the motivations that has drove the Scub Coral to seemingly go against what they stood for in E7:PoP.

* The true nature of the Secrets, what they are SPECIFICALLY, where they come from, and WHY they're here to destroy the Scub Coral, though that can also obviously be inferred.

* Elena's true past and her importance to Eureka.

* Naru's endgame, and how she's going to affect the overall plot; to top it all off, we got the enigma of the pre-spec3 typeZERO whom ejected Eureka to pursue Truth (though I can guess why, at this point).

*Mysterious shadowed IFO/LFO in the OP.

*Gen Bleu's new mission to destroy quartz / Scub Coral.

* Ao's resolution with both his mother and father.

* The fate of Pied Piper and Gazelle's crew.


There's even more I could bring up, but think about it - we've got all that to cover in four episodes, and that's not even counting the drama and casual scenes between the exposition. Everything I've listed could easily fill the plot of a second season, and would give us the time to establish the achingly-needed information about what's exactly happened in the future.

WAHa_06x36 said:


Incidentally, that "Cannon" name seems like a mistranslation. Seems a lot more like it'd be named "Kannon", "Kwannon" or maybe "Guanyin" if you don't want to be as literal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanyin

Either way, the name was not pronounced the same as "cannon" is when transliterated into Japanese.

(This was the first episode I watched with AraAraUfufu subs instead of GG, and I am a bit underwhelmed, there were some other obvious mistranslations, too.)

-Angy- said:

Well, I don't know if we can trust Bones for this, they've already made some errors in the episodes ("Eisenhpwer", "Big Bleu World"...)

Dangerr said:

Well, they went through the trouble of calling it a "Light Finding Operation" as opposed to "Intelligent Flying Object", or whatever "IFO" stands for, so It seems certain to be an LFO, which stands to say that it houses an archetype of some sort. Just like the quartz cannon, I'm guessing it's a creation that has something to do with Renton; possibly the principal engineer of both items.

Tyrel said:


Meh w/e it is. We prob won't get much out of it with only 2 episodes left for airing on t.v. While the rest we may have to wait, until BD's. I'ma facepalm, and be pissed off.

If anyone figures out if they will actually make us wait for final 2 episodes do say so ^.~

AnimaRO64 said:
Dudude I hope they don't make us wait I think i will abandon all hope for this series. I just hope the wait isnt too long

I3rawler said:
The show's got some serious endgame-feelings to it right now... so I highly doubt there'll be a S2. Hard to say what's gonna happen next. Still, that episode was pretty well done imo - lots of progress yet it still was quite clear what actually happened there; sides were switched and much more. Was nice watching it.