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knightofdread said: good episode, i don't understand why people keep saying how this show doesn't stand up to the original well from what i can tell it's not trying to stand up to the original so stop trying to compare the two. Because it's a direct sequel, why wouldn't we compare it? It doesn't bother me at all that they use a different cast and setting, but are they giving us what we loved about the original? Hell, most of us might not even be watching it if it weren't for the title. |
| That was good episode but damn 3 weeks hiatus |
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| things are falling into place like a prefect puzzle, so many question anwsered, thought is would had taken more time. |
a_guest said: This show can now be named "Theater of Poor Shadows", as everything here looks like a shadow of original... Even the battle scenes. You've already stated your disdain for the series in two separate posts, so what's the purpose of this one? It's cluttering up the discussion with something you could have expressed neatly in one or two other postings. kenshin_sama said: Because it's a direct sequel, why wouldn't we compare it? It doesn't bother me at all that they use a different cast and setting, but are they giving us what we loved about the original? Hell, most of us might not even be watching it if it weren't for the title. To give my opinion, I agree, they should be compared based upon their own merits and demerits. For instance, I'll agree that the original series had better character development overall, and a greatly imaginative setting and culture that really set itself apart from other titles in the genre. At its expense, the pacing was uneven at best, and lacked the nuances in its world-building and exposition that AO has displayed -- so both series have their own respective strengths and weaknesses. Personally, the reason I believe AO has been so controversial can be summarized between two different groups of people: Those who went in expecting an Eureka Seven: Redux Edition, and those who expected something DIFFERENT. Admittedly, while I went in expecting it to be substantially different based upon what I knew of the series before going in, I wasn't optimistic, as even seven years later, I hadn't really thought of a sequel as being necessary, or even desired in any capacity. Lo and behold, the first episode had me hooked, and there were many aspects that I actually found superior to the original (and still do); so I found this series a pleasant surprise. Momoko11 said: Let's face it , we're all only watching this series to see our beloved Renton, Eureka, Anemone, Dominic, TheEND, and the Nirvash again. Completely wrong; many may not care to make it vocal in this thread, but that's just false. If you're going to ignore all of the other aspects that's made this show stand apart (in a good way, in my opinion), then why are you even watching? I'm happy the producers have tried something daring again with the franchise, and instead avoided a hammy, fan-pandering mess. Threads such as these should really be the places where we discuss such things, however: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=460249 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=464557 |
DangerrJul 28, 2012 3:24 AM
| Dangerr: The first post was created, after watching the RAW and the second was related to text (subs). So these are 2 posts about 2 different things. I agree, that i should mention it. I also agree that shows can be different, and I hope that in the future episodes there will be some kind of WOW effect, but in some cases it is better to stop (like Treminator 1-2 great 3-and on rubbish). |
a_guestJul 28, 2012 3:14 AM
a_guest said: Dangerr: The first post was created, after watching the RAW and the second was related to text (subs). So these are 2 posts about 2 different things. I agree, that i should mention it. Fair enough. I would just like to try keeping the discussion clutter to a minimum, as we seemingly have a new person every week asking questions or making speculations about something that's already been discussed to death; having to sift through arbitrary chatter or general criticisms of the series can ward off those seeking to have an actual discourse over elements of the episode at hand, or cause them to skip over what's been said to submit their own information, which turns out being either outdated or redundant. There should be a few threads dedicated toward general criticisms of the series. |
DangerrJul 28, 2012 3:29 AM
| Yeah I'm really only in this for Renton lol..(I hope thats Renton in OP Song cause dude looks fckin boss XD) To be honest I wish they would of made a sequel about the 3 kids that Eureka and Renton raised in the original E7. To me that would of made a lot more sense because they actually have emotional attachment to Eureka and Renton and not this I hate my dad but love my mom garbage their pushing with AO. Plus with those 3 kids I feel like character development would of actually existed and I could totally believe them trying to do anything to get Renton and Eureka back. In terms of the episode I thought it was pretty weak. The only good thing about the episode was seeing the Secrets talk. |
Cloud4159Jul 28, 2012 4:58 AM
| Finally the story inches forward, but damn 2 week break. Why? |
| Too much hate for this show, and the funny thing is most of complaints aren't even real issues with the show. Just people's preference, most are complaining trivial things like wanting to see more characters from original E7. Anyway, a pretty good episode. 4.5/5 |
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| I am not buying what Secrets say. For protectors, they are a bit too trigger happy on eliminating any humans they can see. Of course, it is also possible that Secrets are just badly made machines XP On other hand, I am not trusting the Corals either. We saw in last ep that Eureka and Naru, both of whom could be called Coral Representatives, have conflicting opinions. It is quite possible that Coralians are split into two factions. Also, I wonder if the Secrets are not from the future. Maybe someone from old cast created them to destroy the quartz for some reason and, in inventor's beliefs, save the humanity. And treads here seriously have too many useless comments that have nothing to do with the episodes. Shouldn't there be a thread for whining so Episode discussion terads could stay.... well, episode discussion treads. |
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| Shit episode. So there is only 5-6 good episodes in series, another ones are very bad. About polytics(why we need to see it?), about stupid battle with secrets, pfff. Never thought that they will fail 2nd "season" of eurekaa, but they made it. Only eureka appearence made a little interest. I was about to drop this shit. |
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Icebreaker93 said: That was good episode but damn 3 weeks hiatus I liked this episode but I'm bummed about a three week break most likely do to the Olympics. |
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| People need to Sdfu about E7 and E7AO. If you hate the second season, then drop it instead of crying about it all day. I agree that E7 had more emotion, better development and such, but what do you expect? It was a 50 Episode long series where they could plan stuff more. Unlike the 24 Episodes we get which pretty much goes into a new world and explaining all the ties and knots of what has happened. Less QQ is needed. |
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Tyrel said: People need to Sdfu about E7 and E7AO. If you hate the second season, then drop it instead of crying about it all day. I agree that E7 had more emotion, better development and such, but what do you expect? It was a 50 Episode long series where they could plan stuff more. Unlike the 24 Episodes we get which pretty much goes into a new world and explaining all the ties and knots of what has happened. Less QQ is needed. Hm.. Quite strange position. Most of the complaints I see, are about quality of the show, and not about the show itself. So, do you suggest not to ask for at least the same quality? As was mentioned before, AO is positioned as sequel, so it is natural to expect something alike. "Do it well, or do not do it at all". Nobody here is "crying", just explaining point of view. That's what forums are made for, isn't it? Or maybe I'm missing something? |
| Good episode. More answers than questions and Ao is manning up as a fighter. It looks like we'll have an epic battle coming up. |
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a_guest said: Tyrel said: People need to Sdfu about E7 and E7AO. If you hate the second season, then drop it instead of crying about it all day. I agree that E7 had more emotion, better development and such, but what do you expect? It was a 50 Episode long series where they could plan stuff more. Unlike the 24 Episodes we get which pretty much goes into a new world and explaining all the ties and knots of what has happened. Less QQ is needed. Hm.. Quite strange position. Most of the complaints I see, are about quality of the show, and not about the show itself. So, do you suggest not to ask for at least the same quality? As was mentioned before, AO is positioned as sequel, so it is natural to expect something alike. "Do it well, or do not do it at all". Nobody here is "crying", just explaining point of view. That's what forums are made for, isn't it? Or maybe I'm missing something? The Episode discussions are made for discussing on the episode. Not comparing it even if its the sequel, if you want to compare it make a separate thread explaining your "POV". It just gets really tiring that in every E7AO episode thread it has people complaining how the sequel was better and this and that. It just gets tiring seeing that 24/7. The quality of the show isn't as great as E7, but deal with it. I would wish for the exact same quality as E7, but you can't always get what you want. Do it well, or do not do it at all". << The thing you said here, what would you want, honestly. To have them never make a sequel of the show or to make it. Tons of people wanted a sequel to E7 after the ending, and that's what we're getting, though it isn't exactly a "Sequel" In my terms of view of how its gone, but I'm not saying that every second I get like other people are doing. This is just my POV. |
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| Story is starting to take off. It is kind of funny that now is when they are taking a break due to the Olympics. |
| Good episode ._ .b I'm enjoying how they reveal bits of the story/plot in each episode and that's keeping me really interested. 3 week wait... ;-; |
| Did anyone notice the changes in the OP? |
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shanimebib said: Did anyone notice the changes in the OP? Could you please post which changes?; didn't see any. |
| The stupidest thing I always here on here is "If you don't like it then why are you watching the series." As an anime watcher I have the right to express my criticisms on a particular anime and just because I express criticism doesn't mean I hate the show. This silly notion of dropping the entire show is asinine. The show is becoming more interesting but with less than 9 episodes left this will be rushed. To be quite frank they missed the ball on this one and should have introduced the Gekko sooner to build up for the final confrontation. I see quite a lot of fanboys on here (Dangerr) who lash out on other individuals who voice an opinion on an anime forum. Funny I thought the whole idea of discussing an anime was to critique the good and the bad. BTW the person who said 24 episodes is not enough is making a ridiculous statement. Countless shows have made rich plots with fantastic characters with about that many episodes and some even less. |
| Is it weird that I'm more excited by the fact that Type TheEND is in the next episode, than the fact Eureka is? |
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Darkdrone said: The stupidest thing I always here on here is "If you don't like it then why are you watching the series." As an anime watcher I have the right to express my criticisms on a particular anime and just because I express criticism doesn't mean I hate the show. This silly notion of dropping the entire show is asinine. The show is becoming more interesting but with less than 9 episodes left this will be rushed. To be quite frank they missed the ball on this one and should have introduced the Gekko sooner to build up for the final confrontation. Who said there isn't an AO season 2? |
| Someone can tell me why we have to wait 3 weeks for the next episode just because there are the Olympics? |
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Darkdrone said: The stupidest thing I always here on here is "If you don't like it then why are you watching the series." As an anime watcher I have the right to express my criticisms on a particular anime and just because I express criticism doesn't mean I hate the show. This silly notion of dropping the entire show is asinine. I agree. Darkdrone said: I see quite a lot of fanboys on here (Dangerr) who lash out on other individuals who voice an opinion on an anime forum. Funny I thought the whole idea of discussing an anime was to critique the good and the bad. It's one thing to express an opinion, and another to make sweeping generalizations; I have nothing wrong with those wishing to voice their opinion, and encourage it (contrary viewpoints always make the discussion more interesting; the problem here though - does comparing the qualities of both series really belong in the episode discussion threads?). And how does it make me a fanboy for expressing my own, contrary opinions and observations? If you're prepared to make a controversial statement, then shouldn't you be ready to take heat from the other side? I don't disagree with you (as far as critiquing the good and bad), but I fail to see how I'm the fanboy here. Momoko11 said: Calm down dude. It's just my opinion. I never said you had to agree with it. Besides, it's not like I said I completely hate E7AO I (emphasis on I) just want it to be more like the original. Don't flip out on me. I'm actually not lashing out, and apologize if you took it that way; I tend to go hardball with these discussions, but I'm all for keeping everything civil. You may be expressing your opinion, but you gave a sweeping statement that just isn't true. My response was aggressive, but I didn't mean to bite your head off, so for that, I apologize. |
DangerrJul 29, 2012 4:43 AM
| Tyrel: I agree that in some cases discussion gets annoying and it needs to stop, i just do not like when people say "They are doing it, just be grateful for that". For sure, it is impossible to create a sequel which will correspond to expectations of all of the fans, but it is sad to see such casual work here (it is my personal point of view, to avoid any complaints). As for the episode. This one looked like raw material. Like director got shots from the cameras and lined them up in timeline, for future editing (to be honest, till now, most of the episodes looked like that to me). And at some point, it seems like coralians, were running from someone after loosing a war (a kind of refugees here) or trying to avoid it, and now the opponents got them. All I said is my opinion only. |
SpiritxGun36 said: With the way this show is going im expecting (actually hoping) they pull a code geass and come out with another season so stuff isnt rushed maybe abd we get more info on what happened to the old e7 characters I can conceivably see this ending in nine or so episodes; it's going to have to address a lot, but nine episodes -should- be plenty. |
QuakerBits said: shanimebib said: Did anyone notice the changes in the OP? I just re-watched 14/15 intros at the same time, paused a lot to check.. couldn't really find anything?!?! Linkark07 said: shanimebib said: Did anyone notice the changes in the OP? Could you please post which changes?; didn't see any. |
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| At this point the discussion thread of the latest episode would be usually filled with theories and I don't really see any of those, if you want to bitch about about the sequel in general, go make a new thread or use one that already exists. I don't know what to think of the speaking Secret, it could be lying but I wouldn't bet on it. That a Secret spoke is awesome, I would ask it a ton of things but Blanc wants to destroy them. Next episode Eureka shows up again, that's a good teaser but on the other hand wouldn't it be better not to show her in the preview and suprise us when the time comes? |
| Not too interesting, mostly build up in this episode. Ao getting all hot-blooded in battle. And the Secret speaks! And we find out Generation Bleu's motive in gathering the Quartz... Next episode looks to be action packed. |
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| 2 week break!! nice! a force break for my incoming exam!! |
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triforcebih said: 2 weeks break BONES  What a break....this sucks !!! |
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| Total mess... |
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triforcebih said: a_guest said: Sorry, I may look stupid, but I could not find Eureka in the preview of the next ep... Could you please point out where to look? eh lol ? i didnt watch the EP yet but she is in the PV. standin there, her head covering the sun/moon and she got no belly Thank you. I have already figured it out:) |
| i am stuck on the thought of "what if Eureka was the enemy" mostly because pretty much every hates her I highly doubt it but i'm preparing myself for it >< |
AnimaRO64 said: i am stuck on the thought of "what if Eureka was the enemy" mostly because pretty much every hates her I highly doubt it but i'm preparing myself for it >< Effing with other timelines, intentionally or not, tends to cause some pretty adverse reactions for the parties affected - a fairly consistent element in time-travel fiction. Making Eureka and Renton out to be the antagonists however... I don't know if any sort of masterful storytelling would be able to overcome the gut-punch BONES would be delivering to the audience (including myself). Either way, I can only see endless fan-rage at such a scenario; I doubt this is going to happen. |
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