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| Despite the fact that Kiritsugu has been through a lot, I really could not condone what he does now, because of it. I did feel sorry for him, and it does not stop him from been such a great characters, but sometimes I seriously don't like him, especially the way he treats Saber. |
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| What the.. actual fuck.. This ending.. This episode was so emotional and sad. :( |
| Why is Kiritsugu's back-story so much better than the main plot? |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
JoshSalas said: Why is Kiritsugu's back-story so much better than the main plot? Nice quasi-troll attempt. This episode was good, but the previous one was pretty meh, so overall Kerry's flashback arc isn't really doing it for me as much as the main plot is. |
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| the past two episodes could have been easily an OVA instead these two being implemented on the TV series. The back story is cool and all but two whole episodes for a flashback is an overkill. I wonder if he still got some of those bullets left. |
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NoobHunterD said: the past two episodes could have been easily an OVA instead these two being implemented on the TV series. The back story is cool and all but two whole episodes for a flashback is an overkill. I wonder if he still got some of those bullets left. I think it works well as part of the anime, although like someone else mentioned, it would have been better to have them after episode 16 (3) with the death of Team Lancer still fresh on our minds. Having Kirei interrupt the Kerry development was very awkward. As for his bullets, I believe that he has ten reserved for this Grail War. |
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JoshSalas said: Why is Kiritsugu's back-story so much better than the main plot? Wow that was a new one....How about no? |
NoobHunterD said: the past two episodes could have been easily an OVA instead these two being implemented on the TV series. The back story is cool and all but two whole episodes for a flashback is an overkill. I'm not going to hint at or spoil anything, but will simply throw out the statement that this would have been absolutely terrible. I can think of a ton of stuff that I'd have sooner cut before Kiritsugu's flashback. I wonder if he still got some of those bullets left. Kiritsugu started off with 66 origin bullets and has used 38 in total, meaning that he now has 28 remaining bullets. |
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LunarMoon said: NoobHunterD said: I wonder if he still got some of those bullets left. Kiritsugu started off with 66 origin bullets and has used 38 in total, meaning that he now has 28 remaining bullets. And only 3 targets left that should be easy,right? |
ssjokg said: LunarMoon said: NoobHunterD said: I wonder if he still got some of those bullets left. Kiritsugu started off with 66 origin bullets and has used 38 in total, meaning that he now has 28 remaining bullets. And only 3 targets left that should be easy,right? I just realized that his Origin Bullets are pretty similar to Fragarach. Both of them are pretty circumstantial even though they are very powerful when used properly. |
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ataraxial said: JoshSalas said: Why is Kiritsugu's back-story so much better than the main plot? Nice quasi-troll attempt. This episode was good, but the previous one was pretty meh, so overall Kerry's flashback arc isn't really doing it for me as much as the main plot is. ssjokg said: Wow that was a new one....How about no? I wasn't trolling haha, it's legitimately saving the series for me right now. After not really caring what happens in the main plot I found myself interested and emotionally involved for the first time. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
ataraxial said: ssjokg said: LunarMoon said: NoobHunterD said: I wonder if he still got some of those bullets left. Kiritsugu started off with 66 origin bullets and has used 38 in total, meaning that he now has 28 remaining bullets. And only 3 targets left that should be easy,right? I just realized that his Origin Bullets are pretty similar to Fragarach. Both of them are pretty circumstantial even though they are very powerful when used properly. Yeah both of them need the enemy to use his best move but I would say that Fragarach is better if you think that it can do great damage even to Servants. |
JoshSalas said: I wasn't trolling haha, it's legitimately saving the series for me right now. After not really caring what happens in the main plot I found myself interested and emotionally involved for the first time. I know what you mean and somewhat agree with you. I do love both aspects of the show but I literally started this show because of Kiritsugu. I already liked him a lot more than Shirou from the original FSN and was excited at the thought of a prequel with him as the lead (Crisis Core style). Most of us are knowledgeable of FSN and pretty much know how this is going to end. Though I do love the action and the journey there, these "revelations" are the main purpose for me as well. It wasn't dragged out either, only 2 episodes. Now the rest of the show can be dedicated to an all out physical, psychological and emotional war and the viewers who weren't completely satisfied with it before have a new perspective now and can see things from a different angle. Especially Kiritsugu's role. |
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ssjokg said: In an overall sense it is. Kiritsugu's Origin Bullets are pretty much MADE for killing magi, which is more or less one of his main jobs.ataraxial said: ssjokg said: LunarMoon said: NoobHunterD said: I wonder if he still got some of those bullets left. Kiritsugu started off with 66 origin bullets and has used 38 in total, meaning that he now has 28 remaining bullets. And only 3 targets left that should be easy,right? I just realized that his Origin Bullets are pretty similar to Fragarach. Both of them are pretty circumstantial even though they are very powerful when used properly. Yeah both of them need the enemy to use his best move but I would say that Fragarach is better if you think that it can do great damage even to Servants. |
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| so did natalia give hints to kiri to shoot down the plane or was she not expecting it? The moment before she died she looked suprised and yet some how knew he would blow it up. |
Coldbid said: She didn't ask to get blown up if you're asking that. Natalia wouldn't be so selfless, she operates on a "me first, everyone else second" motto. She smiled because in the back of her mind it was such a rational course of action for a man who operates on a "save as many people as possible with the least amount of casualties". Natalia didn't give her a very bright outloook for her situation or her hopes of containing the Ghouls and the Ghoul Bees. It literally was a clash of two different outlook.so did natalia give hints to kiri to shoot down the plane or was she not expecting it? The moment before she died she looked suprised and yet some how knew he would blow it up. |
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| here is an excerpt from the sound drama even he himself has doubts about his ideals hence his occasional breakdowns in episode 7 the only thing that was holding him together and stopping him from collapsing is the possibility of the grail granting his wish he wanted to run away with Iri and Ilya because he truly loved them but his flaw comes in and makes him unable to pick his family over his retarded ideals |
BloodRequiemMay 15, 2012 1:01 AM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: Then again, what would 1 specialized Magus (who's actually a pretty crappy standalone mage) do against the whole EInzbern family? They have a forest chock full of "failed" experimental monsters and plenty of battle homonculi. It's a nice sentiment but he couldn't have escaped Acht.here is an excerpt from the sound drama even he himself has doubts about his ideals hence his occasional breakdowns in episode 7 the only thing that was holding him together and stopping him from collapsing is the possibility of the grail granting his wish he wanted to run away with Iri and Ilya because he truly loved them but his flaw comes in and makes him unable to pick his family over his retarded ideals |
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| In my opinion, Natalia could have escaped though. She could have broke the glass in front then got out of there, then they should have blown the plane after she got out. That's what Kiritsugu looks like when he breaks down?.. looks a lot like Caster xD. Emotional episode. Now I understand why Kiritsugu doesn't even feel a thing when killing someone, he killed his father and then killed the one he treated as a mother.. there's no way you could still feel anything when killing after doing that. That's a cold-blooded killer alright. |
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notzky said: In my opinion, Natalia could have escaped though. She could have broke the glass in front then got out of there, then they should have blown the plane after she got out. That's what Kiritsugu looks like when he breaks down?.. looks a lot like Caster xD. Emotional episode. Now I understand why Kiritsugu doesn't even feel a thing when killing someone, he killed his father and then killed the one he treated as a mother.. there's no way you could still feel anything when killing after doing that. That's a cold-blooded killer alright. He always felt something here is a part from the prologue of the novel ,it's a bit long so I 'll use tags He still feels many things but I think the anime failed in showing that.For example here is the part from the novel whne he blows up the hotel Kayneth stayed. It's not that he has no feeling .He chooses to discard them in his missions but he fails most of the time. Leon-Gun said: BloodRequiem said: Then again, what would 1 specialized Magus (who's actually a pretty crappy standalone mage) do against the whole EInzbern family? They have a forest chock full of "failed" experimental monsters and plenty of battle homonculi. It's a nice sentiment but he couldn't have escaped Acht.here is an excerpt from the sound drama even he himself has doubts about his ideals hence his occasional breakdowns in episode 7 the only thing that was holding him together and stopping him from collapsing is the possibility of the grail granting his wish he wanted to run away with Iri and Ilya because he truly loved them but his flaw comes in and makes him unable to pick his family over his retarded ideals Yeah but |
ssjokgMay 15, 2012 3:06 AM
| Oh yes, he is an expert in Bounded fields so he could have infiltrated the castle. It's escaping the pursuit and Jubstacheit himself that's pretty hard. It'd be like fighting Zouken. Acht and Zouken are both on the same level of monstrosity as their humanity is not there anymore. |
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Katsuri said: Not the bees, not the bees! Exactly what I was thinking! XD |
Leon-Gun said: Oh yes, he is an expert in Bounded fields so he could have infiltrated the castle. It's escaping the pursuit and Jubstacheit himself that's pretty hard. It'd be like fighting Zouken. Acht and Zouken are both on the same level of monstrosity as their humanity is not there anymore. The Einzberns are weak combatants, which is why they hired Kiritsugu in the first place. They were specialized in alchemy but continually failed to actually kill things in the Grail Wars, so they went and hired a guy who specialized in killing magi. If any of the Einzberns were as dangerous as Kiritsugu, then his involvement would have been extraneous. Also, about Kiritsugu being a weak magus. With everything that happened to him, I think people forget that Kayneth was regarded as a genius and that against a more traditional magus such as Tokiomi, he could’ve been truly powerful. So, while Kiritsugu probably doesn’t have as much firepower as Tokiomi, he’s exceptionally good at killing magi, even elite magi. Kiritsugu made a living off of killing magi like Kayneth. |
LunarMoonMay 15, 2012 3:30 PM
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| Kiritsugu kills magi by aiming at their weaknesses. He defeated Kayneth merely because Kayneth allowed himself to be taunted. Had Kayneth not allowed his rage to take over he could have analyzed the actual effects of the bullet (the cutting of magic circuits). Instead he went on a rage because a weak magus hit him. As a magus his only actual magical expertise are bounded fields, his Emiya Crest spells (which can potentially cripple him and kill him if overused) and His limited amount of Origin Bullets. As a magi he's extremely limited, as a tactical fighter he's a beast. That's actually part of the reason he's so afraid of Kirei. If he can't read the mind of his opponent he has no chance of besting him and Kirei is like an impregnable wall who's mind is sealed off. |
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Leon-Gun said: Had Kayneth not allowed his rage to take over he could have analyzed the actual effects of the bullet (the cutting of magic circuits). Instead he went on a rage because a weak magus hit him. There was literally no way for Kayneth to infer the function of the Origin bullet before it was used on him. |
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Topgunuk69 said: Leon-Gun said: Had Kayneth not allowed his rage to take over he could have analyzed the actual effects of the bullet (the cutting of magic circuits). Instead he went on a rage because a weak magus hit him. There was literally no way for Kayneth to infer the function of the Origin bullet before it was used on him. Exactly, the first bullet Kiritsugu used was a normal bullet, not one of his Origin Bullets. Kayneth really had no chance of winning. |
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ataraxial said: The first one yeah, the second one was just him thinking "it can't happen twice, it was just a fluke". Also, if you're gonna tout him a genius magi you can at least give him a little credit that he would have infered what the first bullet did to him with some thinking (if he had not gone berserk on Kiritsugu). His Magic Circuits got messed up, and I read enough descriptions of how Magi feel their magic circuits swelling with prana (during Fate/Zero and F/SN VN) to infer that he'd notice there was something wrong with his circuits.Topgunuk69 said: Leon-Gun said: Had Kayneth not allowed his rage to take over he could have analyzed the actual effects of the bullet (the cutting of magic circuits). Instead he went on a rage because a weak magus hit him. There was literally no way for Kayneth to infer the function of the Origin bullet before it was used on him. Exactly, the first bullet Kiritsugu used was a normal bullet, not one of his Origin Bullets. Kayneth really had no chance of winning. |
Leon-GunMay 15, 2012 9:10 PM
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| The first bullet was a fluke according to Kiritsugu. He just fired it not thinking it would hit Kayneth since he cant see inside the mercury. He just wanted to show that the mercury can be penetrated so Kayneth will strengthen it next time and make the Origin Bullet more effective. Obviously the first bullet hit and Kayneth, unable to accept being shot by a gun and his defenses penetrated, will not let Kiritsugu hit him again. An effective taunt. Kayneth did not even know what destroyed his body unti Sola said it was his own Circuits malfunctioning. |
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| is it been said that the more prana the mage put in when the bullet hit, the more severe the consequence will be? The reason why Kiritsugu taunted him is that the Origin bullet will have the maximum impact when it hits. He wanted Kayneth to go all out, to ensure a swift and effective kill(well, almost). To be honest though, this kind of tactic only works on a proud mage like Kayneth, someone who will be humiliated by being hurt from a modern barbaric weapon like a gun. Tokiomi is arguable, but we haven't really seen him lose his face. Otherwise no one will be taunted as easily as that. |
Leon-Gun said: Also, if you're gonna tout him a genius magi you can at least give him a little credit that he would have infered what the first bullet did to him with some thinking (if he had not gone berserk on Kiritsugu). His Magic Circuits got messed up, and I read enough descriptions of how Magi feel their magic circuits swelling with prana (during Fate/Zero and F/SN VN) to infer that he'd notice there was something wrong with his circuits. The first bullet was a regular round, there was nothing to infer from it other than "He hit me because I wasn't going all out, better put more prana into my defence" which Kayneth did. The second round was the origin bullet which relied on the fact that Kayneth was going all out, Kayneth had no way to know about it and no reason to expect it. The fact that Kayneth was angry wasn't important really, if he'd remained calm it still would've been logical for him to put more prana into his defence because even if Kiritsugu used another regular round it might hit and kill Kayneth if it was allowed to penetrate Volumen Hydragyrum again. |
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stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? |
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ssjokg said: stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? thats cuz he yeh im certain now that this is the episode where |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
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MonadMay 16, 2012 3:42 PM
ssjokg said: That's probably because he's not using his "For Someone's Glory" Noble Phantasm which is the fog that always envelopes him during all his fights. And yes, the fog thing IS a Noble Phantasm (it makes him hard to see and impossible to corroborate his identity even through magical means).stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? |
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Leon-Gun said: ssjokg said: That's probably because he's not using his "For Someone's Glory" Noble Phantasm which is the fog that always envelopes him during all his fights. And yes, the fog thing IS a Noble Phantasm (it makes him hard to see and impossible to corroborate his identity even through magical means).stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? thats cuz he yeh im certain now that this is the episode where I re-read that part and Berserker doesnt Leon-Gun we had so many pages of discussion in the other thread. I assure you that I know his NPs very well. Also there is a red cloud or smoke behind Berserker in this pic which I doubt it's FSG.I really dont remember something like that. |
ssjokgMay 16, 2012 4:27 PM
ssjokg said: Leon-Gun said: ssjokg said: That's probably because he's not using his "For Someone's Glory" Noble Phantasm which is the fog that always envelopes him during all his fights. And yes, the fog thing IS a Noble Phantasm (it makes him hard to see and impossible to corroborate his identity even through magical means).stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? thats cuz he yeh im certain now that this is the episode where I re-read that part and Berserker doesnt Leon-Gun we had so many pages of discussion in the other thread. I assure you that I know his NPs very well. Also there is a red cloud or smoke behind Berserker in this pic which I doubt it's FSG.I really dont remember something like that. they showed maiya holding a gun so its prob taken from that part |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: Leon-Gun said: ssjokg said: That's probably because he's not using his "For Someone's Glory" Noble Phantasm which is the fog that always envelopes him during all his fights. And yes, the fog thing IS a Noble Phantasm (it makes him hard to see and impossible to corroborate his identity even through magical means).stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? thats cuz he yeh im certain now that this is the episode where I re-read that part and Berserker doesnt Leon-Gun we had so many pages of discussion in the other thread. I assure you that I know his NPs very well. Also there is a red cloud or smoke behind Berserker in this pic which I doubt it's FSG.I really dont remember something like that. they showed maiya holding a gun so its prob taken from that part But isnt that different from the LN?I mean what's the point in |
ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: Leon-Gun said: ssjokg said: That's probably because he's not using his "For Someone's Glory" Noble Phantasm which is the fog that always envelopes him during all his fights. And yes, the fog thing IS a Noble Phantasm (it makes him hard to see and impossible to corroborate his identity even through magical means).stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? thats cuz he yeh im certain now that this is the episode where I re-read that part and Berserker doesnt Leon-Gun we had so many pages of discussion in the other thread. I assure you that I know his NPs very well. Also there is a red cloud or smoke behind Berserker in this pic which I doubt it's FSG.I really dont remember something like that. they showed maiya holding a gun so its prob taken from that part But isnt that different from the LN?I mean what's the point in Actually, when I saw that image of Berserker, the first thing that came to mind is Though I didn't think they would have the time to animate that scene. And I think after that scene is when which I think was hinted in the preview. |
ssjokg said: BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: Leon-Gun said: ssjokg said: That's probably because he's not using his "For Someone's Glory" Noble Phantasm which is the fog that always envelopes him during all his fights. And yes, the fog thing IS a Noble Phantasm (it makes him hard to see and impossible to corroborate his identity even through magical means).stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: stAtic91 said: Next episode preview pictures: is it me or Berserker looks less cg in this pic? thats cuz he yeh im certain now that this is the episode where I re-read that part and Berserker doesnt Leon-Gun we had so many pages of discussion in the other thread. I assure you that I know his NPs very well. Also there is a red cloud or smoke behind Berserker in this pic which I doubt it's FSG.I really dont remember something like that. they showed maiya holding a gun so its prob taken from that part But isnt that different from the LN?I mean what's the point in what i meant was that maiya thing was probably the hint at being the same episode where |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
sallym613 said: Actually, when I saw that image of Berserker, the first thing that came to mind is Though I didn't think they would have the time to animate that scene. And I think after that scene is when which I think was hinted in the preview. how the fuck did I forget that |
ssjokg said: sallym613 said: Actually, when I saw that image of Berserker, the first thing that came to mind is Though I didn't think they would have the time to animate that scene. And I think after that scene is when which I think was hinted in the preview. how the fuck did I forget that that shoulda been included long time ago so we prob all thought it was scrapped |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| @ ssjokg: Lol it's okay you're not the only one. Even though I read the LN at least a few times, I almost forgot about this scene until I just re-read that part recently. @ BloodRequiem: Hmm mm. That scene was at the end of volume 3. Though Ufotable has already shifted the sequence of scenes a couple of times. It's possible that they might show it in the TV cut version. Regardless, I think they'll definitely add it in the uncut BD version. There are only 6 episodes left. I hope they don't cram too much in the upcoming episodes :X Though I guess it shouldnt matter as long as they add in the missing scenes in the uncut BD (which is what I'm basing my score on anyways...) |
| Absolutely loving this series. These two flashback episodes have really fleshed out Kiritsugu, and made him (arguably) the most fascinating character in the series. The show did a great job getting across a ton of emotional drama for Kiritsugu and Natalia without having to explain everything to us. Excellent storytelling. |
Cholisose said: Your comment restored a little hope in me after so many comments completely bashing this two episodes (probably because OMGBBQ NO KIREI/GIL/RIDER !) even though they were completely necessary. In fact, most people should have expected Kiritsugu backstory after his role started to increase (erradicating two masters over the course of a single night without having to break a sweat and his icy breakup with Saber) and Kirei's own scalation in importance should have also given it a few flags since from the very start of the series Kirei and Kiritsugu have been both interested and wary of one another and both's importance seemingly escalated at an equal pace.Absolutely loving this series. These two flashback episodes have really fleshed out Kiritsugu, and made him (arguably) the most fascinating character in the series. The show did a great job getting across a ton of emotional drama for Kiritsugu and Natalia without having to explain everything to us. Excellent storytelling. |
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| =( I missed all the interesting discussion. Great episode. Much better than the last. Although it's been repeated ad nauseum in this thread - and all over the internet - thinking of viable escape methods for Natalia is, in my opinion, the incorrect way of looking at this episode. Was there a way out? Who knows. Probably not, as most have pointed out already in painstaking detail. If we step into Kiritsugu's shoes, however, it's perfectly clear. Was there a 1% chance that the bees would escape? Yes. So, there you go; Kiritsugu would never repeat the "mistake" he made with Shirley. Narrow-minded and idealistic, maybe, especially when you have to force yourself to treat a loved one like any other person, and ultimately sacrifice said loved one, but that's how it is. Anyway, I'm just saying, look at it from a character perspective. It will save you a lot of frustration. =) The breakdown was a nice touch, by the way. Really sad. All that being said, I still hold to the opinion that the flashback should have taken place directly after the Lancer episode. But, whatever. In any case, I'm looking forward to getting back to the Holy Grail War. |
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