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Westlo said: pcube19622 said: lol that was an epic "oh ranka left, guess ill take sheryl then".... lol You do know the Ranka forfeited because she knew that Alto didn't love her right? I will not say more than I AGREE! |
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angel999 said: Westlo said: pcube19622 said: lol that was an epic "oh ranka left, guess ill take sheryl then".... lol You do know the Ranka forfeited because she knew that Alto didn't love her right? I will not say more than I AGREE! then I will say more ;D that was very well phrased@!! hell yeah I agree!! |
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sakuko said: I will not be happy until I see Ranka dead. Brera also dead would make be ecstatic. I prefer Brera kill Ranka and he kill himself afterward |
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kaminakun said: sakuko said: I will not be happy until I see Ranka dead. Brera also dead would make be ecstatic. I prefer Brera kill Ranka and he kill himself afterward I LOVE YOU MAN! THIS IS PERFECT..PERFECT! Must be like that! |
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angel999 said: kisami said: lol wow and everyone flamed ranka for what she did. alto just 'settled' for sheryl. he should just die for that. Why? Ranka is with something that killed Michael should she not die with that thing for even thinking of siding with it??? alto is weak. Michael died as most people do durring battle. nothing unnatural about that. also they havent really explained why the monsters keep attacking anyway, nor do we even know ranka's past etc... alto couldnt choose between two girls and when one disapeared, he picked the one that was nearest. he clearly doesnt know why he does what he does. given the story behind the macross universe, the perception of your would be "enemy" may change depending on how things unfold. not too long ago, humans had an "enemy" of whom they now work side by side. an anemy that was based on fear, and misunderstandings. from my point of view, alto should die. well not becaus hes a bad guy, but becuase he doesnt seem to serve any purpose anymore. hes as good as dead weight. unfortunately, this being the story that it is, that may very well not happen. sheryl will probably die in some sort of confrotation between ranka and alto.... |
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kisami said: unfortunately, this being the story that it is, that may very well not happen. sheryl will probably die in some sort of confrotation between ranka and alto.... if there's really no way of saving Sheryl's life, then I guess giving her a death that'll make everyone remember her forever would be a "nice" (I shouldn't say nice...it hurts me typing that in) way to end her life |
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kaminakun said: kisami said: unfortunately, this being the story that it is, that may very well not happen. sheryl will probably die in some sort of confrotation between ranka and alto.... if there's really no way of saving Sheryl's life, then I guess giving her a death that'll make everyone remember her forever would be a "nice" (I shouldn't say nice...it hurts me typing that in) way to end her life that's be too expected, id rather see them take a big risk and kill her off in some original way, instead of rlying on cheap dramatizations. |
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kisami said: angel999 said: kisami said: lol wow and everyone flamed ranka for what she did. alto just 'settled' for sheryl. he should just die for that. Why? Ranka is with something that killed Michael should she not die with that thing for even thinking of siding with it??? alto is weak. Michael died as most people do durring battle. nothing unnatural about that. also they havent really explained why the monsters keep attacking anyway, nor do we even know ranka's past etc... alto couldnt choose between two girls and when one disapeared, he picked the one that was nearest. he clearly doesnt know why he does what he does. given the story behind the macross universe, the perception of your would be "enemy" may change depending on how things unfold. not too long ago, humans had an "enemy" of whom they now work side by side. an anemy that was based on fear, and misunderstandings. from my point of view, alto should die. well not becaus hes a bad guy, but becuase he doesnt seem to serve any purpose anymore. hes as good as dead weight. unfortunately, this being the story that it is, that may very well not happen. sheryl will probably die in some sort of confrotation between ranka and alto.... Yeah you are right about the Macross universe thing just one thing, those enemies looked like human type and also had human DNA. The Vajras have nothing of that kind and I do not believe them to be stable enough. Ai is certainly WAY NOT ENOUGH as proof that these beings are safe. I would not lose my time to domesticate them but eliminate them, though the best would be to reproduce our own way and kill them off. Afterwards collect the fold quartz. I do not want Sheryl to die and I BELIEVE IN MIRACLES! |
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Katze said: Sheryl? There is no humility in her - she was filthy homeless girl, who should be thankful as hell, that she got simply everything. But nooooo! When her past was far, far away, she became something like great, invincible Sheryl Nome! Self-important superstar and 'number one chick'. Ha! And here's a surprise for ya! She's mortal, she's going to die soon, and I'll dance on her grave. Mature, yeah right. She's mental underager. She fought for Alto only because she had Ranka as a competitor - people, she was fully aware of Ranka's crush on Alto. And now she's so 'in love', because she had fully comprehended, that she's dying and have no-one, aaaand she needs anybody to be with her. I have no respect for her, cause she don't deserve for it. Alto is a typical male - he have some bonds both with Ranka and Sheryl, but he have no idea, what kind of a bonds they are - is it friendship only, sibling love or kind of romantic feelings? When little star had watery eyes, he comforted her, when Ranka was upset... Analogically. pendragon said: True. She had no idea, what was going on, and yet, she still helped to exterminate the Vajra. Remember, that she felt pain, when they were dying. She's undoubtedly linked in some way with them and don't want to let them die, but also she cares about the people on the Frontier.but then i find it hard to believe that ranka is evil. Kay, next mysteries will be revealed with the 23rd episode, so we have to wait. If Ranka is a traitor, than she'll bring the Vajra to the Frontier for dinner - in what I don't believe at all... ;> Let just counter argument about Sheryl: YOU SHOULD KNOW that people that are sick ARE PRONE to system confusion. Thus, Sheryl was and is confused since the beginning of this anime. She tries her best while being SICK! SO PLEASE no compare to Ranka cause she does way better than RANKA AND SHE IS SICK ALSO! Besides Leon told her something about another possible cure. |
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M_A said: kaminakun said: kisami said: unfortunately, this being the story that it is, that may very well not happen. sheryl will probably die in some sort of confrotation between ranka and alto.... if there's really no way of saving Sheryl's life, then I guess giving her a death that'll make everyone remember her forever would be a "nice" (I shouldn't say nice...it hurts me typing that in) way to end her life that's be too expected, id rather see them take a big risk and kill her off in some original way, instead of rlying on cheap dramatizations. I would prefer: GOD, MIRACLE AND SHERYL BEING CURED! |
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angel999 said: I would prefer: GOD, MIRACLE AND SHERYL BEING CURED! You mean like a "Oh crap... you know what? I had this cure, it was lying around and... oh boy is my face red... I mean, I cured this thing two weeks ago and just, you know, kind of forgot with the whole invasion thing and constant live concerts... well, anyways... here you go. You should be better in 10 minutes. Enjoy the rest of your life with your significant other"... type of thing? |
sakuko said: angel999 said: I would prefer: GOD, MIRACLE AND SHERYL BEING CURED! You mean like a "Oh crap... you know what? I had this cure, it was lying around and... oh boy is my face red... I mean, I cured this thing two weeks ago and just, you know, kind of forgot with the whole invasion thing and constant live concerts... well, anyways... here you go. You should be better in 10 minutes. Enjoy the rest of your life with your significant other"... type of thing? Well yeah sorta of but not like that. Anyways, did not Leon say something like that to her, just that she refused such a method? |
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Katze said: "angel999" said: So you imply, that the whole Ranka-Alto-Sheryl situation is a result of Sheryl's confusedness, and she does not love Alto, her feelings are just side effect of her illnes? And we should praise her, because of that?YOU SHOULD KNOW that people that are sick ARE PRONE to system confusion. Thus, Sheryl was and is confused since the beginning of this anime. She tries her best while being SICK! Anyway, I think, that we have no rationales, on which we could think, that this infection make her prone to any kind of confusion. She's fully aware of her own actions and feelings, also she saw Alto's behavior towards Ranka. She did everything on purpose. "kisami" said: Exactly. Commitment of both girls flatters him, so he (subconsciously?) feels obliged not to harm Ranka nor Sheryl, making them both envious of each other.alto couldnt choose between two girls and when one disapeared, he picked the one that was nearest. he clearly doesnt know why he does what he does. "angel999" said: I don't remember such thing... Maybe you're talking about this 'new possibility' - fold waves from Sheryl's voice? It was Luca, who said something like 'If it's caught early, it can be cured with a serum produced from the Vajra. However, if that period passes the bacteria takes root in the brain and begins to produce a toxin. Once that happens, there's nothing that can be done. (...) But once that point is reached, a new possibility opens up. [Bad-haircut-guy]: Your voice now produces faint fold waves." Nothing about the miraculous cure, but before she die, she can help in fight against the Vajra.did not Leon say something like that to her, just that she refused such a method? About this: ""So you imply, that the whole Ranka-Alto-Sheryl situation is a result of Sheryl's confusedness, and she does not love Alto, her feelings are just side effect of her illnes? And we should praise her, because of that? Anyway, I think, that we have no rationales, on which we could think, that this infection make her prone to any kind of confusion. She's fully aware of her own actions and feelings, also she saw Alto's behavior towards Ranka. She did everything on purpose."" I do not imply all these things you said but since you say yourself that the virus produces toxins in the brain then a chemical disbalances it absolute! This her feelings might be mixed up. Often it is said many of those people pretend to the best in life until someone like Ranka shows up that is a healthy person and takes over. Considering Ranka had similar powers of SINGING as Sheryl but was in better shape thus she surpassed Sheryl and yielded great results however Sheryl struggles way more than Ranka THAT IS WHY RANKA IS A TRAITOR AND I WILL NOT CHANGE MY THINKING. She went with Vajra and Sheryl would never do that first of all. I ADMIRE SHERYL BECAUSE SHE GIVES OUT MORE EFFORT THAN ANYONE WHO IS NOT SICK! |
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M_A said: it would be cheap if cheryl survived. just because i am a cheryl fan doesnt mean i want the creators to make amateur story decisions. A SHERYL fan should at least spell her name properly :) |
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Katze said: "angel999" said: Are you sure, that she had to make an extra effort, when she was taking her medicines? It was something like morphine.I ADMIRE SHERYL BECAUSE SHE GIVES OUT MORE EFFORT THAN ANYONE WHO IS NOT SICK! I think what angel means is that Sheryl has the "will" to sing more than most people |
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kaminakun said: Katze said: "angel999" said: Are you sure, that she had to make an extra effort, when she was taking her medicines? It was something like morphine.I ADMIRE SHERYL BECAUSE SHE GIVES OUT MORE EFFORT THAN ANYONE WHO IS NOT SICK! I think what angel means is that Sheryl has the "will" to sing more than most people I will be even clearer. I meant her devotion and thus her will are stronger. I don't want to get into mumbo jimbo science explanation but people who are sick but have a urge to go beyond themselves (STRONG WILL) have better results than people like Ranka who are motivated by Trauma and near death experience. Sheryl is motivated not only by her disease but also by HER PAST (Trauma and near death experience both are included in her setup). So SCREW YOU RANKA CAUSE SHERYL WENT THROUGH WAY MORE PROBLEMS THAN YOU! I DARE SOMEONE TO CHALLENGE THE ABOVE. |
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| I agree!! Screw Ranka and her green bunny hair! |
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Katze said: "angel999" said: So what? I agree with that 'sick people's effort' theory, but still, disease hasn't learned Sheryl any humility. She sings because she wants to be treated as an idol. Ranka is shy, and she sings, because she loves to, not because she wants to be a star. Remember her at the miss frontier (or what that was) contest, or at the premiere? Worship is not what she longs for.SHERYL WENT THROUGH WAY MORE PROBLEMS Oh, and don't be so sure, you have no idea about Ranka's past, maybe SHE went through way more problems than Sheryl? ;> Kay, just chaffing. ;) Anyway, (so popular lately) why so serious? ;> Sings because she loves too...I think it's more cause she can help people....to sing and love that singing is a mandatory mentality so that you actually have the will to sing. In other words both Sheryl and Ranka had that motivation so I am sorry but that does not compare since both sides had these feelings about the song. The only difference is the mentality of each that made have different consequences. About worship...one you get famous, you get used to it but whether you embrace or not is up to you. A philosophy about choices and worship. Why not be serious? After it is way more fun in anime than real life considering some us get into violent and pathetic situation due to our seriousness. So YEAH LET'S GET SERIOUS WITH ANIME WHILE WE CAN! |
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angel999 said: So YEAH LET'S GET SERIOUS WITH ANIME WHILE WE CAN! calm yourself ;D |
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kaminakun said: M_A said: it would be cheap if cheryl survived. just because i am a cheryl fan doesnt mean i want the creators to make amateur story decisions. A SHERYL fan should at least spell her name properly :) i dont care enough. im a sheyl fan because i hate ranka, not really because i think she is that good of a character. |
| Wow. Alto has (supposedly) kissed Sheryl ! Yay ^^ The situation is a bit weird now. It's not by fighting each other they'll find a way to save themselves... |
| I admire Sheryl because of her strenght and I (strangely) didnt hate their kiss. This is the first time that i actually like both female leads,cause they are not weak (except when Ranka said she wanted to die -___-*). So I expect that at the end Ranka and Sheryl will be awesome characters... such as Alto. Yeah |
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| Once again Alto is unable to chose anything and just lets others decide for himself. When you can't chose the girl you're going to go for and which side you're going to join (SMS or Frontier Government), you're just a hell of a bad character... I don't understand why the scenarists still put so much defects on their main character, he's a pure retarded teenager since the first episode. Oh and Sheryl annoys me more and more, even if I understand her pain and will to sing, it's a little bit overboard sometimes and this characters just feels really antipathic to me. Well, the plot doesn't really go her way on top of that, I guess she's a bit unlucky :) Appart from that, the ending of the episode was wonderfully directed, and that's a real pleasure to watch a show with so much budget and such a great animation/music, it's really entertaining even if the scenario and characters often fail to impress. |
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| GAR Ozma is GAR. Everything else was...Macross-y. Who'da thunk that singing is serious business? (hint: it always is). And...is that...Earth? and, no, VF-171EX will NOT surpass VF-25, or 27, for that matter, Armored Pack or not. |
LAH-Foton said: GAR Ozma is GAR. Everything else was...Macross-y. Who'da thunk that singing is serious business? (hint: it always is). And...is that...Earth? and, no, VF-171EX will NOT surpass VF-25, or 27, for that matter, Armored Pack or not. Why would it not? VF-171 is superior in all aspects! Unless you put the Armor pack of same type of power or the weaponry is upgraded then no VF-25 is gone. I do APPRECIATE YOU LIKING THE VF-25 cause ME TOO I like but VF-25 has to have the new stuff then I say it is better than the VF-171. |
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| I lol'd hard at grace randomly groping herself. Luca's level of irritating me seems to grow with every episode lately as well. |
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| Righto it took me some time to finally watch the new episode, and I ain't dissapointed in it. It was great, SMS going pirate, those who choose to stay behind going NUNS, a stupid talk-battle puh, Sheryl and Alto coming a bit closer without of course Alto actually voicing anything substantial concerning their relationships. (I suppose the biggest hint we got wash im staying behind for her sake, since he wants to be 'besides' here till the end.) Some planet gets discovered, wow, great, I hope I find out just how important it is. Grace should honestly die permanently in the end, i hate her always resurrecting, this time in a more android-like body. |
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angel999 said: LAH-Foton said: and, no, VF-171EX will NOT surpass VF-25, or 27, for that matter, Armored Pack or not. Why would it not? VF-171 is superior in all aspects! Unless you put the Armor pack of same type of power or the weaponry is upgraded then no VF-25 is gone. When you look at it, VF-171 is based off of an outdated frame, the VF-17. It has been superseded by VF-19, and its prototypes, YF-19 and YF-21. And now, VF-25 came along, and then, VF-27 made headlines too. In terms of technological advancement, it's easy to see who can come up on top. However, I must retract my statement about armor packs, since VF-25 is very customizable with its packs, but that's it. Without 'em, they're very vulnerable, and not a very good atmospheric fighter. VF-171 at least had an internal missile payload while VF-25 stakes it all on its Super/Armored Pack. |
LAH-Foton said: angel999 said: LAH-Foton said: and, no, VF-171EX will NOT surpass VF-25, or 27, for that matter, Armored Pack or not. Why would it not? VF-171 is superior in all aspects! Unless you put the Armor pack of same type of power or the weaponry is upgraded then no VF-25 is gone. When you look at it, VF-171 is based off of an outdated frame, the VF-17. It has been superseded by VF-19, and its prototypes, YF-19 and YF-21. And now, VF-25 came along, and then, VF-27 made headlines too. In terms of technological advancement, it's easy to see who can come up on top. However, I must retract my statement about armor packs, since VF-25 is very customizable with its packs, but that's it. Without 'em, they're very vulnerable, and not a very good atmospheric fighter. VF-171 at least had an internal missile payload while VF-25 stakes it all on its Super/Armored Pack. So what is the difference exactly between YFs and VF? Yeah the outdated frame may be a problem but I wonder if in terms of armament that can make up for it in the VF-171. |
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angel999 said: So what is the difference exactly between YFs and VF? Yeah the outdated frame may be a problem but I wonder if in terms of armament that can make up for it in the VF-171. In modern air force terms, especially deriving from US designations, YF denotes Fighter, pre-production test type, while XF denotes fighter, experimental type. VFs, within Macross universe, stands for Variable Fighters. |
| That was intense. Probably on of the best episodes of this so far, and definitely one of the better ones I've seen overall. I wonder if Alto had sex with Sheryl. Seemed like it. |
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Veronin said: That was intense. Probably on of the best episodes of this so far, and definitely one of the better ones I've seen overall. I wonder if Alto had sex with Sheryl. Seemed like it. I would not be so sure about this. There was a talk earlier about this that it can transmit like the AIDS virus. |
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| Interesting development, another pretty intense and enjoyable episode. The finale should be nothing less than awesome. |
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| Alto is confused XD, lol. |
| I am not happy, not happy at all. OK, that's not entirely true, I like the anime and I like the story, but a couple of things bother me a lot. 1. Alto is such an annoying character I can no longer stand him. At first i thought he was going to change, but fuck it, he is as whinie as ever. So indecisive and stupid. 2. The pairing. But that's just personal preference with which almost no one agrees. |
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