DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- SUBS ARE IN. My Lord, everyone is going crazy! Alto VS Ozma!? O_O Nuts! They almost kill each other too just that Ozma was smart enough to damage Alto at the right place. During this battle TWO THUMBS UP for the good mix with Sheryl's singing of Diamond Crevasse! DAMN YOU GRACE! People tried to kill her and she SURVIVES! CURSE YOU TO HELL! Plus she gets all perverted at the end! I HAVE OTHER SAD DEVELOPMENT earth (if that planet is our earth) is INFESTED IF NOT SURROUNDED BY VAJRAS HIVES. Pretty sure that ring has hives in it. GOOD BYE TO THE SMS CARRIER. Seems someone decided to do things on its own...MR GLASS YOU WILL BE AVENGED AFTER ALL! IT LEFT THE COLONY! Good scenes but most of ALL the intimate with Alto and Sheryl was VERY HEART WARMING I MUST SAY. No kiss though...damn! Oh well. I HATED to see the rubles of the city. It was really well done. MY POINT IS THE ACTUAL AFTERMATH IN WARS NOW. I just had military experiences so I guess I am writing this cause the scene made me think of how bad the war is when we all enjoy ourselves at home safely. Just personal thoughts. The Valkyries have new LASER WEAPONS, which pierce through the armor--->FINALLY SOMETHING TO KILL VAJRA AGAIN! On top of that their missiles might have fragments of FOLD QUARTZ in them to pierce through the Vajra armor also. |
angel999Nov 3, 2008 1:50 PM
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
| where did you watch the RAW!?!? I can't even find it!! nvm found it |
KaminaKaiSep 4, 2008 5:24 PM
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| WHAT? i thought alto damaged ozma's VF!!!! that princess is growing up nicely methinks ALTO X SHERYL FOR ETERNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i bet they did it. how else can sheryl change into that kimono? just my perverted fantasy i dont think alto would ever have the guts to initiate a kiss MARRY HER BEFORE SHE DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
pendragon said: WHAT? i thought alto damaged ozma's VF!!!! that princess is growing up nicely methinks ALTO X SHERYL FOR ETERNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i bet they did it. how else can sheryl change into that kimono? just my perverted fantasy i dont think alto would ever have the guts to initiate a kiss MARRY HER BEFORE SHE DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know I was thinking about that too in a way but come to think about it would you do it even if you knew that you could catch the Type V virus? They never said how it transmits other than by wound. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
kaminakun said: where did you watch the RAW!?!? I can't even find it!! nvm found it Now you should be able to find else google it somehow. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
angel999 said: kaminakun said: where did you watch the RAW!?!? I can't even find it!! nvm found it Now you should be able to find else google it somehow. Forget it then |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
angel999 said: pendragon said: WHAT? i thought alto damaged ozma's VF!!!! that princess is growing up nicely methinks ALTO X SHERYL FOR ETERNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i bet they did it. how else can sheryl change into that kimono? just my perverted fantasy i dont think alto would ever have the guts to initiate a kiss MARRY HER BEFORE SHE DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know I was thinking about that too in a way but come to think about it would you do it even if you knew that you could catch the Type V virus? They never said how it transmits other than by wound. for someone like alto, who knows. they kissed before and nothing happend. im sure sharing bodily fluids wont do much harm. again, this is macross. |
| does anyone know why Alto betrayed SMS? is it because he was tricked to believe that Macross Frontier has the technology to heal Sheryl or at least keep her alive? |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
kaminakun said: does anyone know why Alto betrayed SMS? is it because he was tricked to believe that Macross Frontier has the technology to heal Sheryl or at least keep her alive? he didn't betray SMS from how i take it, they didnt want Klan, Alto and Luca to be involved and they joined the NUNS(?) |
pendragon said: kaminakun said: does anyone know why Alto betrayed SMS? is it because he was tricked to believe that Macross Frontier has the technology to heal Sheryl or at least keep her alive? he didn't betray SMS from how i take it, they didnt want Klan, Alto and Luca to be involved and they joined the NUNS(?) Yeah I sorta felt that too but I think it's more cause why would he get attacked by Ozma...don't tell it's just because of a misunderstanding or someone opened fire on the other first. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
| dang...and I thought Alto was doing it for Sheryl's sake... |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
kaminakun said: dang...and I thought Alto was doing it for Sheryl's sake... Even so Ozma attacking him because he interferes but wait he interferes because of love towards Sheryl? That does not make sense. If he loves Sheryl should he not find a cure for her problem or kill off juicy Vajras??? |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
| Alto and Sheryl kissed, please look at 16:10 on the horrible raws version. I really don't know how people missed the kiss scene, it was rather obvious considering the way Alto was holding Sheryl's head, how Alto's head titled as the camera started to pan up and both their heads moved towards each other.... No confession from either of the two atm btw... you know it's coming... |
Westlo said: Alto and Sheryl kissed, please look at 16:10 on the horrible raws version. I really don't know how people missed the kiss scene, it was rather obvious considering the way Alto was holding Sheryl's head, how Alto's head titled as the camera started to pan up and both their heads moved towards each other.... No confession from either of the two atm btw... you know it's coming... You are right but they seem to skip it rather quickly. They really skip it fast you have to check carefully. Alto not only kissed her BUT TEARS WERE FLOWING FROM HER AT SAME TIME. Sheryl IS IN PAIN! For the first time I really can relate to how painful it must be not to be anymore on this drugs and having 100% of pain dealings. I don't see her taking the pills anymore anyhow. THANKS FOR THE INFO BUDDY. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
Westlo said: Alto and Sheryl kissed, please look at 16:10 on the horrible raws version. I really don't know how people missed the kiss scene, it was rather obvious considering the way Alto was holding Sheryl's head, how Alto's head titled as the camera started to pan up and both their heads moved towards each other.... No confession from either of the two atm btw... you know it's coming... didnt that already happen when the shots turn to the moon o well. |
angel999 said: Sheryl IS IN PAIN! For the first time I really can relate to how painful it must be not to be anymore on this drugs and having 100% of pain dealings. I don't see her taking the pills anymore anyhow. It was more emotional pain than physical since she can't be with the man she loves because she's dying. Also it seems they did more than kiss going by this pic, lol @ the crazy chinese forum goers for finding this. http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/ep/022/22002.jpg Look underneath his jacket, looks like Sheryl's top. |
Westlo said: angel999 said: Sheryl IS IN PAIN! For the first time I really can relate to how painful it must be not to be anymore on this drugs and having 100% of pain dealings. I don't see her taking the pills anymore anyhow. It was more emotional pain than physical since she can't be with the man she loves because she's dying. Also it seems they did more than kiss going by this pic, lol @ the crazy chinese forum goers for finding this. http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/ep/022/22002.jpg Look underneath his jacket, looks like Sheryl's top. I really do not get it. I look at the pic and still see nothing of the ordinary. Sheryl's top? I don't really see it. Someone explain further based on this picture but just the way it is shown...shows not much t be honest. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
| I couldn't wait for the subbed version by gg so I just downloaded the raw. Boy, was that a good choice. this episode invoke a grin on me like I've never grinned before. that moment with her and Alto was one I've been waiting for. albeit it will be bittersweet in hindsight after a couple of episodes because of Sheryl's condition. But overall, I like Sheryl even more because she's a fighter, not wallowing in despair and running away like that girl that will not be named. >_> that battle between Alto and Ozma was actually a nice touch. that conversation between them about making a choice would open up for significant character development on Alto's part. 5/5 for the episode. =D |
    |
angel999 said: Westlo said: angel999 said: Sheryl IS IN PAIN! For the first time I really can relate to how painful it must be not to be anymore on this drugs and having 100% of pain dealings. I don't see her taking the pills anymore anyhow. It was more emotional pain than physical since she can't be with the man she loves because she's dying. Also it seems they did more than kiss going by this pic, lol @ the crazy chinese forum goers for finding this. http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/ep/022/22002.jpg Look underneath his jacket, looks like Sheryl's top. I really do not get it. I look at the pic and still see nothing of the ordinary. Sheryl's top? I don't really see it. Someone explain further based on this picture but just the way it is shown...shows not much t be honest. I don't see Sheryl's top either >< |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
Best scene of the episode!? |
 |
Wasabi said: Best scene of the episode!? I could not care less since I want her dead and besides that she killed so many that tried to kill her but wait that's not all...she is machine and I don't touch non human things unless they have not killed anyone. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
angel999 said: During this battle TWO THUMBS UP for the good mix with Sheryl's singing of Diamond Crevasse! GOOD BYE TO THE SMS CARRIER. She wasn't singing Diamond Crevasse. She was singing Northern Cross. And the 'SMS carrier' is Macross Quarter. |
|
Wasabi said: angel999 said: During this battle TWO THUMBS UP for the good mix with Sheryl's singing of Diamond Crevasse! GOOD BYE TO THE SMS CARRIER. She wasn't singing Diamond Crevasse. She was singing Northern Cross. And the 'SMS carrier' is Macross Quarter. My bad and what about the Macross Quarter??? The SMS carrier none the less detached itself and went on to its objective but I have yet to see the subbed version. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
pendragon said: it's transferred through blood AND body fluids. so i don't think they would have had sex...(referring to pic of alto supposedly having sheryl's shirt on, which i don't see either)angel999 said: pendragon said: WHAT? i thought alto damaged ozma's VF!!!! that princess is growing up nicely methinks ALTO X SHERYL FOR ETERNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i bet they did it. how else can sheryl change into that kimono? just my perverted fantasy i dont think alto would ever have the guts to initiate a kiss MARRY HER BEFORE SHE DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know I was thinking about that too in a way but come to think about it would you do it even if you knew that you could catch the Type V virus? They never said how it transmits other than by wound. for someone like alto, who knows. they kissed before and nothing happend. im sure sharing bodily fluids wont do much harm. again, this is macross. good ep, i was surprised that the vajra's planet looks like earth. |
| Looks like they are setting this up for a second season? unless they plan to end it all with 3 eps to go. Yeh the end bit was weird and great at the same time *squeeze* |
 |
| Hmmm, seems like alto finally gonna make up his mind on what to do....and uhhh...Grace looked hot in that suit....O.o... |
 |
| ok im confused....was that earth or not? |
| lol not earth, when did earth have 3 moons! and a ring. |
|
windy said: pendragon said: it's transferred through blood AND body fluids. so i don't think they would have had sex...(referring to pic of alto supposedly having sheryl's shirt on, which i don't see either)angel999 said: pendragon said: WHAT? i thought alto damaged ozma's VF!!!! that princess is growing up nicely methinks ALTO X SHERYL FOR ETERNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i bet they did it. how else can sheryl change into that kimono? just my perverted fantasy i dont think alto would ever have the guts to initiate a kiss MARRY HER BEFORE SHE DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know I was thinking about that too in a way but come to think about it would you do it even if you knew that you could catch the Type V virus? They never said how it transmits other than by wound. for someone like alto, who knows. they kissed before and nothing happend. im sure sharing bodily fluids wont do much harm. again, this is macross. good ep, i was surprised that the vajra's planet looks like earth. Surprised about that earth? Don't be after all this survival thing makes more sense now cause should we eliminated 100% of the Vajras..then the planet can be ours! Of course opting to destroy their planet to get rid of their race is another path I am thinking about but that would be a much darker one. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
| Its was a pretty awesome episode, I might have to second the coming of a second season though... |
| a 2nd season? ONLY if they include Sheryl in there I can't stand Ranka X Alto |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
Nezerchin said: Its was a pretty awesome episode, I might have to second the coming of a second season though... The rumours say that this the last season of the epic they make...so I am not sure if they A) will do another season and B) if they do how will they approach it. If you ASK ME....THEY SHOULD A MOVIE AFTER THIS!!!! ^_^ EVERYBODY.....WE WANT A MOVIE AFTER THIS! My suggested title: MACROSS FRONTIER "AFTERMATH" 2075 AD or something like that. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
| I won't say I want anything yet until I see the ending |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
kaminakun said: I won't say I want anything yet until I see the ending I'll agree to this. I'm still not sure as to why Alto decided to stay with Frontier instead of go with the SMS, whether it be just because Sheryl is still with Frontier or not. |
 |
kaminakun said: angel999 said: Westlo said: angel999 said: Sheryl IS IN PAIN! For the first time I really can relate to how painful it must be not to be anymore on this drugs and having 100% of pain dealings. I don't see her taking the pills anymore anyhow. It was more emotional pain than physical since she can't be with the man she loves because she's dying. Also it seems they did more than kiss going by this pic, lol @ the crazy chinese forum goers for finding this. http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/ep/022/22002.jpg Look underneath his jacket, looks like Sheryl's top. I really do not get it. I look at the pic and still see nothing of the ordinary. Sheryl's top? I don't really see it. Someone explain further based on this picture but just the way it is shown...shows not much t be honest. I don't see Sheryl's top either >< Why would alto be wearing sheryl's top? |
| Finally saw the subbed version! My thoughts exactly about the missiles. INfused with fold quartz but too late to have been produced! Couple of extra comments that might prove useful to all. The planet of the Vajra has been confirmed as that resembling close to earth but the thing that bothers me is why would they make a ring of asteroids around the planet? I am guessing to have similar protection like us we have in our galaxy. Grace refered to the true queen on the planet. SINCE RANKA IS LITTLE QUEEN...her MOTHER is on the PLANET? I also have a feeling that we are going to be dealing with some NEOATLANTIS PRIESTESSES of whom we saw glimpses of in episode 16 or 17 of how they looked like. Now we can assume they know how to control the Vajras but I only assume. By the way I WAS RIGHT ABOUT RANKA BEING A TRAITOR! Luca even admits it! I OFFICIALLY DECLARE that I am on side of the NUNS with the Captain and I GUESS THAT MAKES A SPACE PIRATE! ^_^ Well like Ozma said...I would prefer not to fight for a PIECE OS SHIT ASS PRESIDENT WHO KILLS TO GET POWER! DIE LEON AND GRACE NAZI SCUM BAGS WHO LICK DEMON ASSES! The VF-171 EX ARE AMAZING FIGHTERS! So now they have new bullets/cannons, missiles with the fold quartz shards+another type of missile of standard missile (I saw some that red bands and another that had yellow one) and certain configurations changed. I do want to commend on the battles, as usual the team did a good depiction of them but Luca was showing improvements most...Alto, just seemed quicker and precise not much more. Seems Grace is using Ranka to get to the planet. One last note, I WONDER WHICH PATH ALTO WILL TAKE NEXT? One to fight for Sheryl or one towards total destruction with Klan???? Hmmmm we shall see indeed in #23. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
angel999 said: Finally saw the subbed version! My thoughts exactly about the missiles. INfused with fold quartz but too late to have been produced! Couple of extra comments that might prove useful to all. The planet of the Vajra has been confirmed as that resembling close to earth but the thing that bothers me is why would they make a ring of asteroids around the planet? I am guessing to have similar protection like us we have in our galaxy. Grace refered to the true queen on the planet. SINCE RANKA IS LITTLE QUEEN...her MOTHER is on the PLANET? I also have a feeling that we are going to be dealing with some NEOATLANTIS PRIESTESSES of whom we saw glimpses of in episode 16 or 17 of how they looked like. Now we can assume they know how to control the Vajras but I only assume. By the way I WAS RIGHT ABOUT RANKA BEING A TRAITOR! Luca even admits it! I OFFICIALLY DECLARE that I am on side of the NUNS with the Captain and I GUESS THAT MAKES A SPACE PIRATE! ^_^ Well like Ozma said...I would prefer not to fight for a PIECE OS SHIT ASS PRESIDENT WHO KILLS TO GET POWER! DIE LEON AND GRACE NAZI SCUM BAGS WHO LICK DEMON ASSES! The VF-171 EX ARE AMAZING FIGHTERS! So now they have new bullets/cannons, missiles with the fold quartz shards+another type of missile of standard missile (I saw some that red bands and another that had yellow one) and certain configurations changed. I do want to commend on the battles, as usual the team did a good depiction of them but Luca was showing improvements most...Alto, just seemed quicker and precise not much more. Seems Grace is using Ranka to get to the planet. One last note, I WONDER WHICH PATH ALTO WILL TAKE NEXT? One to fight for Sheryl or one towards total destruction with Klan???? Hmmmm we shall see indeed in #23. i suppose alto wud side with sheryl...he's cooking for her next ep :P nah, i dun think Klan's into total destruction....i kinda feel sorry for her. i keep thinking that ranka is a big traitor, and i seeth at every picture of her, especially her "cute" ones near the end. but then i find it hard to believe that ranka is evil. |
| Angel, I'm surprised that you're not calling the SMS traitors... =P Everyone left aboard the Frontier are idiots... as for Leon's reasoning.... here's a simple counterargument If a bee stings you, would you go off, find all the bees in existence and exterminate them? no. My guess is that the vajra are acting like bees, following the queen (ranka), and protecting the queen whenever they feel there is a threat. Looks like the next episode will answer a question that i've had for the entire season... What exactly are the Vajra. and now remember... reason trumps force. |
Tekky99 said: Angel, I'm surprised that you're not calling the SMS traitors... =P Everyone left aboard the Frontier are idiots... as for Leon's reasoning.... here's a simple counterargument If a bee stings you, would you go off, find all the bees in existence and exterminate them? no. My guess is that the vajra are acting like bees, following the queen (ranka), and protecting the queen whenever they feel there is a threat. Looks like the next episode will answer a question that i've had for the entire season... What exactly are the Vajra. and now remember... reason trumps force. My answer to your beautiful argument. Should a bee sting someone indeed it is foolish to go after all of them but should more than one do so would one ignore them so as a consequence they may sting more and kill more? There is a saying....ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Believe the Vajras have stepped OVER that threshold. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
angel999 said: I OFFICIALLY DECLARE that I am on side of the NUNS with the Captain and I GUESS THAT MAKES A SPACE PIRATE! ^_^ Well like Ozma said...I would prefer not to fight for a PIECE OS SHIT ASS PRESIDENT WHO KILLS TO GET POWER! DIE LEON AND GRACE NAZI SCUM BAGS WHO LICK DEMON ASSES! you mean you are on the side of the SMS? aren't the NUNS the one left on Frontier? |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| lol wow and everyone flamed ranka for what she did. alto just 'settled' for sheryl. he should just die for that. |
| Fuck yeah space pirates. |
| Wow Frontier is still going strong wit it's story line and doesn't disappoint |
 |
| lol that was an epic "oh ranka left, guess ill take sheryl then".... lol |
kaminakun said: angel999 said: I OFFICIALLY DECLARE that I am on side of the NUNS with the Captain and I GUESS THAT MAKES A SPACE PIRATE! ^_^ Well like Ozma said...I would prefer not to fight for a PIECE OS SHIT ASS PRESIDENT WHO KILLS TO GET POWER! DIE LEON AND GRACE NAZI SCUM BAGS WHO LICK DEMON ASSES! you mean you are on the side of the SMS? aren't the NUNS the one left on Frontier? Yeah the NUNS are the OLD SMS. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
pcube19622 said: lol that was an epic "oh ranka left, guess ill take sheryl then".... lol Yeah why not..after all mature is better than loli...at the very least with my morals. |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
kisami said: lol wow and everyone flamed ranka for what she did. alto just 'settled' for sheryl. he should just die for that. Why? Ranka is with something that killed Michael should she not die with that thing for even thinking of siding with it??? |
| Oops! I appear to be incapable of following Rules 16 and 17, so I had to have a mod change my sig for me. |
pcube19622 said: lol that was an epic "oh ranka left, guess ill take sheryl then".... lol You do know the Ranka forfeited because she knew that Alto didn't love her right? |
Westlo said: pcube19622 said: lol that was an epic "oh ranka left, guess ill take sheryl then".... lol You do know the Ranka forfeited because she knew that Alto didn't love her right? i agree..... and as for that picture with sheryl`s top ...i think that is alto`s hand...not sure .. |
More topics from this board
Poll: » Macross F Episode 17 Discussion ( 1 2 )Westlo - Aug 1, 2008 |
60 |
by Dzentelmen2
»»
Oct 12, 2023 7:22 AM |
|
Poll: » Macross F Episode 13 Discussion ( 1 2 )darkside099 - Jul 4, 2008 |
72 |
by sserpens
»»
Mar 27, 2023 6:08 AM |
|
Poll: » Macross Frontier Episode 23 Discussion ( 1 2 )angel999 - Sep 11, 2008 |
98 |
by catfay
»»
Feb 21, 2023 3:22 PM |
|
Poll: » Macross F Episode 7 Discussion ( 1 2 )Westlo - May 15, 2008 |
72 |
by Antanaru
»»
Dec 31, 2022 11:36 AM |
|
Poll: » Macross Frontier Episode 20 Discussion ( 1 2 3 )angel999 - Aug 21, 2008 |
123 |
by Fortress_Maximus
»»
Nov 19, 2022 2:13 PM |