Mashiroiro Symphony: The Color of Lovers Episode 11 Discussion

FifthAveSensei said:
At this point, I want to see a hentai OVA version of this show.

Hell, that's what "Princess Lover" did.
And, that was the ONLY thing that saved me after watch THAT series!!
But if they did that, he'd need to go SUPER-PIMPIN' in that one!!!
(Either that or go all BAD END like most hentai.)
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Yeah...I watch hentai!
Blame my ex-girlfriend for that one!!

McRib said:
I am not pleased with the ending we got. I very rarely care in these seemingly generic VN adaptations but this one I really enjoyed and I hate to see it end this way. Oh well...I guess that's that. Bravo to Manglobe for implying something though...I didn't think we'd get that in this show.

However, it did bring back the fun of a good shipping war. It's been quite a while since I've cared about one of those.

kamikaze_1996 said:
or they all just share the guy

Tenchi_Ryu said:


How is that not the best ending? Pimpin ain't easy, and should be praised when accomplished...

prismheart said:
The friendship of Airi and Sana (along with the maid and the little sister) has been better than Miu and Shingo.

Venats said:


This isn't exactly the deepest of characterizing shows so it makes sense that a deconstructed tsundere and the only other partially developed character interacting would be more interesting than the rest. You've seen them grow, suffer, and develop over the course of the show. Comparatively, your two romantic leads are about as well-rounded as cubes stuck in peg holes and have evolved as much in 11-episodes as a slug has progressed in crossing the Sahara, that is to say they haven't. At all.

A large part of the charm of this show, to its boon or detriment, is that its supporting cast has proven to be brilliant and the real driving force of the story. This is simply how the scenes and times were handled, with much of your first half devoted to Airi, and your second to Sana, and it is their changes that drove the plot. Your main characters, on the other hand, have remained static and their interactions are dependent on others, but not each other, to hold meaning. Shingo and Miu interacting is more or less Shingo helping female-Shingo, or Miu being helped by male-Miu. They are far too similar (read: identical) to really create any sort of interesting or contrasting dynamic which tends to grab people's attention or shake the proverbial cage to get the plot moving. Shingo and Miu together, as we saw this episode, don't really amount to much more than blushes, ass, and sex, and the actual fruit of the episode was everything else.

The cat metaphor really is accurate, aside from color they are identical.

Kaeyuki said:
I was really hoping for Airi, I loved her route the most in game..
This really left me with uneasy and bad feelings.

Setsuna200 said:
I think they might pull a Amagami or Clannad here that an OVA with a different girl or the series goes to the 20s cause no final date has been posted

ahmed_great2005 said:
Easily the best episode so far.I loved to see how much Sana changed positively.

Airi really doesn't seem the same we saw in the first episode,I mean she was all over Shingo now she said that she hasn't fallen in love with anyone seems like her memories are gone away or something like that.

Aishia said:
and I'm also glad that she was able to move forward after everything she went through.

snowgreen said:
Did you miss the line when she said she's going to be foreveralone?

Aishia said:
but nothing stops us from falling in love again later on, right? ;)

Setsuna200 said:
I think they might pull a Amagami or Clannad here that an OVA with a different girl or the series goes to the 20s cause no final date has been posted and Maji de has one now and this one had one originally but now its gone so what to think and what to do

Venats said:


This isn't exactly the deepest of characterizing shows so it makes sense that a deconstructed tsundere and the only other partially developed character interacting would be more interesting than the rest. You've seen them grow, suffer, and develop over the course of the show. Comparatively, your two romantic leads are about as well-rounded as cubes stuck in peg holes and have evolved as much in 11-episodes as a slug has progressed in crossing the Sahara, that is to say they haven't. At all.

A large part of the charm of this show, to its boon or detriment, is that its supporting cast has proven to be brilliant and the real driving force of the story. This is simply how the scenes and times were handled, with much of your first half devoted to Airi, and your second to Sana, and it is their changes that drove the plot. Your main characters, on the other hand, have remained static and their interactions are dependent on others, but not each other, to hold meaning. Shingo and Miu interacting is more or less Shingo helping female-Shingo, or Miu being helped by male-Miu. They are far too similar (read: identical) to really create any sort of interesting or contrasting dynamic which tends to grab people's attention or shake the proverbial cage to get the plot moving. Shingo and Miu together, as we saw this episode, don't really amount to much more than blushes, ass, and sex, and the actual fruit of the episode was everything else.

The cat metaphor really is accurate, aside from color they are identical.

FifthAveSensei said:

Venats......THANK YOU for being SPOT ON!!
The points you make are ALL of the issues I have with this series!!
Especially your point about the Shingo x Miu route not being well-rounded.
At the start of the show, both characters were enjoyably to watch.
Somehow the writers, in an attempt to re-route the show to get them together,
turned them into a cliched awkward couple that was PAINFUL to watch!!
Even the watching Miu's flirty mother's character made me want to stab my eyes out!!!
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In another post, I said I wanted a Hentai OVA just like the one done for "Princess Lover".
If we are lucky, the writer for that will give Shingo x Miu some emotional depth these writers refused to give them!!!

Zavie said:


Is this how you saw his post? I found his post pointing that Shin and Miu are meant to be together perfectly. The similarities are so big that almost make them pale as characters, so when they are together, you see a perfect bland Mr. & Mrs. Plain couple.

I think it was intentional like that, Shingo being with a bland choice like Miu, while it's perfectly not wrong to do that. But Miu and Shingo being together really brought out the characteristic of Sana and Airi, and the realistic ones at that, and that's why there's a lot of people really appreciate the pairing. Not just only a cute romantic story, but also a melancholic, deep and beautiful maturation between boys and girls, and of course, that lovely friendship as well.

Venats said:
Shingo and Miu together, as we saw this episode, don't really amount to much more than blushes, ass, and sex, and the actual fruit of the episode was everything else.

Venats said:
My post had little to do with who or what is better paired together as it was merely an analysis on the construction of this show and its characters. If you look at them individually, they are all cookies cut from a convenient and common mold but two of them grew to be something more noticeable from the rest. Whether we like it or not, that was where the character of the development of this show was, in those two characters. Sana is a cookie cut from the modern tsun mold but she grows, falls apart, and learns, Airi is a more classical rendition of the tsun and she underwent similar treatment but not quite to the same extremes. Comparatively, Ange and Sakuno were non-existent, Miu has as much depth as a two-dimensional plane, and Shingo wasn't exactly a complex figure. There were signs or what I'd have thought hints to a bit more depth to Shingo's character when he'd divulged his weakness to Airi, but that never matured into anything, and his character remained static through much of the show.

Hence, we as viewers are more drawn to the two characters that had any real character to them. If you remove bias and favoritism of "I won!" or shipping wars or what have you, I wonder just how many people would genuinely care for any of the other cast in this show. From a personal stand point as I am not about to offer a completely objective analysis and I'd like to thrown my opinion out there, this show's greatest weakness lies in its characterization. It was so lopsided that I was and am truly left without much care for the main characters of the show. You could entirely remove them from the plot, which is an ironic thing to say because that is in a way what the episode did, and I wouldn't bat an eye. If the last episode doesn't even have Shingo or Miu in it, it will probably be as interesting as if it had because they are no longer the center pin around which the plot moves. Sana and Airi were developed around Shingo, and Miu for the former, but without conflict there's no dynamic to make the latter two characters stand out as main characters or even be interesting.

Perhaps the best way to look at this show is not that Shingo and Miu are main characters but that Sana and Airi are the actual main characters, because they have displayed every attribute necessary for the job. Odd to a degree but it makes sense. They could have handled their transitions better from Airi to Sana, without leaving the former in the murky zone of off screen development, but they did a decent enough job. It could have been a far better job, though, and I'm left with a flavor in my mouth that longed for something more to come out of Shingo to really make him standout more as a real character. He really could have been a male lead, in general, of the year if only his character had had a bit more of a dynamic to it but he was ultimately left as a fairly bland character that was more of a plot device around which things moved than an individual person. Whether or not we call the show about Airi and Sana, the fact that Shingo was the only male draws our attention to him more than any other character because he is unique. In this sense, I really do feel that they did a poor job with making him interesting to fit his unique position.

Why any of you are taking what I said to mean either that Miu and Shingo are meant or not meant to be together is a bit beyond the point, and to some degree you're twisting my words.

FifthAveSensei said:


Venats....let me apologize up-front if you feel I twisted your words in ANY way!
I do STILL agree with your point about the shingo & miu pairing as not being well rounded, though!!
I also agree when say that Ange and Sakuno were "non-existent".
That really irritated me!
I really liked Sakuno and wished they had given her more to do in this series.

Tenchi_Ryu said:


How is that not the best ending? Pimpin ain't easy, and should be praised when accomplished...

elior1 said:
fifth... there was devloment since the begining of the show for miu and also hints for her win.there was a few hints in the first episodes which make it clear miu win.the first hint is We see him take special notice of Miu in episode 1 the second hint is she's the only girl he blushes about in Episode 2 when recalling his introduction to her the third hint he was start worry about her in episode 5 even here plot was still backround until half-way through episode 6. so they did it a little well

Tomodachi5 said:
Is it just me or did anyone else not really get into the last kissing scene. I feel like there was no passion or actual love, It just felt bland. Now with the Toradora kissing scene in the end, Now that, THAT was perfect. That truly made me feel happy. Whatever, I thought the series was okay nothing special but i'm not exactly sure what the last episode could be about, I mean Shingo already sealed the deal.

P.S. Whoever hasn't watched Toradora should go watch it all right now.