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| I love Tohsaka Rin and she truly kicked some major ass in this episode. I personally didn't find it boring or uninteresting - it was over in a flash just like the previous episodes. Visuals and music were spectacular yet again. |
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kaimax said: ssjokg said: ufotable did a really good job until now and i really doubt they gave rin so much screentime because of her fans... They actually "Did it". Read Thess's Comment again about "what really happened" in the Light Novel. i know what happened in the LN. what i want to say is people raging about small things in a 7 page side story.would it be better if it were like the LN?HELL YEAH. in the end the overall story in FZ is not affected at all. i too wanted to see kiritsugu to hold baby iliya in his arms(very start of ep1)but instead what i got was him looking at the snow falling outside.and i think seeing kiritsugu like this was far more important than rin's trauma |
ssjokg said: kaimax said: ssjokg said: ufotable did a really good job until now and i really doubt they gave rin so much screentime because of her fans... They actually "Did it". Read Thess's Comment again about "what really happened" in the Light Novel. i know what happened in the LN. what i want to say is people raging about small things in a 7 page side story.would it be better if it were like the LN?HELL YEAH. in the end the overall story in FZ is not affected at all. i too wanted to see kiritsugu to hold baby iliya in his arms(very start of ep1)but instead what i got was him looking at the snow falling outside.and i think seeing kiritsugu like this was far more important than rin's trauma That's actually the only really annoying thing about this. I'm not going to lose any sleep over the changes made here but since they came out of a necessity to stretch the story over more episodes I find it slightly irritating that up until now they've removed scenes and lines that actually happened in the Novel to save time only for them to end up inserting stuff that never happened in the Novel like this to fill time. |
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Faker_ said: Haven't read the LN, but I did read the Fate/Stay Night VN and one of the things going on between Rin and Shiro It was implied that she suppressed the memory of this episode it was too horrible for her to handle it (the terror she experienced) and that she could not see anything in the dark, but she imagined it what was that. She's a kid. I wish they would have made Uryuu give her a beating of her life, instead (since he was also inserted here and killed all the threat from the upcoming episodes when a little girl 'defeats him') to make a point that this Holy Grail War isn't a child's business. The way this was adapted was completely against the mood of the series. Rin was meant to be another helpless victim, not a heroine. If they were going to add scenes about it, then get some in the mood of the story. |
ThessDec 3, 2011 7:29 PM
| Thanks Topgunuk69 and Thess for the clarifications. The episode by itself feels like a 4/5, but when placed together with the rest of F/Z it does feel out of place. Oh well, If naruto fillers where like this I wouldn't have to drop it. |
| Being a Rin fan, of course I enjoyed the episode even though it's just a side story/filler. Loli Rin is instant WIN. And if you think this filler is bad. At least it's not Bleach filler or Naruto filler. |
TehYGuyDec 3, 2011 7:50 PM
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| The worst episode until now, but still enjoyed watching. |
ssjokg said: i too wanted to see kiritsugu to hold baby iliya in his arms(very start of ep1)but instead what i got was him looking at the snow falling outside.and i think seeing kiritsugu like this was far more important than rin's trauma Not that I despise Rin (in fact I like her), but I have to agree with this ^ I wonder if Kiritsugu holding Ilya might be one of those uncut scenes. I sure hope so because it's a really important part (in terms of Kiritsugu's character/personality). @ Yumekichi: I have nothing against Rin trying to save her classmate and the kids (even though its foolish, it was really brave of her regardless) but I feel like Rin's complete success with owning Ryuunosuke and getting the kids out of there alive without Ryuunosuke getting an opportunity to retaliate...just doesn't sit too well with me. Especially since Fate/Zero has made a strong impression on me of having an overall dark, serious mood...where things don't usually go well or happen on a happy tone. Rin owning a despicable criminal was awesome..by itself. However, not within the context of Fate/Zero. And I almost forgot to mention about the preview: I seriously CAN'T WAIT! >__< One of my top favorite scenes His laugh in the sound drama at least was one of the most contagious, hilarious laughs I have ever heard in my life. So contagious that I can't help but want to laugh with him. Hoping his seiyuu will make his laugh as contagious and hilarious in the next episode. Anyhow, I wouldn't mind if the next or two full episodes is dedicated to one of my top favorite scenes of Fate/Zero <3 Which makes me wonder whether I should watch it right when it comes out or I should wait and watch the next two episodes after I'm completely done with my final projects and papers for this semester. Because I know I will rewatch the next two episodes thousands of times. Which wouldn't be good if I'm trying to finish my projects and papers in time.. |
sallym613Dec 3, 2011 8:53 PM
| I felt so sorry for Kariya when he appeared, he is looking even worst than before. Damn Zouken, you really are a worm. Filler episode so I didn't find it so interesting. But next week seems interesting, really interesting, can't wait for it. |
| honestly it's the first time i felt bored while watching Fate/Zero -.-" but kariya kariya Kariya KARIYA HAS FINALLY SHOWED UP <333333333333 4\5 bcuz the appearance of Kariya & Ryunosuke :b |
| Tbh I preferred this episode to the LN content that was adapted. Maybe it was a bit dragged out, but I thought the character development with regards to Rin/Tokiomi was good. The backgrounds were great, major Kara no Kyoukai vibes :D Absolutely cannot wait for next week. Rider's NP is gonna be fantastic ^_^ |
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| Even though I enjoyed seeing Rin, I thought this was a boring episode. However, I do appreciate the work put in, that scene where Rin was running around was so creepy. |
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| Don't know why people didn't like this, I actually thought it was great! Was so anxious from the anticipation of Caster popping out of no where SURPRISE BUTTSECKS , but he didn't xD |
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KyouEri said: I liked it even if it was a filler, But that's probably just me being a TYPE-MOON fanboy. 5/5 Rin is the best Same here. I admit it wasn't near as good as the other episodes but I still loved it. Specially since Rin is one of my favorite characters. |
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| Honestly, this episode is now officially overrated and overpraised just because of Rin. |
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| Sorry, I love this anime but this episode was basically filler and I understand that they may need to make time, but they could've done something other than a Rin's adventure episode. Only parts I liked was a bit of info on the Tohsaka father and seeing Berserker's master (one of my favs) |
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| The animation and detail of the compass + mana gems were AMAZING! Rin dedicated episode makes this episode completely full of win too~ AND I KNOW I CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT EPISODE, :D:D:D |
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sallym613 said: I understand but understand that after the shitty ass murdering shit that Uryuu did to kids, sheer justice with a4 hammer have been delivered of those dead kids by Rin. It is to say the least a homage to avenging those kids. @ Yumekichi: I have nothing against Rin trying to save her classmate and the kids (even though its foolish, it was really brave of her regardless) but I feel like Rin's complete success with owning Ryuunosuke and getting the kids out of there alive without Ryuunosuke getting an opportunity to retaliate...just doesn't sit too well with me. Especially since Fate/Zero has made a strong impression on me of having an overall dark, serious mood...where things don't usually go well or happen on a happy tone. Rin owning a despicable criminal was awesome..by itself. However, not within the context of Fate/Zero. That being said MOE does not really belong in this series except seldom inserted. Now this episode concentrated half MOE half serious with Berseker's Master being the final punch in this episode. BTW is it me or Berserker's Master can control the locust swarm? Except something doesn’t sit well with me....how did he gain control of it? What can it do? Can it be killed? Totally or partially and regenerates? Thanks to anyone who knows of this. Point being that despite them changing things, glorifying Rin is good IMO. |
are-kusu said: Worst episode of the season, but still a good one. I'd like to think that this ep was also made to show how Tokiomi was not necessarily a bad father to Rin. Uh, no Tokiomi sucks as a father. His aim is to reach the Root of All Things, remember. Do you think there's a ticket back home? Yeah... There isn't. However, he's a great magus mentor. Those bonding scenes was him mentoring Rin to be a good magus. This is what he's good as. I thought the episode portrayed this perfectly. His good side. We already know he fails at parenting. |
| ANyone noticed that the place where Rin stumbles into Caster's master looks EXACTLY like Kowloon City's interiors? If you live in Hong Kong, you'll definitely know about this. |
| Quite liked the episode, actually. It was cool to see at least a little bit of the "bond" between Rin and Tokiomi. And, considering Rin is one of the major characters of the Fate franchise, I don't see how the episode was unnecessary. But, I'm not sure what I like better, what I'm hearing happened in the Novel or what happened in the anime. I'll have to read the novel to find out, I guess. |
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Yumekichi11 said: sallym613 said: I understand but understand that after the shitty ass murdering shit that Uryuu did to kids, sheer justice with a4 hammer have been delivered of those dead kids by Rin. It is to say the least a homage to avenging those kids. @ Yumekichi: I have nothing against Rin trying to save her classmate and the kids (even though its foolish, it was really brave of her regardless) but I feel like Rin's complete success with owning Ryuunosuke and getting the kids out of there alive without Ryuunosuke getting an opportunity to retaliate...just doesn't sit too well with me. Especially since Fate/Zero has made a strong impression on me of having an overall dark, serious mood...where things don't usually go well or happen on a happy tone. Rin owning a despicable criminal was awesome..by itself. However, not within the context of Fate/Zero. That being said MOE does not really belong in this series except seldom inserted. Now this episode concentrated half MOE half serious with Berseker's Master being the final punch in this episode. BTW is it me or Berserker's Master can control the locust swarm? Except something doesn’t sit well with me....how did he gain control of it? What can it do? Can it be killed? Totally or partially and regenerates? Thanks to anyone who knows of this. Point being that despite them changing things, glorifying Rin is good IMO. Haha I know x) Ryuunosuke really deserves getting pwned like that. Even though I didn't love the way they altered Rin scenes, that ^ is still enjoyable to see. I never really like Ryuunosuke or Caster in the first place anyways - Which is why I'm still baffled at the fact that some people out there actually like them .__. Aside from that, I think it's still out of place, especially in a dark story like Fate/Zero that is trying to show the dark horrors behind the Grail War. Not saying that it doesn't have any moments where you can laugh or feel happy but overall it's not meant to be happy or light-hearted>_> Btw about your question in regards to Kariya, master of Berserker: I'm pretty sure that he gained control of them through his one year training prior to the Grail War. I don't remember the exact abilities from his control of the bugs/locusts though. |
dkrdude3 said: This episode was a complete waste of time. One of the many things that makes F/Z so much better than F/SN is the relative absence of Rin, so focusing an episode on her as a kid is basically the worst idea I can think of. I don't understand. Developping a beloved character from the original series is considered a waste of time? Of all the characters in F/SN, you hate Rin? I would love to remove Shirou from the picture entirely personally, in addition to all worthless, spinless male leads in anime in general. For some people, an episode without flashy lights and explosions is a crappy episode... If you like action without any substance or meaning, go watch Blood C. The action is apparently very good. On a more episode-related note, the bond between Rin and her father had a surprisingly warm touch. I keep hearing that Tokiomi is a terrible father, but he shows at least he is a good mentor. |
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| SON I AM DISAPPOINT. One would think there would not be a filler episode 10 episodes in but egad, I was wrong. However, bonus points for Loli!Rin. |
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Yumekichi11 said: sallym613 said: I understand but understand that after the shitty ass murdering shit that Uryuu did to kids, sheer justice with a4 hammer have been delivered of those dead kids by Rin. It is to say the least a homage to avenging those kids. @ Yumekichi: I have nothing against Rin trying to save her classmate and the kids (even though its foolish, it was really brave of her regardless) but I feel like Rin's complete success with owning Ryuunosuke and getting the kids out of there alive without Ryuunosuke getting an opportunity to retaliate...just doesn't sit too well with me. Especially since Fate/Zero has made a strong impression on me of having an overall dark, serious mood...where things don't usually go well or happen on a happy tone. Rin owning a despicable criminal was awesome..by itself. However, not within the context of Fate/Zero. Point being that despite them changing things, glorifying Rin is good IMO. No. It isn't. The entire episode is ridiculous in context of the anime (the premise of Zero is the Bad Guy Wins). There is no justice, no satisfactory gleam of hope, but despair. Save that earn your happy ending for Fate Stay Night. Save the almost 100% happy ending for Fate Hollow Ataraxia, the sequel. Rin should have gotten her ass owned and pissed herself in fear if they wanted to expand things. She became an unrealistic piece of loli fanservice in this episode, rather than an adorable and realistic kid. We first see her nearly flashing us to take this seriously. All she did in the LN was being scared witless while trying to find her friend and then faint while Kariya rescued her from trouble, all by savoring the bitter despair of the knowledge her best friend must be dead or worse than dead and this was a crappy idea. They shouldn't have wasted money on pointless lolicon fanservice, they could have very well ax this episode on half and set up the Mad Feast of Kings. |
ThessDec 3, 2011 10:35 PM
Omniknight said: dkrdude3 said: This episode was a complete waste of time. One of the many things that makes F/Z so much better than F/SN is the relative absence of Rin, so focusing an episode on her as a kid is basically the worst idea I can think of. I don't understand. Developping a beloved character from the original series is considered a waste of time? Of all the characters in F/SN, you hate Rin? I would love to remove Shirou from the picture entirely personally, in addition to all worthless, spinless male leads in anime in general. Eh, what? Shirou's a great character, the biggest problem is that he's super annoying on the Fate Route (well, tolerable at times, but still...), he's absolutely epic on other routes. In particular during Heaven's Feel. He's not your shounen like retard either. Nor he's spineless. Rin's a good character, but she's in no way deeper than Shirou (lol). Heck, she's the only heroine in Fate Stay Night who doesn't get a route (sure, she's the heroine in UBW but that's also called Shirou's route while Fate is Saber's and Heaven Feel's Sakura. Closest she has is the Prologue). She's always supporting character type since she works better as a colorful sidekick or a narrator, IMO. |
ThessDec 3, 2011 10:44 PM
Thess said: I understand your con view of this but fan service was definitely not in there. There were some very light suggestions but nothing near any ecchi nor even for that matter light ecchi it was shown. Yumekichi11 said: sallym613 said: I understand but understand that after the shitty ass murdering shit that Uryuu did to kids, sheer justice with a4 hammer have been delivered of those dead kids by Rin. It is to say the least a homage to avenging those kids. @ Yumekichi: I have nothing against Rin trying to save her classmate and the kids (even though its foolish, it was really brave of her regardless) but I feel like Rin's complete success with owning Ryuunosuke and getting the kids out of there alive without Ryuunosuke getting an opportunity to retaliate...just doesn't sit too well with me. Especially since Fate/Zero has made a strong impression on me of having an overall dark, serious mood...where things don't usually go well or happen on a happy tone. Rin owning a despicable criminal was awesome..by itself. However, not within the context of Fate/Zero. Point being that despite them changing things, glorifying Rin is good IMO. No. It isn't. The entire episode is ridiculous in context of the anime (the premise of Zero is the Bad Guy Wins). There is no justice, no satisfactory gleam of hope, but despair. Save that earn your happy ending for Fate Stay Night. Save the almost 100% happy ending for Fate Hollow Ataraxia, the sequel. Rin should have gotten her ass owned and pissed herself in fear if they wanted to expand things. She became an unrealistic piece of loli fan service in this episode, rather than an adorable and realistic kid. We first see her nearly flashing us to take this seriously. All she did in the LN was being scared witless while trying to find her friend and then faint while Kariya rescued her from trouble, all by savouring the bitter despair of the knowledge her best friend must be dead or worse than dead and this was a crappy idea. They shouldn't have wasted money on pointless lolicon fan service, they could have very well axe this episode on half and set up the Mad Feast of Kings. Perhaps an alternate version of what you mention could be included in the BD Vol of this episode but that remains to be seen. They should give to their fans cut scenes or redo some scenes for sure. The being said I tend to see it more positive of what they tried to show of Rin this episode. At least fan have been served. Not in fan service but in the joy of seeing Rin being glorified. |
Yumekichi11 said: At least fan have been served. Not in fan service but in the joy of seeing Rin being glorified. You just admitted that this episode is a dickstroking effort to Rin fans. |
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| Kind of a slow/boring ep imo. Edit: lol only 3 more episodes for this "season" too, makes it even worse. |
temporaryDec 3, 2011 11:26 PM
| A Rin-centric ep wasn't bad. Hope the last 3 eps will deliver as much. |
| I just hope the last episode will be epic. |
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| Worst episode so far; but even with that said it wasn't that bad it was just that compared to the rest... Rin is awesome so the episode was ok, but even though it was nice to see what she was like as a kid it didn't fill the episode enough for me to say it was good; unlike all the other episodes which made me lose track of time this one felt average at best. It seems like its going to pick up next episode though from what they said in the preview. |
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| I loved this episode. Really kept me at the edge of my seat. When the police drove by and Rin escaped detection I was hoping the police would find her and send her home but then she actually saved the kids and survived. Everything went better than expected. :D |
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| Bah! decent episode but the worst one so far, especially since they changed the whole meaning of Rin's little adventure. But everything else was top notch as usual. Omniknight said: dkrdude3 said: This episode was a complete waste of time. One of the many things that makes F/Z so much better than F/SN is the relative absence of Rin, so focusing an episode on her as a kid is basically the worst idea I can think of. I don't understand. Developping a beloved character from the original series is considered a waste of time? Of all the characters in F/SN, you hate Rin? I would love to remove Shirou from the picture entirely personally, in addition to all worthless, spinless male leads in anime in general. LOL if you think Shirou is a spineless male lead, he has done more brave and badass things than nearly all the Masters and even some Servants put together. You can call him an idiot but spineless is the last word I would use to describe Shirou. |
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| Aoi is such a doormat. Kariya doesn't have very good taste in women, poor guy. |
Thess said: All she did in the LN was being scared witless while trying to find her friend and then faint while Kariya rescued her from trouble, all by savouring the bitter despair of the knowledge her best friend must be dead or worse than dead and this was a crappy idea. REALLY? If I did read the novel then yeah, this would seem like an unnecessary addition for Rin fans... but I don't see the problem in how they executed it. I can agree that this isn't a great use of time considering there's only 3 episodes left, but then again... this isn't worse than the 1hr abomination of episode 1. Although, out of all this, there are some interesting developments in Tokiomi and Kariya (not sure if it was in the novel as well) which may or may not justify the changes. So here's to hoping I can convince you to change your mind: -Tokiomi was portrayed as the perfect father from Rin's perspective. It seems like the overarching theme of the entire episode is on how she wants to be a powerful magus like the father she looks up to. But we all know that in reality, he didn't give a rat's ass about Rin when she was in trouble; he could have commanded Assassin to swoop her out at any time, but didn't, to have assassin remain a tactical advantage. Had she failed and went back feeling like crap, this doesn't exactly establish anything much but add more to the gloomy atmosphere. But when she succeeded, it adds more to the contrast of Tokiomi's two-sided character of what people perceive him as, and what he actually is. Thus, Rin's little adventure/flashback actually adds quite a bit to Tokiomi's villainy such that in the final scene between Kariya and Rin's mom, instead of not caring about their disputes (which is the neutral stance I took when they first introduced him), I took Kariya's side. |
| Haha, Rin never changed in all those years, from hair. I bet Tokiomi got rich by selling glass. Perhaps he's the main deliverer for Swarovski. Ouch, nearly got raped by a book. Only a bibliothecarian would like that. Kudos for Rin for going out so late and looking so loli. I knew it when they started about kidnapping... You bastard Caster. Wh-what, I was scared like hell when Kariya appeared. Anyhow, the fact that Rin broke Ryunosuke's bracelet means 1) Caster and Ryunosuke are just weak or 2) Rin is already quite strong. Good episode. :) |
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| it was ok ep but compare with the rest pretty dull. |
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| It's always nice to see Rin no matter what age she is. Her personality is just interesting. And she is courageous as well traveling all alone at that age is impressive and than going after a killer tho i don't think she understood the seriousness of the last one. I knew that she would be saved by someone but the what happened in between was unexpected. The question is was Matou watching her the entire time or was he just at the right place during the right time. Also it was nice to see some of Rin's youth she was much more open then she was in Fate/Stay night. |
| Well, weakest episode so far, even thought it contained Rin which I really like. Oh well. At least Berserkers master has shown itself again. I really hope to see more of that guy in the future, especially since he has great looking servant. |
| Admittedly not as gripping as previous episodes, but it was fun to watch nonetheless. The character development -- albeit rather minor -- of Tokiomi and Kariya were definitely the highlights. Even so, Kariya's confrontation with Aoi felt like it could of been done a lot better. It honestly felt like something was missing, and Kariya's fist pump was cheesy, really. Overall, it was not too bad of an episode. Personally, I felt that Rin's perspective of the Holy Grail War was an interesting touch. |
ideoidiom said: -Tokiomi was portrayed as the perfect father from Rin's perspective. It seems like the overarching theme of the entire episode is on how she wants to be a powerful magus like the father she looks up to. But we all know that in reality, he didn't give a rat's ass about Rin when she was in trouble; he could have commanded Assassin to swoop her out at any time, but didn't, to have assassin remain a tactical advantage. Had she failed and went back feeling like crap, this doesn't exactly establish anything much but add more to the gloomy atmosphere. But when she succeeded, it adds more to the contrast of Tokiomi's two-sided character of what people perceive him as, and what he actually is. Thus, Rin's little adventure/flashback actually adds quite a bit to Tokiomi's villainy such that in the final scene between Kariya and Rin's mom, instead of not caring about their disputes (which is the neutral stance I took when they first introduced him), I took Kariya's side. Tokiomi had no idea that Rin had gone out that night, Rin and Aoi were living with the Zenjou family so as not to be involved in the War. Kirei is monitoring all the Masters closely with Assassins trying to figure out why they seek the Grail, this is under Gilgamesh's request and Kirei doesn't share this with Tokiomi so he isn't aware of what the Assassins saw there. |
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