Dungeon Meshi Episode 8 Discussion

Meh.

I feel the author is tooting her own horn way too much. Last episode the crew already stated the balance of the dungeon self sustained ecosystem (it was also already mentioned in the golems episode) and again in today's episode half of it is presented with Marcille's soapbox declaration and Falin's flashback. In the old days it would be the basic work of a writer to establish the setting and the surroundings of the characters' that can provide them tools and sustain. I just hope the author stops being this blatant towards her audience.

Regarding Falin's flashback I'm indifferent in terms of content. But at least I do appreciatte it a lot being presented "before" a major event rather than use it exactly during a battle just for the sake of making a fight longer than it should (I consider this a terrible battle shonen trope).

I do admit that the very low animation in the early episode kinda made me think this would be an episode with a lot of static animation. Glad that this wasn't the case with the undine's battle.

This is something that I had thought from the very beginning that having no cleric and possibly no other source for healing (potions or balms) would bite the crew in the ass eventually. I bet that supah fanboy that keeps claiming they are wise experts in dungeon exploring will make up a massive asspull of an excuse to cover this.

@Kimurah

It is actually worrying on a fundamental level how desperately obsessed you are with trying to be smarter than the author (and me, lmao), while makin the silliest observations possible.



Like what does this even mean. "it would be the basic work of a writer to establish the setting and the surroundings" that's what she's doing and you're still bitching?? lmfao.

The golem episode highlighted that Senshi puts in deliberate work to maintain the dungeon; in this episode, Marcille remarks that simply being adventurers contribute to the dungeon and that they themselves are part of the ecosystem. These are two similar but very different takes on the same theme (geez, it's almost like this show is about food in a dungeon). I remmeber that you didn't understand Chilchuck's character development in the mimic episode, so it's wild to try to get mad at the author for expanding upon the themes you would certainly be too dense to get on your own.

Like you are so fucking obsessed with trying to "out" the author as a "fraud", did Ryoko Kui fuck your dad or something?



The first episode made a big deal about how little supplies they have and how difficult eating monsters will be. The sorbet episode explicitly has the characters lament that everything would be easier if Falin were in the party because of her healing abilities and positive attitude.

No shit that not having a dedicated healer would make things harder. That's why they have to play it smart and make use of eating monsters to stay healthy. You didn't think shit. You were informed of this, you just refuse to pay attention.

You seem to have an extremely difficult time understanding that characters sometimes take risks, lol. "Why are they taking the riskier, but faster option in a time-sensitive mission? Why didn't they simply not lose to the dragon, like I would have???"

Also there is literally nothing stated about potions or balms. This isn't Final Fantasy, lmao.



Falin is being digested you complete tool. Did you forget about that? How do you think your critiques mean anything if you don't understand the basic premise of the story? All because, agian, you're a tool who thinks playing armchair dungeon explorer makes him a better writer than the author, lmfao.

I genuinely cannot understand why you actually, unironically think the characters facing conflict is bad writing. "duhhh, I knew being undersupplied and understaffed would mean things would be hard" Yeah???? That's what makes the fucking adventure interesting????

What do you think good writing is? You can't really think good writing is when characters make such "perfect", "I read the script" decisions that they never come into any form of trouble or conflict? Do you exclusively watch wish-fulfillment power fantasy isekai or something?

I cannot stress how genuinely stupid it is that you think if a challenge is presented in a story, the characters should fuck off and run away because that's the """smart""" thing to you. A story where either nothing happens because everyone's a little coward who won't do anything if they aren't armed with anything less than a WWII tank for a medieval dungeon or nothing interesting happens because "smart" characters read the script and are armed with WWII tanks for a medieval dungeon is what you think is "good writing".

@Sneasy

And yet you're so easily triggered to come and bark at me as soon as you feel identified on my humble writing.



If you don't even understand what I explicitly said, you're even dumber than I thought.

I already stated that it's blatant and redundant to tell the audience several times using the characters as soapboxes about how the dungeon ecosystem works several times. There's no nuance about it, it's just stroking her ego on basic level world building that most writers do, but at least other writers manage to give life to the narrative rather than creating an episodic cartoon.

Also stop white knighting the author. She doesn't know you exist and she's not losing money nor sleep because people like me isn't kissing her feet like you do.



Thank you butthurt captain obvious. Evryrone in here got all that by watching the show. You're just making the most basic level of summaries. That still counters nothing I pointed out before. They are still idiots for going unprepared on their life or death endeavour and not looking for other ways preemptively to avoid precisely these hazards that will slow them down further. Just like a dad that tells their kids to buckle their seatbelts when they drive out, I'm not saying they should go in and crash a car, I'm saying that being prepared will give them the best chances on succeeding.



Funny that you bark at me for them taking a faster route in a TIME SENSITIVE MISSION, despite them still crawling at snail pace with very little sense of urgency. Sounds like you're contradticting your previous angry rants.



Okay mr fanboy. That only makes this world's building cheaper and contrived. if their only way to do proper dungeon runs is to have a dedicated healer that makes their suceed rate even lower if their healer gets wiped out.

Also balms don't need to be magical smartass, they could serve to heal basic infections, minor wounds or other ailments, same with herb patches. Are you going to tell me that if anyone on the surface has any minor injuries they should go straight out to a healer to treat them? That's some really contrived world building.



And whose fault is that she's being eaten by a dragon? It's their stupid captain Laios that didn't think ahead and should have made a retreat after they lost their supplies wagon and were almost dying of starvation. That's the evidence of them being idiots and also evidence of contrived writing because the writer didn't know how to craft a conflict without making her characters complete morons.




Never said that creating coflict is bad wrting. You're creating false narrative out of pure butthurt and grasping straws.

Contrived writing that makes characters think in a short sighted way (as in there's only one and only one solution for a conflict) does fall into bad writing.



Now you're being hyperbolic and strawmaning my previous statements for pure clowning. Good writing comes from making the characters aware or at least be reasonable. Not saying this show has terrible writing because I've seen way way worse, but it certainly does incline into making all of them complete idiots when it comes to gather their resources to move on and they certainly fall on "dumb luck" more than often (catching a giant bat by hunting mandrakes, killing a mimic with a trap door, getting sympathy from cold blood muderer orcs) For instance there's the incident with the living pictures, where they had no evidence that they could send in Laios to get food and retrieving him with just a rope without him getting trapped and thus making them one man less crew, making the "rescue mission" a bigger haphazard.

Also the fact that you are again creating strawmen about me watching wish fulfillment and power fantasy isekai is hilarious and ignorant, because you know nothing about me (aside that i don't love your favorite manga/anime adpatation), you're just mad dogging me because I don't suck the authors feet on a show you're obviously too drunk and expect everyone else to love it unconditionally.



I doubt an ignorant like you that only watches anime and reads manga would watch movies, specially WWII movies. But for instance, Saving Private Ryan did make this message very clear throught the movie, avoid most engages with the nazies and focus on finding Ryan first and foremost. Otherwise it would cause casualties on your company (and it did) they didn't have a healer nor a cleric that would resurrect them.

Even this season's hidden gems like The Weakest Tamer and even a power fantasy like The Unwanted Undead Adventurer provide the same message about avoiding battles head on and surviving to see another day.

@Kimurah



I didn't even reply to the thread and you were already crying about "fanboys", lmao.



No it isn't, you dumbass, especially when the information we keep getting is different.



Why are you personally offended that the author likes writing about food and dungeons? How fragile are you? How does the worldbuilding not give life to the narrative? The story is about the dungeon, so how is information about the dungeon pointless?

Oh, okay, so you're just a misogynistic little incel who is mad that a female author has a rousing success. I've seen how you shitpost about other anime but you never go after the author's throat like you do with Delicious in Dungeon.

That on top of crying about "Karens" (you're not even using the word right... if anything, you are the Karen!) it's pretty clear why this woman talking about things makes you angry, lmao.

"The author isn't noticing you" The author doesn't give a shit about your 4chan-style "critique" either.



It is obvious, but you're dumb enough to think you came up with it on your own?



Then why are you acting like you made an intelligent observation, dumbass? lmfao. "I knew that being undersupplied would make things harder!" Yeah, that's what they told you.



Any time wasted on getting supplies means Falin is closer to being gone forever, idiot.



The very reason why they're cooking and preparing monsters is because 1) getting food from a shop takes too long and 2) they could run out, things that aren't a problem when you are cooking the monsters you fight. What they're doing is objectively faster than normal.

You're crying about "sense of urgency" (because you're too dumb to understand what isn't explicitly told to you) and then you call them dumb for not wasting their time getting epic-level equipment because you think this is a literal video game.

Pick a critique.



How the fuck is it contrived that there are actual stakes to constantly fighting monsters and diving into unknown territory??? Why do you genuinely hate the idea of conflict, risk, and tension? Are you stupid?

You are actually mad that there is weight to their actions and consequences??? How is it contrived that there are stakes, you cannot actually be this fucking stupid? You genuinely think good writing is when characters only do objectively good things with as little consequence (or effort, or cleverness) as possible.



You mean like eating iron- and protein-rich monsters to heal Marcille, like they literally did in this episode you clearly didn't watch?

So making lemonade out of the lemon dungeon is stupid, and the smart thing to do is somehow magically get the money to buy all the lemonade from the lemonade store?

You are actually mad that the characters are being clever with what they have instead of literally buying an instant-win or anti-death item?



It's actually insane that you think "if things are in any way difficult, the characters just shouldn't try and they should give up in advance or they're stupid" is the hallmark of good, engaging writing. You genuinely despise conflict, tension, basic storytelling.

They are fucking adventurers and you think they shouldn't fight dragons unless it's easy (hint: it's never fucking easy, it's a dragon).



Durr herp, losing a fight to a fucking dragon is contrived writing, lmao.



You literally said the line before that losing a fight to a dragon makes the characters stupid and the plot contrived. You're just too dumb to understand your own critique.



No it isn't, lmfao. Only teenagers think that it's contrived when characters act like actual people and not tools for the narrative. Same people who think CinemaSins is valid critique.



Your idea of reasonable is stupid; you think that characters should be aware of their setting as you are, a third-party observer, and not as characters in the actual setting. You also think taking risks is "unreasonable".



Literally none of that is dumb luck.

How is finding a BAT IN A DUNGEON "dumb luck"? What do you fucking think a dungeon is populated by??? How is that even lucky? Marcille nearly died trying to use a bat to hunt a mandrake, and Senshi ALREADY HAD A PERFECTLY FINE AND HARMLESS HUNTING METHOD, dumbass! You don't even understand why she did it, but you call it "dumb luck"?

Wait, no, I just re-read that, and it's even dumber. "catching a giant bat by hunting mandrakes" No, you dumb fuck, Marcille caught the giant bat in order to hunt the mandrakes. How did you fuck this up? Is your argument actually that them getting the bat for food is "dumb luck" and not something they actively tried?

Marcille used a bat because her method requires an animal to die and she didn't feel bad about a bat dying. Even if her plan went off without a hitch, they would still have giant bat to eat because it would still die to athe mandrake.

Killing the mimic with a trap door isn't dumb luck either???? How is using the environment to defeat an enemy dumb luck???? Especially when the trap door trapped Chilchuck to begin with! The mimic died because it was chasing Chilchuck out of the room. It stepped on the very stone that activated the trap. How is it dumb luck, idiot?

The orcs sparing the party isn't dumb luck. Senshi, who literally lives in the dungeon, is acquainted with them, which makes perfect sense because otherwise he would already be killed by them. Even still, what saves them is cooking, y'know, the premise of the show?



They constantly complained that Laios' plan was stupid, but they had to actually try because they were literally hungry. There's no reason to actually think it won't work unless they try, a notion you seem to despise. Again, here's your disdain for conflict and taking risks because you're one of those stupid people who think they're smart because they only think about things in hindsight and think cowardice is intelligence.

Always the idiot with a "why didn't they do x" after the fact or from hundreds of miles away when everyone knows you would have shat yourself if you ever stepped foot in a dungeon.



You are so desperate to be a victim it's crazy. You blast your vomit in every thread and get mad that people disagree.



What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said

What the fuck does Saving Private Ryan has anything to do with Delicious in Dungeon? Did you take me facetiously bringing up WWII tanks and conclude that actually Delicious in Dungeon should have tanks for your dumbass "characters should never do anything that doesn't outsmart the script" ramble?

If there were a Saving Private Ryan thread here, you'd be complaining about how the soldiers are dumb for fighting a war instead of running away, lmfao.



I like how you went on a speil about how claiming you watch nothing but wish fulfillment and power fantasy is wrong and then your counterargument is some isekai about "weak" adventurers who are actually secretly awesome. Thank you for proving my point, lmfao.

@Sneasy I'd not bother arguing anymore. Look at the guy's post history. He's either a troll or someone that huffs his own CinemaSins-tier pseudo-intellectual "critique". I lean toward the former given his posts and arguments all follow the same pattern:

1. "Criticize" a show while either getting information wrong enough to make it questionable, or completely disparage common writing techniques.

2. People reasonably get annoyed and argue.

3. Call them "karens" or "fanboys" and repeat the errors in step 1.

Just ignore and move on.

@Quality_Grapes

I know, but it's kind of fun tearing into him. I wish you can ignore/block people here, though.

@Quality_Grapes

I know, but it's kind of fun tearing into him. I wish you can ignore/block people here, though.

@Kimurah

It is actually worrying on a fundamental level how desperately obsessed you are with trying to be smarter than the author (and me, lmao), while makin the silliest observations possible.



Like what does this even mean. "it would be the basic work of a writer to establish the setting and the surroundings" that's what she's doing and you're still bitching?? lmfao.

The golem episode highlighted that Senshi puts in deliberate work to maintain the dungeon; in this episode, Marcille remarks that simply being adventurers contribute to the dungeon and that they themselves are part of the ecosystem. These are two similar but very different takes on the same theme (geez, it's almost like this show is about food in a dungeon). I remmeber that you didn't understand Chilchuck's character development in the mimic episode, so it's wild to try to get mad at the author for expanding upon the themes you would certainly be too dense to get on your own.

Like you are so fucking obsessed with trying to "out" the author as a "fraud", did Ryoko Kui fuck your dad or something?



The first episode made a big deal about how little supplies they have and how difficult eating monsters will be. The sorbet episode explicitly has the characters lament that everything would be easier if Falin were in the party because of her healing abilities and positive attitude.

No shit that not having a dedicated healer would make things harder. That's why they have to play it smart and make use of eating monsters to stay healthy. You didn't think shit. You were informed of this, you just refuse to pay attention.

You seem to have an extremely difficult time understanding that characters sometimes take risks, lol. "Why are they taking the riskier, but faster option in a time-sensitive mission? Why didn't they simply not lose to the dragon, like I would have???"

Also there is literally nothing stated about potions or balms. This isn't Final Fantasy, lmao.



Falin is being digested you complete tool. Did you forget about that? How do you think your critiques mean anything if you don't understand the basic premise of the story? All because, agian, you're a tool who thinks playing armchair dungeon explorer makes him a better writer than the author, lmfao.

I genuinely cannot understand why you actually, unironically think the characters facing conflict is bad writing. "duhhh, I knew being undersupplied and understaffed would mean things would be hard" Yeah???? That's what makes the fucking adventure interesting????

What do you think good writing is? You can't really think good writing is when characters make such "perfect", "I read the script" decisions that they never come into any form of trouble or conflict? Do you exclusively watch wish-fulfillment power fantasy isekai or something?

I cannot stress how genuinely stupid it is that you think if a challenge is presented in a story, the characters should fuck off and run away because that's the """smart""" thing to you. A story where either nothing happens because everyone's a little coward who won't do anything if they aren't armed with anything less than a WWII tank for a medieval dungeon or nothing interesting happens because "smart" characters read the script and are armed with WWII tanks for a medieval dungeon is what you think is "good writing".

@Sneasy Looking at the date of the comment I'd say it's too late to say this but don't waste your breath on that clown. Not the first, nor the last thread where he foams from his mouth trying to prove how the story he's mentally incapable of understanding is bad. Dude's obsessed with proving to his imaginary friends how he has superior taste and is literally the only person (when engaging in an argument) who allegedly can know what "good writing" is.
He's an Olympic champion when it comes to mental gymnastics.
To be serious though, that guy's obtuse with comprehension skills of a toddler. I mean I once argued with him about something incredibly basic. A detail the story basically spoon-feeds the audience, but this specimen kept drooling and shaking head in denial. If you say 2+2=4, he'd call you a Karen and a fanboy (limited dictionary on his part as usual). Just save your time and ignore. Arguing with an idiot is never productive.

@Sigmar-Unberogen

I see that my old faithful mutt is still angry and just cowardly keeps gossiping about me with other people for cheap validation.

Not that I expected better from you anyways, you always went out for cheap blows and strawman rather than actually debunk my statements.

@Kimurah Thought your resolve at ignoring me was adamant; guess someone's feeling lonely!
Cheap validation is your entire existence my friend, let's be real here. Not that I expected better from you anyways. You always go out for mental gymnastics over the most trivial things and continuously make it evident how full of shit you are.

I guess you enjoy being ridiculed over and over again, by more and more new people. Not that you'd figure out being a clown in million years though. That's how special you are. Arguing with you is like asking a drunk guy if they're drunk when they're sitting in their own vomit with a bottle of bourbon in hand. What's funnier is the same drunkard will call everyone a Karen or a rabid fanboy whenever they utter words like "damn, this guy's totally drunk!"

P.S Don't quote me again; especially after weeks and months, we crossed that bridge and know why you do it. If you want salvation however, do the following: Get a life. You're not impressing anyone here with your self-defined "master criticism", except for phantoms maybe. Every time you get any attention is when someone slips on your vomit and gets frustrated over drunkard's nonsensical mumbling. 1000+ watched anime clearly isn't helping your mental health either. FFS, do realize that people on forums can't help you get better. Seek professional help!

@Sneasy



Yet you still came in a hurry to bark at me because that's the only thing you do in this board.



It's exactly the same RANT about a self sustained enviroment. For real, you're trying so hard to demonstrate nothing with silly empty words.



See, this is your lousy defense any 5 year old uses, making false narratives and doing mental gymnastics as a retort. I'm not offended neither by the author's preferences nor your baby tantrums. The author can write whatever she wants. I can choose not to find her over excessively world building as interesting as actual character and story development like other pieces of fictions do.



More strawmen and butthurt tactics. Your poor ignorant little brain doesn't even understand what the words incel nor misogynistic means and you can't even create any kind of evidence to sustain your cheap slander.

Regarding towards her success I couldn't care any less. Good for her on selling mid fiction to the idiots. I know I also would do that if I would find the right chumps.



By all means, lecture us how the word Karen works. But then again your reputation as teacher is down on the drain when you don't even understand simple words like incel or mysogyny.
You're just throwing them around for cheap butthurt theatrics.



Yes, it works both ways. The author doesn't know neither you nor me exists, so there's no point in you to white knight for her and my criticism doesn't hurt her either. I pointed that in my previous post.



Because it was an observation nobody made before. Good lord, your 5 year old tantrums have no weight at all.



They are already waisting time by doing a harder route without a healer and provisions. This is simple risk management (something an ignorant with the smarts of an elementary schooler like you wouldn't know)

Going fully prepared would minimize the risks and would help them clear floors way faster. A week of preparation (asking for credit on supplies stores or getting a loan from big shots) and hiring a healer would do a massive difference in their progress that would easily compensate that week. The way they are doing their dungeon run is going with the minimal equipment/resources and waiting for luck to shine on their path (getting help from other healer party).



They could do both, get supplies and also pick resources from the dungeon, it doesn't have to be either one or the other. Getting both gives them the best chances of
survival.



Episode 9 already proved that if your party is carrying a healer they can resurrect you right on the spot and lose nothing (time, nor resources). That lowers the stakes to minimum.



Healing their wounds that were created by a magical being that pierced Marceille thru and thru by eating iron enriched foods sounds more ridiculous than
using medicine items that would at the very least prevent complications by sepsis. Also I never said they would get magical money (more cheap strawmen from your 5 year old mind)
The adult thing was from the very get go get a loan or sign an IOU with people running a supply store. We know this world still operated on IOUs since Namari also does dungeon runs in order to pay her late bills.



There's a massive difference between adventurers and suicidal idiots. We've been thru this topic several times.



It is contrived when there were MORE SENSIBLE OPTIONS before getting there. The characters just were lead there out of contrived wirting in order to
create a conflict to go for the classic "heroes' journey". All I'm saying is that there could had been a more thoghtful origin for the initial conflict for the expected heroes' journey



CREATING A SENSIBLE CONFLICT. Going full suicidal towards a dragon despite all the warnings they got by losing their supplies isn't sensible at all.



They aren't acting like actual people (or probably they are, just not rational people). Their endeavour from the very beginning was a suicide run on low resources and expect luck to get more resources from the dungeon.



Taking risks IS UNREASONABLE. But it's something a 5 year old that probably has never worked in their life wouldn't understand.



You are literally describing what dumb luck stands for. Preparing a trap to hunt A pray, get a better B pray by mere luck. Marcille's plan wasn't to hunt a bat, it was to hunt/harvest a mandrake with an unorthodox plan.
For real, I would advise to read your own verbal diahrrea, but you're already so dumbfounded and biased towards the author's writing that even if she created a magical turd that would save their day you would believe it just because she wrote it. That's why I call you a fanboy, you'll side with the author and kiss her feet (metaphorically) no matter what.



Chilchuk ran in circles without an actual plan to get rid of the mimic. The mimic was killed by coincidence by the door trap. That my ignorant and delusional friend IS DUMB LUCK.



Their plan didn't work, and it didn't provide actual food/nourishment for anyone in the party. It was a total waste of time for the party (not for the lampshding though).
Funny you keep saying that their time is precious but they keep going on "uncharted waters" when they should be playing it safe.



You're doing exactly that. That's pure hypocrisy.



It's called an analogy. An ignorant 5 year old like you wouldn't understand.



Yeah, keep thinking that you're somehow winning an argument on pure slander and delusions. Also I watch around 20 shows per season that cover all kinds of genres/demographics, not just isekai as you imply without any kind of evidence (just butthurt slander). I mentioned those 2 in particular because both shows had that particular mottif about SURVIVAL.



Your mental delusions are worrisome. You should really seek profesional mental help.