Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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| I waited a whole week for..this?! Least favorite episode by far here. I actually fell asleep when he was talking to the merchant purple haired girl. Talk about boring...zzzz. At least I know the next ep will be interesting since it ended on an exciting note. I understand what's going on and read all the details from the LN (makes more sense in my opinion), but it was still boring. Next! P.S. Poor Rem. She was better off with her dear sister! |
Connections said: Kaetokiha said: Yeah exploring other options. Let us see... "i'm here on this world that i know very little of, but i know some people who are going to get slaughtered and i want to help them. I can go around killing myself and make bets on a casino or i can talk to the most powerful people i got acquainted with and ask them for help." Which plan sounds more stupid to you? Notice he only talked with Anastasia by chance, he didn't went after her. He went after Priscilla because he had some time with her already and Crusch was helping him so they were his best bets. I would gamble a lot of money and hire the merc army. Whose leader by the way is self professed as being pretty greedy How in the world would you know she has an army? Oh yeah you only know because Subaru went around trying to find help instead of trying to make bets. Also, yeah i really think he would get enough money to make her to consider this deal. C'mon people, let's be real here. He didn't had any better choice at the time other than asking for help from those bitches. |
I despise woke people. |
AmejiHunter said: Kaetokiha said: Those girls are rich, why do you think they would want his money? Also how much money do you think he could gain in a short time? We never saw any casino on that world and it might not even exist. Also your logic is flawed...you called him a fool for going around asking the girls to help him, but we only know that Anastasi has an army because he talked to her in the first palace. So if he was trying to search for a casino to make bets from the beginning like you said he would never had talked to her and would never know she has an army. So with this we got back at hiring thugs...which is foolish. You're a wall. I didn't agree with them, but them and I sorta agreed with some points and still disagree on some. All I've seen you do is denying all they say without really thinking about it. Of course i'm disagreeing. They are calling him a foll and coming up with foolish ideas. Why do i have to agree with them? |
| I despise woke people. |
| The previous four episodes have proven just how much of a scumbag Subaru is. Emilia didn't ask for him to kill himself billions of times for her, she didn't ask for anything, but he still went ahead, dead set on her like a tiger stalking their prey. All he really wants to do is get "muh hot elf girl" and feel like a badass hero. He doesn't care about the well-being of anyone else. Emilia is just an object to him, as is Rem. All Rem and the village were to him were just a means to attain better standing with his perfect waifu. Same with Felt, and virtually everyone else in the show. He doesn't give a shit about the villagers. He's said because he failed to protect them, and by proxy he's failed Emilia, and she's going to hate him even more. Same with Rem's death. It's so blatantly fucking obvious. Everything he does is perfectly calculated to improve his relationship with Emilia, akin to a worthless NEET coldly plowing through a visual novel, which makes perfect sense, considering his previous life. His "selfless" nature is just self-masturbatory selfishness in disguise, further worsened by his entitlement to any sort of gratitude from the people he "saves," as if they owed him anything in return. Furthermore, the fact that he FAKED a mental breakdown is the cherry on top. They just fail to see how narrow-sighted and vapid he really is. "Haven't I already told you Natsuki Subaru? If your own lies do not convince you, they will not convince others. Because not once have you said you want to save Emilia." Crusch spells it out. Subaru doesn't do jack shit for anyone other than his own ego. "What you just displayed was neither loyalty nor devotion. It was the dependency of a dog or the greed of a pig that knows only its own desires!" Priscilla lays it all out. Subaru doesn't treat others as people. Only as objects of need or desire. And his inability to recognize the humanity others deserve makes him a beast himself. And how does Subaru respond? "Stuck up bitch forgot I saved her when we first met." The narrative is drawing a parallel to every interaction and forming of relationships Subaru has had. It is a direct call back to both his rationalization that Emilia "owes him a debt she could never hope to repay" and a direct call back to him "rescuing" Rem, where afterwards him and Emilia discuss if he even saved her, or even was responsible for her harm in the first place. "If you want to convince someone you are righteous, you need to show them something of merit. I see no such thing in you, Natsuki Subaru." And Anastasia delivers the coup de grace for Subaru and the viewer. Subaru pretends he's the noble hero of a light novel or video game based on his own sense if self-righteousness. And the otaku viewer who has been self-inserting into Subaru this entire time, and probably sputtering outrage at these "bitches and whores who just don't understand what a Nice Guy Subaru is and how much he sacrifices for them" is left in a state of impotent rage like Subaru is. |
RolandTheOtaku said: Subaru was really dumb in this episode. He wanted everything but could not offer anything in return at the negotiation table to Emilia's rivals. .... He was not trying to negotiate with them he was just asking for help. If have someone in your family in a bad state and you needed help would go trying to negotiate with people? No, you would be expecting that someone would help you without asking for something...that's the same thing. |
| I despise woke people. |
| Subaru's humiliated and fooled experience from the 3 candidates could be use, once he reset, then negotiate again. Cause now he know that was how the kind of negotiation with each of them. So yeah looking forward for the reset, though the whale, I don't know how he will die so he can reset. |
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AmejiHunter said: Kaetokiha said: .... He was not trying to negotiate with them he was just asking for help. If have someone in your family in a bad state and you needed help would go trying to negotiate with people? No, you would be expecting that someone would help you without asking for something...that's the same thing. No it's not the same thing. Emilia is a candidate for the royal election, and so are they. He's literally asking them to help their enemy. Of course he has to negotiate. And he WAS trying to negotiate, but he doesn't know how to. No, the candidates see this is a political problem and are not willing to help another candidate, but this is not what Subaru see. Not only Emilia (the candidate) is going to die, but all the villagers too. He doesn't care about the election he just wants to save the villagers and everyone else. He is not from that world, of course his vision of it is different from them. So he is just asking for help. |
| I despise woke people. |
AmejiHunter said: Kaetokiha said: .... He was not trying to negotiate with them he was just asking for help. If have someone in your family in a bad state and you needed help would go trying to negotiate with people? No, you would be expecting that someone would help you without asking for something...that's the same thing. No it's not the same thing. Emilia is a candidate for the royal election, and so are they. He's literally asking them to help their enemy. Of course he has to negotiate. And he WAS trying to negotiate, but he doesn't know how to. He wasn't trying to negotiate until Crusch brought it up he expected that she automatically help out of kindness, Subaru was just an idiot who still doesn't understand the world he is in. |
Connections said: Ok firstly "Maybe you if stop taking context out of his actions just because you don't like them, maybe you would actually understand something" is a personal insult again me, rather than "You are taking things out of context" which is much shorter and without implying anything against me. Telling what you're doing is not an insult. That's telling you how your message is coming across. If it is not true then prove those Suabru wasn't reacting happening to him and is just reacting randomly. Second, the thing with Elsa and the assassins. Ok I don't agree with his concept of "They need me there" perhaps because I think the clown, the mage, the spirit familiar, and pretty much every knight in the realm could fend off the assassins he is making up. Except Emilia was attack and killed along with multiple times. Not said assassin told him she was hired by someone to do it. So no it his imagination, nor was that his point. The fact of the matter he somebody is targeting Emilia and they can strike from anywhere with any means they can such as the use of curses. They don't have be as direct as hired literal black clad to do it. Yes he has stated that he is pathetic, on multiple occasions, once after the fight at the forest when he was with Emilia (and she had to confort him) and once after when he got knocked out by Wilhelm and is in her lap. Once again taking his comments out of context with no respect to situations he was in. Using situations where he rightfully depressed about because of circumstances that he was in that happened so far apart from each other to say he's bipolar is idiotic. Being bipolar just means you go through depressive lows punctuated with manic highs. Aside from learning it in a psychology class, google has pretty good definition. Then by the way your appling everyone bipolar because they happy sometimes and they re sad sometimes instead of being intervals and a direct result of they environment. I am taking things in context, I'm also saying that he is going through very expressive states and very depressed states (which you seem to think I'm saying it's his fault... but I'm just saying I'd prefer he use his experiences to better his situation rather than digging himself deeper). All of his emotion state are have been as direct result of his chaotic circumstances none of them are random nor unwanted. You're looking for some stoic personalitness badass who can only emote in two way look elsewhere. |
| Oh boy, I wasn't actually expecting to enjoy this episode as much as I did, but WF did a really nice job with each candidate's scene. Crusch scene: ah, the pathetic negotiation scene where Subaru had nothing to offer, did not understand the position he was in, could not give a persuasive argument, had his intentions questioned and even tried to represent Emilia without ever being given the authority to do so. It was only natural that he ended up being utterly destroyed by Crusch's perceptiveness and cold logic. Priscilla scene: it's a bit of a shame we didn't get a glimpse of Priscilla's fire magic, but that savage display of brute force when Priscilla tossed Subaru all the way to the other side of the room in her rage was just epic! Anastasia scene: by far my favorite scene in this part of the LN, and it was even better animated. While some may criticize her deceitfulness and condescension, think about it: Anastasia was true to her word and even taught Subaru a very valuable lesson after getting the information she wanted out of him. Without her, Subaru wouldn't even had had the means to travel back to Roswaal's estate, so she is essentially the only candidate out of the three to have provided him with some concrete help. Also, if you're observant, you would notice even before the reveal that every single person at the tavern was one of her subordinates, since all were dressed the same as Mimi. In the LN, it's impossible to know this until she addresses them and all of a sudden everyone just ups and leaves, so this was a really nice touch. I really love how elaborately she set up that little "talk." One wrong move, and Subaru would have been slaughtered on the spot, not that Mimi couldn't have handed him his ass on her own. Lol, Anastasia is so badass. Subaru coming face to face (or eye to eye?) with the white whale was a nice way to end the episode. Next episode is going to be another high point for this arc. Really look forward to it. 4/5 for this one, but only because it doesn't quite reach the heights of the best episodes. |
AmejiHunter said: In Subaru's perspective is asking help but in the perspective of the 3 candidates and her people thats a negotiation. So still its a negotiation in their perspective, a request but youll give an equal amount someting in return, even its just asking help to defeat the cult.Kaetokiha said: .... He was not trying to negotiate with them he was just asking for help. If have someone in your family in a bad state and you needed help would go trying to negotiate with people? No, you would be expecting that someone would help you without asking for something...that's the same thing. No it's not the same thing. Emilia is a candidate for the royal election, and so are they. He's literally asking them to help their enemy. Of course he has to negotiate. And he WAS trying to negotiate, but he doesn't know how to. |
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| ah shit the title of this show really should change to the Suffering of Subaru if only Reinhard wasn't a way this would of solved a lot of things. way to beat a man while hes down they really showed how much of a worthless scumbag Subaru really is when he becomes so desperate if only those other candidates, knew..not one not two but three failed negotiations and all candidates saw was someone with pure hatred and nothing of real value to gain by helping,why now do they have to have logic in their thinking lol |
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AmejiHunter said: Kaetokiha said: No, the candidates see this is a political problem and are not willing to help another candidate, but this is not what Subaru see. Not only Emilia (the candidate) is going to die, but all the villagers too. He doesn't care about the election he just wants to save the villagers and everyone else. So he is just asking for help. I know Subaru doesn't care about the election, but he knows they do. He might not have known when asking for Crusch's help, but she clearly told him that Emilia was her enemy, and that she wouldn't help him if her doing something wouldn't change anything ( Emilia would still stop the election if she didn't help ). From that point, he knew for sure. So yes, that was negotiation. He knew it was negotiation from when Crusch asked if there was anything for her. And what he would offer to her? His soul? His useless cellphone which i'm 100% sure she wouldn't be interested? He doesn't have shit. He doesn't have enough time to save them, he doesn't have money, he is not skillful, he can't fight...he is a fucking nerd. What would you offer to her in his situation? He is just desperate trying to get help. He agreeing in licking Priscilla's feet was his way to negotiate with her. |
| I despise woke people. |
AmejiHunter said: Indeed me too, the 3candidates got a spotlight here, and their character had been fleshed out. And as for subaru, he can't just ask them a request, as if its just a normal because its a negotiation with them and just accept it.Raven_Wingz said: I waited a whole week for..this?! Least favorite episode by far here. I actually fell asleep when he was talking to the merchant purple haired girl. Talk about boring...zzzz. At least I know the next ep will be interesting since it ended on an exciting note. I understand what's going on, but it was still boring. Next! P.S. Poor Rem. She was better off with her dear sister! That episode was one of the best for this arc tho... Why should every episode get super gore at every minute? While I like that part of the show, this episode was extremely interesting with all that character development. If you want non-stop gore shit, go watch Tokyo Ghoul. |
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| Subaru once again proved he was an idiot when he said "I saved her" (Priscilla). You'd think that her mega kick to his face would have made him realize she's 100+x times stronger than she looks. xD Even he was able to put up those 3 thugs in one episode... |
Whayle said: His "selfless" nature is just self-masturbatory selfishness in disguise, further worsened by his entitlement to any sort of gratitude from the people he "saves," as if they owed him anything in return. Furthermore, the fact that he FAKED a mental breakdown is the cherry on top. They just fail to see how narrow-sighted and vapid he really is. Your post was one of the better reads in this thread and I agree with a lot of it. But, again, since the point of this arc appears to be expose everything unsightly about Subaru's personality, I really don't see it as a flaw. Self-insert otaku no doubt do, and people that just wanted to enjoy watching a lovable goofball, but I'm looking forward to the flipside of this characterisation. Nothing he's done is irredeemable and it impresses me the author is going this far to explore a previously largely 1D character. Everything Subaru does for others is ultimately for himself, yes, but that's true of everyone on this planet when not being conceited. The attitudes of the three bitch candidates should have highlighted that people do not do for others without gain, emotional or otherwise. Most people just aren't in a situation where they can go to such extremes. I could say the same of Reinhard from LotGH: he initially did everything he did just to get to his sister; using people as pawns in an intergalactic war, even. He helps Emilia because he wants her affection. He helped Rem/Ram to edge toward his goal. The same with the villagers. But that doesn't mean he's entirely selfish: he was nice to Rem at the end of the 2nd arc because he was genuine with his feelings about her sister complex. He played with the kids because he likes the kids. He cried when seeing people he knew dead because he cared. He's hardly the psychopath you paint him to be, just because he masks his desires with selflessness. His attitude and reactions towards others is frustration with himself and everyone around him mocking him. He doesn't know what to do, or how to do it, and that's coming out in rage. And, ofc, his unusually obstinate pride is making him defensive, worsening these interactions. |
AironicallyHumanJul 17, 2016 6:34 PM
Connections said: For your first point. Take things in context. He is willing to kiss Priscilia's foot for a bit of help and she didn't even offer any. Anastasia handed him a piece of paper that would help him and made a fool of him. At that point what exactly is the purpose of antagonizing someone who has taught you a lesson and offered you help? (Priscilia made a fool of him and didn't even help him, so Anastasia is really a step up from there). Because the way she did directly antagonized him. I mean I'm sorry but come on. Don't be thick. For your second point. No one is expecting him to be perfect on his first try. But he has an ability that allows him to try and try again. Failure is a part of life, but so is learning. He didn't seem to have learned anything from his fight with Julius or his rant during the ceremony Course he didn't partily because nobody actually understands his cirmcumstances. Despite what you might believe issue isn't he's wrong. The problem he's doing the right things in the wrong way partially because he is emotional. None should seriously blame after what he just witness and went through. Futhermore he actually seeking help with his problem and realize so he's already learning you are still just whining that he failed anyway because he didn't expect the candidates to be as cold as they were instead more like Reinhard. |
| New ending is very nice. White Fox skip it plus the opening half the time, which is commendable, but sometimes I'd rather just get an ending. |
~||Sky of the Night Light||~  |
| While Subaru made some headway with cleverly paying merchants to help transport people, that whale was something that surprised me. My only problem at this point is the fact that we hardly ever get any type of payoff, emotional or otherwise. It's starting to get really stressful. I sincerely hope that in the end, Subaru can get back at every single person that has tricked, lied, and disrespected him. |
AmejiHunter said: Kaetokiha said: And what he would offer to her? His soul? His useless cellphone which i'm 100% sure she wouldn't be interested? He doesn't have shit. He doesn't have enough time to save them, he doesn't have money, he is not skillful, he can't fight...he is fucking nerd. What would you offer to her in his situation? He is just desperate trying to get help. He ageing in licking Priscilla's feet was his way to negotiate with her. What is that line of questioning? How does that have any connection with what I said? I didn't say he should've offered something. I just said he knew it was a negotiation. You're way too stuck up on your own opinion to just try and think/understand what others say, huh? Trying to get back at me or something? You are saying he knows it's a negotiation and i'm saying he doesn't have anything to offer, but still needs help. What he should do? Go back and cry in a corner? He merely tried to convince them with the arguments that people would die. He is not wrong in trying this, he is just being naive thinking these girls are going to do anything that doesn't benefit them. You are just coming with the problem all the time, but never with a solution. Any idiot can do that. Tell me what would you do better than him? |
| I despise woke people. |
Kaetokiha said: AmejiHunter said: I know Subaru doesn't care about the election, but he knows they do. He might not have known when asking for Crusch's help, but she clearly told him that Emilia was her enemy, and that she wouldn't help him if her doing something wouldn't change anything ( Emilia would still stop the election if she didn't help ). From that point, he knew for sure. So yes, that was negotiation. He knew it was negotiation from when Crusch asked if there was anything for her. And what he would offer to her? His soul? His useless cellphone which i'm 100% sure she wouldn't be interested? He doesn't have shit. He doesn't have enough time to save them, he doesn't have money, he is not skillful, he can't fight...he is a fucking nerd. What would you offer to her in his situation? He is just desperate trying to get help. He agreeing in licking Priscilla's feet was his way to negotiate with her. THANK YOU. Goddamn. I mean he might have been able to go about it better if he had more, time resources and didn't just snap back to sanity after wittnessing something nobody should have to go though but that was clearly not the case. |
AmejiHunter said: Damn, relax man. The MC is unlikable, but I somehow like him being unlikable... Does that make sense? only if you able to point what is the unlikable about him that you like!!! and Idiotproofninja you make it sound like he was going into a market to buy a refrigerator, going through different shops to "explore his options".... usually in negations a deal would be offered once you either leave it or take and i don't think our friend suburu here have the luxury of "exploring other options" at the end his objective is saving Emilia and the residents. he can deal with what coming afterwards. Everything will be pointless if Emilia died anyway. Also i don't think there is too much "stupidity" in seeking assistance without having something to offer. i mean he at least "tried" right? its not unusual for rulers to help other countries (specially in old times) without compensations... sometimes only for the fact that said rulers only wants to look good in the eye of their people or maybe make the other party owe them. buuuuuuut that usually works when real men in control and not a bunch of selfish throne-hungry bitches (come at me feminists!!!). Another thing to note is the feet-licking scene. there was something similar in Vinland saga manga, i thought the MC reaction was heroic there but it was viewed here as something too humiliating, i guess it all depends on writer perspective at the end. this my only complain about this episode. |
| This ep was very informative hope Subaru will realizes it and puts it to good use for next time he respawns lol |
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AironicallyHuman said: Whayle said: His "selfless" nature is just self-masturbatory selfishness in disguise, further worsened by his entitlement to any sort of gratitude from the people he "saves," as if they owed him anything in return. Furthermore, the fact that he FAKED a mental breakdown is the cherry on top. They just fail to see how narrow-sighted and vapid he really is. Your post was one of the better reads in this thread and I agree with a lot of it. But, again, since the point of this arc appears to be expose everything unsightly about Subaru's personality, I really don't see it as a flaw. Self-insert otaku no doubt do, and people that just wanted to enjoy watching a lovable goofball, but I'm looking forward to the flipside of this characterisation. Nothing he's done is irredeemable and it impresses me the author is going this far to explore a previously largely 1D character. Everything Subaru does for others is ultimately for himself, yes, but that's true of everyone on this planet when not being conceited. The attitudes of the three bitch candidates should have highlighted that people do not do for others without gain, emotional or otherwise. Most people just aren't in a situation where they can go to such extremes. I could say the same of Reinhard from LotGH: he initially did everything he did just to get to his sister; using people as pawns in an intergalactic war, even. He helps Emilia because he wants her affection. He helped Rem/Ram to edge toward his goal. The same with the villagers. But that doesn't mean he's entirely selfish: he was nice to Rem at the end of the 2nd arc because he was genuine with his feelings about her sister complex. He played with the kids because he likes the kids. He cried when seeing people he knew dead because he cared. He's hardly the psychopath you paint him to be, just because he masks his desires with selflessness. His attitude and reactions towards others is frustration with himself and everyone around him mocking him. He doesn't know what to do, or how to do it, and that's coming out in rage. And, ofc, his unusually obstinate pride is making him defensive, worsening these interactions. Reinhard isn't Lelouch, his sister was one of his goals but he also wanted to be a good emperor |
| sometimes i really hate this MC |
| Scream! |
| Then again it could be the "curse" making him crazy and corrupted (red eyes), so maybe it's not even his fault that he is not only now stupid, but also insane. :( |
AmejiHunter said: Kaetokiha said: Trying to get back at me or something? You are saying he knows it's a negotiation and i'm saying he doesn't have anything to offer, but still needs help. What he should do? Go back and cry in a corner? He merely tried to convince them with the arguments that people would die. He is not wrong in trying this, he is just being naive thinking these girls are going to do anything that doesn't benefit them. You are just coming with the problem all the time, but never with a solution. Any idiot can do that. Tell me what would you do better than him? Why would I be trying to get back at you? I'm not saying he's wrong in trying, and I'm not saying he's not naive. You were saying he didn't see it as a negotiation while he clearly did, and you're saying he's not a fool. I showed enough proof to deny that. Why would I have to find a solution? I'm not Subaru, and there ie ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I could understand what he's living, because I'm NOT an anime character and I haven'T lived what he did. I only said that what you said was wrong and brought out proof. I haven't ever discussed what Subaru did, but only what you said. Once again, you're obviously making me say things I haven't said, and that's the problem there is arguing with you. You're so stuck up in your argument that when you don't have anything to add, you make others say things they haven't said. EDIT: And why should I find a solution? It wouldn't even have any effect. Wait...you showed me the proof that he is a fool? Can you point that for me because i didn't get it the first time it seems. You are telling me he is a fool for what he is doing and i'm telling you he is not and i'm telling you why i think so. If you say he is a fool for trying all of this, i'm expecting you to come up with a better solution. It's easy to say someone is dumb for not knowing a match problem while not knowing the math problem yourself. I said he was not negotiating because he didn't even had the mind to do that, he just went to ask for help because he was desperate. You know that very well. I'm justifying his actions and nothing you said so far proof anything. |
| I despise woke people. |
Whayle said: Reinhard isn't Lelouch, his sister was one of his goals but he also wanted to be a good emperor Well, aside from the obvious in Light Yagami, Reinhard probably influenced Lelouch's characterisation the most. The sister complex aspect, at least. Reinhard was always very juvenile in anything other than warfare, and his desire to rule the galaxy was also his ego at work. But before his red-headed best friend that had the maturity he lacked *spoiler*, his entire motivation was this: "nobles are kunts, they took my sister, I'll attain power and overthrow them/get my sister back". It was for himself, not the good of all. Not trying to derail thread into a LotGH argument: my point is, even the best of characters have selfish desires that are masked by selflessness. |
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