The Justice Ministry in Japan are exposed for forcing the deletion of videos of hate speech

Feb 14, 2016 5:15 PM

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The Justice Ministry has been confirmed to be censoring tyrants by removing videos of Zaitokukai protests.

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The worst thing is that they missed out on the opportunity to keep an eye on this group and it's members, as identities were shown just in case they actually do a hate crime, one of the main reasons why I like freedom of speech in the first place. Also, having something like this also makes the public aware that these folks that are spreading tyranny exist and removing it will make people go into denial that the issue exists and the Zaitokukai will go unchecked which is dangerous. Free speech keeps hate groups in check, censorship makes them go out of control.

Feb 14, 2016 8:02 PM

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This is tyranny? Yeah right.

Feb 15, 2016 11:13 AM

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Well, for some people these kinds of loud speech are not really giving positive views.
But, I wonder if there's a better way for the speech?
Just outright saying people are cockroaches and killing them, they are not actually going to say that in the people's faces someday don't they?
Some people might actually love living in this country they are not really from, so they don't want to leave.

What I'm sad about this rally is that it's losing its kindness.

I'm not really sure if censoring this is right or wrong anymore.
But isn't it more important to do something about the rally itself?

I'm thinking too naive about this though.

Feb 15, 2016 11:35 AM

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People who say hate crime without hints of sarcasm should be sent to a gulag.

Feb 15, 2016 11:47 AM

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rladls717 said:
Well, for some people these kinds of loud speech are not really giving positive views.
But, I wonder if there's a better way for the speech?
Just outright saying people are cockroaches and killing them, they are not actually going to say that in the people's faces someday don't they?
Some people might actually love living in this country they are not really from, so they don't want to leave.

What I'm sad about this rally is that it's losing its kindness.

I'm not really sure if censoring this is right or wrong anymore.
But isn't it more important to do something about the rally itself?

I'm thinking too naive about this though.

It's not right in this case despite them being an utter nuisance, it's also a bit of a fine line, it seems close to inciting violence but it's not quite there, having law enforcement watching them is the best idea at this point, it's a pretty large group and need to be kept in check so they don't cause a lot of trouble.

There could be a better way of conducting their rallies without resorting to having rhetoric that to most incites violence, but the problem is, it might be too late for a tone change and should've been addressed way sooner.

Feb 15, 2016 12:02 PM

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This is governmental censorship and it shouldn't be a thing.

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Feb 15, 2016 12:03 PM

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is tyranny hoppy's most commonly used word

Feb 15, 2016 2:33 PM

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Zeally said:
is tyranny hoppy's most commonly used word

Lol, I thought I was the only noticing that.

OT: It is up to the one in charge to either shut such idiots or allow them,but as you said monitor their activities.

Feb 15, 2016 2:45 PM

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Zeally said:
is tyranny hoppy's most commonly used word

You're late at the party.

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Feb 15, 2016 3:05 PM

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Abe's Track Record so far.

Northern Territory Dispute = Fail.
Abduction Issue = Fail.
Economic Growth = Fail.
Abenomics = Fail.
2% Inflation Rate = Fail.
Wage Growth = Fail.

Feb 15, 2016 3:15 PM

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ichii_1 said:
Abe's Track Record so far.

Northern Territory Dispute = Fail.
Abduction Issue = Fail.
Economic Growth = Fail.
Abenomics = Fail.
2% Inflation Rate = Fail.
Wage Growth = Fail.

Now we can add Protecting freedom of speech in the list of fails.

Abe is pretty much is a terrible PM, even worse than Obama and up there with Bush, at least he's better than the UN.

Feb 15, 2016 3:22 PM

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Hoppy said:

ichii_1 said:
Abe's Track Record so far.

Northern Territory Dispute = Fail.
Abduction Issue = Fail.
Economic Growth = Fail.
Abenomics = Fail.
2% Inflation Rate = Fail.
Wage Growth = Fail.

Now we can add Protecting freedom of speech in the list of fails.

Abe is pretty much is a terrible PM, even worse than Obama and up there with Bush, at least he's better than the UN.

look at is colation parters for that hes not outright leader over all hes pm but not on a proper mandate

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Feb 15, 2016 7:06 PM

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DateYutaka said:

Hoppy said:

Now we can add Protecting freedom of speech in the list of fails.

Abe is pretty much is a terrible PM, even worse than Obama and up there with Bush, at least he's better than the UN.

look at is colation parters for that hes not outright leader over all hes pm but not on a proper mandate

More excuses I see. What do you think about Hatoyama? I mean is he still worse than Abe?

No way to recall
What it was that you had said to me
Like I care at all
But it was so loud
And you sure could yell
You took a stand on every little thing
And it was so loud

Feb 15, 2016 7:27 PM

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Hoppy said:
The Justice Ministry has been confirmed to be censoring tyrants by removing videos of Zaitokukai protests.

And? Hate speech is not protected in many countries. And Zaitokukai has shown that they are a group of hateful thugs who have no sense of decency when they protested in front of elementary schools. They lost a lawsuit back in 2013 for traumatizing the children there, and deserving so. Protest should be protected, but in a civil society the protests should be civil. Zaitokukai is not.

Many of the ultra nationalists organizations in Japan are protection rackets, not legitimate protest groups. They extort money from the people they say they are protesting. This is why when they protest they use those extremely loud sound trucks and intimidate everyone around them. Watch the video (you can see it on Youtube), they force the elementary school to close its gates and then screamed and ranted as if they were going to go in and attack.

Feb 15, 2016 7:37 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:

Hoppy said:
The Justice Ministry has been confirmed to be censoring tyrants by removing videos of Zaitokukai protests.

Which is why oversight is needed, to keep them from stepping out of line. As for the racketeering part, it sounds like typical Yakuza activity, not a good reason to censor anything but a good reason for law enforcement to get involved as that kind of activity is harmful regardless.

Feb 15, 2016 7:52 PM

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Hoppy said:
Which is why oversight is needed, to keep them from stepping out of line. As for the racketeering part, it sounds like typical Yakuza activity, not a good reason to censor anything but a good reason for law enforcement to get involved as that kind of activity is harmful regardless.

And oversight is being applied.

"Censoring", hate speech legislation exists in most countries, including the United States, Canada, and Europe. Japan is extremely liberal when it comes to speech, so liberal that the United Nations has repeatedly condemned the Japanese government for not acting against it.

Now, I am generally opposed to hate law legislation, but speech when directed from an adult to a child has never been considered "free speech", and Zaitokukai stepped over that line. Protest is something between adults, Zaitokukai violated that right.

Feb 15, 2016 7:53 PM

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Syndromic said:

DateYutaka said:

look at is colation parters for that hes not outright leader over all hes pm but not on a proper mandate

More excuses I see. What do you think about Hatoyama? I mean is he still worse than Abe?

im no fan of abe hes to far right for me and budding up with the KLP iks me even more

Feb 15, 2016 9:29 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:

Hoppy said:
The Justice Ministry has been confirmed to be censoring tyrants by removing videos of Zaitokukai protests.

Oh, right I remember there are news about how the protesters made elementary school children cry there.
Like I said, it is losing its kindness, really sad, there's no trace of kindness that make other people try to understand their feelings, it is hard to listen to those people when being too offensive and using too harsh words in most times.

Recently, I begin to understand the protesters feelings why they are doing what they are doing.
It might not have been near 100% hatred from the start.
It is true that many Koreans hates Japanese whether it is for good reasons and not good reasons.
So I understand why do some Koreans still live in the country they hate.
I don't know about anything else more though.

They are also somehow being used by the government for political benefits after all.

Well, it is better to be known wide to have other unrelated people to be cautious just in case, so I guess I agree not to delete the video.

Feb 16, 2016 12:26 PM

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rladls717 said:
Recently, I begin to understand the protesters feelings why they are doing what they are doing.....It is true that many Koreans hates Japanese whether it is for good reasons and not good reasons. So I understand why do some Koreans still live in the country they hate.
I don't know about anything else more though..

The relationship between Korea and Japan is very long and complicated, with plenty of blame on both sides of the channel. Yes Japan colonized Korea, but the Korean elites actions before then are hardly complimentary to the Korean people. It's easy to blame Japan, but if not for Japan Korea would still be a Chinese colony (or Russian), and relatively speaking, Korean's were better off with Japanese rulers than they would have been with their own native elites or Russia or China. Had not North Korea invaded, both Korea's had a much better infrastructure in place than what remained in Japan after WWII. It's not Japan's fault that the Korean's, and their various allies, destroyed it all.

Did the Japanese in and after 1938 try to destroy Korean culture, yes. But before then Japan promoted Korean culture, including founding the first Hangul newspaper in Korea. Hangul, a wonderful Korean invention, was never widely used because the Korean elites didn't want their subjects to be literate, Japan thought otherwise.

As for the Koreans in Japan. Most of the blame lies with the Japanese in 1) bringing them to Japan as near slave labor, 2) the blatant racism that existed in Japan from the 1910's - the 1990's, and 3) because of the Japanese requirement that anyone who nationalizes has to give up their own culture (including taking a Japanese name). So it is understandable that the Korean community in Japan that has assimilated retains a great deal of hostility.

That said, the reason most don't leave is because they are still economically better in Japan than they would be in Korea. So as time passes, the blame increases on the Korean side, particularly since so many of them are pro North Korean. Ethnic pride aside, that is just wrong, and maintaining that stance when so many Korean are starved to death and the North acts more and more belligerent does not increase one's sympathy for your plight.

So I can understand Japanese protest against Koreans. But Zaitokukai does not represent that protest. One only needs to watch their videos to understand that they are thugs. Which makes one think that the Japanese government should keep them up as a symbol, but as I said above, Japan was under a lot of international pressure to remove them.

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