Cross Ange: Tenshi to Ryuu no Rondo Episode 25 Discussion

FloydBt said:
You know, a lot of people here are comparing Cross Ange to Aldnoah.Zero and saying A/Z sucks compared to Cross Ange. My question to you is.....based on what? Character development? In what universe does constant character rewrites count as character development? Plot consistency? Haha. Man, this isn't even a genderbender anime and yet they can't even keep the genders straight. Sunrise seriously forgot that Aura is a MAN and all massive dragons are MALES when they picked a FEMALE voice for him.

burningfire52 said:
I have a question

In the end, are there still two worlds or just one? Momoka asked what will become of the other world, so does that mean the world Ange is living on and the world Sylvia is on are separate?. I thought that Embryo created two worlds from one and destroying him would have returned the worlds to their original state.

Theorder14 said:
So Tusk is the only male on the new earth? lol

LazerEyeBeam said:
So many plot holes, why does Ange mom know the song and has one of the rings unless the ring she had was actually the one Jill lost, or she was one of Embryo women. In face it would be funny if Embryo was actually Ange father considering he had special taste.

konatachan80 said:

Nobody forced you to watch if you didn't want to.

..so I guess you didn't have anything better to do with your lives than watching a
series you hate/didn't like :)

TiamatNM said:


Aldnoah Zero just isn't much fun. The characters are super bland and the plot isn't good enough to make up for it. Not sure what you mean by "constant character rewrites" because I think the characters in Cross Ange had believable character development and their actions made sense for their character. I can't say the same for that moron Slaine in Aldnoah. As for Aura's gender I honestly don't care, it's not important. There are tons of male anime characters with female voices anyway. It's a super minor issue.

Course I didn't watch season 2 of Aldnoah cause I'm not into the whole hate watching thing.



Embryo was trying to fuse the two worlds into a new one. They stopped him so the status quo of having two worlds was maintained. Ange is in dragon world and her little sister is in the "human" side.

FloydBt said:


Just use Ange as an example regarding what she wanted to do to her world after she escaped execution.

In the cell with Hilda: Let's burn down the world together!
After Jill offered her a chance of join Libertus: Nah, I think I actually like doing what I been doing, despite that being contradicted by every previous episodes
After Tusk and Momoka respawned: I can't let God have his way. It is a shitty world, but I love it!
Back at Aura: Nah, not gonna let God have his way
To Hilda: We are gonna destroy the world together after this!
Chance to kill loli bitch: Nah, I am gonna toughten her up so she can live
After the war: I don't care what happens to that world

The same she was after she discovered that Dragons were actually humans.

To Jill: (Vomits) I am never gonna kill them ever again or pilot Villkiss!
After Salako appeared: Wanted to go back to the way things were and attacked her
When offered a chance to fight together after they reconciled: What if it is a lie?
In Aura: Come on, Jill! Whatcha waiting for? Go! Go! Dragon alliance!


Slaine, on the other hand, is remarkably consistent. Look at his actions after putting a hole in Inaho since that is when people really called him a freaking idiot.

Who is most likely to have the technology to save his love? Who is most likely going to win this war? Vers, obviously. Who is most likely willing to protect Asseylum? The people that need her royal blood (Vers). Would the Vers forces heed her calls to make peace? Obviously, no. Does Vers still desperately need Earth's resources? Yes. Notice a pattern?

ramenshojo said:
If I badmouth the show without finishing it, I'd have a pretty uninformed opinion. So I made a conscious decision to witness the fall of Cross Ange and would certainly not recommend this series to anyone.

ramenshojo said:



Didn't feel like quitting at episode 15. The first 13 eps were great, thought that maybe the show would redeem itself towards the end. Instead it turned to shit.

If I badmouth the show without finishing it, I'd have a pretty uninformed opinion. So I made a conscious decision to witness the fall of Cross Ange and would certainly not recommend this series to anyone.

I think everyone should have the freedom to bitch about a series (in moderation), but petty insults like yours are just sad.
Some people just don't like this show. Get over it.

ASTRO999 said:


Yeah that was srsly bugging me too :D :D only hole in otherwise nice ending.

MgMaster said:


You kind of misjudged Ange's character my friend. She was "cross" at the mana world for the way they treated her but she also took a liking to the normas at Arzenal & Tusk, which made up her world.

She did seem to be a little into revenge initially but Hilda brought her back down to earth then & there, asking how the heck are the two of them supposed to do that? Ange knew they couldn't, at least not then & there. Revenge might've been nice but protecting her world was much more important to her. I also think that she was mainly caught up in the heat of the moment - it can happen to everyone.

Then came the offer to join Libertus, which she might've accepted despite not liking Jill, but with it also came the reveal of the dragons being humans and the realization that she's gonna be used as a tool to fulfill Jill's plans. Ange HATED being used and she felt betrayed once again.

Is it that wrong to have a change of heart if things aren't like you thought they were? Especially when the desire for something wasn't that strong in the 1st place, and like I said, revenge was never a priority for Ange, just something that she might've enjoyed. A bonus, not a necessity.

Feeling betrayed by the mana society & then knowing that Jill wanted to use her as a tool can be enough to make someone simply not give a fuck anymore, especially when she had like no time to think things over until she went to the dragon's world. But she couldn't live alone either and she still had her own circle that she cared about. It's when that very circle is threatened that she takes up the leadership mantle but that was out of necessity.

Ange IS consistent as her personality remains mostly the same throughout the show ever since her fall from "grace" as a racist hime of the mana society - she just start's opening up more to a few people, which is perfectly normal.

What you wanted is for her is apparently to have a consistent goal to pursue, like Slaine did, but she did not. If you want, you can consider looking out for herself & her close ones, which includes the world they inhabit, to be her goal, but it's a goal to actively pursue only when something's threatening them.

Ratohnhaketon said:
Cross Ange knows how to go out with style and finesse. It teaches us the greatest lesson of all - that shit is tough and you gotta chin up and deal with it. What's more, it taught us that simply not giving a fuck is the best way to show you care. Magnificent, I can only admire Ange and her lecture to Embryo about why he couldn't get no pussay. Well, without raping of course. That waifu collector wasn't worthy of Angelise-sama. Loved the speech about the norma and why they're all women. Embryo has 99 problems and they're all Norma.

Tusk is always getting a taste of the Great Divide and this time it was well earned. My sides hurt from watching Hilda booing Tusk in the background. As much as I ship Hilda and Ange, I must concede this victory to our good man Tusk. Good on you for founding your own nation Ange, you make the greatest ruler yet by simply not giving a fuck and doing as you please. LOL'd so hard at Sylvia in the other world. Fucking Tomb Raider lookin' bitch needs to get put down before she dishes out any more cheesy Hollywood one liners.

Well as a whole this turned out to be a real surprise. I'm in complete shock and awe at how brilliant this series managed to become as a result of embracing its over the top stupidity. It always managed to outdo itself each episode, making my jaw drop just a little closer to the floor each time. This was truly Kakumeiki Vulvarape's spiritual successor and has only built my trust and faith in Sunrise even more. The mix of absurdity and violence couldn't send more mixed messages.

And let's not forget the nudity. Cross Ange stood before me, its arms and legs spread wide shouting "HERE I AM RATOHN, I AM NAKED AND I AM ART!" It's ironic though because when Cross Ange got serious, it was actually really good. However, it was precisely because it rarely took itself seriously that it was so charming and memorable.

8/10, I can only await the day that Sunrise decides to raise its wager and blow my mind once again.

Has Cross Ange taught you nothing of gratitude and humility? Men are wicked, Aura was already identified as the mother of the DRAGONs. Much like the Norma, she bears children for the future's sake, which pitiful men cannot hope to achieve.

FloydBt said:
"Aura, our great progenitor who first adapted his flesh to this polluted Earth....The men transformed into massive dragons....The women, at times, transform to work alongside the men.....Aura is no longer here.....He was taken....."

That is almost word per word what Salaka said when she told Ange the truth about the Dragons.


Now, based on that, how am I supposed to treat Aura as a female?

QuattroVaginas said:

Now, was that the subs, or what was actually said? Subbers mistake gender all the time, because Japanese can be ambiguous.

FloydBt said:



If you are so sure that was a long series of translation errors and I assume you actually speak japanese, go back to that episode and tell me what it really said.

QuattroVaginas said:

If I was sure, I wouldn't have asked you a question. You were the one that sounded sure that was what was said, so I assume you would have checked beforehand. Or speak Japanese.

VegettoBanchi said:
Sunrise please give us some OVAs, this is show deserves it the most out of anything you have done since Geass.

ShionxChan said:


I can agree with you on that one.
There is so many things missing.
LOL.
I feel like this isn't really the end of Cross Ange.

Don't know why, I feel like we may get more of this.
Also, how do you have your icon appear?D:
My icon is Tusk, but I can't seem to get him to show when I post stuff. >w>

FloydBt said:


I find it so amusing that a critic like me watched the anime more closely than a fan like you.

1) Assuming you mean their jail cell scene, Hilda was all for it after two minutes. What is this nonsense about the plan being impossible? Putting aside Ange's plan, the only reason paramails have short range was because they are deliberately given barely enough fuel for a single combat sortie. Until the arrival of the fleet, neither Ange nor us had any reason to believe that the mana humans even had a decent military of their own (not sure where they hid it).

2) You mess up your chronology there. Ange wasn't going to accept and then Vivian was spotted at a very bad time. Jill had finished her story and made the offer already. Ange considered and flat out refused her.Dragons didn't cross her mind (strangely enough) until afterwards. In addition, for what reason would dragons being humans change her? Before and after the big invasion, she had zero problems pointing her gun at humans and shooting to kill. About being hated being used, when was she never a tool? She just assumed that it was just to kill Dragons.

3) I'm sorry, but minus saints, after what they did to her, who in their right mind would treat revenge as a little bonus? Especially after the massacre? Don't give me any nonsense about having no time to think. Being on the True Earth was by no means relaxing for her. Even when she finally had time to relax, the Dragons were already mobilizing for their "final" battle and Ange had until morning to decide what to do.