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Mar 8, 2015 12:17 PM
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[quote=Tokoya]Galfa really turned into a grade A cunt with this episode. That dude is beyond saving now imo, he needs to be punished for what he's done in these past few episodes



Wild_Lynx said:
Anime's route is so bullshit, they made up this annoying Galfa dude out of nowhere that ruined Joseph's original image, now he looks like a typical nice guy wimp in a shounen manga. Also the 2 fags priests was made not only to be handsome but having dominion as well, the blabbering at the end was totally nonsense and wasting screen time. They should have followed manga faithfully and give those bald fags just a few page appearance.
You're totall right, they made Joseph from a (brave?) guy into a typical guy that get's the unfortune of his girl being raped or beaten up. I was expecting something interesting according to what they could do against michael, apparently they can't do nothing if it's not so that Michael himself will change. WHAT SHOUJO MARIA she I don't even know if she is fully virgin this is bullshet..
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Mar 8, 2015 12:18 PM

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LOL Bernard got MindF***ed XD I wonder where that will lead tho O_o


Yup utterly mindfuckked.

Anyway, the only true god is Chichigami-sama :P
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Mar 8, 2015 12:33 PM

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wow, well that was certainly one hell of an episode,
1. wow, i kinda figured that if her secret got out, someone was going to try to resort to rape, i had a bad feeling about that from the start, buy its good that i guess he didnt actually rape her? idk what exactly happened there.
2. but man, screw that village, i understand why they did that, but come on, maria saved all yalls miserable lives, show some gratitude damn.
3. wow, the significance of the ending scene in the cell, doubting his own faith and then washing marias feet?! wow this anime just keeps getting better and better, it had a slow star but wow, this is definitely going somewhere.

wow count: 5
10/10 episode, not perfect but pretty damn close, still overall i have this series at a 9
Mar 8, 2015 12:42 PM
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You know, if Ezekiel hadn't said anything about the virginity thing, they would have killed Maria outright. Everyone please stop and think for a moment but Ezekiel literally just saved Maria's life. So yes rape is worse, but because of that they thought only to rape her rather than kill her, now it works in favour of Maria.
Mar 8, 2015 12:51 PM
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Kuroko would´ve been pissed if Kagami raped Maria.

The witches need to defy those pieces of shits angels because they really are just being puppets.

Dat Bernard mindfuck tho, that logic really hit him hard.
Mar 8, 2015 1:01 PM
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That was really weird. First they make everybody hate Galfa in the beginning then suddenly he didn't actually rape her because he's just like always just doing what he wants and using some hole in the pronunciation of his mission to still get the reward.

Then Viv wants to safe Maria on her own(Edwina and her cat were a nice addition though :D). I guess that was pretty normal. But why the fuck did Michael appear before her. He just wanted Maria to stop using magic. There should be no problem in saving her from prison.

And then the weirdest shit of all started. What the fuck was happening while the priest was talking to Maria? That really just sounded like he came right there on the spot just from thinking about god and his existence. Like wtf. He seemed to be the most logical of all church people in this anime and then they pull something like that? How am I supposed to take him serious from now on...

The preview looked promising though. Can't wait to see what exactly made Priapos say that xD
Mar 8, 2015 1:51 PM

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Galfa said this is mercy. Because he only inserted his metal finger (at least that's what I heard)
Mar 8, 2015 2:28 PM

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For an Ecchi show, I would have thought that they would have put more time and "effect" into the scene with Maria and Galfa. Not that i wanted it, because Maria does not deserve, I just thought it was interesting how clean it was.
That ending, wtf priest! is he secretly believing that Maria is some kind of holy messager now, such weird scene.
Mar 8, 2015 2:33 PM

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Man I really just wanted to climb into the screen and beat the shit out of Galfa the first half of this episode.

Thank god Maria wasn't actually raped and Viv is going in this episode.

Can't wait till next episode this show is getting really good.
Mar 8, 2015 2:38 PM

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Decent episode. Although I don't fall for Bernard questioning his faith all of a sudden cause of what Maria said. I mean he never thought of those things before? His resolve was that easily broken? God helps those who help themselves. Which means God won't help you. Was all it took to throw away your faith? OK, sure.

Predictable that Garfa and Joesph were gonna be enemies eventually. But I thought it was gonna go down differently. Hopefully we get an epic fight between them. Don't know how Maria is gonna get out of this, her magic is prolly gonna come back, or it's gonna be a cliche saving from the stake. Don't know how Viv plans on getting through Michael. Should be interesting. I wanna see the other witches in action.
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Mar 8, 2015 2:44 PM

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BlurredVision18 said:
Decent episode. Although I don't fall for Bernard questioning his faith all of a sudden cause of what Maria said. I mean he never thought of those things before? His resolve was that easily broken? God helps those who help themselves. Which means God won't help you. Was all it took to throw away your faith? OK, sure.


Didn't Bernard go completely crazy a few episodes back? When he was laughing like crazy? Maybe that was the first real sign

Someone please tell me Joseph is going to beat Galfa senseless, what a douche
Mar 8, 2015 2:52 PM

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Joseph needs to epically kill Garfa now... even though he didn't raped her he is still an asshole who needs to die... also when this crazy priest kissed Maria's foot I thought he was gonna finish Garfa's ''job'' -__- I hope he doesn't try something funny next episode
Mar 8, 2015 3:06 PM
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The soldiers are being so harsh to Maria in this episode.
Mar 8, 2015 3:47 PM

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Once again it shows us how cruel religion can be.
I felt so sorry for Maria and I'm so glad that Galfa didn't take her virginity. Although I really thought he's gonna do it. I still don't like him.
Grandma, Anne and her family were really mean. They should've stayed by Maria's side. But no, stupid church pressures them and forces them to go against Maria, even if it breaks their hearts and Anne cries.
And that ending was unbelievable. Bernard changing his mind and accepting Maria as her "goddess". I mean how stupid can one be? That just proves how uncertain he was of his belief in god.

Mar 8, 2015 3:50 PM

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why isen't there a 6/5 xD? I really love this anime
Soo much stuff is going on.. and that Priest guy is really going insane xD
Mar 8, 2015 3:52 PM

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Galfa is now kill, very soon.

Bernard with that mind heist, he's going to end up effectively overthrowing god(turning the people's faith into mere reverence rather than dependency, voiding god's will and the vessel archangel's power to intervene)
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Well shit, that was a roller coaster of an episode.

You can say that again.
Mar 8, 2015 3:57 PM

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THE RAGE INSIDE ME!!! I'm so FCUKING PISSED OFF! AAARRRGH!

I haven't raged that much in a long time, even at the final episode of A/Z... but these last two episodes made me soooo mad! I feel like stabbing everyone (except the witches, Joseph, Ezekiel and Ann's family - the father gets punched though) there at least 50 times. Humans are so pathetic. Gods too.

and I'm still raging... geez... need to calm down...

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Mar 8, 2015 4:45 PM

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I uh... have to admit i'm a bit confused as to what happened this episode.
Galfa seemed relieved he didn't have to rape her. He ever loop holed himself out of it. Still, I understand his rage but DAMN MAN THATS NOT OKAY.

That rapid fire monk though, my stream was lagging a little bit so I couldn't really follow what he was saying.
AND WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED WITH VIV?
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Wow this episode. I've been kind of indifferent about the last few episodes, but this one got my attention with the ending...Bernard has definitely gone cuckoo. I mean he already went kind of insane at the news of Maria being a virgin, but I felt like him suddenly questioning everything just by Maria's comment was a little, fast-paced? Not necessarily forced, but it didn't feel right. Well what happened has happened, and Bernard wiping and kissing Maria's foot of all things. Is this the start of the path of Maria becoming a saint or something?
Mar 8, 2015 5:20 PM

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To be easily deceived (reasoned) by the word of a witch, that Bernard guys has got to be the worst preacher ever.
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"Burn the heretics"
Mar 8, 2015 5:20 PM
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That was a close call........and hard to watch.
I really don't like anything dealing with rape and any type of violations.
Thankfully he didn't go through with it, though it was up in the air whether he did or not at first
(honestly I was already thinking I may have to drop the whole season that's how disturbing I find the topic)

Bravo to Viv for confronting Michael, though I dont know how much of a fight she can put up.

That last scene in the cell just got me worried again. He's going mad?? He scared me more than Garfa

In the end, good thrilling episode. Hard to watch Maria go through all that though.
I just want her to have a good happy ending
Mar 8, 2015 6:17 PM

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Whoa. That was an intense episode, Garfa lost all pity I had for him.

I think Bernard was acting there at the end in the cell, part of another plot and to lead Maria on in thinking that her words affected him for an unknown reason.

(Edit: I just HAVE to know what happens next. Breaking my own rule of not reading a series while watching it.)
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Mar 8, 2015 6:45 PM

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still waiting for that divine lightning to hit crazy ass Bernard.

Galfa on the other hand needs to trip into a volcano
Mar 8, 2015 7:09 PM

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Wow...the head preacher broke.
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Mar 8, 2015 7:12 PM

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Omg Viv, you crazy bastard, you have no chance of winning lol but at-least she's trying?


Mar 8, 2015 8:53 PM

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That sonsofbitch Galfa...now I'm glad he lost his arm. I hope he dies a horrible death (getting stabbed in the neck, take an arrow to the groin, getting his dick blown off by canon ball fire...etc) Wait...did he just leave with a boner? I'm assuming that giant pill he ate was the antidote to the paralyzing smoke.

Well that was unexpected, to see the monk guy flip his shit. But Maria is right, "If words are all God gives, it's the same as nothing." And kissing her feet...well, that's not creepy and gross at all. ¬_¬

Wow, Viv just pulled a badass Gate of Babylon move. While Maria summons mystical creatures, it seems Viv is much more straightforward when it comes to offensive. But when it all boils down, it seems like Micheal's reasoning is full of contradictions and hypocrisy; with the premise that magic is evil, he's stopping a witch from saving another witch because--humans, but not going after all the other witches who use magic on humans (via familiars and whatnot) besides Maria, stopping an attack on humans via magic, but won't stop magic itself (kills the user), and finally will send back summoned monsters as if they were innocent, even though their existence itself is apparently evil (along the same lines of witches)....the story here is just all sorts of fucked up (not that it's any different than religion IRL)

omg, is Priapus finally going to get a dick!? I hope he tears a new asshole for Galfa, those monks, and Joseph's employer.

It's interesting to try and guess what's going to happen each episode judging my the endcard that's always slightly different from the last. And guessing based off this one, looks like Galfa is literally not in the picture anymore, so maybe his death isn't all that unlikely after all.
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Galfa's artificial hand is also a Hitachi vibrator, so it doesn't really count as sex. Boom, nailed it.
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Mar 8, 2015 9:37 PM

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That was infuriating and then a bit confusing with an interesting ending.
Best episode yet, most emotional.
Mar 9, 2015 12:55 AM

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That sonsofbitch Galfa...now I'm glad he lost his arm. I hope he dies a horrible death (getting stabbed in the neck, take an arrow to the groin, getting his dick blown off by canon ball fire...etc) Wait...did he just leave with a boner? I'm assuming that giant pill he ate was the antidote to the paralyzing smoke.

Well that was unexpected, to see the monk guy flip his shit. But Maria is right, "If words are all God gives, it's the same as nothing." And kissing her feet...well, that's not creepy and gross at all. ¬_¬

Wow, Viv just pulled a badass Gate of Babylon move. While Maria summons mystical creatures, it seems Viv is much more straightforward when it comes to offensive. But when it all boils down, it seems like Micheal's reasoning is full of contradictions and hypocrisy; with the premise that magic is evil, he's stopping a witch from saving another witch because--humans, but not going after all the other witches who use magic on humans (via familiars and whatnot) besides Maria, stopping an attack on humans via magic, but won't stop magic itself (kills the user), and finally will send back summoned monsters as if they were innocent, even though their existence itself is apparently evil (along the same lines of witches)....the story here is just all sorts of fucked up (not that it's any different than religion IRL)

omg, is Priapus finally going to get a dick!? I hope he tears a new asshole for Galfa, those monks, and Joseph's employer.

It's interesting to try and guess what's going to happen each episode judging my the endcard that's always slightly different from the last. And guessing based off this one, looks like Galfa is literally not in the picture anymore, so maybe his death isn't all that unlikely after all.


Totally agreed on Michael. His interfering with Viv trying to rescue Maria felt rather off. Witches are also part of the world the heavens watch over and don't interfere with and one witch rescuing another isn't the equivalent of Maria stopping important battles...Feel's a bit hypocritical. On the other hand, we're not even sure if he wanted to stop Viv instead of just wanting to hear her reasons of helping Maria, because she attacked right away. We'll see next episode I guess, since it's not like Viv can win against him.

But with Galfa, however, I'm thinking that he might not deserve as much hate. Last week I naively thought that Galfa will tell Maria to just run away & threaten her to not get involved in their battles anymore because he's taken a liking to Joseph and knows he's close to her. Talk it out 1st and if she refuses then get violent. Thinking about it though, she'd be in relatively safe position to refuse as Galfa would stand no chance so I can see why he choose to do a sneak attack & disable her 1st. Considering his position & remembering that he's not exactly a paragon of justice, this might've just been the best he could do. A little bit of fingering to weaken/make her temporarily loose her powers instead of a full-blown rape, getting his job done in the process & making sure he doesn't get in trouble. It kind of fit's his character too. The guy can be an asshole, one with high ambitious, but he's not all bad.

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Was anyone else hoping for Bernard to scream fortissimo
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Was anyone else hoping for Bernard to scream fortissimo


Haha, that would've been a treat for the ears, although that might've also signified him completely loosing it so it's probably better if he doesn't :P
Mar 9, 2015 5:48 AM

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Poor Maria, always sacrificing herself for other! I am glad Galfa didn't rape her! I looking forward to see what Joseph is gonna do with him.
Viv fighting for Maria was epic! so cool!
Bernard is going nuts...
Mar 9, 2015 6:20 AM
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The priest is a sinner now it seems, and the other priest see the escene, so He can speak and blame.
Mar 9, 2015 7:10 AM

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I agree with the posters on Galfa. Lowlife. This just shows he literally means what he spoke of back a few episodes to get to the top as if killing his comrade wasn't enough. I don't got much else to say as I'm struggling to watch all these episodes when it involves those false priests (and other things) who aren't priests at all according to the Bible and their deviant plans in this anime. I know it's just fiction but my zeal I just can't let go and cringe at lie after lie but I understand why the author used this perception and don't really fault him/her for being ignorant and doesn't seem to know Christianity is paganism and is using some history. There's a lot of lies in this anime based on reality that also has lies but again I understand why it's being used and it's fiction. I dunno if the author or the studio wrote that stand on your two feet line that Maria spoke but that had me rolling my eyes. I haven't read the source nor don't know if I plan to if it's pretty much the same.
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Wow, I started to watch that anime thinking it would be just another echi... Such a good plot. 10/10 till now.
Mar 9, 2015 10:17 AM

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I don't know why everyone seems to be dumping on Galfa like this is a new low for him. Given what we've seen him capable of thus far, this is really to be expected.

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i'm a catholic and this episode made me flinch hard....
Baptist here and same. Although at the same time my Christianity is what makes this particular anime so interesting to watch. This may be the most biblically accurate anime I've ever seen, or at least goes into the most detail in regards to the actual religion. Most anime, even when usiing religion, don't delve very far into the religion and its beliefs itself, just kind of refer to it as a source/reference. This show goes far deeper into it though.
Mar 9, 2015 10:32 AM

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Best episode so far. Bernard went crazy again.

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Was anyone else hoping for Bernard to scream fortissimo


OMG! If that happened, I would give this show a 10/10 no matter how the last few episodes played out!
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nigga i am black, do you think my ass would fit in? "Oh look it is negro kun." Hell no.
Mar 9, 2015 12:15 PM

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But with Galfa, however, I'm thinking that he might not deserve as much hate. Last week I naively thought that Galfa will tell Maria to just run away & threaten her to not get involved in their battles anymore because he's taken a liking to Joseph and knows he's close to her. Talk it out 1st and if she refuses then get violent. Thinking about it though, she'd be in relatively safe position to refuse as Galfa would stand no chance so I can see why he choose to do a sneak attack & disable her 1st. Considering his position & remembering that he's not exactly a paragon of justice, this might've just been the best he could do. A little bit of fingering to weaken/make her temporarily loose her powers instead of a full-blown rape, getting his job done in the process & making sure he doesn't get in trouble. It kind of fit's his character too. The guy can be an asshole, one with high ambitious, but he's not all bad.


I totally agree with you here. If Galfa was an utter piece of shit like everyone seems to think he is, he would have raped her. They already showed us that mercenaries in this war have no qualms about doing that. I don't think it's totally fair for people to hate on him for wanting to take revenge on Maria anyway, though--hitting her isn't that bad when you think about the fact that it's her fault he lost an arm, a lot of his fellow soldiers and mercenaries died, and France lost a battle they were sure to win. It's pretty ridiculous to suggest that Maria not get at least some sort of comeuppance for that. Even with good intentions, she did cause a lot of death and commit an act that could easily be likened to treason, even without her being a heretic.
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Wow, I started to watch that anime thinking it would be just another echi... Such a good plot. 10/10 till now.


yea i'm also surprised. this show has one of the most involved plots of anything i've watched this year so far. it almost reads like a classic fable too, which makes the characters that much more believable. the only thing that really annoys me about the show is joseph and his "huh" reaction to everything. otherwise, the themes are engaging and the plight they face makes me care for maria.

just wish the OST was a bit stronger at this point.
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This show continues to exceed every expectation I create for it, especially shown here by staying on-course even through some really dark material, and for handling said material fairly tastefully.

Increasingly I see the show as a giant allegorical depiction of the way that so many groups-- including many religions and governments --define or defined a woman's value (read: power) only by her virginal status, effectively setting women up for sexual violence as a method of devaluing and disempowering said women.

(DISCLAIMER: Note that I said "many" religions and governments, not "all" religions and governments. I am also NOT suggesting that rapists bear no responsibility for their actions-- they assuredly do.)
Mar 9, 2015 1:07 PM

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These last few episodes have been kinda entertaining in regards to how it mixes the religious stuff with the anti-war themes, but I'm not a big fan of how Maria's arguments always boil down to "I hate war", nor am I a fan of Galfa in general. Don't really have an opinion on the "rapey subtext" like some people do. It's there. It doesn't bother me much.
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They have 3 more eps. I wonder, what they plan to tell us? Cause it could be easily ended in 1.
Mar 9, 2015 5:13 PM

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I don't really get it, why is this sort of anti god and debating god being non existent, yet have that angel? I think this anime would make much more sense if that angel wasn't around and we could question if god even exists, clearly this is Gods will and he is the creator of all so its hard to not feel like its fine.


I'm glad Galfa didn't rape her, he would of been so uncool if he did.
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Epicenter said:
I don't really get it, why is this sort of anti god and debating god being non existent, yet have that angel? I think this anime would make much more sense if that angel wasn't around and we could question if god even exists, clearly this is Gods will and he is the creator of all so its hard to not feel like its fine.


It is possible that god doesn't really exist, and the angels created "god".
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Epicenter said:
I don't really get it, why is this sort of anti god and debating god being non existent, yet have that angel? I think this anime would make much more sense if that angel wasn't around and we could question if god even exists, clearly this is Gods will and he is the creator of all so its hard to not feel like its fine.


It is possible that god doesn't really exist, and the angels created "god".


Well that's sort of far fetched to me, it would be pretty stupid to bring about sparkling holy angels and then say god doesn't exist.
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Bernard's cleaning and then kissing of Maria's feet was a role reversal of Mary of Bethlehem anointing Jesus' feet, a sign that he was the true savior. So in Bernard's mind he is doing the same thing in recognizing that Maria has, he believes, shown him the way towards true salvation (she is literally his "Virgin Mary").

As for Bernard's "breakdown". That was 700 years of serious thought broken down into one 3 minute animated run on sentence.

The important piece of it was the reference to Pelagius, a 4th century British monk who wrote that humans were capable of achieving salvation without needing the grace of God. This viewpoint was declared heretical by the Catholic Church (and also the various Protestant sects), but has always kicked around in Christian philosophical debate.

I won't go into the argument because it is complex and because 1600 years make some of the arguments seem bizarre, but basically what it shows is that Bernard has always had doubts about religion, his sympathies has always been with humans, he has been doubting the way the world was, so it really wasn't that she "convinced" him, but rather her example of sacrifice for humanity was greater than his, and he had to recognize it. He is now convinced that he can build a heaven on earth. Humorously not only has he been converted to Mariaism, he is actually a zealot willing to go much further than she. It will be funny to watch her reaction to seeing her ideals being put into practice.

I am not sure how the writer is going to do this, I am hoping that he will go deeper than the superficial argument that trying to do good is always good, but we shall see.
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This show may be the MVP of what has been a pretty solid season thus far, though a rather unheralded one by the masses.
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Epicenter said:
Motherurck said:


It is possible that god doesn't really exist, and the angels created "god".


Well that's sort of far fetched to me, it would be pretty stupid to bring about sparkling holy angels and then say god doesn't exist.
Don't you have any imagination?
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The most important thing is that "Losing her magic" will never happen like"naturally, suddenly, automatically".

The person(angel) who supposed to be get rid of Maria's power is Michael(in episode3).
We have to remember other witches still use magic without her virginity.
Viv is good example.
So, apparently Michael did nothing to Maria in this episode.
Then, Maria still has possibility to use magic.
right?
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So the real question is,
did Garfa stick one or two fingers up there? It wasn't clearly stated.

Kidding aside, I want Maria to gain her powers back, maybe Viv can knock some sense into that Archangel.
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