Amazon Japan is in deep shit for letting sellers sell child porn

Involtus said:
It's not so bad _(-_-)_/
we don't know the scale of it

but really, we also don't know whether these photobooks make pedophilia better or worse
pedophilia hasn't been shown to be curable, so they would just seek something else -- perhaps something worse -- without these books

Sinyan said:

There is something worse than real children being violated? Because that is how it was actually produced. And yes it will make the problem worse. If this was allowed to continue then more children would be violated in order to make a profit. C'mon.

Involtus said:
let's say 2 or 3 pedophiles collect images of children found on the internet... or even take some pictures of kids themselves, and possibly some of those kids are violated physically
they then sell 100 copies of the book to 100 pedophiles
for some of them, it might be enough...
are we sure that the alternative isn't:
52 or 53 pedophiles take pictures of kids themselves, and surely most of these kids are violated physically?
i don't think we should ignore the book and not prosecute those involved in creating the books, because of course more people will always join in if they think the profit is easy to make
but something worse than some children getting violated is many children getting violated
and, again, it should be pretty easy now for the police to find out who bought copies of the books... and then they will know who to keep tabs on - hopefully preventing many of the x number of pedophiles who bought the book from being able to get too close to real children

...it's nicer to think that pedophiles are alien creatures that don't mingle and fit in with human beings and, if not supplied with child pornography created by evil money hungry yakuza, their lifeforce drains away and they just disappear, though

Sinyan said:
Not sure if I got your analogy correct, but I say permitting 2-3 kids to be violated in order to prevent a number of potential child abuse sounds like a very bad idea.

Involtus said:


well... it's almost that, but not quite
we don't permit anything

we shouldn't let a child we know about get abused just so we can say "this might help things for others"... even if it's just because our 'moral reflexes' kick in... there's almost always another way to help a situation, as long as we're actually in control
but we don't have control over this things, and once the book has already happened, it's not up to us whether we actually wanted it to happen or not
it just becomes better for everyone to dwell on the potential good
there's no two-sided battle of pedos vs the world

also,
maybe the information is somewhere else, but,
are we sure the book is of children facing physical abuse?
multiple children? original content, or collected images from the internet?
some things are naturally worse than other things, even if most things aren't rosy
a lack of detail in the media for things like this -- if the information is easy to acquire -- usually means such things could be worse

then it will also potentially increase it by encouraging the further production of CP material.

Not to mention that it will further damage the child's reputation and security if it continues circulating and the producers did not have the sense to hide their identity.

Sinyan said:
If it can potentially lowers child abuse rates by satisfying pedos, then it will also potentially increase it by encouraging the further production of CP material.

Sinyan said:
And no it didn't really detail what the CP book included but it's extremely unlikely that images were collected publicly from the internet. No one would dare to upload it publicly because they would be in bad shit if the police catches up to them.

Immahnoob said:
Based on what? If we legalize possession that does not mean we legalize making it or selling it. This is an unfounded slippery slope. Like saying "Legalizing prostitution increases rape.".

Immahnoob said:
I don't see how their security is being damaged, and their "reputation" is not going to be damaged at all. Identifying a child is harder than identifying an adult.

But I'm not really talking about possession which I think is not that big of a deal either. Both the article and I was talking about distribution. And I think "Legalizing prostitution increases human trafficking" would be a better analogy but not even that logic completely matches up either.

It can damage their security because it can cause them to be the targets of harassment or solicitation. I'm talking about the forbidden step beyond just a pedophile. I'm talking about a predator. If they see the child in a pornography, they can track down the child in real life, believing that the child can be easily lured into doing more sexual favors.

Their reputation won't be damaged? Not one bit? Sure, identifying someone doesn't sound easy but that doesn't mean it can't and won't happen.

What happens when they really are identified? What will happen to their reputation then?

I personally know an adult friend of mine who can't get a teaching job because she posted pics of her boobs back when she was younger. People can dig up dirt on you. People preform background checks on you.

Involtus said:
not really
as i said, we should still punish those who produce it so that others don't think it's an easy way to make money

it's just as risky for people to produce child porn as it was before
well, they're still probably a little bit more wary of it than before
nobody wants to do something right after others get punished for it

Involtus said:
you could find a naked child on the internet in under 60 seconds if you searched for it, i bet
actually, even for full blown 'child porn'... you don't need to search for it to come across it
the moment you open up an obscure image board, or start clicking random links on tor's onion websites, you're probably only five to ten minutes away from it

Immahnoob said:
So you're not against possession but against sale.

Immahnoob said:
That's highly unlikely, you can't track someone only through a video.
Children tend to grow up and change their appearance.
Nothing much x2. It's the same with doxxing. Unless you're an incredibly popular individual, nothing will happen to you.
Social media, she gave away her name, she gave away her address, her location, her face, etc. You need a lot more to identify someone.

All of this is solved by not legalizing CP paid distribution and production.

Hoppy said:


actual child porn.

Immahnoob said:
We should legalize the possession of CP anyway.

Tracking a child through a video alone can be unlikely but the predator can do research such as things like asking his seller or even producer.

That is a ridiculous idea. For CP to be produced it means someone uses actual children. Are you saying we should allow rape of children if a camera is used? Do you understand how daft that is?

Of course, doxxing is unlikely unless you're popular. But anyone can dox you and it would mostly likely be by a predator. He can release all of your information and tarnish your reputation while he's at it

Again though, most of what I said is hypothetical but still realistically possible, especially with how persistent people can be. I agree with you for not legalizing CP paid distribution and production although I wouldn't limit it to just paid distribution.

Immahnoob said:

How did you get to that conclusion, Monad? I only said possession should not be illegal. Not making it or selling it.

I'm not going to make this a pedophilia argument, so I'll settle for the crumbs for now.

shintai88 said:
They did only just ban the possession of it.

shintai88 said:
They did only just ban the possession of it.

Ramkec said:
U done fucked up now Amazon.

emxutaxmine said:


http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30698640

"By 2020... we have to turn Japan into a country which people don't call a perverted culture”

R-OrioN said:
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Oddyeus said:
Legality of child pornography possession (but not production) reduces the amount of child abuse. Keep in mind that USA allowed possession until the 1980's.

JustALEX said:
Absolutely no sympathy for people who harm real children.

Okiura said:
1-You've created a demand for more people to be harmed.
2- You finance them by buying their stuff. An additional incentive for them to continue to harm.

Comic_Sans said:
G'dammit Amazon you've screwed up big time

Hoppy said:
Amazon must be slow on the management, didn't get the memo, or are just plain corporate tyrants who don't care where the money comes from and would let them sell the gross 3D photobooks anyway despite being illegal.

Source

People have been complaining about these dirty sellers for a long time and nothing was done. They had it coming.

-Axcel- said:

"By 2020... we have to turn Japan into a country which people don't call a perverted culture”

Immahnoob said:
EDIT: And poof, someone edited himself out.

Okiura said:

That happened after seeing the level of your argumentation in page 2. I remembered this quote from Mark Twain :

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

Rance-sama said:
Pedophilia is a valid sexual orientation and research dictates that it's even beneficial for children. People correlate pedophilia with rape but that's not true, that's just a biased viewpoint. It's silly to have a constitution based on morality rather than logic, in the end it's just hurting innocent people with this ever-changing constitution based on society's "norm"

NebulaC3I said:

I was wondering when something like this would rear its head. Now we have party.

Rance-sama said:

Well, just the facts. I detest pedophilia but I don't feel like it's right to put laws on sexuality.

Rance-sama said:
Pedophilia is a valid sexual orientation and research dictates that it's even beneficial for children. People correlate pedophilia with rape but that's not true, that's just a biased viewpoint. It's silly to have a constitution based on morality rather than logic, in the end it's just hurting innocent people with this ever-changing constitution based on society's "norm"

Battlechili1 said:
Explain what you mean by "beneficial for children".
And no, pedophilia isn't rape, but the act of having sex with a child IS rape. Always. They are too young to be able to properly consent knowing full well what they are doing. Furthermore, even touching a child sexually is wrong as once again, they cannot consent. There is no consent. Its sick and twisted to touch a child in such a manner. That is why it is wrong. Because they are not old enough to properly consent.

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inb4 Immahnoob