| Shit, eh. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
dankickyou said: Hidden_Joker said: Captain was the real bastard here. Told the passengers to stay put and not panic and they were only 10 minutes from land. He and his crew escaped first thing. He was found drying money on the shore. Wow, he's like a total mustache twirling, puppy kicking villain. lol |
| I remember back when Ship Captains were honourable, go down with the ships sort. Now its MUWAHAHAHA SNEAK OUT WITH THE PASSANGERS TAKE THE MONEY! Titanic would have been such a better event/movie if its Captain was like that. |
Eremiel said: JustAsianThings I take it you forgot about the Italian Cruiseship Captain that did this as well? |
RedArmyShogun said: I remember back when Ship Captains were honourable, go down with the ships sort. Now its MUWAHAHAHA SNEAK OUT WITH THE PASSANGERS TAKE THE MONEY! Titanic would have been such a better event/movie if its Captain was like that. There was a (different) ship captain talking about it on BBC Radio 4 the other day saying that there's a good chance the captain and crew would have been actively dropped of the ship and into the water with how it was tilting, whether they decided to abandon it or not. Which makes it rather difficult to do the 'go down with the ship' thing. |
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| UPDATE: http://news.yahoo.com/south-korea-indicts-four-crew-members-ferry-manslaughter-023232731--finance.html ^Captain and 3 crew members are facing murder chargers... In total, 281 people have been confirmed dead (most of which were young students on a field trip), 23 others remain missing and more than likely presumed dead. Horrible tragedy... |
--ALEX--May 14, 2014 11:55 PM
Hidden_Joker said: It's all over the news in Korea right now. Nothing else is on TV but the live feed of the rescue scene and analysis. Death toll is currently 33 i think. 269 still missing (presumed dead). 174 rescued Captain was the real bastard here. Told the passengers to stay put and not panic and they were only 10 minutes from land. He and his crew escaped first thing. He was found drying money on the shore. Most of them apparently would have survived had they gone up to the deck at least. Some stayed behind (one of the attendants died rescuing the kids i think). Even the damn part timer stayed behind. .... Also, this is a prime example of Korean government incompetence. Dear lord. The damn "disaster response team" didnt even know what the situation was exactly and...yeah. So much incompetence. Wow those bastards, I can't believe they actually did that! The escaped without telling the passengers that they were probably going to die! That at least they should go to the deck! THEY ESCAPED LEAVING EVERYBODY BEHIND TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES! EVEN THE FUCKING PART-TIMER STAYED BEHIND! 33 deatd and 296 missing...I hope the captain takes responability |
Game over. If that's the case, I just have to play again. |
| They should just do the honorable thing already and commit seppuku. I really don't agree with the charges for manslaughter, shit happens. |
| Glad South Korea has such a responsible and non-bureaucratic government in times of national disasters. |
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RedArmyShogun said: I remember back when Ship Captains were honourable, go down with the ships sort. Maybe you're just romanticizing the past. mclovinballz said: They should just do the honorable thing already and commit seppuku. I really don't agree with the charges for manslaughter, shit happens. As the captain he's responsible for the wellbeing of his passengers. His actions actually did cause these deaths. |
RedArmyShogun said: Yeah. Cast that actor as J. Jonah Jameson from the Maguire spiderman movies as the Captain too.I remember back when Ship Captains were honourable, go down with the ships sort. Now its MUWAHAHAHA SNEAK OUT WITH THE PASSANGERS TAKE THE MONEY! Titanic would have been such a better event/movie if its Captain was like that. |
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RedArmyShogun said: I remember back when Ship Captains were honourable, go down with the ships sort. Honour has little to do with that. The ships were generally not owned by the Captain but by a government or an organisation. If he survived the ship sinking the debts of the ship went on to him and his family. By going down with the ship his family wouldn't be tied to those debts. |
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HiNT74 said: The symbolic part was the murder charges and the prosecution seeking the death penalty. The actual convictions are completely in line with the responsibilities conferred on the crew of any kind of passenger vessel (cars, trains, and planes included). They had a duty of care to look out for the lives of their passengers, and not only did they only care about saving themselves, they gave instructions that directly led to the massive loss of life. Training is irrelevant - they were the first to evacuate and did so while many passengers were still unaware an evacuation was necessary. They didn't even try to deal with the situation.The punishment the crew are getting is as you say largely "symbolic" imo, and doesn't solve anything nor represent fair justice. The problem is that exactly the same incident is unlikely to occur again, so a bad accident may well occur in a different sector (remember eg. the nuclear disaster in Japan; what allowed that to happen?). The captain was convicted of "gross negligence resulting in loss of life." Nothing symbolic there. He failed to do his duty and people died as a direct result of that, and he can get a nice long prison sentence for it. The 30-year sentence was for a crewman who abandoned injured people - which counts as a lower murder charge due to his duty of care. The others all got it for criminal negligence. Beyond the one guy, no murder or manslaughter charges stuck. For the record, people who were not on board the ferry have also been charged with the safety violations that led to the sinking. No crew member has been convicted over said violations - everything was their conduct after it hit the fan. As for your last example, that's rather weak: the Fukushima disaster was the result of overreliance on scientific estimates which were proven wrong. They were, however, completely safe according to what was believed, and actually held up better than expected given the situation. The plants were designed to withstand an 8.0 earthquake from the same fault line, as scientific experts had surmised that it could not produce a quake significantly exceeding that. Instead, they got a 9.0, which is 10 times as powerful. That's what happens when you mistake scientific estimates for incontrovertible fact (catastrophic AGW anyone?). |
ErwinJANov 13, 2014 8:07 AM
| Oh, an update bump. I can't be the only person who saw the thread title and thought "Damn, another one?" |
| Damn... |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
HiNT74 said: You seem to assume he wasn't acting selfishly. There was a trial and he was convicted of misconduct. If he'd been railroaded, they'd have stuck him with several hundred manslaughter charges, which would have been plenty to keep him locked up indefinitely. You seem to assume the captain was acting selfishly -- maybe he was just scared, didn't know how to handle the situation, didn't realize the gravity of the situation, and was himself in a part of the ship where he was in imminent danger, unlike other passengers? All in all the sentences seem harsh. The crew should have acted differently, but their mistakes were unintentional. I see detractors of the criminal penalties keep going back to the whole "poorly trained" line. But, you don't know the exact amount and type of training they had, which is certainly not zero. And even if it was, that's not an excuse. A teacher that leads kids up to the roof during a tornado would not get off by claiming "poor training." Same for a hotel manager that ushers people into elevators during a fire. There are things you don't need training to know. Letting people know their ship is sinking so they can evacuate is definitely one of them. There is no such thing as a situation where the entire crew feels threatened enough to bail and the passengers are in no danger. And, for the record, several other captains have suffered criminal charges for eerily similar circumstances (many passengers survived only because they ignored calls to return to their cabins). Incidentally, those people were almost certainly given disaster training, yet made most of the same "mistakes." NTAD said: Naah. My first thought was "wait, wasn't this old news six months ago?"Oh, an update bump. I can't be the only person who saw the thread title and thought "Damn, another one?" |
ErwinJANov 13, 2014 5:13 PM
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