Buddy Complex Episode 13 Discussion

Mar 30, 2014 8:02 PM

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redd530 said:
Who's the guy with the black hair at the end card?

I'm guessing that since Bizon managed to get back in this timeline, another person from the past/future is also tasked into stopping him. And since that guy has black hair like Hina and spiky hair like Aoba, he might be their son.

At least that's what I'm hoping. :D

I thought he is Fromm with different hair color. :D

Mar 30, 2014 8:23 PM

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Couldn't keep myself from watching the raw, even though I should be waiting for subs.. was too hyped.

Great episode. The plot has come full circle, which is good. It may have been better if more was left to the imagination, but then we'd have a lot of people crying about lack of spoonfeeding and having to think for themselves, as seen with the Valvrave finale thread.

Personal final rating of 7. Much of the show was bland, but there are redeeming qualities.

Mar 30, 2014 9:54 PM

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Who was the blond haired chick and the purple-ish haired guy that were in the picture with Hina, Aoba and Dio right after the ED finished?

Mar 30, 2014 9:58 PM

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ex_necross said:
Couldn't keep myself from watching the raw, even though I should be waiting for subs.. was too hyped.

Great episode. The plot has come full circle, which is good. It may have been better if more was left to the imagination, but then we'd have a lot of people crying about lack of spoonfeeding and having to think for themselves, as seen with the Valvrave finale thread.

Personal final rating of 7. Much of the show was bland, but there are redeeming qualities.

? Not done. To be continued. Confirmed Buddy Complex twitter.

Mar 30, 2014 11:46 PM

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ThangLong said:
Here are my theories about Buddy Complex:

The time travel in this anime does not rely on the time paradox like we had previously thought (based on assuming that Hina disappeared when travelling to the future because there would not be two Hina in a paradox). Instead, it is based on the multi-universe theory where they have jumped to another universe by the act of time traveling. Thus, both Hina and Aoba's actions here have no bearing on the previous universe and they cannot disappear because Hina didn't travel to the past (with the time paradox theory, not traveling to the past means the current Aoba will disappear because there's no Hina to bring him to the future).

According to the deceased Doctor, the Coupling tech closely resemble small time leaps. That explains why the mech can move with such speed and sometimes "jump" ahead of time. The anime loosely unitizes Quantum Mechanic to build up this phenomenon (Quantum particles cannot be observed and people have theorized that maybe they jump back and forth in another dimension to travel between multiple universes). Coupling tech has given the mech this ability and thus Aoba can see ahead of time or his mech can make small "leaps" ahead that create its incredible speed.

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Based on the OP's lyrics and symbolism, the theme of this anime is changing fate. It was implied that Hina's fate is the same in multiple loops where she followed Bizon into the wormhole (Hina was sent to the past earlier than Bizon and she helped Aoba not getting killed from his inevitable arrival). However, what has changed this time around?

First, both Hina and Aoba were sent to the future. Hina was sent to Zagreb 10 years earlier and her body was devolved into a young kid while still wearing her oversized school uniform. She only remembered her name was Hina and was picked up by her adoptive dad. Aoba was sent to Luxon's cockpit as we see in ep2.

Something must have gone differently during the time when Aoba was trying to couple with Dio using SkyNight and FireBrand. In previous loops, Aoba failed to couple (as shown in ep11) leading to Dio not seeing Aoba's past. This time, Dio saw it so he did not prevent Aoba to chase after Hina to the wormhole and helped him puling Hina back as well as shooting Bizon's mech. This saved both Hina and Aoba from a never ending loop.

However, by destroying Bizon's mech, there's another consequence. It's uncleared whether doing that have changed their reality at the time by making masked Bizon the leader of Zogilia, or masked Bizon has always been around in the first place. Nevertheless, we can deduce that without his mech, Bizon cannot find Aoba in the past to kill him. Instead, Bizon is somehow able to go to the early Zogilia and work his way up to become the leader of that country!

Hence, the war may have started because Bizon's grudges and jealousy against Aoba have transcended space and time.

I agree with your entire theory, except I have a few questions that I'm a bit confused about @_@. I also think that the Bizon we see in the ending of the episode who speaks about its finally time to meet Aoba again. But you claiming that the war may have started because of Bizon's grudges and jealousy against Aoba is confusing me a bit.

To start off, you do recognize that this is not what was theorized before, which was the time travel in one universe, but rather a multiverse, in which they are travelling through. Then, it'd make sense that there was a loop with Hina, Bizon, and Aoba. However, this would suggest that every loop they've had (I don't know how many, could've been just that once as I'm being led to believe. But it is plausible that it has happened more than just once, perhaps many more times than imaginable.) concluded with Hina, Bizon, and Aoba being sent back. Then, Hina kills Bizon and sens Aoba back to the future, starting another loop. This is what I understand of the time loop before this one (again could be many time loops). This one that they're in right now, however, is different. This is because they stopped the loop and shot down Bizon, but he's a tenacious bastard so he's still alive. Anyways, this would make the first loop in which Bizon climbs up the ladders of Zogilia 74 years from the past, which by the way, would make him 94, as the wiki states he is 20. However, this is assuming it is the same Bizon. But then the question would be .... how is Bandai going to make this work?

What I mean by that question is that if we look at the time loop theory again, we would know that the current Hina and Aoba are in Universe A; while Bizon, having been teleported into Universe B. This is, of course, assuming that Multi-verse is the correct Quantum Theory. Therefore, Bizon in Universe B cannot directly affect Hina and Aoba directly in Universe A. Then, the question would be, how exactly did Bizon start a war for Nectoribium, which was a disguise to enact his revenge on Aoba. This is the part that kind of confuses me, and excuse me if I'm taking a joke seriously o_o. The problem is that it is impossible for this to happen, as if two Bizons are in the same Universe, either B or A, then wouldn't they cause a rip in the space-time fabric? Well this is what I know from Sci-Fi of course. And this also ignores the fact that they're not in a different universe from Bizon. So I'm actually quite confused and stoked for Bandai's magic band-aid to Time leap Paradox.

Tl;dr:
Time Leap Theory = Problems
Multi-verse Theory = Fits, but has problems with the future of S2.
- Current Aoba, Dio, Hina, and Bizon = Universe A
- Events in episode 13 happens, cause time travel to Universe B.
- Things were about to loop again, but because of events in Episode 11, things changed.
- In the end, only Bizon was teleported to Universe B, while Aoba et al are in Universe A (with modifications b/c of Episode 11)
- Universe B =/= Universe A
- Therefore, Bizon can't directly start war to kill Aoba for stealing Hina.
- !?!?!?!?!?
- Confused consumer of Anime.

Mar 31, 2014 12:26 AM

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mablibsking said:

ThangLong said:
Here are my theories about Buddy Complex:

The time travel in this anime does not rely on the time paradox like we had previously thought (based on assuming that Hina disappeared when travelling to the future because there would not be two Hina in a paradox). Instead, it is based on the multi-universe theory where they have jumped to another universe by the act of time traveling. Thus, both Hina and Aoba's actions here have no bearing on the previous universe and they cannot disappear because Hina didn't travel to the past (with the time paradox theory, not traveling to the past means the current Aoba will disappear because there's no Hina to bring him to the future).

According to the deceased Doctor, the Coupling tech closely resemble small time leaps. That explains why the mech can move with such speed and sometimes "jump" ahead of time. The anime loosely unitizes Quantum Mechanic to build up this phenomenon (Quantum particles cannot be observed and people have theorized that maybe they jump back and forth in another dimension to travel between multiple universes). Coupling tech has given the mech this ability and thus Aoba can see ahead of time or his mech can make small "leaps" ahead that create its incredible speed.

############

Based on the OP's lyrics and symbolism, the theme of this anime is changing fate. It was implied that Hina's fate is the same in multiple loops where she followed Bizon into the wormhole (Hina was sent to the past earlier than Bizon and she helped Aoba not getting killed from his inevitable arrival). However, what has changed this time around?

First, both Hina and Aoba were sent to the future. Hina was sent to Zagreb 10 years earlier and her body was devolved into a young kid while still wearing her oversized school uniform. She only remembered her name was Hina and was picked up by her adoptive dad. Aoba was sent to Luxon's cockpit as we see in ep2.

Something must have gone differently during the time when Aoba was trying to couple with Dio using SkyNight and FireBrand. In previous loops, Aoba failed to couple (as shown in ep11) leading to Dio not seeing Aoba's past. This time, Dio saw it so he did not prevent Aoba to chase after Hina to the wormhole and helped him puling Hina back as well as shooting Bizon's mech. This saved both Hina and Aoba from a never ending loop.

However, by destroying Bizon's mech, there's another consequence. It's uncleared whether doing that have changed their reality at the time by making masked Bizon the leader of Zogilia, or masked Bizon has always been around in the first place. Nevertheless, we can deduce that without his mech, Bizon cannot find Aoba in the past to kill him. Instead, Bizon is somehow able to go to the early Zogilia and work his way up to become the leader of that country!

Hence, the war may have started because Bizon's grudges and jealousy against Aoba have transcended space and time.

I agree with your entire theory, except I have a few questions that I'm a bit confused about @_@. I also think that the Bizon we see in the ending of the episode who speaks about its finally time to meet Aoba again. But you claiming that the war may have started because of Bizon's grudges and jealousy against Aoba is confusing me a bit.

To start off, you do recognize that this is not what was theorized before, which was the time travel in one universe, but rather a multiverse, in which they are travelling through. Then, it'd make sense that there was a loop with Hina, Bizon, and Aoba. However, this would suggest that every loop they've had (I don't know how many, could've been just that once as I'm being led to believe. But it is plausible that it has happened more than just once, perhaps many more times than imaginable.) concluded with Hina, Bizon, and Aoba being sent back. Then, Hina kills Bizon and sens Aoba back to the future, starting another loop. This is what I understand of the time loop before this one (again could be many time loops). This one that they're in right now, however, is different. This is because they stopped the loop and shot down Bizon, but he's a tenacious bastard so he's still alive. Anyways, this would make the first loop in which Bizon climbs up the ladders of Zogilia 74 years from the past, which by the way, would make him 94, as the wiki states he is 20. However, this is assuming it is the same Bizon. But then the question would be .... how is Bandai going to make this work?

What I mean by that question is that if we look at the time loop theory again, we would know that the current Hina and Aoba are in Universe A; while Bizon, having been teleported into Universe B. This is, of course, assuming that Multi-verse is the correct Quantum Theory. Therefore, Bizon in Universe B cannot directly affect Hina and Aoba directly in Universe A. Then, the question would be, how exactly did Bizon start a war for Nectoribium, which was a disguise to enact his revenge on Aoba. This is the part that kind of confuses me, and excuse me if I'm taking a joke seriously o_o. The problem is that it is impossible for this to happen, as if two Bizons are in the same Universe, either B or A, then wouldn't they cause a rip in the space-time fabric? Well this is what I know from Sci-Fi of course. And this also ignores the fact that they're not in a different universe from Bizon. So I'm actually quite confused and stoked for Bandai's magic band-aid to Time leap Paradox.

Tl;dr:
Time Leap Theory = Problems
Multi-verse Theory = Fits, but has problems with the future of S2.
- Current Aoba, Dio, Hina, and Bizon = Universe A
- Events in episode 13 happens, cause time travel to Universe B.
- Things were about to loop again, but because of events in Episode 11, things changed.
- In the end, only Bizon was teleported to Universe B, while Aoba et al are in Universe A (with modifications b/c of Episode 11)
- Universe B =/= Universe A
- Therefore, Bizon can't directly start war to kill Aoba for stealing Hina.
- !?!?!?!?!?
- Confused consumer of Anime.

But Bizon would be able to kill the Aoba of Universe B, wouldn't he? At this point, I don't think he cares if it's the same Aoba, so as to speak. The guy seems pretty deranged at this point, and we don't know how Aoba breaking the time loop affects the whole multiverse... in universe B, he wouldn't have to travel to the future, because Aoba/Hina/Dio in universe A assumed that he'd been killed.
And Hina... I think the commonly accepted theory now is that when Hina from episode 1 travelled to the past, she merged with her younger self (maybe her biological parents were living in Zagreb and had lost their lives), resulting in an amnesiac six-year-old girl wearing the oversized uniform of a Japanese high school. It would solve the conundrum of her not having an origin. I think the logic in this show can be reasoned out if we know just how far Bizon travelled in time and how much he's aged in the last scene (ie; how many years have passed).
I'm not really familiar with time travel theories, so hopefully you'll forgive me for any holes in my logic (I'm actually trying not to pay too attention to the time-travel factor in this show- in this case I really couldn't help myself- because I have a feeling I'll end up metaphorically banging my head against the wall when trying to figure this out. And I really like the show- not for the time-travel mystery itself, but because I find the character interactions to be fairly compelling.)

helenobellMar 31, 2014 12:45 AM

Mar 31, 2014 12:26 AM

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K1ngOfHeroes said:
Who was the blond haired chick and the purple-ish haired guy that were in the picture with Hina, Aoba and Dio right after the ED finished?

He is Ichijo Haku, and she is Chloe Villa.
Both of whom the characters of "coupling of the battlefield".

>> http://buddy-complex.bngames.net/images/pl_ch.jpg
GAME >> https://itunes.apple.com/jp/app/buddy-complex-coupling-battlefield/id796824968?l=en&mt=8
COMIC >> http://buddy-complex.jp/comics/comic_tameshi02.html

tomotomoMar 31, 2014 3:30 AM

Mar 31, 2014 1:47 AM

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mablibsking said:
I agree with your entire theory, except I have a few questions that I'm a bit confused about @_@. I also think that the Bizon we see in the ending of the episode who speaks about its finally time to meet Aoba again. But you claiming that the war may have started because of Bizon's grudges and jealousy against Aoba is confusing me a bit...

That is my tongue-in-cheek comment since Bizon's well deserved rage and comical failures amuse me. However it's also a possibility that the fact about masked Bizon starting the whole war for revenge is true.

First. we have to keep in mind that multiverse theory negates the law of consequences. There is limitless number of universes where any conceivable event can happen. For example, there are universes where Bizon won over Aoba, or universes where the three of them have never existed in the first place. In their absence, events may have started by different actors, leading to random conclusion. Remember Dio's supposed buddy Marcus who was killed in ep2? Without Aoba's jumping to that universe, they would have lost the war with Zogilia right there. Same with the child Hina 10 years earlier, Ryazan might have picked up a different girl and Bizon's friend would have been another person.

As multiverse jumpers (instead the time travel agents) Aoba, Bizon, and Hina alter the events of their destinate universe using the memory of the universe they departed. Thus, the events they created follow the similar paths as the previous universes, causing the looping effect for the three of them. Now, with the event that Aoba and Dio broke the loop, and masked Bizon became Zogilia's leader, there are two possible explanations:

Let's call
_ Ep1 universe where Aoba and Hina exist Universe A
_ Current event universe with young Bizon Universe B
_ Universe where masked Bizon exists Universe C

1) Masked Bizon and young Bizon are in the same universe:
- The events happened exactly the same in a random universe due to the nature of limitless possibility in mutilverse theory. That leads to an exact Bizon with the same trauma travel to Universe B 70 years ago.
- Universe B and Universe C are the same.
- Masked Bizon started the war in Universe B.
- Masked Bizon and young Bizon exist in the same universe, just that there's no interaction between the two.

2) Universe B and Universe C merged after the event in ep13:
- Universe B had some random Zogilia leader that caused the war.
- Universe C had only masked Bizon (without Hina and Aoba) and he built Zogilia exactly the same as the history that he remembered.
- According the multiverse theory, two parallel universes are extremely close to each other while the wormhole is just tiny tunnel that connects them. In fact, they are so dangerously closed that they can collide.
- The anime can base on that to say Universe B and Universe C (where masked Bizon traveled to) are merged in ep13, eliminating all divergent events and/or people besides the three jumpers Aoba, Hina, and masked Bizon. That includes random Zogilia's leader in Universe B, and random coupling pilots in Universe C.

In both of those cases, masked Bizon is the one started the war due to his grudge against Watase Aoba. I prefer the second possibility because we can add the "magic" of Bizon's unstoppable will for revenge that merges the two universes. This makes Bizon much more interesting (and comical) as a crazy antagonist. Aoba and Hina may not escape him after all because his grudge has altered space and time.

Mar 31, 2014 6:00 AM

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Very good episode! Bizon getting owned in the wormhole but he sadly survives it and he will try to get his revenge =O Looking forward to season 2!

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Mar 31, 2014 6:27 AM

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What an awesome ending that was. Really gets ur mind working to try and conclude what happened ^^ It wasn't too mindfucking but it wasn't spoon feeding either. Good stuff :D

And thnx for the explanation ThangLong ^^ It made everything more understandable even if they may not be 100% true [they're just theories in the end after all ^^]

So can we conclude from that Old Bizon being almost 94 years old? Having returned to the past without a mecha and having to wait all this time for Aoba to appear in this timeline?

Loved the mecha porn between the Coupled machines this ep. the Next version looked really cool ^^

Poor Hina having to have undergone possibly many loops. Props to Aoba realizing :)

Can't wait for S2...should be fun seeing them interact on the same ship now. Dio and Hina haven't interacted at all yet right? ^^

And gotta say I was LMAO'ing at Bizon the whole ep XD He just went totally insane and got NTR'd even with all that lololol

8/10 for me and hope S2 will be good :)

Mar 31, 2014 6:58 AM

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Time paradox somehow is not fixed anyway, and bizon started war and created zogilia empire seems after he got blowned up in 1st episode :)

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Mar 31, 2014 7:20 AM

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Season 2 when?

Mar 31, 2014 7:26 AM

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probably in fall will be naxrrhid

The spider is watching

Mar 31, 2014 7:42 AM

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This episode is worth watching Bizon suffer and turning into Darth Vader.
Season 2, I'll be waiting.

Mar 31, 2014 9:32 AM

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Aoba stopping Hina from repeating the cycle again. So it was Bizon that founded Zogillia all to have revenge on Aoba. Can't wait for the second season.

Mar 31, 2014 9:38 AM

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So, this was how the war on Zogilia started against the Alliance...

Because Bizon got sent back into the past, became some emperor and still wanted revenge...

There are alot of loops that the anime has to address in the second season. I am looking forward to it now that Hina is now on their side.

Surprisingly enjoyable for a simple anime that does not divert from the norm. Good action, decent story and likeable characters.

7/10 overall from me, decent anime.

Mar 31, 2014 9:38 AM

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Dang what an episode. They actually cleared up everything and left a nice tease for season 2. I just hope they don't keep me waiting too long for it.

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Mar 31, 2014 9:50 AM

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At first I started to have my doubts about this anime, then it got better and better and I fell in love with the coupling system, and now that I know what all rlly happened and it all got explained I gotta say the entire anime was in truth very well executed.

Mar 31, 2014 10:12 AM

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Oh okay so they had different conclusion for this "timeline"

The end makes me feel that Bizon is really really really the most pitiful character in this anime !!

Mar 31, 2014 10:16 AM

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It was a good show. Bizon had a bad time though.

Mar 31, 2014 10:17 AM

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Well, judging from how they resolved the time travel paradox issue with Hina relatively quickly, they'll probably be moving onto something better -- in fact we already know what it is: Bizon's return as Zogilia's highest authority. To be honest I'm just relieved by the fact that Hina didn't return to the same same timeline and was able to end up with Dio and Aoba.

Overall this season has been pretty good. I must say this series kind of feels like Valvrave. Both series are made up of absolute nonsense from time to time and thus seem like joke series, but they wrap up nicely at the end and actually come off as serious pieces of work. And hey, the bro love is carried over in this series too! Of course, Valvrave went all over the place. At least with Buddy Complex we more or less have a framework of what's going on and I rather liked the relationship between Aoba and Dio and Aoba and Hina. The soundtrack is superb. The art is also pretty clean as far as I can tell. I almost wish that we will end up with a more fitting villain than Bizon, but I guess it makes sense given that he's the only plausible main antagonist at this point. Here's looking forward to season two.

Mar 31, 2014 10:31 AM

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So it's a multiverse theory then.

1. where Hina is alive in the past, Aoba in the future and Bizon is dead. (Hina continues the cycle of saving Aoba.)

2. where Hina and Aoba stayed in the future while Bizon gets set back alive to the past. (Hina's time loop is stopped.)

There are still so many inconsistencies though, like how could the masked Bizon exist if the Zogilian empire wasn't even there to begin with and was the catalyst to send him back in time?

I'm definitely watching season 2 if it ever comes out and hope to get more answers.

8/10

Mar 31, 2014 10:34 AM

#43

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Pretty forgettable series. Felt like each episode I watched was more or less the same as the last. Very bland MC, at least for my tastes.

Perhaps a second season can turn things around. Will see.

Mar 31, 2014 10:36 AM

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OMG OMG OMG the time travel conclusion is just too awesome! They broke the time loop!

Fantastic! I'm glad I held on to this show.

Shall continue to wait for Season 2, time travel will still remain important to this show, given how this might be the curse of the Nectoribilium.

Mar 31, 2014 10:39 AM

#45

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Well this was pretty meh. I did however want to watch mecha anime so this did the job. Too many stupidities in it for me to rate it high. Not to mention I hated Hina with passion and whole military command chain seemed retarded, on both sides.

4/10

If 2nd season comes I will probably watch it, simply because I am a sucker for sci-fi based things.

Mar 31, 2014 10:56 AM

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wow i relly loved this "final" episode especially since the conclusion actually made alot of sense (well ..way more sense than in similar timetravel paradox anime).

i didnt like this show that much initially but it has grown on me and i enjoyed the second half of it much more. i was torn on the rating but the final episode managed to finish this season with a good and fitting ending which i value highly!

8/10 especially since i enjoy mecha anime with actually good looking mechs.

season 2 yay!

Mar 31, 2014 10:57 AM

#47

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Plot hole spotted.
If Dio didn't stop Aoba and they destroyed Bizon's Mecha that'll mean that Aoba SHOULD have lived a normal life in his time period w/o ever going into the future! At the same this means that Hina would've stayed as a random Zogilia soldier would she not?

Mar 31, 2014 10:58 AM

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_Tako_ said:
Plot hole spotted.
If Dio didn't stop Aoba and they destroyed Bizon's Mecha that'll mean that Aoba SHOULD have lived a normal life in his time period w/o ever going into the future! At the same this means that Hina would've stayed as a random Zogilia soldier would she not?

Multiple timelines yo

Mar 31, 2014 11:00 AM

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lol @ Bizon creating Zogillia just to kill Aoba? xD

"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD"

Mar 31, 2014 11:10 AM

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So much hate for Bizon, I mean the guy was just in love and he was like legibly in love he was pretty much the love interest for Hina till Aoba showed up, but then the confusing time thing makes it hard to recognize who was there first. In any case, this show has so much NTR, because technically Bizon was a good guy who got turned into a bad guy from all the crap that's happened to him he's not the one that forced Hina into the cockpit that doctor did, he did force a kiss though, but if she never met Aoba she prolly enjoy it and his blindly love for Hina turned him into a monstet. Which isn't that different from Aoba's love for Hina. if I could make the argument Hina is the real antagonist in the series, look at all the carp she puts people through lol(jk)Love is blind, here I don't hate Bizon though I feel extremely sorry for him. I dunno who second season Bizon is, but he was my favorite char from season 1, I don't care much about Aoba, I do like Dio though, hope they give him more char development.

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Mar 31, 2014 11:22 AM

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April Fool's Day story by official site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0M7EB1TpJk

It was very interesting.

Mar 31, 2014 11:32 AM

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Wasn't aoba supposed to dissapear if hina didn't go in the time portal? If she didn't get there to get him in the past then how did aoba get to the future?!
fuck you buddy complex 6/10

Mar 31, 2014 11:46 AM

#53

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Aoba saved Hina from the time loop T___T

Bizon survived. Created Zogilla just to get revenge on Aoba : O. Current Bizon is gone right?

Can't wait for Season 2

Mar 31, 2014 12:00 PM

#54

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mother fucking Bizon still alive hopefully he get sht on more in the 2nd season

Mar 31, 2014 12:06 PM

#55

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Bizon is such a possessive jerk. He rages too much. That guy at the end seems to be Bizon, still obsessing over killing Aoba -sigh-
And Dio is such a Tsundere~

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Mar 31, 2014 12:10 PM

#56

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Wow that was surprising. Did not expect Hina to be in an infinite time loop, poor girl. (Imagine how many puberty she had to go through. sorry had to say this XD)

New mechs look awesome again. God damn Bizon shut up and die. I was really laughing out loud when he was raging and shouting "CONNECT WITH HINA!!!!!"

I love this series so much and im glad at least from the comments lots of people do too. It has a good storyline not the best but good. Great OP by Miho and fabulous ED by Choucho. Kinda expect it to not get resolve but damn its the 2nd show i watched this season that waited till the final moments to announce a season 2 like Hamatora. Felt like i got trolled. 9/10

DarkRyuusei said:
Wasn't aoba supposed to dissapear if hina didn't go in the time portal? If she didn't get there to get him in the past then how did aoba get to the future?!
fuck you buddy complex 6/10

Pretty sure the series's universe is working on the Multiverse concept

ArcanaTraceMar 31, 2014 12:14 PM

Mar 31, 2014 12:16 PM

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tomotomo said:
April Fool's Day story by official site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0M7EB1TpJk

It was very interesting.

lmao what the fuck xD pretty cool tho.

Mar 31, 2014 12:17 PM

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Wtf? I thought Aoba shot Bizon out of his mech? Well, it seems he did travel to the past, and stayed there becoming a prune until the present future where he's a carbon copy of Darth Vader+Professor X, but less cool.

Still didn't explain how they got into that time-paradox cycle in the first place. and now that the cycle has been broken, how the f*** did Aoba get to the future, if he himself stopped Hina from going into the past to send him in the future!? Then there's the damn hairpin's origin that's been bugging me since they showed it.

Who was the yellow-eyed, black-haired dude from the endcard? Looks strangely similar to Aoba.

This crappy end was obviously leading into a second season, but if by chance it gets canned, my score for this first season is going to drop.

Edit: Forgot to mention; now that Hina isn't going back into the past (which makes me wonder which timeline she came from), she wouldn't be wearing that over-sized school uniform while young again and being found in that rubble by her adopted father, and thus not become a Zogilia solder, which means she wouldn't have even met Aoba!

F*** your multiverse. Steins;Gate did it better.

Estoy_GordoMar 31, 2014 12:35 PM

Mar 31, 2014 12:21 PM

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tomotomo said:
April Fool's Day story by official site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0M7EB1TpJk
It was very interesting.

That is very funny indeed!

Here are some tidbits from the anime showing how tight the writing is:

- Normally, two enemy pilots cannot communicate because both sides use enscripted communication. The reason Aoba can call Hina in ep13 is that stolen Luxon's cockpit was installed in her mech because Dr. Hahn hadn't been able to build a good coupling cockpit matching Elvira's creation yet as stated previously. That stolen cockpit still has Elvira's special coupling communication program so Aoba uses it to call Hina just as Dio did in ep8. Bizon doesn't know about it and he was very confused as the result.

- Hina heard about Dio the first time in ep8. There, Aoba repeated her line: "Dio is waiting for you" verbatim. That's why Hina knows about the importance of Dio and says that to Aoba in previous time loops.

- Portable Nectar canon (one that can be carried on mech instead of battleships) is first debuted by Alfred in ep3 and the Alliance was believed to have nothing like it. That's why the reveal of Aoba and Dio's new coupling mech with portable Nectar canons comes as a surprise for everyone. Better yet, those canons are the ones that destroy Bizon's mech, but beam attack is precise enough not to kill him so he can recover as the leader of Zogilia!

- Gorgon canon's energy output is equivalent to 50 Megaton of TNTs. This is a homage to human's most powerful bomb ever created, the thermonuclear Tsar Bomba, measured power at 50 Megaton of TNTs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMYYEsKvHvk. That much power pluses the Quantum anomaly used by Coupling tech as well as Aoba and Hina's 120% Emphater level does make wormhole creation sound very plausible. Buddy Complex plays with Sci-fi elements pretty well.

DarkRyuusei said:
Wasn't aoba supposed to dissapear if hina didn't go in the time portal? If she didn't get there to get him in the past then how did aoba get to the future?!
fuck you buddy complex 6/10

It does not look like time paradox but rather multiverse and I have talked about this theory earlier in the thread.

ThangLongMar 31, 2014 2:32 PM

Mar 31, 2014 12:23 PM

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9/10

Will surely watch 2nd season of it..

I cannot bring myself to rate anime that I have completed below 5. Well, it just because I have use up my precious time to watch it. so, the worse you will get from me is 5 (changes may apply)

Mar 31, 2014 12:26 PM

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This show for me has been really weak up until this episode, their time traveling and multiple timelines has gotten me really interested now. The key differences of the timeline that Aoba and Dio saves Hina and blasts Bizon is that in this timeline Bizon traveled back and founded Zogilia. My only question is, why is Aoba still in the "future" if Hina was never sent back to send him there, unless multiple-timelines converging is in play.

Mar 31, 2014 12:26 PM

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On to the next season, btw no doubt, that Bizon becomes the leader of Zogilia, in fact I'm thinking that he founded Zogilia when he got into that time wrap.

Mar 31, 2014 12:30 PM

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Plot hole spotted.

Aww, the words that burns my soul.

Mar 31, 2014 12:37 PM

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Oh, and in case no one realized yet, the majority of the plot was revealed in ep1. Hina called her mech CVP-014A, which is in short for Coupling Valiancer Prototype-014A

Mar 31, 2014 12:40 PM

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They explained the time travelling better then I thought they would so i give them credit for that. The anime was pretty meh but he final few episodes were really good. I personally liked the art and animation. I really think they underused the blonde general and her one fight scene was crap. I just felt that the villains were far more interesting and compelling and I almost root for them. I am fine with that and it doesn't effect my score but I doubt that was the intention of the anime.

Mar 31, 2014 1:01 PM

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Bizon goes bye bye and then he comes back... Lovely. Looks like a second season is coming, not that I enjoyed the first season much but I'll still watch.

Mar 31, 2014 1:22 PM

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See! SEE! See where his batshit-ness took him!?
I think the one we really should blame is that creep Hahn.

We get rid of one paradox-loop, and we face an interesting consequence. Ready for S2!

Did the Gorgon blew up or did I miss something? The fight was difficult to follow completely and it's not even CGI. SO flashy.

Mar 31, 2014 1:46 PM

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Seriously, what a shame. I didn't like the moment when Bizon died. I loved whenever he shout "HIIINAAAAA!!!"

That's hilarious.

Mar 31, 2014 2:14 PM

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What i need to know, is how the time loop started, can someone explain this to me?

Mar 31, 2014 2:15 PM

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Thank you ThangLong for your insights, makes me appreciate this show more, at least in terms of the the time travel bits.

I enjoyed few episodes here and there, the battle scenes were cool, I like the coupling system. Aoba is a nice guy, but I don't find him very interesting. I perferred Dio and Hina, and Fromm seems like a funner character too. This last episode though was pretty enjoyable, except for too much screaming from Bizon :/ that guy went nuts.

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