| I would like someone to please identify what is "anime." I have found various problems in the database that need more detailed clarification. Foreign Anime On the database there are works that have been created in Korea, such as There She Is, and Cheonnyeon-yeowoo Yeowoobi. Many series I've watched also had Koreans listed on the credits. Series where westerners were involved are also available, like Witchblade, Gotham Knight, and Basquash. However, series such as Avatar the Last Airbender were animated in Korea, and still not accepted. Recap Specials, and Foreign Edits There are also recap specials such as Death Note, Eureka Seven, and Kurokami. For some reason though, the US produced recaps for Naruto, and Konjiki no Gash Bell are not allowed. The excuse of it was just a US edit also can't be made since DragonBall Z (US) has it's own entry. This also brings up the question of why 4kids edits of One Piece, Sonic X, Tokyo Mew Mew, and others don't get a entry of their own. Music Videos Why does the music video of 5cm Per Second get it's own entry? I can understand why music video's for other series can get submitted since there was new animation, but for this, it was nearly the same as a AMV. It doesn't take that much effort to make, and doesn't even have special effects added like the Seto no Hanayome Fan Disc. Also, do music video's have to be over a minute? The Hinagiku PV I had tried submitting it earlier, and it was said to be rejected for this reason. Promo/Pilot Promotional specials for Kiddy Grade 2, Ef, and Negima have been allowed onto the database. However the 2 original pilots for Sonic X (link1 link2) aren't allowed. These both feature original animation that are not featured on the TV series. One of them doesn't even give the same concept. Doujin Anime Unoriginal doujin anime also aren't allowed in the database. For example, the Touhou anime was rejected, since it's not related to the original creator. However, series likeThere She Is are there. I was wondering, could my own self produced ONA be allowed onto the database? It has yet to be released, and uses music sound effects that I don't legally own. Also, there is currently a fully voiced manga project for the doujinshi, Onani Master Kurosawa. Since Picture Drama like Shigofumi and Code Geass are allowed, can this be accepted too? Sorry for all the trouble, but these questions have bothered me for a while. Thanks. |
ternalnodoreiAug 14, 2009 4:45 PM
chinlamp said: Also, to the original poster, are you sure Avatar is made in Korea? I'm pretty sure it's an American production done anime style. It's more like a collaboration. As far as I know, the storyboards, script, character designs, etc are first made in the US. Then the animation is done in Korea, and sent back to the America for final revision, and adding sound. |
| Isn't manhua, manga, and manhwa the same hanzi/kanji/hanja/ in all 3 languages? Wouldn't that kinda make them the same thing? Sure they all have different styles of drawing. But manga alone has many distinct styles. |
YuuzoraAug 21, 2009 8:54 AM
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radiantfire said: I believe the admins and mods here in MAL disregard being so bureaucratic as to what is added in the database. Sure we want to be consistent, but we don't want to block off every thing that isn't considered anime or manga. Some manwha get a fair amount of scanlation, and have thus been added. I totally agree with the premise of this argument but I can see where its actually a lot more complicated than you are making it. As you noted yourself, manwha is added to the database even though nobody is even trying to claim its manga, simply because some of the moderators really like it. I'm sure some people would take offense to this but I'm fine with it. But then we run into issues like "can AMV Hell be included in the database?" and yeah, from a strict "is this anime?" standpoint it can't. But then people remember your argument and suddenly it feels like "exceptions are made when the moderators feel like it" which seems extremely unfair. Why should some people's tastes be given greater merit simply because they are moderators? I think an effort should me made to either streamline the submission process or make it more democratic. Perhaps some sort of polling could be employed? Sure, this might mean that some "fake anime" sneak in, but then again AEon Flux can hardly claim any more validity than Avatar and yet it can be found in the database. |
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Well, that certainly goes a long way and I thank you for it; but it still fails to address a lot of the entries mentioned on this forum. Also, I find myself very perturbed by the line "Exception: Dragon Ball Z USA". Why does it get an exception? If nothing else, why aren't shows like "Cardcaptors" which have a different title, number of episodes, and plot than the original get their own entry? |
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shadowcat2323 said: Also, I find myself very perturbed by the line "Exception: Dragon Ball Z USA". Why does it get an exception? If nothing else, why aren't shows like "Cardcaptors" which have a different title, number of episodes, and plot than the original get their own entry? I must say, I feel the same as shadowcat2323. Though I understand your (the moderators') point for making such a decision I'm still unsure on how I feel about it. If I may ask, is the US version of Dragon Ball any different than the original serires? I saw some of the episodes are missing, but is there any other difference than this one? I would think it probably got censored as anime airing outside of Japan usually do... |
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| I started a topic in Anime Discussion a while back: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=108048. Looking at the dates, I was a few days after sonicspin posted this one, but w/e. My original premise I can now tell was rather a bit off, and I've since changed my opinion somewhat. There was quite a bit of back & forth, but not much else. My views are such: • I completely agree with Kyuu4's various points there. My main reason for wondering about the definition of 'anime' is whether an anime can originate elsewhere but Japan. One example would be, what if an American/European/non-J/K/C company wanted to make an anime? Another, what if a Japanese studio, really liking the stories & designs of an America writer/artist, hired them to work on an original series? • Hypeathon also makes a good point in the final post. Anime is a style, and non-J/K/C artists & studios should be able to use it and label it as such. • Yojiro made good point (as have others) about the target audience defining anime. In my opinion, it's best to combine these definitions: Anime is an animation which either: created with the intent of a primarily Japanese (or other accepted Asian) audience; or intentionally created in a recognizably 'anime' style, usually visually. However — This has very little impact on the recently announced MAL Database Guidelines. As per Clobclark's post, the purpose of MAL's database is rather ambiguous. I'm not sure this is the appropriate place to post my opinions on this, but I'd tend towards wanting a more "casual place" model with exceptions in individual cases. |
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| I'm not sure how much good this will do, if any, at this point, but if it helps anyone - moderators or otherwise - I'd like to contribute. The single defining factor for what I do and do not consider anime has always been whether or not it was originally released in the Japanese language, regardless of if or how it was later redubbed or rewritten into other languages. Hence, shows like Avatar, The Boondocks, and possibly IGPX (I'm not fully aware of the details on that particular example) wouldn't be considered anime. Does this definition cause any problems in terms of non-anime/manga content, though? I can only imagine it clashing with user-created material such as the afforementioned music videos or promotions, but there's always the distinct possibility that I'm just plain ignorant. |
| I don't really like the "intended for x audience" way of judging what is anime. Anime is becoming increasingly international on the market so there will be much more diverse and we'll probably be seeing shows aimed more for audinces overseas than Japanese. It's no accident Cowboy Bebop has been such a successes in the U.S. it was more geared for Western Audiences than Japanese. I think just judging by the amount of Japanese staffing and input into an anime is the best way to go rather than try to gauge who is made for what. I mean I can see why Avatar would not be accepted it was created by Americans with an American company. Dr. Movie does it's animation but that is just outsourced, and I don't know much about Dante's Inferno but from reading around here it does sound like it was outsourced work to foreign studios. I could be making too much over semantics but it usually does matter. EDIT: Also as a matter of curiosity why do we accept music videos like CLAMP in Wonderland, First Squad, Falling Down, into the database but not game cutscenes? |
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