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Apr 4, 2014 2:46 AM
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As expected, Lisa Lisa is Jojo's hot sexy oka-san. I'm a bit miffed that we didn't get to see her fight a bit more with her impressive skills.

Vampires vs. Nazi Cyborgs. This is getting too good.
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Apr 30, 2014 3:50 AM

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I'm just pissed i didn't get to see lisa lisa fight properly, i was really looking forward to that :'(

But damn, jojo was peeking at his own mother in the bath LOL
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Apr 30, 2014 7:06 AM

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Holy shit. Did they just use Guile theme song?
May 17, 2014 4:56 PM

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May 18, 2014 10:56 AM

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Oh, they finally confirmed that Lisa Lisa is JoJo's mom. I was confused previously with characters acting like she isn't, though it was obvious, and even was mentioned in the beginning of the arc.
Jun 14, 2014 4:41 PM

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KAAARRRRSSSSS!

Great episode. Kars was fabulous and treacherous like any good villain should be.
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Jul 20, 2014 7:24 PM

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Been a while since I last watched JoJo's, and episodes like this remind me why I like JoJo's.
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Aug 9, 2014 7:09 PM

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Oh hello no. I'm with JoJo, I loathe Kars.
Also, like others have mentioned, how the story treated Lisa Lisa is appalling.

fluffybunnyboy said:
Redfoxoffire said:
I don't like this turn of events. Why does the one tough female character have to be immediately downgraded to damsel in distress status? I know the show is about macho men, but that's kind of insulting.

"Kind of" is an understatement. ^^;;;

But, Araki has said that it was considered taboo to have fighting women in shonen manga in the 80's, and he personally did not really warm up to that idea until about the time of Stone Ocean, which was about a decade later.

Unfortunate, but it is what it is.
Here I was thinking that this show was surprisingly modern about female characters fighting, but nope. It was no different from the standards of the time. It's not surprising, considering that Shonen Jump is pretty unwilling to have badass female fighters even today. Sigh. I feel so bummed about Lisa Lisa's treatment. I wouldn't have felt this disappointed if we weren't told she was incredibly strong in the first place. But to be told that and to have Lisa Lisa's rightful fight be taken away so cruelly...

I don't blame Araki, but I hope Stone Ocean rectifies this. Seriously.
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Aug 12, 2014 4:47 AM

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WUUUUT? So we can't see Lisa Lisa have a proper fight? Wow really didnt expect her to went down so quickly. ( I know its not her fault) Really want to see her having a full length duel dammit
Aug 12, 2014 9:34 AM
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CookieBun said:
Oh hello no. I'm with JoJo, I loathe Kars.
Also, like others have mentioned, how the story treated Lisa Lisa is appalling.

fluffybunnyboy said:

"Kind of" is an understatement. ^^;;;

But, Araki has said that it was considered taboo to have fighting women in shonen manga in the 80's, and he personally did not really warm up to that idea until about the time of Stone Ocean, which was about a decade later.

Unfortunate, but it is what it is.
Here I was thinking that this show was surprisingly modern about female characters fighting, but nope. It was no different from the standards of the time. It's not surprising, considering that Shonen Jump is pretty unwilling to have badass female fighters even today. Sigh. I feel so bummed about Lisa Lisa's treatment. I wouldn't have felt this disappointed if we weren't told she was incredibly strong in the first place. But to be told that and to have Lisa Lisa's rightful fight be taken away so cruelly...

I don't blame Araki, but I hope Stone Ocean rectifies this. Seriously.


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Sep 13, 2014 5:09 PM

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German science saves the day.
Oct 4, 2014 9:51 PM

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Cars is a fucking cheater. He has no honor.. pathetic little bastard. He can't be compared to Wham. But it's undeniable that Cars is a great villain.

I was spoiled about Lisa Lisa's real identity so I'm not surprised but if I wasn't I'd be flipping right now.
Oct 19, 2014 9:45 AM
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Okay I get cars backstabbing Lisa Lisa dishonors Wham and further shows him to be the ultimate opponent for Jojo, but this was still an incredibly disappointing episode. I'm kinda upset they did Lisa Lisa like this. I have been waiting for soooo long to see her fight at full strength, being both Jojo's and Caesar's teacher. She could have been beaten in a better way. Is it because she's a female she doesn't get to actually fight? I hate the cliche Damsel in distress routine. I definitely don't like how this ended.
Oct 19, 2014 9:47 AM
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Shanks_Man said:
WUUUUT? So we can't see Lisa Lisa have a proper fight? Wow really didnt expect her to went down so quickly. ( I know its not her fault) Really want to see her having a full length duel dammit

exactly!
Dec 10, 2014 5:37 PM

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I had a fucking feeling that she was jojo's mother when she said she was that baby O_O
FEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK LIIIISSSAAAAA LIIIISSAAAAAA well she is still alive maybe ??? idk with this show XD
intense fucking episode I hope jojo bets the shit out of him next episode
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Mar 24, 2015 3:12 PM

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Lisa Lisa is confirmed as Jojo's mother but if the viewer was paying attention it was revealed that his mother was the child that his grand parents saved on the ship since episode 10. I did not like the fact they she didn't get an opportunity to show her fighting ability and just became a damsel in distress.
May 15, 2015 4:43 AM

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Just when the situation got worse I thought about that german bastard and there he is.
May 20, 2015 11:06 PM

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I refuse to accept that the all-powerful ripple/hamon master got like one minute of a fight scene and was pretty much destroyed



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Jun 15, 2015 7:30 PM

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Man I wanted to see Lisa Lisa fight longer hottest milf.
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Jul 29, 2015 4:21 PM

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Wamuu was one of the most respectable villains I've come across in anime.

I'm a bit disappointed that the German soldiers are playing a major role in the story.
Oct 14, 2015 4:16 PM
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That Whams fight and his death scene. Was pretty epic.
Nov 24, 2015 7:10 PM

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So Cars did betray them after all! He's such an asshole, even with his fabulous hair.
Lisa went down so easily too, it just shows how powerful Cars is. I wonder how Joseph is gonna end off the fight. Also I hope Lisa gets to talk to him a little bit before dying. Great episode
Dec 23, 2015 6:41 AM

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Espada92 said:
That Whams fight and his death scene. Was pretty epic.

Dec 26, 2015 1:58 AM

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Soo Lisa Lisa has entered milf status.. but come on girl, I expected more of a fight from you.
Also, I knew in the back of my mind that Kars would never play fair.

I'm actually glad that he turned the tables yet again because I felt like it was out of character for him to agree to Wamuu's terms of engagement.

Btw, Stroheim is giving me GI Joe vibes. He would totally fit the role as a German super Nazi antagonist.
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Mar 8, 2016 4:36 AM
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Wham died a good death. At least he is respectable unlike Cars. What a d*ckhead move. Lisa Lisa is Jojo's mother. The first thing that came up in my head is that scene where Jojo peeked through that keyhole to see Lisa Lisa XD

5/5
Mar 10, 2016 7:36 PM

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Kars sayin you're already dead to his vampires

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Mar 10, 2016 7:42 PM

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Honorable warrior Blueford vs Jonathan followed by less honorable Tarkus vs Jonathan in a fight involving a chain risking the life of his teacher, Zeppeli

Honorable warrior Wamuu vs Joseph followed by less honorable Kars vs Joseph in a fight involving a rope risking the life of his teacher, Lisa Lisa.

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Apr 7, 2016 12:56 PM
Supreme Tsundere

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Respect to Wham, that was a really great episode! Hope Kars burns in hell soon!!

Also I knew Lisa Lisa was the baby, but I kinda forgot to think about the link, so she being his mother was kinda shocking all in all.
Apr 10, 2016 12:27 PM

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My favourite episode so far. Enjoyed it to the maximum. The speech of dying Wamuu and Stroheim badass moment did it for me.
We also got to see Cars in the action. This episode was just too much to handle. 5/5
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May 1, 2016 11:20 AM

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God dammit Kars, he saved the puppy and the flowers yet... disrespecting Whamuu like that... I really liked Whamuu :(
May 5, 2016 6:57 PM

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Yes!!! The Nazis showed up, sweet!! Wait...what the-

Hair goals af...also turns out Kars is pretty damn fine under that turban and cape thingy, too bad he also turns out to be a colossal asshat as well.
Although I did cry with laughter when he started stroking Lisa Lisa's legs...still not sure if he was fondling her or just testing out some guitar riffs.

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May 9, 2016 7:41 AM

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Kars you are a disgrace for using such cheap tricks!
Stroheim appeared with a big BANG, awesome as always.
JoJo save your mother!
May 14, 2016 2:15 PM
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One of the interesting things about Kars as a villain is that he is a foil to Joseph. Both are highly pragmatic fighters, who understand that in battles to the death just about anything goes. THE DIFFERENCE is that Joseph has lines he is unwilling to cross. He WON'T abandon the innocent to save his own hide, and doesn't indulge in pointless cruelty. He also KEEPS his promises to friends, as shown when he refuses to take the antidote until he beats Wammu, as he feels to do otherwise would dishonor Caesar's memory. These differences are we we can simultaneously love Joseph while hating Kars.

Finally, on the Lisa Lisa note. The first time I read that scene I HATED It with a vengeance. Since then my perspective has changed, somewhat. While I still don't like it, I appreciate it for being a product of its time. I Also feel that if you have to take out a badass such as Lisa Lisa so easily this is the way to do it. With a trick so dirty not even Joseph himself would sink to it. It helps paint a picture of Kars as someone afraid to take Lisa Lisa on in a fair fight Although that might be overly generous of me.
Jun 30, 2016 1:44 PM

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Wow, that final form was really crazy.

But of course JoJo outsmarted Wamuu with that bandana and liquid trick to set him on fire, badass!

I can't believe he gave Wamuu some blood to ease his death at the end like he showed Caesar respect, but that was a lot of blood, looked like JoJo should've passed out or died.

Kars using a double was a cheap trick (that could've been a character name since it's a band lol). Then he stole the stone! pfft.

Stroheim and his army and the UV lights! that's clever.

Dangling Lisa Lisa! OMG and she is JoJo's mother D:

It's just as well JoJo was never attracted to her lol. Otherwise that would've been wrong and awkward lol.
Jul 17, 2016 8:39 PM

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This show really knows how to make villains likeable, except for Kars. Fucking scum.

And that plot-twist, I had a feeling Lisa-Lisa was related to Jojo, like being his aunt, but damn. And Jojo was doing some questionable things a few episodes earlier, and then you find out she's your mother? Damn
Sep 24, 2016 5:25 AM

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i already knew this spoiler from reading a discussion a few eps back where several commented it because some people are extremely selfish individuals who only want to express their feels and hence ruining it for everyone else. This is despite the fact I carefully rewatched and found zilch clues (obvious) that directly point to that conclusion. Being a hamon user is not necessarily just a genetic trait, the first affirmed joestar was not born with hamon abilities. He was physically ordinary like his father before him.

Even so, ponder this, maybe not everyone is as gifted as you special snowflakes to draw to that conclusion. Maybe don't be a colossal douche mcnugget and ruin it for everyone else?

Well thanks for that you particular guys and gals, thanks.


And no, adding ... to the end of your lame sentence doesn't make your comment any less insidious.
Cloud_IllusionSep 24, 2016 6:05 AM
Nothing can happen until you swing the bat.
Sep 30, 2016 4:07 AM

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"And that kids, is how I met my mother."- Joseph Joestar
He'll definitely have a story that will be passed on for generations.

Wamuu is an honorable man. His death made me respect him as a warrior indeed. I also give him my salute.

Kars on the other hand, has no honor at all. That damn cheater.

His only redeeming features are his hair and electric guitar skills (the luscious legs of a Hamon user counts, right?)








Dec 13, 2016 8:15 AM
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Lisa Lisa is the Jojo´s mom!!!!
Dec 28, 2016 9:15 PM
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Wow what a great episode oh man
Jan 6, 2017 6:13 PM

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Wham >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cars


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Jan 26, 2017 6:11 AM

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I wish Wamuu is the last boss, he's more likable than Kars

German Guile is too OP xD

Noiiceeee..
Joseph, you remember that one time you peeked?
Yeah... Noiceeee xD
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Feb 17, 2017 1:28 PM

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To think JoJo had the hots for his mom...

That's some dank Oedipus shiz right there.
Feb 17, 2017 4:17 PM
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To think JoJo had the hots for his mom...

That's some dank Oedipus shiz right there.
To be fair he had no idea she was his mom at the time.

This goes for Joseph and Oedipus.
Mar 28, 2017 10:03 AM

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Lisa got quite beat up, but wait she's Jojo's mom?! Wutttt??
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Apr 1, 2017 10:07 PM

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So did Kars do guitar noises when he held up LisaLisa's legs in the original too? Because I just watched it on Toonami and I thought that was something they threw in because it's still kind of April Fool's yet.
Apr 2, 2017 5:37 AM
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So did Kars do guitar noises when he held up LisaLisa's legs in the original too? Because I just watched it on Toonami and I thought that was something they threw in because it's still kind of April Fool's yet.
It's in the Japanese version as well. Though the dub makes it an elegtric guitar.
Apr 6, 2017 8:59 AM

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Von Stroheim!!!! He shall never die!
Apr 11, 2017 6:33 AM
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Really great episode. I'm really loving it since Wamuu vs Caesar fight, I wasn't that much involved in the show before that, but since then it has been a great watch. I liked the reveal of Cars' true nature, and I'm perfectly getting is point, this is a death battle, you can follow your principles if you want, but you shouldn't be surprised when someone use every advantage he have to win. The part when he was playing with Lisa Lisa's legs was so random and unexpected, it made me laugh out loud with a big "WTF ?". Oh, and Stroheim voice is still genius, those god damn high pitches note the voice actor hits are so funny haha.

I didn't remember that the baby Erina saved was the mother of Jojo, even if I know that they had this discussion about the babies in the first episode of the part 2, so it was a nice reveal for me, and sent shivers down my spine, I'm really caring about the characters now, especially JoJo and Caesar. This part is so much better than the first one, I'm glad I gave it a try
Apr 26, 2017 3:24 AM

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always wondered why JoJo's parents were just "dead" when Part 2 started, didn't think that Lisa Lisa would be his mother, but it's not that much of a surprise imo :D

great end to Wham who jumped around poking holes in vampires with his horned head, oh well lol
next episode should be interesting!
Apr 29, 2017 3:53 AM

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WamuuFEELS bible thump
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