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Feb 22, 2013 7:52 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Pretty good episode. I enjoyed watching Caesar in action fighting. Oh the blood and struggles. Loved the soundtrack of this episode and Caesar's declaration.

Wow that ending was just powerful. Caesar!! ;.;
 
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Feb 22, 2013 7:54 AM

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The episode was great, but Jojo and Lisa Lisa was not suppose to be close to the house. The scene was modified compared to the manga. Lisa Lisa doesn't react as in the manga.

Edit: I am wrong, it the same as in the manga.
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Feb 22, 2013 7:58 AM

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Great directing in this episode, the last half was very emotional and powerwul.
Unfortunately I am not as knowledgable about opera songs so I don't know which song they used for the last few minutes.
 
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Feb 22, 2013 11:22 AM
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I knew about what's going to happen in this ep but still. I cried in my heart a little at the end. Great ep.
 
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Feb 22, 2013 12:55 PM

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omg ;o; You did a great job Caesar ;o; That's was a great fight!

R.I.P. Caesar >o<


 
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Feb 22, 2013 6:18 PM

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Damn, I could feel the emotion Sugita put into this.

You gave it your all, Caesar. Godspeed!
 
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Feb 22, 2013 6:31 PM
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Caesar and the animators did great jobs! My keyboard got wet;_;

Nidhoeggr said:

Unfortunately I am not as knowledgable about opera songs so I don't know which song they used for the last few minutes.

The song was written for the scene.The title is "Il mare eterno nella mia anima" From the official message.
 
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Feb 22, 2013 10:05 PM
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That was powerful... May your soul rest in peace, Caesar. You did a great job.
 
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Feb 22, 2013 10:54 PM

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This is exactly the "人間讃歌" (the song in praise of humanity).
 
Feb 23, 2013 12:34 AM

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If anyone needs me, I'll be crying myself to sleep........
 
Feb 23, 2013 12:44 AM

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That was quite the episode..I wasn't expecting Caesar to get killed (haven't read the manga), It was quite sad at the end, the music was very fitting
 
Feb 23, 2013 1:24 AM

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Hamon Cutter/ Hamon Cutter/ Hamon Cutter/ Hamon Cutter/ Hamon Cutter
Good times playing good japanese fighting games.
 
Feb 23, 2013 1:26 AM

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CAESAR NO!! WWWRRRYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Caesar and Wham were both really awesome in this episode not only through their fights but seeing the kind of characters they are. Starting with the fights, it was pretty intense like watching two alpha wolves fighting each other in a showdown for the ages. I was actually pretty surprised when Caesar had Wham on the ropes with his Bubble Cutter and intellect but then I was reminded of the ominous Zeppeli flashback at the beginning like his grandfather before him.

After Caesar got owned and was punching Wham senselessly I liked how Wham didn't finish him off and just let him be since Caesar was going to die already. Wham really does hold honor among warriors in the highest regard. In true Zeppeli fashion though, Caesar gave his last ripple through a bubble which just made my heart sink. To even add to the tragedy though, a boulder crushes him in the form of a cross akin to being a martyr like Jesus. Maybe I'm just reading too much into the symbolism there.

Finally David Productions, puts me into manly wailing mode with the Opera music when Lisa Lisa and JoJo piece together what happened. After they saw Caesar's Bloody stream coming out of the boulder, I was wailing with them in my mind being swept up in the mood.

All I have to say is GOOD FUCKING JOB DAVID PRODUCTIONS AND ARAKI sensei

Kinda weird to think this is a Shonen Jump series when you compare the execution to others in that magazine. Just on another tier along with HxH
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Feb 23, 2013 2:23 AM

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Man, the battle sure feel short but nevertheless its awesome. Almost shed a manly near during the end scene.

I love the JJBA Allstar commercial. Won't mind to see more.
Beautiful Cinnamon Roll Too Good For This World
 
Feb 23, 2013 3:28 AM
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Now, if you thought this was good, the best part of the manga is just starting next week, according to the preview. This is what I've been waiting for.
 
Feb 23, 2013 3:57 AM
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wailofthebanshee said:
Now, if you thought this was good, the best part of the manga is just starting next week, according to the preview. This is what I've been waiting for.


Indeed Wail, this is when things get the best until Part 3 of course.

I cannot wait. Cars and Wham will pay.

Also, where is that troll that has been lurking around here. He has said nothing about this episode.
 
Feb 23, 2013 4:03 AM

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Hybridbloodszak said:
After they saw Caesar's Bloody stream coming out of the boulder


Like a Bloody Storm~
Atsuku LIKE A BLOODY STONE~

Hybridbloodszak said:

All I have to say is GOOD FUCKING JOB DAVID PRODUCTIONS AND ARAKI sensei

Kinda weird to think this is a Shonen Jump series when you compare the execution to others in that magazine. Just on another tier along with HxH


There's a reason why this series is hailed as a classic and why Battle Tendency is the favourite of many Jojo fans.
I eagerly await Ben Hur next week.
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Feb 23, 2013 4:03 AM

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Well, I knew it was gonna happen. It was sad in the manga but I didn't cry there. But seeing this episode actually made me shed a few tears.

Awesome episode. Ceasar died a man's death. Probably the most emotional death in the entire franchise. Although
comes close.
 
Feb 23, 2013 4:25 AM
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Yes, this episode indeed was amazingly epic. Love it!
 
Feb 23, 2013 7:31 AM

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I expected Caesar to die after seeing the opening, but damn, this episode was really awesome.
 
Feb 23, 2013 8:18 AM

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So this is the definition of Epic?!?!
This episode was brilliant!
And u guys are saying it gets better?!?!?!?! How the hell can it get better man?! Just HOW?!?!?!

RIP CAESAR T_T The Zeppeli family will never be forgotten.
Really emotional ending with perfect BGM throughout the episode.
The fight was awesome, Caesar has grown a lot and deserves the respect Wham gave him.
 
Feb 23, 2013 8:45 AM

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definitely not dust in my eyes, they're swelling since morning 'til the time to sleep ;_;
 
Feb 23, 2013 9:12 AM

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Oh man, I don't even know where to begin with this..



Oh, and the fight was amazing as well! Easily one of the best, if not the best of the anime thus far.
in love with an apparition.
 
Feb 23, 2013 10:39 AM

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SSEEEEIIIZZZUUUUUURRREEEEEEEE.

The fight was well animated.
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Feb 23, 2013 11:04 AM

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And so it ends... the greatest, most fabulous bromance of our time ;_;
 
Feb 23, 2013 11:28 AM

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This was my favorite episode so far. The animation was much better than last week's episode and they really directed it perfectly.

Lisa Lisa and JoJo's scene after the fight was spot on. I Couldn't ask for anything more.

And there's still plenty of good stuff to come!!
 
Feb 23, 2013 12:23 PM

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So this is the definition of Epic?!?!
This episode was brilliant!
And u guys are saying it gets better?!?!?!?! How the hell can it get better man?! Just HOW?!?!?!


Dude seriously! Everything about this episode was perfect. Best fight so far imo, and the emotional level just went through the fucking roof with the bloody stream coming from under the cross, and the music just fit so perfectly.

Masterpiece episode. My favorite so far.


 
Feb 23, 2013 12:49 PM

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Caesar!!! I really enjoyed this episode and even though the bubble thing still makes me laugh I have to admit its really creative, and I loved how this fight was executed.
 
Feb 23, 2013 1:29 PM

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Really great sendoff for Ceaser, I felt all the emotions of the characters during that scene. Enjoyable fight, the bubble lens was a sight to behold.
 
Feb 23, 2013 1:45 PM

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Also, why does nobody care about Messina?
 
Feb 23, 2013 1:56 PM

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What the hell, now I can't stop the manly tears whenever I watch or listen to the opening nor can I stop these jitters of epicness.
 
Feb 23, 2013 2:48 PM

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My tears. All of my tears.
I'm still crying. I might cut myself.
No emote or word can properly convey my feelings right now.

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Feb 23, 2013 2:49 PM

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I saved this episode to watch as my 9,001st. It did not fail to live up to the honor.
 
Feb 23, 2013 3:09 PM

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this was a sad fucking episode

you'll be lucky if you don't bust out cryin'
 
Feb 23, 2013 4:10 PM

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Manly tears were shed today T_T

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
 
Feb 23, 2013 4:50 PM

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That was so sad. I'm just overwhelmed with emotion. I didn't even cry when reading this part in the manga, but the anime just did such a good job. ;___;
 
Feb 23, 2013 6:00 PM
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Brilliant episode. Looks like next week is going to be the begining of the best part of Battle Tendancy as well. I am ecstatic.
 
Feb 23, 2013 6:02 PM

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I request a moment of silence to honour the many fine talents at David Production, Araki-Sensei himself and of course the memory of Caesar Zeppelli, as this episode was nothing short of incredible. It was by far the best episode tonally to come out yet.

Can't wait for next week...
 
Feb 23, 2013 6:04 PM

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very powerful episode
 
Feb 23, 2013 7:03 PM

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I guess that the end of the Zeppeli's line in that fight against the stone masks and their maker, so who is going the save the Joestar's ass now?

Even though I knew what was going to happen I still was hoping that he would survived. I cried for Caesar more than for his grandpa.
 
Feb 23, 2013 7:22 PM

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That was amazing. Thank you, David Production, the opera was perfect for the scene. Shizaaaaa ;___;
 
Feb 23, 2013 8:16 PM

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Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
98% 5/5, a new world record
 
Feb 23, 2013 8:50 PM

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RediceRyan said:
Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
98% 5/5, a new world record


It's closer to 99%, it would've been 100% if not for that darn detractor.
 
Feb 23, 2013 9:38 PM
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Lindle said:
Also, why does nobody care about Messina?


Wasn't he still alive, and just injured?

gedata said:
RediceRyan said:
Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
98% 5/5, a new world record


It's closer to 99%, it would've been 100% if not for that darn detractor.

When I saw it last, it was 50 votes all were 5/5.
 
Feb 23, 2013 10:04 PM

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Gash_V-D_Hetchum said:
Lindle said:
Also, why does nobody care about Messina?


Wasn't he still alive, and just injured?

gedata said:
RediceRyan said:
Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
98% 5/5, a new world record


It's closer to 99%, it would've been 100% if not for that darn detractor.

When I saw it last, it was 50 votes all were 5/5.


I wouldn't call losing an arm an injury. My vote made 98.9% so close!

Also CCCCAEEEEESSSSSSAAAAAAARRRRRR!!!!!

We get to see Zeppli's father Mario. Overall 5/5. This Episode OUTDONE itself. Can't wait for Episode 21! IT GETS BETTER!

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Feb 23, 2013 10:30 PM

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omg my tears...why wont they stop flowing,...
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Feb 24, 2013 12:09 AM

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The most epic larger-than-life death scene (or should I say, episode) of a character I have ever seen for a long long time. Superb directing and seiyuu performance. The special ED is really tear-jerking. And all the symbolism like the cross-shaped debris fell onto Caesar... I really could not stop my tears from flowing down my cheeks.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
Feb 24, 2013 12:19 AM
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The use of music in the final scene was really good.

Why do all the Zeppeli's die?
;_;
 
Feb 24, 2013 1:20 AM

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Maybe i am alone but i found his death quite a waste because he actually seem to have lost when he shouldn't. His grandfather gave his life to rescue JoJo against a stronger opponent but Ceasar didn't actually saved anyone and he could beat Wham if he was careful but instead wasted his life. He basically blew it. He had the measure of Wham and he went all "i will directly kill you". Before he did it i was thinking "why risk getting close? Just throw a tone of those cutters now that he can't move" and it seems my thinking proved correct.
 
Feb 24, 2013 1:29 AM

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but Ceasar didn't actually saved anyone and he could beat Wham if he was careful but instead wasted his life. He basically blew it. He had the measure of Wham and he went all "i will directly kill you".
True, it is a waste, but he showed his desire to save at least JoJo by grabbing the pierce ring with antidote. He knew he blew it but as a last act he tried to at least save someone he befriended and bonded. In this aspect he actually saved someone and has followed the Zeppeli's spirit.

As for "why risk getting close? Just throw a tone of those cutters now that he can't move" , it is exactly as you said, it could immobilize him but could not get him killed. And he was about to sneak out of it by using the wind shield again. If we have to complain about anything that would be how Caesar should have approached Wham from another angle so that his body would not block the refracted sunlight hitting Wham, not that he should have not approached him to deliver the final blow.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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