Eureka Seven AO Episode (23 &) 24 Discussion

Stark700 said:


Damn it Bones.

TheMaverickk said:
This is discussed in the original E7 anime.

There are various instances where Eureka struggles from guilt, because of the actions she's committed in the past, and a sense of responsibility she has from those actions.

For example Ray who blamed Eureka for being barren, and was upset that her adopted children called her mother.... so basically when she's talking about people saying it was selfish of her to want children, that's what she is referring to.

Also there is another point where she talks about the guilt of being happy.... she basically self hates because she knows she's ruined and ended other peoples lives, and believes because of this for, her to enjoy being with Renton, and having that happiness with him, she in turn feels selfish cause she believes she doesn't deserve it.... the fact that she could be so happy despite having made so many others unhappy.

So it isn't directly explained in E7 Ao (which is unfortunate because for those who aren't as familiar with the series, that statement could be lost)... not even a small flash back to those characters... which owuld've been again another nice connector.

Sitis said:
Is it really over? What the hell type of ending was that? What happened to Naru? Fleur? The rest of Generation Blue?

I'd imagine there's another season coming up. Not only is the ending entirely depressing, but they haven't explained anything about any of the characters. Can't really see it closing with Truth just leaving like that, either.

There has to be another season... There just has to.

Dangerr said:

It was rushed; there's definitely a lot more that could be substantiated.

For example... the nature and origin of Secrets, never mind their function.

Sitis said:


There's definitely going to be another season. They just left everything hanging.

Dangerr said:

I highly doubt it.

If there ever is, however, I somehow doubt Ao will be making a reappearance.

SpiritxGun36 said:
Ok one thing I am still wondering was the nirvash tha was shown in the intro that looked like the one from the movie. Was it supposed to be rentons new nirvash or did they never show it? And why were renton and eureka piloting seperate nirvashes?

Maximilious said:
I just want to say that we should all complain to BONES about E7 AO so that they officially make it into a "spin off" E7 and release a proper fucking SEQUEL to E7.

If they fucking making a REAL season where the last one left off I with some time skip I am sure it would make alot of MFs happy.

RentonThurston16 said:
well wat do we do now? hope and wait another 5 or so years for an actual direct sequal?

RentonThurston16 said:
well wat do we do now? hope and wait another 5 or so years for an actual direct sequal?

WrathSC said:
the only thing i got out of this series is that renton stated that eureka is his wife. which means they got married <33333...everything else can die in the shadow realm

MoonFox said:
Wait, people think this was rushed? Lol.... that's funny..

I personally liked the ending, it would have been nice to have another episode, or an extending scene for the end. So much was left open and confusing, but it was still alright. There has definitely been worse.

Linkark07 said:
Just watched those two last episodes. What can I say? If I take this as a stand alone anime show then it is ok but as part of the Eureka Seven universe I can't accept it. Not at all.

Well, at least the creators were kind enough to tell us that nothing happened in the end. So E7 AO is just... nothing.

Characters weren't interesting, Eureka and Renton didn't get enough screen time. Setting was dull. Villain was lame. Too many episodes that were pointless. Only good points I can point out are the battles, the music and that's all.

My final score: 5/10.
Honorable mention: Biggest disappointment of the year.

As to the people who say that Eureka Seven: Psalms of the Planets should get a proper sequel, care to explain how it would work? As far as I remember Renton and Eureka managed to save the world and managed to live together happily, the same with Anemone and Dominic. Can't find how a real sequel to the original one would work.

lkx said:
This is actually a pretty open ended ending, BONES can easily follow up with another 25 episodes if they so desire. Ao did say goodbye to Truthie, and believed that someday they will meet again.

Not bad, not great like the original, but I was not disappointed either.

lkx said:
After re-watching episode 24 a few times, I find it not really that bad of ending for a series. I mean, it's obviously not a great ending, but definitely not as bad as many of you have said in this thread.

For one, many of you have said that Renton gave up Ao too easily, but I beg to differ. Remember, there was this big Nirvash vs Nirvash fight prior to Ao getting the Quartz gun and proceeds to change history. Renton fought extremely hard to keep Ao out of it, even if it means sacrificing everything that he holds dear, yes even Eureka.

As a parent myself and have gone through similar ordeal, I can completely understand the anguish and sadness that Renton and Eureka felt with Ao's older sister. It's an unimaginable pain that will forever stay with you. As a parent, you would rather die yourself than to lose your own child. The sense of hopelessness really eats away at you. But miraculously, Ao managed to convince his dad he is OK, that his dad doesn't have to keep on sacrificing for him and as his son, he would rather see his parents be happy for themselves, and for him. This realization likely came after old man Fukai told Ao about the passing of his older sister.

Remember, Ao was angry at his dad all this time for not being there for him and for Eureka. Then it hits him, everything that Eureka and Renton had done was for him, so that Ao could live, even if it means Ao being forever separated from Renton and Eureka through time, space and universes.

So back to the scene with Ao meeting with Eureka 10 year ago on the island quartz incident. Renton and Eureka reunited and accepted that Ao has made his decision to shoulder the burden of drifting through time, space and universes that was previously Eureka sacrificed to keep Ao safe. However, something was different this time around, Ao had Nirvash Neo with Truth as the archetype and the Quartz gun. Ao was able to eliminate whatever threats posed by Secrets and Scub Corals from that time in history. Ao was able to then travel to distant future, another universe where his parents are from and see for the first time the love his parents shared. That was touching, very touching.

Ao then spent (who knows however long) travelling through time and space. During that time period, he appeared before Eureka during her first accidental visit to the past and saved her. That was quite ingenious on BONES part I think, to have something like that set so early.

In the end, Ao didn't disappear, he continues to live until he finally got back to the universe where he grew up in. I would imagine Ao's final words to Fleur that was unfortunately cut off was to be "After I save my mom... I'll definitely return!"

So ya, we have an older Ao in Quartz form Nirvash Neo with Truthie as his only friend for time they were adrift (oh the irony). Pay close attention, when Ao jumped out of the Quartz form Nirvash Neo, there were trapars in the atmosphere, so Ao definitely did not fall to his death like many of you have wished.

This is actually a pretty open ended ending, BONES can easily follow up with another 25 episodes if they so desire. Ao did say goodbye to Truthie, and believed that someday they will meet again.

Not bad, not great like the original, but I was not disappointed either.

kaykenner54 said:
Why I think Eureka Seven AO sucked as a sequel:
It didn't have the same feeling E7 gave off: I don't really know how to explain this one. It's just that the atmosphere and surroundings weren't the same. As a sequel, I expected E7: AO to make me feel like I was watching E7 again. - That's because E7: AO went a more dramatic, plot driven route than E7's character driven route. There was more of an emphasis put on developing the characters and letting the plot work itself out whereas E7: AO focused more so on the plot and the characters were just there, putting little emphasis on their backgrounds or personalities.

There wasn't a variety of characters: In E7, there was a variety of characters of different ages and different personalities. There was also episodes that gave each character development. E7 AO doesn't (although it tries) - I wouldn't say that. There were a variety of characters in E7: AO but the problem was they weren't developed. There was very little relationship building between Ao and the cast of characters around him. One thing that made E7 so great was it was great seeing the character building between Renton and his Gekko State comrades. You could sense the dramatic tension between them. This? There was very little, probably the most being put between Ao and Fleur as well as a little with Elena. It wasn't nearly enough.

Same episode formula at the beginning: The first couple of episodes was fighting a secret. - Going back to your last point, I got the impression that instead of showing us character building through personal experiences, this show tried do it through camaraderie of fighting Secrets.

The Villain sucks: Truth was not that great of a villain. - That's because he isn't really the villain and therein lies the problem with this series. They tried to pull a villain card with Truth and then pulled a "but he's actually an archetype for the Nirvash", essentially making him a hero type. I thought it was a pretty lousy move.

No Real love interest: In E7 since episode 1, Renton was in love with Eureka and we as the viewers knew that they were the main couple. With Ao, he doesn't have a love interest or a girl he has a crush on. You can argue Naru, but E7 AO never spends that much time on their relationship nor do they end up together. - I actually didn't have a problem with that. This series doesn't necessarily need a "love interest". After all, Ao is only 12 years old and I can tell you from personal experience that when I was 12, I really wasn't that interested in girls yet. Keep in mind in E7, Renton was 14 and probably going through puberty, hitting that age where he'd become interested in girls. Ao hasn't quite reached that age yet so a lack of love interest actually seemed believable.

Went back in time: I'm pretty sure we all wanted/ expected everything to be years after E7, not years back. - I'd agree with you to some extent. I do think they could've pulled off a decent time travel plot...but the problem is they didn't. In an attempt to be deep with their time travel/dimensional travel plot, they just made the series confusing as all hell. Of course, it FINALLY made a lick of sense by the end, but another problem was the payoff wasn't worth the suspense.

Ao doesn't really grow up in the end: You see Renton grow over the course of E7. Ao does not. To me, he is still at the same level as episode 1. - I'll disagree with you a little bit on this one. Or maybe not really so much "grow", he (in my opinion) is already quite a bit more mature than Renton was. Of course, considering Ao's early life, it's understandable. He was put in a situation where he was going to be more mature at an earlier age.

The Orginal characters don't appear at all: Do I really need to explain this one? - That's not much of an issue if this series could create a competent cast of characters. It did not.

Renton, Eureka, and Ao don't become a family in the end: Even after the disaster called Eureka Seven AO; I still expected the three of them to be a true family at the end. - I'll agree with you here and I'll even add this. It made Renton and Eureka seem gutless. The nature of parents is to protect your children and nurture them for their future. While we saw a little bit of that with Eureka, it was moot at the end with Renton essentially sacrificing himself so he could send his parents back to their future so they could live their lives. No parent (at least not a good one) would want to leave their child behind to be sacrificed like that, and considering Renton and Eureka's personalities, they are the last ones to do something like that.

We all expected more: I'm pretty sure we all expected more out of E7 AO. The first 4 episodes were really good. The rest of the episode just did not live up to our expectations. Its really sad when everyone's favorite episodes are the ones where Eureka and Renton appear. - Sadly, they aren't even my favorite episodes considering a majority of their airtime was the last and second to last episodes and those episodes were incredibly weak to conclude this series.

Falads said:
So basically the ending was that the story aside from Ao never happened?

Great ending.

saxophone15 said:
I'm disappointed in this show...not because it was a completely horrible show (it's not really that bad when compared to other anime in general), but because if they had just changed a few things, it could have been so much better. The biggest issue for me is that there is no closure for the other characters established during the show (and not enough development for some). It's definitely no surprise that fans of the original E7 would likely be disappointed in this.

lkx said:
I totally agree that other than Ao's relationship with his parents, not much else was resolved.

Is scub coral still present in the final timeline? Judging from the trapars in the atmosphere, yes. So then what about the secrets? Have they given up destroying scub corals altogether? We don't know at all.

What about Renton and Eureka's world/universe? Are people still all dead from secrets' invasion? If that's the case, it's a pretty crappy world to return to.

Unsatisfying to say the least in other aspects of the overall plot.

coolfahad76 said:
Oh and what about Fleur? She looked so sad when he was about leave T_T poor Fleur could never get her feelings out to him!

Brigandi said:


QFT

kaykenner54 said:
Why I think Eureka Seven AO sucked as a sequel:

QuiGonJon said:

First sentence, argument invalid.
Eureka Seven AO isnt a sequel, its a side story, a spin-off, its own thing. It is not necessarily meant to be compared to Eureka Seven PoP. Judge it by its own merits, not its predecessor's.

DeathfireD said:
This show sucked from beginning to end. There simply was not enough character development nor story to this show. I understand the direction they where going but I feel if they invested more time on character development like they did in the first series, we would have felt more attachment to characters and the story.

bastek66 said:
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEESS!!!!!!!