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May 7, 2011 10:36 AM
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what i dislike about this series is how aria just randomly pushes herself into his life and suddenly a random romance forms. its totally random and unwarranted with no romantic buildup. sure there is a great setup for gun action and w/e but making some things and plot setups too simple and easy is a total letdown for me. like. for this episode, he sees her on the street. really zero reason to follow her at all. but he does anyway and then this huge sudden plot twist comes out of it. if i was writing for this show i would have atleast made the transition into this plot line more natural rather thanj ust because he decides to stalk her on the street. well. just a random rant. i would give the series as a whole so far like a 5/6 just because i feel like development of character and plot don't really have a flow and rather just HAPPEN.
May 7, 2011 10:45 AM
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chaopal said:
what i dislike about this series is how aria just randomly pushes herself into his life and suddenly a random romance forms. its totally random and unwarranted with no romantic buildup. sure there is a great setup for gun action and w/e but making some things and plot setups too simple and easy is a total letdown for me. like. for this episode, he sees her on the street. really zero reason to follow her at all. but he does anyway and then this huge sudden plot twist comes out of it. if i was writing for this show i would have atleast made the transition into this plot line more natural rather thanj ust because he decides to stalk her on the street. well. just a random rant. i would give the series as a whole so far like a 5/6 just because i feel like development of character and plot don't really have a flow and rather just HAPPEN.


If you feel that way, you should read the light novel, they have legitimate reasoning behind things like that, however with anime, they are slightly more limited.

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May 7, 2011 10:55 AM

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OK. this ep...


I have a question.
So... she's is his daughter?

May 7, 2011 11:04 AM

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Ziggycuff said:
If you feel that way, you should read the light novel, they have legitimate reasoning behind things like that, however with anime, they are slightly more limited.

I think
Yes, I agree with you.



Saygram said:
I have a question.
So... she's is his daughter?
Yes. Especially when you consider her Last Name.
May 7, 2011 12:02 PM

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That was bat-shit crazy!!! o___O
What's with all the hate on this episode? It was awesome! It's much more memorable than your mandatory "beach/hotsprings" episode or "disaster cooking" episode or any of that other filler fluff!
I still love Riko. This completely sets her apart from the other "goofy otaku" girls in anime. I love the Lupin vs. Holmes thing.

F**k the haters. This anime is great. >XP



May 7, 2011 12:09 PM

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now i understand why kinji wanted to get out brutei
and why aria wanted kinji to be her partner

holy cow what the heck was happen?
a bulletproof vest?
why aria didn't jump back at the first place?
a hair can move ?

this grew better every week
can't wait next episode
May 7, 2011 1:58 PM
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riko has killer hair
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meh. oh well, since its 12 episodes long, might as well finish it. :/
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I was wondering why episodes threads have so many pages this time but then i noticed Yumekichi11 started posting again and everything got explained.

Anyway. "I killed dozens of people because people weren't saying my cute name as much i like!!!" Oh the drama.....LOL!! Of all the stupid reasons. Seriously the show couldn't come with something better? She just needs some dick to get over it.

I somehow seem to have seen that type of gunfight before. Hmmm......
May 7, 2011 3:40 PM

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Wow, that is a final cliffhanger. I expected that about riko, but not all.
May 7, 2011 3:47 PM
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really, AJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA, what the fuck did i just saw???
oh my god, i could start saying all the lame points of this episode, but a lot of people before me already did it.
aniway i will continue watching this just "for teh lulz", because this crap is awful, (but still watcheable i guess)
May 7, 2011 7:10 PM

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Just a clarification..the manga is not the source material, and seeing as up to volume 5 is translated already on baka tsuki I don't really see one wouldn't read the books. At any rate, J.C. Staff is doing a pretty good job with this show keeping it faithful to the light novels; I just hope they don't try to cram a lot into this season.

May 7, 2011 8:33 PM
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Also, I just noticed something in the opening... I dont know if it has any relevance but...

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May 7, 2011 8:57 PM

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Ha, nice catch. XD
Ziggycuff said:
Also, I just noticed something in the opening... I dont know if it has any relevance but...



aniway i will continue watching this just "for teh lulz", because this crap is awful, (but still watcheable i guess)

MOAR hatred? D:<
What's so "awful" about it?



May 7, 2011 9:11 PM

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EDIT: i don't read the light novels / manga, but some people here complain about the studio not giving justice to the source material... oh well, i'm not shocked... it's JC Staff, what would you expect? *facepalm*

After Index 2, not surprised at all, just disappointed to learn of it. Already I had bad vibes about that with MOE overload. That kills Aria's bad ass attitude and renders it almost nil in non called situations..
Idiocy at it's finest. I have said this before but this looks to be following the novel to a T. The ones complaining likely have only read the manga and not the novels. In actual fact the manga is the one not being faithful to the original material.
Really it follows the novel? Is there that much MOE in it, I don't think so nor was the manga too hardcore on it. I made GIFs go figure on how much of it there is. There are only from episode 1 and 2 but still it never stopped in episode 3 nor in this one with the whole MOE of Aria's shyness. I can understand this is to show a side of her being a little girl brat but tone it down please a little. I do admit of my naive belief that the manga was being faithfull to the LN but guess I got completely shot about it. I would never think the manga would not follow the materiel does it do at least at 75% efficiency?
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And what's this about J.C.staff not giving the source material justice? You can't be talking about Index 2. Guess what? That followed the novels exactly as they were written as well. So far in my experience I have only spotted one time when J.C.Staff being unfaithful to an adaptation. That was Zero no Tsukaima.(Familiar of zero) They may have done it with Shana as well.

It may have followed them but the ecchi seemed to be more explicit and I am one of those that says anime series ok for ecchi and anime series ecchi not needed such as Hanasaku Iroha so I do think it may follow the materiel but at a 90% value with a 10% being annoying changed like some Touma speeches. Anyways continue on my profile about this since it deviates from the topic here.
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In recent years though they seem to stick pretty close. I just wanted to clear that up.
Well thank you for clear up of manga not following faithfully the LN but can other people back up your claim? I would feel more convinced, just saying.
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Anyway I can't say I was surprised by Rikos deception. I had feeling about it. I was even suspicious of the flight attendant.
I assume you saw it the moment she changed facial expressions like I did?
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But that Lupin and Homes stuff just made me cringe. That just came out of nowhere.
Was not like anyways in the LN or the presentation was sucky to you the way it was shown?
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I was wondering why episodes threads have so many pages this time but then i noticed Yumekichi11 started posting again and everything got explained.
I will take that as a compliment to drag on discussions more but really I have toned on my replies, wall of texts may contain much of 100% of my thoughts but alas my job excuse is a valid one.
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Also, I just noticed something in the opening... I dont know if it has any relevance but...
I knew that already from the first time the OP showed but I give you credit for the catch. Problem was with it is that it would spoil big time what happened in this episode so I restrained myself on that and Riko.
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May 7, 2011 9:36 PM

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LOLWUT?
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Gogetters said:
LOLWUT?
You tell me what else she got accused of? I highly suspect EU accused her of other things for sure. This is going to be ugly fight to release Aria's mom. I can see this series being like Marmalade Boy was, which is around 78 episodes. Yes?

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May 7, 2011 10:25 PM

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Yumekichi11 said:
Gogetters said:
LOLWUT?
You tell me what else she got accused of? I highly suspect EU accused her of other things for sure. This is going to be ugly fight to release Aria's mom. I can see this series being like Marmalade Boy was, which is around 78 episodes. Yes?
I would actually like it to have 78 episodes. Moar Aria!
May 7, 2011 11:25 PM

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cr4sian_phil said:
shit just got real


YOU AIN'T NEVER LIED.

That dummy Kinji. He had all the time in the world to shoot that heifer or slit her throat. I don't expect anime to be realistic but sometimes the illogical ways of doing things kills me. I mean Riko is RIGHT THERE! SHOOT HER! PULL THAT TRIGGER!

RAWWWRRR! The only consolation is that it's way too early 4 Aria to be out of the game and Riko has to go down b4 it's all over.
May 7, 2011 11:32 PM

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I don't mean to be overly Captain Obvious here, but if vests are the problem, why not go with head-shots? I mean, they seem like good enough shooters to begin with... >.<
But hey, the action is still alright, so meh.
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kelken said:
cr4sian_phil said:
shit just got real


YOU AIN'T NEVER LIED.

That dummy Kinji. He had all the time in the world to shoot that heifer or slit her throat. I don't expect anime to be realistic but sometimes the illogical ways of doing things kills me. I mean Riko is RIGHT THERE! SHOOT HER! PULL THAT TRIGGER!

RAWWWRRR! The only consolation is that it's way too early 4 Aria to be out of the game and Riko has to go down b4 it's all over.

the fact you can predict this is sad (for the anime)

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I don't mean to be overly Captain Obvious here, but if vests are the problem, why not go with head-shots? I mean, they seem like good enough shooters to begin with... >.<

dont be ridiculous... that would make too much sense
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Yumekichi11 said:
Really it follows the novel? Is there that much MOE in it, I don't think so nor was the manga too hardcore on it. I made GIFs go figure on how much of it there is. There are only from episode 1 and 2 but still it never stopped in episode 3 nor in this one with the whole MOE of Aria's shyness. I can understand this is to show a side of her being a little girl brat but tone it down please a little. I do admit of my naive belief that the manga was being faithfull to the LN but guess I got completely shot about it. I would never think the manga would not follow the materiel does it do at least at 75% efficiency?
About MOE, YES, even without motion in the LN, it's still filled with moe.

About faithfulness to the material, I'd say the Anime is acceptable. They didn't really screw up so far. They just skipped lots of things that I also consider unnecessary. Well, we can't expect them to cram everything in this 12 episodes.

But IMO, I think the manga version follow the material better than Anime.



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You tell me what else she got accused of? I highly suspect EU accused her of other things for sure. This is going to be ugly fight to release Aria's mom. I can see this series being like Marmalade Boy was, which is around 78 episodes. Yes?
Butei Killer case can reduce her sentence to 742 years.
The next case can reduce it to 635 years.
Once they demolish this EU, she will most likely be all cleared up.
May 8, 2011 5:53 AM

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LOL a cliffhanger. I wasn't surprised with that LOL
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Really, I got kind of angry because of Riko's sudden super power. But thanks OP, as you explained it you helped me get a better view on it.
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About faithfulness to the material, I'd say the Anime is acceptable. They didn't really screw up so far. They just skipped lots of things that I also consider unnecessary. Well, we can't expect them to cram everything in this 12 episodes.

But IMO, I think the manga version follow the material better than Anime.

To be honest, I skimmed the manga. I spotted a few things I didn't remember reading about so I assumed it was being less loyal. But I double checked and you are right. My bad.

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Too bad, I liked Riko... okay, I still like her. I don't know how they'll patch up Aria though, it looked like a completely fatal shot. Will be hard to believe it was just a "flesh wound". Also, the whole Lupin/Holmes thing was really wtf. I enjoy the show, but I guess I'll keep my brain in standby mode for the rest of the show. 4/5.
May 8, 2011 3:32 PM
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Why was I not surprised there would be something not quite natural but I didn't expect it to be magic hair.

My only question is how the hell did Riko get there first and have enough time to put on a disguise.
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kelken said:
That dummy Kinji. He had all the time in the world to shoot that heifer or slit her throat. I don't expect anime to be realistic but sometimes the illogical ways of doing things kills me. I mean Riko is RIGHT THERE! SHOOT HER! PULL THAT TRIGGER
Indeed :/
May 8, 2011 6:13 PM
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I hope this anime continues
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kelken said:
cr4sian_phil said:
shit just got real


YOU AIN'T NEVER LIED.

That dummy Kinji. He had all the time in the world to shoot that heifer or slit her throat. I don't expect anime to be realistic but sometimes the illogical ways of doing things kills me. I mean Riko is RIGHT THERE! SHOOT HER! PULL THAT TRIGGER!


HE CAN'T!!
Butei are not allowed to kill. D: Even in self-defense.



May 8, 2011 6:28 PM
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I hope this anime continues too.
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...First a ship, then a bus now a plane...so much for hijacking anything important. Really looks like its going to be a death match.
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Sort of suspected something was out of place, and it turns into a plane jacking...
Hopefully the battle ends soon.
May 9, 2011 2:45 AM

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Starting to feel to generic. In it for the animation and Taiga nostalgia.
May 9, 2011 3:37 AM

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What's with the moving hair?
That's so not like the earlier episodes.
May 9, 2011 8:21 AM

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Hi, I'm not get something...

Riko she's evil or WHAT??

And it was great episode... 4!!!!!
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What a twist, this was really unexpected for me, especially since I didn't read the manga at all. Riko turns out to be the Butei Killer and she's also responsible for Kinji's brother's death.

The whole episode was intense and kept me on the edge of my seat all the time, especially during the Aria VS Riko fight, which was great and in the end our heroine gets shot. A nice cliffhanger follows.

Too bad some stupid elements are included too, like the magical hair. That was unnecessary. Also, what the heck is that with the whole Sherlock/Lupin thing?

A solid episode though.

8/10
May 9, 2011 3:54 PM

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tl note: keikaku means "plan"
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mystik said:
if only Aria died here. stupid rie loli's.

RIKO > loli!

yep yep yep yep yep
BIG TIME YEP
anyways putting my Aria Hatred aside,

if Aria were to die, then wouldn't it be a great twist then again, noticing how Aia has fans (...no comment) its better if Aria didn't die
just saying.
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GREAT EPISODE~! I knew this would pick up and get good. The whole decedent of Lupin and Holmes was pretty cool. Can't wait for next episode. XD
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What the hell was that? Way too rushed, I feel like they tried to cram at least a few episodes of material into one episode. They better do some better explaining in the next few episodes.

I enjoyed the first three episodes (nothing special but enjoyable), but this episode was just too much of a jumble.
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riko's motive's are way to lame tbh.
to 'test your skill', never seen that before.
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Now i like Riko :3
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Wow Riko... first that part in the room, and then on the plane she is the killer...
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I thought that I was going to drop this series.....
I also soooo knew Riko was no good.
But glad I stuck to this series so far.
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This is a really good episode and the series has a lot of potential
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I would have to say I am in the same though of emotions more or less in characters as you mention with Riko but it remains to be seen how much it will move to change my opinion of whether I would like her or not. So far giving a scar to a person does makes me detest her. So far in Aria's case, her desperate sadness over her mother is a factor to make me like her more as it was expressed less so in the manga. Visuals are amazing after all.

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Drago643 said:
I mostly agree with you. That'd be because we are fellow LN readers. Hatred against Riko lessened each volume I read. And, yes. As I said in the previous comments, this is Supernatural, so Riko's hair is nothing.



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I would have to say I am in the same though of emotions more or less in characters as you mention with Riko but it remains to be seen how much it will move to change my opinion of whether I would like her or not. So far giving a scar to a person does makes me detest her. So far in Aria's case, her desperate sadness over her mother is a factor to make me like her more as it was expressed less so in the manga. Visuals are amazing after all.
Reading the LN, I care less and less about scars. Aria had scars on her other places too. I think no Butei bears no scars.
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riko is more of a bitch then aria.
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