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| I thought the ending was great. I cried when Oji and Lyuze died. Now Casshern is all alone. But, I'm glad that he got to experience happiness. Seeing Casshern's smile is like heaven! |
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| I wasn't happy with the end. I think Episode 23 should have been the last episode, because even though it leaves more questions unanswered, it was more human, if that makes any sense. I basically mean that the whole "become a god of death" thing is too over-the-top for me. It goes from a personal and intimate feeling to a superhero ending that feels a bit contrived. Still though, I really liked this series a ton! |
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| What a great series, I'm truly glad that I discovered this gem. This anime doesn't only shine in the art department but also story- and characterwise. It definitely left a huge impression on me. |
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| I absolutely loved the art and soundtrack in this anime, both were amazing and the fight scene were epic. The story was also great, although it felt to me that some of it could have been executed and explained (more back story etc.) a bit better I guess. The ending kind of left me a little unsatisfied but only a little. But overall a great series, and a great feel to it. |
Johnface11Jan 18, 2012 9:39 PM
| Personally I think this episode is great and I gave the show an overall 10/10. |
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sudosamurai said: On the Luna note: This is pretty much how I interpreted it. I also think, without the threat of death, Casshern could never fully understand the fear and emotions of the robots who actually faced death. I don't think it was until the very end, the last moments he was able to spend with Lyuze and the rest of his adopted "family," so to speak, that he was able to make that full connection. He also felt the true pain of losing life to the ruin because it was someone he cared so deeply for who had died. By essentially becoming the Grim Reaper he could ensure that no one would forget that death always looms around the corner. He's kind of like a boogie man now, ensuring kids behave themselves, or in this case, ensuring life is never taken for granted. The one thing that really bugged me was the lack of info on the stone Ringo received. Is that what completed her so that she could live out life like a human? I took the old rusted headband as a symbol of her breaking away from the ruin, but how? Did it have to do with her outlook on life and become a psychological thing? That would explain how others like her would come, although it contradicts the full lives lived by robots who did die from the ruin. Or was it the stone? Or maybe it's because she was a second generation robot like other people have mentioned that she survived the ruin? All in all, the anime itself was beautiful, though I felt the series became less clear as it progressed. It certainly gets you thinking, though. 7/10 |
NikokoNov 4, 2012 6:13 PM
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| Yeah I'm all for artsy styles, but I feel like this story was going in one direction, then changed their minds more than midway through and ended with a convoluted mess with its fair share of plot holes (rainbow stone?). Casshern and Lyuze I thought were very well fleshed out characters as was Ohji, but I thought the villains needed more like Dio Luna and Braiking Boss. I thought they came across as either shallow or confusing motivations. Again maybe its just me. Final score 5/10. This had so much potential, but I thought it was just executed terribly. |
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| This serie was well I don't really know It was deep black interesting but....weird. A very good lesson on life, death, immortality, shortness of life and carpe diem. I enjoyed it, though there is lots of questions unanswered at the end. It's definitely not for everyone but still good. 7/10 |
| The show was meant to leave you with questions. It's kind of interesting, the dynamic between Luna and Casshern is sort of like a God and a Grim Reaper. Casshern will return to kill Luna if they forget the people who died before them. I still think the ending was underwhelming, the show was good but definitely not perfect. 8/10. |
| Good show, too bad it is underrated |
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| First half was following a pattern that delivered pretty much the same message over and over. Casshern finds a girl, helps her, fights some robots, girls falls in love with him (or drops hints of that), they part. Second half was better but it felt as if it expected us to have prior knowledge of several events what looks like plot holes since it was never explained. But I still really liked the fact that Casshern found Dio one of those who lived to fullest and I also liked that they realised that death is natural and should happen. I also liked that they didn't pretend life doesn't suck but they emphasised that every one should find something that will make it worth living. Still, several loose ends left hanging and a messy ending "moral". So, the whole 24 episodes we are taught that death is normal and that people should live their life to the fullest not trying to be immortal yet at the very end Casshern goes like: "Sure, just make everyone immortal if they like, whatever." after killing tens of robots for no apparent reason (since he just wanted to chat with Luna). For a guy that hates fighting and killing that feels... weird. The rainbow-y stone had no meaning considering what a big deal it was, it was never really explained how there will be "born" robots, considering that the only 3 robots that could have children were out of the picture, the whole thing didn't really get a conclusion, Luna's behaviour was left just like that, Casshern acted as if he learnt nothing during the whole thing and we have no idea what happened to him, where he went or what he did (considering that we were following him and his point of view for 24 episodes it's just... uhh...). All in all weak ending for a slightly over average anime. 7/10 |
SuiNoByakkoFeb 22, 2013 5:00 AM
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| From what I can recall of the ending, Luna is meant to elongate the lives of robots affected by the Ruin for a while, not give them eternal life per se. Casshern on the other hand, is meant to be a martyr for teaching robot's how to value their own lives by acting as the god of death to help them acknowledge that they should live their lives with purpose for it will eventually expire. Both of their existences serve to better the ephemeral lives of robots by perpetuating their deity-like existences and purposes. If Luna were to die, all robots would lose hope and resort to wanting to eat Casshern in lieu of the series' 1st episode. The presence of Luna is meant to serve as a symbol of hope while Casshern is meant to intimidate so that the robots don't misinterpret Luna's patronage and over-indulge and perhaps cause anarchy thus grounding their views and ensuring longer (but not endless) lives with more happiness and purpose. Given that Luna is blessed with the power of healing whereas Casshern is not, the latter takes it upon himself to be death while telling Luna to fulfill her duties of giving a gleam of hope. So if Casshern died in some way, people would be abusing Luna's power and if Luna died, the world would attempt to eat a god and subsequently cause a chain of robots seeking absolution with them all vying for eternal life. Sure it's selfish that Casshern chooses to continue living, but he does so at the cost of being the center of hatred and fear, only to help people live more meaningful lives. Think about it; if some people lived for eternity they would either bide time and use minimal effort on everything, abuse their power and/or get fed up with everything, but with death looming over, we try to make the most of what little time we are given. |
| Another disappointment for me, as the first part was brilliant and the second part felt like a wasted potential. It all went downhill when the show abandoned its episodic structure in favor of some unneeded characters' development... And in the end all this buildup led nowhere. Man, this show is like DRRR... Too bad all the characters from the first part were never shown again. I wanted to see Sophita so much... And poor guy Friender, he remained useless till the end without any development. |
| So well that was the end, I wasn't expecting too much from this anime but it was somewhat decent I guess. The overall anime was okay, the pacing was horrible and some episodes were just pure boring but then others had great story or character development that with the unique art style and story line does gave us a pretty decent anime! All by all I was not a huge fan but I can't deny that this is a pretty decent anime! Let's see what the alternative settings have to offer us! |
RafaelDeJonghFeb 21, 2014 7:30 PM
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| I'm a bit dissapointed to be honest. The art was beautiful, characters stylish, the soundtrack is good and they did a great job of creating a believable setting, with the all pervasive feeling of ruin surrounding the characters. And the story drew me in for the most part of the series, but then it all came undone. Characters contradicted themselves or lost their meaning completely, questions were made and never answered and sometimes some latter episodes felt as repetition of things that had come before. A triumph of style over substance for me. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| You know, it's bad to say "plot hole" all the time, everywhere, just because you didn't understand, because that's basically what CASSHERN Sins was: hard to understand. Confusing. Either because the messages they wished to convey were almost always implied, or because people use the wrong logic in approaching the events at face value. My balls just busted when I watched the ED for the last time, because I realised something in the lyrics. I'm sure that this was planned, otherwise they wouldn't just have a random song with such lyrics as the ED. The guy sings about wanting to change, and staying the way he is; wanting to be happy, and wanting to be unhappy; not wanting to be alone, and wanting to be alone. "For the living contradiction that I am, please forgive me." Casshern says he will never kill again, and eventually kills all those robots when they went for him in the next ep (this ep). And although this is absolutely unrelated as I am just stringing up some things from other references: there are certain lyrics in the OP of Kuuchuu Buranko that go like "aimai wa tsumi ni naru" or translated, "ambiguity is a sin." Yes it's random, but I was just thinking that maybe there's a whole culture that we aren't aware of that really doesn't receive being ambiguous too well. The lyrics of CASSHERN Sins' ED perfectly describe this anime's conclusion. And because of that realisation, I've decided that CASSHERN Sins may actually be MUCH, in fact, infinitely deeper than we all may have thought. I am not content because the series has been rather confusing and I may be missing a lot of points, such points like: "Was Ringo a human all this time? Or was she of the likes of Casshern? She said at the end that she's probably the 'first to gain a life that will someday end in death' or in other words, the first robot to die naturally. But I recall in an earlier episode, when she and Ouji were atop a giant rock with a bed flowers, she had to wear a helmet which I believe aided in her breathing. Why would a robot need a breathing aid?" "Is she Leda's daughter? If she is, was Ringo born human? Or was she born a robot like Leda, a robot who can breed? I don't really think she IS Leda's daughter. The only 3 robots who are capable of reproduction are apparently Casshern, Dio, and Leda, and taking into account how Leda said she wanted to have a child with Dio, it seems unlikely that she'd choose those words if she already had a previous child. Casshern was a killing machine, so he couldn't possibly have been the father either." "What exactly was Luna's role? Is she another robot like Casshern who was created in lab (which explains the crystallised cells, which also explains why she "came back to life (regenerated like Casshern)")? What exactly does she think she has been doing all this time? What's this thing that was mentioned about the blood of life and death mixing? Is THAT what caused all shit to fuck up? Just because their blood happened to have made contact with each other? Is there some sort of mystical force in the universe that decided Luna is God who grants life, and Casshern is Satan who grants death? Why was Luna choosy with whom to give healing to? What does her blood do, exactly?" Shaiza, man........ Though I really liked Jarmel's post as it seemed to have connect things sensibly (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=73434&show=60#msg2990763), I still want to know the specific details about the things I questioned. |
zetsu_shorenSep 25, 2014 7:01 AM
| just finished watching Casshern Sins (they should've titled it Casshern Feels... those feels :'| ) , i liked the show, but i have some unanswered questions, too many ideas in this forum post. it would take time to read all of them, so is there anyone kind enough to answer these questions in a single comment?(english is not my native language so please bear with it) 1. who is ringo? is she a robot or a human? robots can neither grow, nor have blood, but she does. again in an episode (maybe 17/18) she had been seen wearing a breathing mask. a robot doesnt have to wear masks. but at the 1st episode she says ouji repaired her from her rust... and at the end of the series they show her rusted headband. so what is she actually? 2. i think ringo had some sort of connections with Leda(maybe her child?) Leda forgot about that for some kind of unknown reasons just like casshern did. 3. in episode 17 they find a crystal. i thought it would play a vital role in the main story, which it doesnt. so what is it actually? 4. why did casshern kick braiking boss's ass, while he boasted in the previous episode that he wont ever take anyone's life? ~thanks in advance :) |
Arashi_kunOct 6, 2014 9:10 AM
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| Lot of questions and open-minded answers. Very mysterious and unique show.. really sad and depressing. But damn this was an hidden gem i managed to miss somehow. 10/10 really enjoyed this mood and theme of this anime.. love this type of anime (ex: serial experiments lain , mushishi, haibane renmei etc..) Not sure about re-watch value. This type of darker, deep etc.. anime I tend to avoid re-watching. |
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Roychop said: I don't agree at all with the notion of eternal life being wrong though. Why? It's impossible to appreciate something when you have an abundance of it. |
| Thoroughly enjoyed this. Nice visuals, great soundtrack, and a cast that feels fitting. There's a lot of interesting ideas that are brought into the show that added to the development of the cast and the world. The argument the ending made was to live with a meaning not just for the sake of staying alive. Casshern even says to Luna 'this place is full of life, but no one is living it.' Lyuze's feelings for Casshern are probably motivated by her acceptance of Ruin and knowing that her time is limited. If she was given eternal life, what purpose would staying close to Casshern have? She initially stayed around because he protected her. The show let the viewers see what people in the world were doing to spend their lives like Janice the singer, Niko the flower girl, etc. |
devinderJul 3, 2015 1:45 PM
| This show is the definition of boredom and unnecessary philosophical bullshit. |
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| Seriously enjoyed this series. I can see why many may find it uninteresting with the plot but the emotions and characters did it for me. Damn I knew their deaths were coming but still wasn't ready, Lyuze ;_; And now Casshern is alone as Ringo grows up, I wonder if they ever see each-other again? I'd like to see that but I guess I never will... This may have left me feeling sad but it still left me feeling which to me makes it a good anime ^_^ |
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| 9/10 Quite a few flaws, but I still loved it. |
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| I find myself interested that so much people hated the overall message and "style over substance". It has one plot hole about the stone, but having everything answered with indubitableness is not always a good way to convey feeling towards the audience. It was quite a beautiful metaphor about the meaning of death, for without it life bears no structure, becoming amorphous at best. |
AnimeAndy said: It never fully explained what the Ruin was but implied that Luna's first death caused it. Initially she was granting human lifespans to robots, allowing them to die. And when Casshern killed her the first time, this was spread throughout the world (somehow). So the Ruin is just robots dying of natural causes. Not natural. Too much of anything is abnormal. What Luna was doing at first was somewhat balanced - bringing the mortality to those who want it. However the world became obsessed with her, worshiping her as an absolute savior which led to Casshern killing her, which in turn spread that power of death to absolutely everything in the world. Suddenly, instead of death happening to those it was meant for, it was happening everywehre - and just like with eternal life, that ended up twisting its original meaning. That's what Ruin is. Finality that lost any sort of meaning. The new Luna, after having experienced death and now fearing it, no longer wishes to grant death but give eternal life to those that seek it. Of course, there's a level of unnaturalism to having eternal life and as that town full of loopy robots displayed. Correct. Luna changes her position after experiencing what she did.It does not mean that granting death was wrong,but it means that now fromher perception it was wrong. She was a being granting mortality in an eternal world. She is now a being granting eternal life to the dying world. That's what Sun Named Moon Means - contradiction between Day and Night, Sun and Moon,Life and death - the roles Luna switches between. Killing her is not an answer as it would start the cycle all over again - the world would overflow with eternal life till "Luna" eventually would appear, disgusted with concept of eternal life and start bringing death. So to compensate for that and to balance it out, Casshern has to become the opposite - in order to keep balance between concepts and to prevent history from repeating. Casshern fulfills the same role he did through the show, the same thing he was good at -bringing death to where he goes. So even the world saved from over-abundant and twisted abnormal death retains the fear of the concept, placing eternity of life and finality of death intoa sort of balance. The Old World fell due to immortal being's obsession with death bringing ruin to their civilization in form of overwhelming death. The Ruined World fell due to the despair such situation created and the obsession with life that the situation presented. In the epilogue of Balanced World, now people can't be obsessed with immortality(obsessing over Luna, who represents life now) or stop fearing death(like it happened in the old world), because there's a religious figure, a mythological being of faith, that represents their finality. At the same time they can't be obsessed or driven insane by concept of death, because in shadow of Casshern's looming presence, Luna exists as symbol of hope to counter it. Thus neither Casshern nor Luna can go out of control and neither finality of death nor eternity of life overtakes each other. People live when they live and people die when they die. The final message is that there's no meaning of life and meaning of death,without them being intertwined. What happens in life makes death meaningful., What death ends makes what happened in life so precious. |
AhenshihaelMar 24, 2016 3:50 AM
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 And there goes a year and a half worth of stalling. All in all, I can't say everything worked out. I still have concerns over how blatant some of the imagery was, the manner which plot points and character goals strung along, and whether the darkening of the series was truly necessary. That being said, I liked everything else. Back when I started Casshern Sins, I used the phrase "the beautiful void" to describe the series, and I think it still holds true. The series truly is full of atmosphere - an oppressive one which looms over your head like a dark cloud. Of course, the series does get full of itself at times, where it reveled in its aesthetics and prose until it became uncomfortably self-serving. But, for when the series hit its high marks, I was truly impressed. |
| Watched all 24 episodes, and still anime made ZERO sense to me :( If the idea of the anime was that the eternal life is pointless, then it was executed very badly, because the only feeling that I got from this anime is that Ruin is sad and needs to end. |
| welp a bad ending to an equally bad show.. So Casshern breaks his word to never fight again, and goes on a killing spree for no reason... I guess his reason for killing The Boss guy was to clean up loose ends? Any other reason? I guess the fact that a few of the main characters died in this episode is reason enough to consider it a happy ending by Cassherns own standards... Sorry I just really didn't like this show! xD |
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| Reminded me a lot of The Big O. I loved all of it. It's always hard when characters you've come to like get killed off, but that's the story. Without potential to lose, is it really all that valuable? Beauty is temporary, and that's why it's beautiful. |
| There is a deepness in the sky. So high, so low, so many things to know. |
| When you watch a philosophical series filled with symbolism and whatnot, people tend to get poetic with their comments.. Maybe I just don't get it, but like most people here, I prefer the first half over the second half. The theme was presented with a clear intention, and it is easily understandable, allowing you to focus more on the emotional aspect, rather than the logical side. The series started off really slow, and picked up around episode 8, and it was an emotional ride until midway of the series, where the plot kicked in. Not too fond of Lyuze's story, nor Luna's characterization, nor Dio's motivation (his resolution was great though), nor Leda's goal, everything in the second half of the series was generally meh for me. The ending is fine/complete, but I would love to see more. I've really enjoyed the relationship between Friender, Casshern, and Ringo.A sequel would be great, would love to see that kind of fate would befall a ruined world. |
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Roychop said: It was a great series for me. I don't agree at all with the notion of eternal life being wrong though. exactly my thoughts |
| Wow a very good show. . . Love its dark tone, unique art style, soundtrack, theme and characters monologue and self-introspection. . . This show reminded me a lot of Ergo Proxy, but this show has more emotional and touching moments which make it better than Ergo (for me). . . But there are some flaws in the story and the secondhalf of serie kinda rushed Overall : 8/10 |
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