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Akane's friend's name is Yuki. Yuki means snow. Snow fell as this episode ended. She was pure, yet the Sibyl System didn't protect her and viewed her murder as something justified.
Yup. That was the whole point Makishima was trying to demonstrate to Akane.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
Vanisher said: But the 0 crime coefficient was really exaggerated -.-
haha seriously that was ridiculous. All-around awesome episode though. Dat Makishima, such an intriguing character.
Also gotta say, I really love how they make slight changes with the ending depending on how the episode ends, it always flows so well. The lovely songs helps too of course <3
Amazing. The best episode I have seen of anything in quite some time. Yuki's death was just simply fantastic. I was thinking either he wouldn't actually kill her or somebody saves her at the last second.
I feel so exhilarated from all of that despair. Oh man this is great.
You stupid bitch holy shit. She literally just stood there and did nothing while her friend died. That was brutal.
I was really starting to like Yuki adn then boom.
Damn it.
Kogami was pretty cool at least.
Fuck they really made Makishima a character you badly want to see die.
Dominator was freaking useless if he's got an exploit. That's why they should have traditional weapons too, but she wouldn't use it. Even if it messed up her coefficient to use it. How could she just watch her friend die. I mean wow.
5/5 that was great. What a troll, about to kill someone and his psycho pass is at 10. I was thinking that that'd probable also be the case if they tried to measure Johan's pp.
I was at the edge of my seat.
Poor Akane, will she end up in the dark side?
The best episode so far. I could really feel the characters' emotions. Makishima was kinda cool (not sure why I like sadist characters) and I really felt bad for Yuki, poor girl, it was clear she would die the second she appeared in these 2 episodes. I'm really curious about Makishima's "ability". Maybe it has no importance, but I felt like his crime coefficient got lower the closer he was to killing Yuki, I wonder if it means something. After all, I doubt they would just throw 0 crime coefficient like that in this episode without a meaning. Anyway, this episode made me raise my rating, I wonder how it will change until the end. Either way, this show is on the best way to my favourites list if it keeps this up. But I'll leave thinking about what to kick for the last 2 episodes. XD
HikaruIzumi said: The best episode so far. I could really feel the characters' emotions. Makishima was kinda cool (not sure why I like sadist characters) and I really felt bad for Yuki, poor girl, it was clear she would die the second she appeared in these 2 episodes. I'm really curious about Makishima's "ability". Maybe it has no importance, but I felt like his crime coefficient got lower the closer he was to killing Yuki, I wonder if it means something. After all, I doubt they would just throw 0 crime coefficient like that in this episode without a meaning. Anyway, this episode made me raise my rating, I wonder how it will change until the end. Either way, this show is on the best way to my favourites list if it keeps this up. But I'll leave thinking about what to kick for the last 2 episodes. XD
Maybe if he doesnt kill his psycho pass goes up? or the longer he goes without killing/manipulating someone to kill someone the higher his CC will rise?
Just guesses, i hope they really go into detail with it
Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead?
As a person who values friendship more than anything this episode really infuriated me beyond belief. I was going to go to sleep after finishing the episode but now I'm so filled with rage I don't even feel tired anymore.
I always had the underlying thought that Yuki would die, but towards the end there I actually thought she'd make it until Makishima took her...I knew she was doomed when that happened. What pissed me off wasn't that she died...it was that Akane just stood there like a moron and LET her die. I mean seriously, what in the actual fuck? I thought Akane was alright up until now but now? No. Just no. Excuse my language but I just can't even BEGIN to comprehend why you would just stand there and let your friend get killed. And her pathetic attempt at firing the shotgun didn't make things any better.
If it were me I'd have taken a firm grip of that shotgun and shot him. I'd rather become a latent criminal and have my friend still be alive than do what Akane did. Akane disgusts me now.
But despite saying all that I can't imagine how Akane felt in that situation, the Sibyl System that she had so much faith in didn't even budge to this guy...heck, it even went down to 0. But her friend's life should have been more important to her.
Overall it was a good episode and very dramatic. Only downside to it being Akane.
is it safe to assume this episode took place in what it's suposed to be Makishima's or Senguji's house above the execution ground??
feretto said: Really nice music choice during the duel. Especially in the end, when the cyborg approached the barrels to look behind them the lyrics "Alle Menschen müssen sterben" was sung, which would translate to "All humans have to die". I really thought of this as a foreshadowing of him getting killed even though he had those immortality fantasies.
Dang o.O... Reading this forum is good.
DarkKiss said:
Actually the lyrics are : "Alle Menschen werden Brüder", which means "All humans become brothers".
And yes, great episode. Right now I hate Makishima even more. I wonder what will happen to Akane, what will be her other friend's reaction when she learns what exactly happened. I can't wait for the next episode.
I love shows like these. It was brutal to see Yuki die like that, but it was even more brutal watching Akane be useless in front of Makishima, but regardless it's a damn interesting show :D.
More episodes nao please!
Akane.... I actually was thinknig her friend deserves to die due to how weak Akane is.
Brilliant plot development, a bad guy who cant be judged by the law.
I'm REALLY glad Akane's not my friend! Gawd, she's f**king useless! She watched that lunatic kill her friend and did nothing but blindly shoot the rifle.
I can't wait to see the fallout that comes after the Public Safety Bureau learns that their precious Dominator can't judge Makishima and is therefore full of s**t! Looks like right now would be a good time to start doubting the wisdom of the all seeing and all knowing Sibyl System.
Villetta_Nu said: I'm REALLY glad Akane's not my friend! Gawd, she's f**king useless! She watched that lunatic kill her friend and did nothing but blindly shoot the rifle.
I can't wait to see the fallout that comes after the Public Safety Bureau learns that their precious Dominator can't judge Makishima and is therefore full of s**t! Looks like right now would be a good time to start doubting the wisdom of the all seeing and all knowing Sibyl System.
Well damn im sure if you were in a situation like that you would go right ahead and kill makishima.
Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead?
This really hits the pits cause Shougo does not register at all with the system. If anything he is DNA/Brain altered. This is impossible that the system does not react to him. At worst he has Admin privileges of the Sybil system and where he may be registered as part of the creating team. There he can as easily as Kayaba did in SAO before dying in implementing something to make the system not recognize him or his crime coefficient. It’s either that mind alterations as to never raise his Crime Coefficient.
Not necessarily true. I don't think he some sort of Admin privileges, matter of fact, he said so in his dialogue w/ Akane, He stated he was always like this since he was young, it's something that was basically biological within that made him naturally immune to being judged by the System.
I think that Akane might have the same ability as Makishima of always having a low crime coefficient. Although she is not totally twisted like Makishima.
Also I love shows that have suspenseful situations that seem like there is no way out of them... and then they don't get out of them.
I share those sentiments. Getting out of impossible situations is just so cliche now. So when something magically or completely random doesn't happen, it's nice and refreshing (realistic too). But yeah, this episode really bothered me because while I did sympathize with her, I really wanted her to do SOMETHING. Not just well, stand there.
Honestly I used to like Akane, she was honest and cute and I identified myself with her insecurities but after this episode I dislike her so, so much. Surely she lacks experience but FOR GOD´s SAKE, no matter what, any person in her position would have dropped the sybil gun and shoot the criminal with the other gun. Leaving her best friend to die like that is humiliating, she deserves all the suffering and grieve because she did nothing. Lacking as a professional is acceptable due to her lack of experience, but not trying your everything to save your best friend is just unacceptable.
Still, I have great hopes for Akane now. I hope she becomes stronger and never NEVER lets a friend of her to die again because of her hesitation and fear.
and honestly Im I the only one who feels more "chemistry" between Akane and the old guy than Akane and Shinya? LOOOL. Because Masaoka is always protecting her LOOOOL.
Also, I hate the criminal but he has a point: Sybil system sucks and does not consider human individuality. It is stupid to have a system like that that does not count your own will despite what traits you have.
Omg Ko got hurt but thankfully he's all right :).
I REALLY DIDN'T WANT AKANE'S FRIEND TO DIE... I literally shouted "No!" when she got sliced. And I really react to anime in such a way :( Why didn't Akane just shoot him... then again the show wouldn't continue if the antag. died just like that xD. I really want to see the next episode.
Well finally! I'm actually starting to enjoy this show now. The beginning was a long ten episode introduction but it was fine. Now this plot...this plot is good. I like the hints the show is telling us about Shogo and Akane.
Akane so moe! She'll be okay. Hopefully.
The Dominator seems to judge the mind on categories like noticeable aggression(parts of the brain will emotionally light up like on brain scans), insanity, mental instability, etc but like the baddie says the Dominator cannot judge a person's will. I like where this is going.
I wonder what Akane's crime coefficient is right now. She may turn into a enforcer if she doesn't have enough luck. I think Makishima thinks differently and there for doesn't emit the whatever that the Sybil System uses.
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D; Yuki ...
I had a feeling Akane wouldn't be able to use the gun, but I was hoping so much that something miraculously stopped Makishima from killing Yuki.
I kinda thought the Sybil system was flawed but never wanted it proven in such a manner... though I think Akane will only get stronger ... eventually.
Akane does not have experience with this type of guns. As other people have said, Masaoka said he had not seen such a gun in a long time. Now, even if she took the shot gun (or whatever it is called, i'm not familiar with guns), she could have killed her friend instead of Makishima. An unexperienced person firing this type of gun? No way in hell, who knows what might have happend. Add to this the fact that she was feeling betrayed/confused (by the Sybil system) and that her friend's life was at stake. I'm pretty sure all of you would play it hero/heroine if you were in this kind of situation >.>
I would not risk shooting with a type of gun i'm holding for the first time.
And she could have been in a lot of trouble if she killed an "innocent" man like Makishima, according to the system.
This really hits the pits cause Shougo does not register at all with the system. If anything he is DNA/Brain altered. This is impossible that the system does not react to him. At worst he has Admin privileges of the Sybil system and where he may be registered as part of the creating team.
It'd be better if there's a problem with the system itself. Take enforcers, they cannot be called bloodthirsty criminals. I think the story will develop that way. and the moral lesson of the cartoon will be that machines cannot rule human soul or something similar.
I agree of your morale but yeah both are possible. A problem with the system or a self biological/DNA exceptional structure.
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Ah the poor kind hearted inspector Akane... MY ASS!
She is the worst main heroine I ever saw! It's her own fault that Yuki died, she could save her, insted she was shaking and whining like a little puppy.
Shougo could do us a favor and kill her too, the story would so much enjoyable without her!
CocoNoelle said: Ah the poor kind hearted inspector Akane... MY ASS!
She is the worst main heroine I ever saw! It's her own fault that Yuki died, she could save her, insted she was shaking and whining like a little puppy.
Shougo could do us a favor and kill her too, the story would so much enjoyable without her!
I wouldn't go that far, but that whole scene made me really angry. Just fucking drop that Dominator already, grab the shotgun with both hands and tear his shoulder apart. She wasn't far from him and she recieved basic shooting training so it wouldn't have been impossible. Yeah it would've probably dislocated her shoulder, but she (I assume) did that just fine while firing onehanded. Instead she locks down and lets her friend die.
Edit: On the plus side I think Akane will become a total badass like Kougami because of what happened. And it was great for the show, just made my liking for Akane completely null.
Akane . why would u shoot a shotgun with one hand. and goooooodnessssssss =_=
" your friend or your crime coefficient" le sigh.
But i realized if this doesn't happen to her. She wouldn't be put on the same situation as Kogami so.. ehh the story has to progress somewhat.
Pretty goooood episode. but hate the fact that the next episode isn't going to air for another 2 weeks.. IM GUNNA DIE!
you keep whining why she couldnt kill makishima and dont try to think
- she's a girl , AN INNOCENT NORMAL GIRL wtf do you guys think she is ? beyonetta ? ofc she couldnt kill off a low psycho lv person just like that
- she had no firearm experience how could she hit him with 90% accuracy like kira yamato or amuro ray ?
- you guys dont even know HOW SHOTGUN WORKS , even if she aim well and fired the thing that would ended up injury both makishima and her friend
- and who said that wasnt a shotgun ? makishima took the gun from the old man , how was it NOT A SHOTGUN ?
and , CocoNoelle , you do not understand the personality of akane , there is no way in hell she could kill makishima at that moment , both mentally or physically
bachou said: you keep whining why she couldnt kill makishima and dont try to think
- she's a girl , AN INNOCENT NORMAL GIRL wtf do you guys think she is ? beyonetta ? ofc she couldnt kill off a low psycho lv person just like that
- she had no firearm experience how could she hit him with 90% accuracy like kira yamato or amuro ray ?
- you guys dont even know HOW SHOTGUN WORKS , even if she aim well and fired the thing that would ended up injury both makishima and her friend
- and who said that wasnt a shotgun ? makishima took the gun from the old man , how was it NOT A SHOTGUN ?
and , CocoNoelle , you do not understand the personality of akane , there is no way in hell she could kill makishima at that moment , both mentally or physically
lol. i am glad.
It seems that any form of realistic characters in anime is disliked these days xD but i am happy this went the way it did, sad for yuki though. i dont like last minute hero saves, like if she were to just grab the shotgun and shoot makishima (probably hit yuki as well to) and it wouldnt have made sense for her to do that.
Put anyone in her shoes and they would be shaking like a little bitch, yet they all act like the situation was perfectly easy and manageable by akane alone. "oh just take the shotgun and shoot him dammit" even though she has no firearm training and is under immense pressure because one of her best friends has a knife at her throat and is also absolutely shitting her pants because makishima's crime coefficient is normal then goes to 0 as he kills. the system she believed has just been fucked over right in front of her face.
Shooting the shotgun with 1 hand:
1. she didn't know it was a shotgun, she does't know real guns
2. she wanted to hold the dominator to see if his crime coefficient would rise as he gets lose to killing, that is how the system is supposed to work and the entire world has been using it so why wouldn't she place her trust in the system?
LunaDec 30, 2012 9:00 AM
Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead?
what it confused me the most is how Makishma has that confidence to give the shotgun to Akane ... he is not afraid to be killed !? ... He said it's a test .. I really think that this man is crazy or something .
bachou said: you keep whining why she couldnt kill makishima and dont try to think
- she's a girl , AN INNOCENT NORMAL GIRL wtf do you guys think she is ? beyonetta ? ofc she couldnt kill off a low psycho lv person just like that
- she had no firearm experience how could she hit him with 90% accuracy like kira yamato or amuro ray ?
- you guys dont even know HOW SHOTGUN WORKS , even if she aim well and fired the thing that would ended up injury both makishima and her friend
- and who said that wasnt a shotgun ? makishima took the gun from the old man , how was it NOT A SHOTGUN ?
and , CocoNoelle , you do not understand the personality of akane , there is no way in hell she could kill makishima at that moment , both mentally or physically
I really do understand your point of view but offending other users to defend Akane is not the correct way to act. You are being rude and despite what you think you´re not defending Akane at all. Saying she is "a normal girl" doesnt help, because despite being a normal girl there are a lot of "normal girls" here too and that wouldnt act like her. Akane is Akane and no one else, that´s it, she reacted to a severe situation in her own way and that´s it, now, it doesnt mean she was right or wrong but surely, many people, Like myself, didnt like the way she acted. Still, I hope she becomes stronger from now on and can learn with her mistakes.
Of course no one here should be offending Akane, but if there is people offending her, their offenses are regarding the character not directed at her fans. It hurts, but it doesnt give you the right to call them offensive names.
Even though I feel like this is not directed at me, I feel like I need to reply.
First of all, we all know she is a normal girl and that´s why many of us are willing to forgive her weakness, but as a girl myself I dont think being a "normal girl" can excuse being weak willed. Women do not possess much physical strength but it does not mean they have to be weak willed. Kogami even if he was a newbie,Im sure he would drop the dominator and try to shoot the guy.
If I was in Akane´s situation I would be in panic, probably wouldnt even move and would be shaking non stop for a long time until I start to react. Being a heroine? No one can do that unless it is a person with years of experience and has a strong psychological endurance....and luck on their side.
But, this was a life-death situation and God, I would definitely drop the dominator and grab the other gun even without experience, even without never having shoot someone, and for that I would not even need to be a cop like Akane is, because no matter what you say, even if she is a girl she is still a COP. Police has training. Physical training, shooting training, psychological testing, and even training in induced stress situations. Surely the psychological "cool and calm" is null when its your best friend at stake. If it was other person probably Akane would be nervous but would probably not panic like she did. The thing is she is an investigator and even if we want to be oblivious of that, okay, then, main reason why she had to try to give her best to shoot him with precision (aka DROP THE DOMINATOR KAY):
- Because it was her best friend there. period.
- Because he waited and gave her an opening for her to try, gave her time AND We all know in these situations, not trying everything you got can be fatal.
IMO, I would still shoot him, I would aim for his legs...Not saying I wouldnt fail, but I would definitely aim at him with precision, even if my hands were trembling, I would try my best to aim at him even if I wasn't a cop, now Akane had training, it would be easier for her to shoot better than a normal civilian (even if she only used dominators, it doesnt change the fact that its still a gun and you still have to practice your aim).
I understand Akane´s personality quite well and I identify myself with her a bit sometimes, but it is you who didnt put yourself in her best friend´s situation: if I put myself in Yuki´s situation, I would rather see my best friend trying to shoot him (even if I got hurt) than watching my best friend crying and wasting precious bullets while a cold blade sliced my throat. But that´s me, so Im not judging anyone here with different opinions. Everyone has the right to say their opinions and all of us are different and have our own ways to deal with things.
But you know what? What pisses me off the most here is the trust that Akane put on the dominator. Since the very beginning I hate the sybil system and it pisses me off to see that an intelligent girl like Akane does not question it and fully relies on that crap. She lost precious time with it, and for that, her friend died meaninglessly.
No one is asking for her to be calm and cool and badass. Trying to shoot a murder when a life is being threatened is not unrealistic. It wouldn't make Akane less "realistic", it would simply make her a human striving to save someone she loves...last time I checked that was still part of reality. At least of my reality.
Dysoth said: I loved how Masaoka didn't arrive in time, because normally he WOULD, somehow managing to save yuki.
Loved to see akane despair, seeing her little world in which justice always wins crumble.
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All I came to say. Agree with bachou on pretty much all of the points, though you could say it a bit more respectfully. But Akane's still dumb as all fuck to hold that shotgun in one hand. Not to mention her left hand.
bachou said: you keep whining why she couldnt kill makishima and dont try to think
- she's a girl , AN INNOCENT NORMAL GIRL wtf do you guys think she is ? beyonetta ? ofc she couldnt kill off a low psycho lv person just like that
- she had no firearm experience how could she hit him with 90% accuracy like kira yamato or amuro ray ?
- you guys dont even know HOW SHOTGUN WORKS , even if she aim well and fired the thing that would ended up injury both makishima and her friend
- and who said that wasnt a shotgun ? makishima took the gun from the old man , how was it NOT A SHOTGUN ?
and , CocoNoelle , you do not understand the personality of akane , there is no way in hell she could kill makishima at that moment , both mentally or physically
She had firearm experience. What do you think Dominators are, popguns? You have to aim them and they have a big kick. Like every gun that isn't designed with built in recoil supression like bullpups. Yeah it would've been hard but the logical thing to do in that situation would have been to drop the dominator. That was the one annoying thing there. If you are going to shoot anyway shoot with two hands. Of course you will miss if you fire a hunting rifle one handed. Closing her eyes I can forgive, bc she probably wasn't prerpared for the muzzle flash and bang of a traditional gunpowder weapon.
Yes Akane acted in character. When that scene started you already knew that Yuki was dead. That's fine from a story standpoint. It still makes you like Akane less, because she didn't do everything in her power to try and save her friend.
You can argue that she didn't wínt to kill Makishima and that's why she didn't even try to shoot properly, but in these kind of situations the defensive instinct towards loved ones usually wins. Or she broke down so hard due to the pressure that she just blocked down, which, again, would be in character but makes her weak and less likeable (to me).
So this chick is willing to kill him with a super gun but wont use a rifle and shoot him? Da Fuk? She just let her friend get her throat slit. She needs to step that detective game up and realize that she's gonna be more f'd up over seeing that then she would have from just shooting the guy. I mean c'mon her partner seems pretty on the ball and he just blew a guy and his dog to pieces. SMFH I honestly hope she just turns into some souless enforcer because of this that'd be entertaining to see.
WorldInverse said: sigh... whoever said "she should've dropped that dominator" just doesn't understand things at all -_-"
I agreed with banchou minus the rude words tho, especially about how shotgun works.
well at least she's better than Shu to me.
It was a hunting shotgun and he was standig easily within effective range without any kind of cover (if you watched the bullet/pellet impacts when Senguuji was firing on Kougami they looked more like slug rounds then normal rounds, but they were probably normal rounds judging by Kougami's injury). He was also standing next to the girl and not behind her. If Akane was scared of hitting her friend (which clearly wasn't the case cause she fire onehanded while flinching back), she could've just aimed at his right side and you have zero problems. She just blocked down, simple as that. She had the resolve, she just acted stupidly.
Damn what a great episode this is!
That bastard killed her. Akiane should of use the shotgun property and not miss the enemy.
Like that headshot by Kogami.
Great show! Wish they realease a new episode already.
5/5