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Aug 17, 2012 6:12 PM
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If you ask me, this anime lately is MIND-FUCKING! I was wishing that AO would eventually go forward in time to after the events of Eureka Seven, because thats what they stated, remember Gekko-go is from the FUTURE. Ao may have done something, he should never have done, he is a kid who has parents from the future, so he could be causing a shift in time, thus generating this event was the universe, or god you could say, couldn't allow that to happen, so erasing Team Goldilocks fixes it somehow, is my theory, dissipate what Ao did, it went against what was supposed to happen, so the world fixed it to make the future, less different? My theory about the quartz, is that its really just like the mind of the scub coral, before the scub coral gained a central mind, they were coming over to the past, so quartz was an evolution process which allowed scub coral to have what you would call a miniature version of a central mind, like getting a brain for each of them, the "brains" however are able to live outside of it, the "brains" knowing Ao was part scub & was trying to protect them, made that weapon, but Ao's time misplacement made the world have to fix it so the future wasn't EXTREMELY AFFECTED! My guess, & I repeated the same theory a lot.
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BRSxIgnition said:
Anyone notice how the Nirvash MK2 never did the quartz pickup on its own? It was always Alleluia and Kyrie that did the pickup. Activating via the Nirvash, and AO's emotions at the time, it must have reacted to that combo of variables; much like other things have reacted to Eureka and Renton in the past of the series.

Unsure what the effect was, but it was most likely a dimensional skip, not to Eureka's "world line" but rather a minor change to a "world line" where Team Goldilocks was never formed.

They still have the weapon, so we can be sure that Ao will end up using it again, and probably will end up in Eureka's "world line" sooner or later.

PS: Naru's allegiance can be broken down this way. Naru wants to fight the Secrets, and protect the Scub Coral. Eureka, presses the fact that the Secrets are not enemies, and makes 'use' of the scub coral. We don't know which is "right" at the moment, but it makes for an interesting dynamic, considering both Naru and Eureka are assumed to be Coralians.


Yeah, the super mega Badass Repair tool Scub Cannon really love messing up with Law and Physics

If this Scub Cannon which caused all this even, i hope Both original MC come to their son and explain everything

I'm still had an illfeel with Naru, i hope AO can slap or punch her in the face. I don't care which sides she is on.

And for the opening again....why i get the feeling that Nirvash spec 5-like in the opening are AO's Nirvash, not Renton's Nirvash

Maybe Nirvash MK II
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The cannon was BADASS! At first, I thought it would be a giant Trapar Board for travel or something, but this cannon worked out nicely.

The biggest event that gave me the chills is always when the Main Character would be turned against everyone when dealing psychologically. Team Goldilocks ceasing to exist? WHHHHHYYYYY!

And last thing, the gap skips in this ep was kinda a turnoff. They forwarded time a lot and gave me the concern as to whether Ao just first went into battle and immediately crashed. :|
Aug 17, 2012 11:34 PM

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GigaSPX said:
The cannon was BADASS! At first, I thought it would be a giant Trapar Board for travel or something, but this cannon worked out nicely.

The biggest event that gave me the chills is always when the Main Character would be turned against everyone when dealing psychologically. Team Goldilocks ceasing to exist? WHHHHHYYYYY!

And last thing, the gap skips in this ep was kinda a turnoff. They forwarded time a lot and gave me the concern as to whether Ao just first went into battle and immediately crashed. :|

Agreed; my biggest complaint was jarring scene transitions. Otherwise, pretty good ep.
Aug 18, 2012 2:42 AM

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Overall a good episode, some action and great twist to the series. Cant wait for the next episode, just glade we dont have to wait two weeks this time :)

Theory:
I believed the "New Weapon" AO got in this episode (picture below) is not just a weapon but some sort of little ship too because in the preview the "weapon" seems to fly by itself.

"To Win a War, You Must Lose a War First"
Aug 18, 2012 5:54 AM

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This two week break didn't help I so confused now about what's going on.
Aug 18, 2012 7:17 AM

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This was a decent episode. Some exciting moments here and there.

Did that cannon produce a seven swell? (well its obvious it rewrote time by erasing team Goldilocks from existence.)

Truth was sneaky this episode, but we still don't know what his motives are.

5/5

Hope we can get some more progress next episode.
Aug 18, 2012 10:07 AM

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I know this might not be of any incredible relevant importance, but...
WHERE'S THE SLOTH?
Aug 18, 2012 10:27 AM

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Supergrunt8 said:

Did that cannon produce a seven swell?

It certainly looked like it visually, but there's a notable amount of differences between the phenomenons.
Aug 18, 2012 12:19 PM

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I guess we'll have to watch it 2-3 times again when its over to figure it out...
Aug 18, 2012 3:21 PM

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Dunno what you think guys but that weapon, altho not the same, gave me a serious "Eureka and Renton's board" vibe... ( well it's originaly Holland's if I remember right. )
Aug 18, 2012 5:33 PM

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Dunno what you think guys but that weapon, altho not the same, gave me a serious "Eureka and Renton's board" vibe... ( well it's originaly Holland's if I remember right. )


Go check out the Secret that appeared in Ep 3.
Aug 18, 2012 5:36 PM
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Paul said:
triforcebih said:
Dunno what you think guys but that weapon, altho not the same, gave me a serious "Eureka and Renton's board" vibe... ( well it's originaly Holland's if I remember right. )


Go check out the Secret that appeared in Ep 3.


Don't have the EP on PC anymore but I suppose it is the board like secret ? Well that obviously is a copy of the board . But yeah the weapon prolly got no relevance to it.

edit: just watched the whole EP subbed... Dafuq BONES. Well the ED makes more sense now tho.
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Anyone else notice a little Fluer x Ao in this episode >_<
Aug 19, 2012 4:15 AM

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Finally we get to see this after a 2 week hiatus.

Damn, what's up with everyone forgetting about Team Goldilocks? Now i need the next episode asap...

Also, still rooting for Ao X Fleur =D
Aug 19, 2012 8:15 AM

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Loved that moment when that canon forms out of the quartz.
Aug 19, 2012 8:56 AM

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Neither we all forgot, Don't care, or not important. But i don't see any comments talking about the president Ripping on starbucks xD
Aug 19, 2012 12:03 PM

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Neither we all forgot, Don't care, or not important. But i don't see any comments talking about the president Ripping on starbucks xD


Because he didn't. GG did that on purpose.
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AnimaRO64 said:
Neither we all forgot, Don't care, or not important. But i don't see any comments talking about the president Ripping on starbucks xD


Because he didn't. GG did that on purpose.

Yeah, that was one of their attempts at localization. It doesn't really break the immersion for me like it does others, but I certainly noticed it. Guess it's what we have to put up with, regarding the fastest subs.
Aug 19, 2012 2:33 PM

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The fight was cool but what happened in the ending? Ao has changed the reality?
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aiNkyy said:
The fight was cool but what happened in the ending? Ao has changed the reality?


I'm assuming Ao got sucked up into that huge light which, I'm guessing again, sent him into another time. And thus, Eureka;Seven.
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Paul said:
aiNkyy said:
The fight was cool but what happened in the ending? Ao has changed the reality?


I'm assuming Ao got sucked up into that huge light which, I'm guessing again, sent him into another time. And thus, Eureka;Seven.

It's been said several times here, but what more likely happened:

*Shoots cannon; It's above the Vester plant.
*Vester coral gets obliterated from all timelines (likely a unique ability of the cannon).
*Consequently, Chloe and Maeve never move to the Vester plant with their parents, and never develop trapar-mutated brains, thus, never joining Gen Bleu. Only Ao remembers the now-lost timeline.
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Dangerr said:
Paul said:
aiNkyy said:
The fight was cool but what happened in the ending? Ao has changed the reality?


I'm assuming Ao got sucked up into that huge light which, I'm guessing again, sent him into another time. And thus, Eureka;Seven.

It's been said several times here, but what more likely happened:

*Shoots cannon; It's above the Vester plant.
*Vester coral gets obliterated from all timelines (likely a unique ability of the cannon).
*Consequently, Chloe and Maeve never move to the Vester plant with their parents, and never develop trapar-mutated brains, thus, never joining Gen Bleu. Only Ao remembers the now-lost timeline.


That's most likely what happened actually, nice summary.

I like how this will finally merge the two series together.
"Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own."
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Aug 20, 2012 10:59 AM
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BRSxIgnition said:

That's most likely what happened actually, nice summary.

I like how this will finally merge the two series together.


How o,O ?

ps:I've been brain dead for a few days now.
Aug 20, 2012 12:37 PM

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What a very colorful and fancy beam weapon (uhmm Wave Motion Gun LOL), at least it got all of them Secrets, eh? >_<

Either he unknowingly jumped in a parallel world or another timeline that's why they don't know Team Goldilocks or as some had pointed out here, their timeline got erased. Oh wait... following the Eureka Seven tradition involving extraterrestrials (here they're extra-dimensional!), anything's possible. XP
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Aug 20, 2012 4:58 PM

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So if they eradicate a scub coral from all timelines then would that severley change the future where Eureka and Renton are?
Aug 21, 2012 5:50 PM
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So, why all secrets flocked around the bait, if they are intelligent? Just one wouldn't already generate a fusion explosion destroying everything?

I also don't understand why they are treating it like it was the final battle against the secrets... I see no reason to believe that...

And what about this "course change". That thing is flying through the atmosphere, so it must be in a powered flight, and able to correct the course by itself!
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So, why all secrets flocked around the bait, if they are intelligent? Just one wouldn't already generate a fusion explosion destroying everything?

I also don't understand why they are treating it like it was the final battle against the secrets... I see no reason to believe that...

And what about this "course change". That thing is flying through the atmosphere, so it must be in a powered flight, and able to correct the course by itself!


They sense the world around them differently; It's clear that they doubt humanity has the capability of stopping them, so they're only concerned insofar about keeping track of the quartz. It's also likely that they've never had to rely on strategy, seeing as their overwhelming power is more akin to a force of nature, rather than something that's evolved battle tactics or facets of communication as we know them. As for the secret they've been communicating with, since it's now integrated with humanity's digital network (to an extent we've yet to see), it's likely learning and exhibiting concepts that's alien to its own kind.

But yes, I agree, it's hard to see why they see this battle as some sort of conclusion against the secrets. Now, I'd understand why so against the immediate threat - only one secret seems to appear per activation or arrival of a Scub Coral, and those all got destroyed.

I agree, but considering how massive it is, any course-adjustment would either take too long, or would be impossible; by the time the shockwave hit, its orbital decay and ETA was already way too short. Either way, I don't really consider it to be important; there's more major elements I have to suspend my belief over before this one.
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So if they eradicate a scub coral from all timelines then would that severley change the future where Eureka and Renton are?


I believe that eradicating the scab coral is the key to préserve the futur since that in original Eureka seven history:

- the scab coral arrived on the earth as particuls and developed in the sea to then absorb everything on earth forcing the humans to flew the planet. So the sudden spawn of the scab coral in multple areas on the planet means that the temporal timeline of renton and eureka is in danger.

So it s more than plausible that the secrets have been send to the earth in the past by the humans (renton??) to preserve the timeline they are living on.
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Vuyo said:
So if they eradicate a scub coral from all timelines then would that severley change the future where Eureka and Renton are?


I believe that eradicating the scab coral is the key to préserve the futur since that in original Eureka seven history:

- the scab coral arrived on the earth as particuls and developed in the sea to then absorb everything on earth forcing the humans to flew the planet. So the sudden spawn of the scab coral in multple areas on the planet means that the temporal timeline of renton and eureka is in danger.

So it s more than plausible that the secrets have been send to the earth in the past by the humans (renton??) to preserve the timeline they are living on.
Thats's one of the best predictions i've heard
Aug 22, 2012 10:21 PM

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DivisionG said:
This series has been confusing since episode 14... Ahhh i don't get it anymore!!
eureka seven> Ao
Aug 23, 2012 2:34 AM

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The production quality continues to be high(er), sadly the story and character does the opposite.
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The production quality continues to be high(er), sadly the story and character does the opposite.


Quite. When I found out this takes place in the past, I was heavily disappointed actually. Truth doesn't give off the vibe of a.. Correct antagonist. He just feels out of plae to me; and do does the time travelling. EL PSY CONGROO anyone?
Aug 23, 2012 8:08 AM
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We already have all that haruhi wanted: aliens (eureka, scub coral), espers (Truth), time travelers (eureka, maybe scub coral and G-monsters too), sliders (ao, maybe the "time travelers" too, because their past is different from this series)
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Dangerr said:
But yes, I agree, it's hard to see why they see this battle as some sort of conclusion against the secrets. Now, I'd understand why so against the immediate threat - only one secret seems to appear per activation or arrival of a Scub Coral, and those all got destroyed.

But in the first episodes we learned that as long as the quartz remain active, more secrets will appear from the same Scub Coral. And even after that, they can't be sure anymore that all the deactivate Scub Corals will not reactivate again!

Dangerr said:
I agree, but considering how massive it is, any course-adjustment would either take too long, or would be impossible; by the time the shockwave hit, its orbital decay and ETA was already way too short. Either way, I don't really consider it to be important; there's more major elements I have to suspend my belief over before this one.

This isn't a orbit decay, it is a re-entry and/or powered flight... but yeah... they fly like they are in the atmosphere when they are in orbit, and like they are in orbit when they are in the atmosphere.... physics have never been a strong point in Eureka 7... but I think it is worse now... they should hire a consultant on those matters, so that I don't kill as many cat girls...
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Uhmmm... that's all I can say. Waiting for next episode.
Aug 24, 2012 3:25 PM
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The original was definitely superior. Didn't have any of the out-of-place nationalism or timeline wonkiness going on.


What out-of-place nationalism?

The only character who seems at all nationalist is Nakamura, but if that seems out of place, you probably missed the point of his character: In this timeline, Tokyo has been wiped out in a Scub Burst sometime in the middle of last century, and Japan never managed to entirely rebuild or recover after this. Their economic growth was clearly stunted, and they never turned into the world power they are in reality.

Most of the Japanese characters in the series are depicted as having resigned themselves to this fate. Nakamura is the one who still dreams of bigger things for Japan, which is what drives his at times harebrained ambitions.

None of this setting is explained directly, you have to pick it up from small hints: The opening scene set on the ruins of Tokyo, and things like the Shinkansen ad poster, showing an ancient Shinkansen model rather than the modern trains of today, to say nothing of what it might look like in 2025. There are probably others I forgot or missed, too.
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DOES ANYONE UNDERSTANDS A SHIT OF WHAT'S GOING ON?, 'cause I sure don't :P
Aug 27, 2012 10:27 AM
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None of this setting is explained directly, you have to pick it up from small hints:


Oh, episode 17 actually does mention this directly. Funny that.
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NORWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D <3
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Sep 9, 2012 2:45 AM

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Okay awesome weapon formed from the quartz but WTF just happened? Did Ao get transported to an alternate dimension? So we got that on top of time travel?
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This is confusing. Naru helping out was unexpected. And their reaction the moment Ao mentions Goldilocks to them means this is getting more confusing for me.
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Oh snap did he just shift into a parallel universe or something? What's going on with that end? This sure is interesting development but quite sad goldilocks isn't there anymore, they didn't appear much but they did add an overall sweet touch to the group. That said I do wonder what really happened so let's see what's next!
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Even more confusing now, so many mysteries.
Quarks suddenly materialized into some weapon, & Ao shot some time warp gun & somehow removed secrets & Goldilock's homeland. Maybe it shot into the past & destroyed that region?
And so many random cuts to Ao in dream state. Is he really just asleep or in an alternate world?
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Christophe Blanc has been planning this for quite a while from the looks of.

Naru wants to play heroine in the stolen Nirvash.

The Secrets leaking through to Georg's speech lol

Generation Bleu's operation progresses and that ruins Truth's plans...to destroy the secrets himself?

Elena People's "It's got the same vibe as a second-to-last episode" comment when the Allied Forces are teaming up with Generation Bleu lmao

Secret-Georg just goes a long with it because that is what the Secrets are meant to do.

Oh yeah, the Soviet Union still exist in this universe, interesting alternate history developments.

The third engine fails to activate forcing a change of plans; the fusion blast has to be activated earlier (closer to civilian areas). Ao and the Nirvash is their last hope and carries the container instead.

Taking the quartz higher so he can dump it as ordered, the quartz mysteriously transforms into a gun for the Nirvash. On a spur of the moment decision, he aims the guns at the secrets and fires.

It successfully removes the secrets from the area but the means by which it did it appears to be through erasing the scub coral that attracted the secrets from the timeline, as if they never existed. In its place, the North Pole light, which Ao has never seen before, appears permanently in the sky where Ao thought he fired the plant. Ao has no idea what's going on; they think he is crazy. No coral in norway, no coral plant, Chloe and Maeve's parents working at the plant, thus no Godilocks... there's a chance they still exist but they just never joined Generation Bleu as being near a coral plant was what started their path.
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And now parallel worlds exist, well they always do in this story, but AO will always be an idiot for not realising it... lmao it's already the 2nd half but there's still no growth in our MC... this is exhausting...
It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines
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is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service.
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