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Kleftomatic said: Haha, well for the most part I was just trying to strike up a conversation, just kind of a joke there people. Notice Renton's lack of a double-chin? I noticed that there was some similarity though, but obviously hardly enough to make him Renton. Ya if Renton were there he'd be trying his damnest to find Ao I'm sure. People, I am dissapoint; the moon graffiti was OBVIOUSLY an inside joke for Eureka&Renton's love. I HIGHLY doubt it was really CARVED into the side of the bloody moon!! ***@Dangerr**** Some of the technology we've seen in the original series might yet appear in AO, just wait ;P - homing lasers: first or second episode the girl locks onto a few hundred enemies and goes A-WOL, I would say that qualifies as a homing something.. - REFFING: as stated previously in ep#(dang I forgot) it was BANNED, it isn't inexistent. Notice the rally with the Gekko State logo was promoting the liberation of Trapar Waves so that they could reff. - Very cool remark on the tower. I hadn't noticed. However, Ao lives on a small secluded island, it is improbable he's ever seen one before... - Bio LFO's WHAT: the Nirvash is there!!! At least IT should be fleshy... shouldn't it? As to the cultural differences: most of humanity has PERISHED! Aha, yes, in the end of E7 many are taken away by the Coralians into neverness and in fact we don't know what the people know or don't know. Actually, generally speaking, the people in E7 didn't know much about the scub coral either. But we shall see! Same goes for why Renton and Eureka aren't better known. They were actually a military secret so... even the Gekko-Go (I just remembered the name) was a secret military project. ***EDIT: So I've revisited the ending of E7 and yes in fact, there is only one 'earth' we have ever know. It still boggles my mind as to why there was to trapar below the scub layer but w/e. Also I FOUND A clue! They mention that Dewey's kids (~14 yrs old) are remnants of a Warsaw Refugee camp i.e. the story ends in the ~1960/70's according to that. SOMEBODY said that Renton might be in the Coral thought center thinggy (where his mother&father are), I agree. Where else could he possibly go? to Hades? *I don't know if you're joking or not, but Axel and the kids in the final episode, in the last scene, go out and look at the full moon, which has the entire carving right there; it most certainly happened. *The difference between homing missles compared to homing lasers (which I don't even know if that's possible), technologically, seem to be as different as night and day -- homing lasers conceptually are vastly more advanced. *Lifting, of course, is possible as long as there's trapar; the sport of lifting hasn't been mentioned thus far, however. The rally had to do with ridding the ally forces and regaining the trapar mines, but never says anything about lifting. FPs, which the guy mentions Okinawa having the highest citizen ownership in the world, seem to be the only civilian application seen thus far. *LFOs from the first series bled copious amounts when losing limbs (as at least the arms were always shown to be biological); the Nirvash losing its arm in episode two had no such indications. Also, seen in next episode's preview, one of the girls of Goldie Locks' team has their IFO torn to pieces, and only mechanical parts can be seen from what's destroyed. *I'm pretty sure the Warsaw mentioned in the first series has nothing to do with Warsaw, Poland; it is ten-thousand years in the future, after all, with no remnants of Earth's geopolitical boundaries -- only the Federation. |
Darkdrone said: -The fan service of these girls who are between 11-14 is getting disturbing and would wish it would stop -Fleur ruined the episode for me with her "Why are you hear" bullshit. Random and doesn't make any sense to ask that when Ao asked her what is going on. -This is a problem with a majority of mecha anime, but I find it funny how young these pilots are. Here you got engineers and scientists who are much older then they are and they are catering to their needs. The fact that an 11 or 14 year old can pilot such an advanced machine is ridiculous. Its part of the anime culture to market to younger audiences but I find it funny. 7/10 I don't get why so many people can't understand Fleur's reactions; she's obviously a good person, and is as tolerable a young teenage girl as I've ever seen in an anime -- she's not being malicious or mean-spirited to Ao, but trying to get him to think about the decision he's made, as it seemed very impulsive; I'm sure all of the pilots in Generation Bleu have thought long and hard, to some degree, about the decisions they've made; Ao is a complete anomaly. As for child pilots, I agree, it's a tired trope, but I'm sure it will be explained in a way that isn't a cop-out, as for what the show has explained has done a good job. |
DangerrMay 13, 2012 2:23 AM
Darkdrone said: -This is a problem with a majority of mecha anime, but I find it funny how young these pilots are. Here you got engineers and scientists who are much older then they are and they are catering to their needs. The fact that an 11 or 14 year old can pilot such an advanced machine is ridiculous. Its part of the anime culture to market to younger audiences but I find it funny. Putting the fact aside, it's the justification for it that matters the most. If they give you a good reason why it's done that way, then it's okay. It's only when the explanation is cheap that it becomes annoying. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| The Eva quotes/references so far in this series are welcome, but they should be careful not to cross the line separating homage and ripoff... Why did you come here, Ao? Why do you pilot the Nirvash? You mustn't run away! |
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Ahri said: Kefkiroth said: Looks like Ao is having trouble fitting in Generation Bleu a bit, kind of like Renton when he first joined Gekkostate. This episode was kind of a slow but still relaxing, wonder if there will be any plot twists anytime soon (looks like Goldilocks is getting killed off in the preview). I think Eureka Seven was a lot more entertaining with its first episodes, but we'll see. Other than Holland though, no one was being a straight-up douchebag. Although the rest of the crew loved to tease Renton. |
| Overall I liked this episode except for a few things: - Gazelle and co. were accepted almost too easily - The crew of Goldilocks overlloked the coincedence of a typhoon and a lack of G-Monsters - The blatant rejection of Ao by everyone an Gen Bleu - Ao's costume. Good points: - There is foreshadowing for a darker next episode - Noah the sloth - The music and art. Also people are always complaining that Renton was a complete wimp but really you just come with evidence to support your opinion. Here's mine: - Ao barely stands up to anyone, he's awkward and not really a "badass" except for the few times in the Nirvash. - Renton was emotional, but at least he made his own decisions. |
| To be honest I'm not liking this show as much as I thought I would. I guess my expectations were too high. Something I noticed from this episode is that... no one/IFO reffs.. One of the things I really liked from the prequel was reffing, and how it was unique, cool to watch and lots of characters loved doing it. Even the LFO's in the prequel were on giant refboards, but in this season like every IFO (might have gotten LFO/IFO mixed up) so far has been flying without one :( . I mean it was cool just seeing anyone reffing. Then seeing a giant robot reff and have epic fights at the same time was just awesome! The series thus far is pretty disappointing for me. I'm also not really liking the Generation Bleu / Pied Piper group compared to the Gekkostate. I know it's too early to judge but the Gekkostate members had such interesting personalities, even if most of them liked teasing Renton at first. Compared to a lot of other shows this season it really isn't drawing me in at all. It does have it's good moments but .. meh, can't put it to words. I hope it does get a lot better but as of right now it's okay. P.S - Feel free to disagree with my opinion but remember just it's an opinion and can't be wrong. |
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| Haha I'd like to see a guy do an Ao cosplay. |
| The one thing I don't really like about this show is that they have really young kids at the forefront. I don't care that Ao is 12 but that little moe girl totally ruins what I thought this show would be about. I could've done without that cake/ice cream thing when she got cream on her face -_- I'm trying not to compare it to Eureka Seven but I don't know if I'm a fan of the higher ups calling the shots and Ao being another soldier. I liked the who rebel group feel in Eureka Seven more. Too soon to judge of course but each episode makes me less interested... I REALLY loved the first episode. |
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Waffles66 said: The one thing I don't really like about this show is that they have really young kids at the forefront. I don't care that Ao is 12 but that little moe girl totally ruins what I thought this show would be about. I could've done without that cake/ice cream thing when she got cream on her face -_- I'm trying not to compare it to Eureka Seven but I don't know if I'm a fan of the higher ups calling the shots and Ao being another soldier. I liked the who rebel group feel in Eureka Seven more. Too soon to judge of course but each episode makes me less interested... I REALLY loved the first episode. I agree with this. Don't really enjoy the fact these kids are working for the company as the lead LFO pilots. One thing was Gekko State, was that they were rebels and didn't have rules.Also, I miss how they used to battle on trapper waves. This show is too mechanical, and it loses the magic that Eureka Seven had. Also, the characters on Generation Blu are not really appealing, and I find them annoying. Maybe it will get better but I hope it reverts back the first episode as you said. That first episode was so magical and exceeded all expectations. |
Darkdrone said: Waffles66 said: The one thing I don't really like about this show is that they have really young kids at the forefront. I don't care that Ao is 12 but that little moe girl totally ruins what I thought this show would be about. I could've done without that cake/ice cream thing when she got cream on her face -_- I'm trying not to compare it to Eureka Seven but I don't know if I'm a fan of the higher ups calling the shots and Ao being another soldier. I liked the who rebel group feel in Eureka Seven more. Too soon to judge of course but each episode makes me less interested... I REALLY loved the first episode. I agree with this. Don't really enjoy the fact these kids are working for the company as the lead LFO pilots. One thing was Gekko State, was that they were rebels and didn't have rules.Also, I miss how they used to battle on trapper waves. This show is too mechanical, and it loses the magic that Eureka Seven had. Also, the characters on Generation Blu are not really appealing, and I find them annoying. Maybe it will get better but I hope it reverts back the first episode as you said. That first episode was so magical and exceeded all expectations. Ahh! I agree with the mechanical part.. E7:Ao feels somewhat less "alive". Even the animation seems a little clunky to me compared to scenes in the prequel. I remember one scene in the prequel, where Eureka was reffing through the clouds after secretly leaving the Gekko, and man.. I was in awe at how fluid the animation was, and at how the BGM was used. |
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Lolitha said: gorthol said: The thing that makes me wonder what is going on is the fact that this Nirvash has only one seat. That's not surprising. There are tons of other differences. It's hardly a "prequel" more like spin off :< It's neither, being a sequel and all; Ao's parentage is so obvious it hurts. Give me any perceived "difference" that compromises this fact, and I'll gladly do my best to explain. As for the Nirvash, the original's archetype did indeed have two seats, and was the only known LFO to possess such. Remember, though, that at the end of the first series, the true Nirvash had left their dimension with half the Scub and some humans. The Nirvash Ao's piloting, whom Eureka piloted previously, I do not think is the same, as it seems completely mechanical and looks to be about twice as large; I'm assuming they (Probably led by Renton) had built it to honor the original Nirvash, both giving it a similar design and its namesake. I used to be the biggest E7 fan in the world, and after years of gradual disinterest and jaded retrospection, I could not be happier with the way this series is turning out; in a lot of ways, I think it's even better than the first series, and think a lot of you are disappointed because you were expecting something more direct and less subtle. Look at it for what it is, and realize that as a standalone story, it works incredibly well, and is only made better when you understand the references and relations the first series. |
| I think it's funny how hardly anyone in this forum has a problem with this series turning into yet another harem full of stereotypical 'moe' character designed little girls piloting mechs. A few others have stated issues with the age thing. If my memory serves me correct in E7 adults had no problem with piloting LFO's. I was mildly enjoying the series until this episode introduced the completely unnecessary fan service and moe. It certainly wasn't cool that they tried to pass it off by pointing out that it was fan service. Interesting sequel, just degraded into just another retarded harem. Seriously? I hope all the little moe girls die horrible deaths like in madoka and this show gets back to it's original canon. |
| It's a harem only when the girls are interested in the guy. So far none of them show any real interest in Ao so no that analogy doesn't fit just yet. |
Dangerr said: Lolitha said: gorthol said: The thing that makes me wonder what is going on is the fact that this Nirvash has only one seat. That's not surprising. There are tons of other differences. It's hardly a "prequel" more like spin off :< It's neither, being a sequel and all; Ao's parentage is so obvious it hurts. Give me any perceived "difference" that compromises this fact, and I'll gladly do my best to explain. As for the Nirvash, the original's archetype did indeed have two seats, and was the only known LFO to possess such. Remember, though, that at the end of the first series, the true Nirvash had left their dimension with half the Scub and some humans. The Nirvash Ao's piloting, whom Eureka piloted previously, I do not think is the same, as it seems completely mechanical and looks to be about twice as large; I'm assuming they (Probably led by Renton) had built it to honor the original Nirvash, both giving it a similar design and its namesake. I used to be the biggest E7 fan in the world, and after years of gradual disinterest and jaded retrospection, I could not be happier with the way this series is turning out; in a lot of ways, I think it's even better than the first series, and think a lot of you are disappointed because you were expecting something more direct and less subtle. Look at it for what it is, and realize that as a standalone story, it works incredibly well, and is only made better when you understand the references and relations the first series. Actually I think you might be right. I probably was expecting something much more direct, but I that's only half of the reason as to why I'm disappointed. I still have yet to be let down on the plot, but that's mostly because its still so early into the series. I'm hoping for it to live up to the prequel and feel extremely grand and adventurous by the end. Though I will have to agree with your point that it does work well as a standalone story, something I never really thought to think of regarding sequels. I personally found myself let down a bunch of times with this sequel. I just don't think it has the same "feel" as the prequel, followed by many inconsistencies which should be answered with time. Meh. My love for the prequel is too strong. I just can't seem to put it into the right words to describe it right. To each their own, I guess. :) |
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z4yd said: Dangerr said: Lolitha said: gorthol said: The thing that makes me wonder what is going on is the fact that this Nirvash has only one seat. That's not surprising. There are tons of other differences. It's hardly a "prequel" more like spin off :< It's neither, being a sequel and all; Ao's parentage is so obvious it hurts. Give me any perceived "difference" that compromises this fact, and I'll gladly do my best to explain. As for the Nirvash, the original's archetype did indeed have two seats, and was the only known LFO to possess such. Remember, though, that at the end of the first series, the true Nirvash had left their dimension with half the Scub and some humans. The Nirvash Ao's piloting, whom Eureka piloted previously, I do not think is the same, as it seems completely mechanical and looks to be about twice as large; I'm assuming they (Probably led by Renton) had built it to honor the original Nirvash, both giving it a similar design and its namesake. I used to be the biggest E7 fan in the world, and after years of gradual disinterest and jaded retrospection, I could not be happier with the way this series is turning out; in a lot of ways, I think it's even better than the first series, and think a lot of you are disappointed because you were expecting something more direct and less subtle. Look at it for what it is, and realize that as a standalone story, it works incredibly well, and is only made better when you understand the references and relations the first series. Actually I think you might be right. I probably was expecting something much more direct, but I that's only half of the reason as to why I'm disappointed. I still have yet to be let down on the plot, but that's mostly because its still so early into the series. I'm hoping for it to live up to the prequel and feel extremely grand and adventurous by the end. Though I will have to agree with your point that it does work well as a standalone story, something I never really thought to think of regarding sequels. I personally found myself let down a bunch of times with this sequel. I just don't think it has the same "feel" as the prequel, followed by many inconsistencies which should be answered with time. Meh. My love for the prequel is too strong. I just can't seem to put it into the right words to describe it right. To each their own, I guess. :) Well, I wouldn't feel too down yet, as Eureka is almost certain to show up later again, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Renton either, in the end -- a family reunion would be a momentously satisfying event, and one I don't think BONES would pass up; that is, unless they're going to be truly daring with this series, but it will have to be all the better written if they're going to do something like that. |
Orion1 said: I think it's funny how hardly anyone in this forum has a problem with this series turning into yet another harem full of stereotypical 'moe' character designed little girls piloting mechs. A few others have stated issues with the age thing. If my memory serves me correct in E7 adults had no problem with piloting LFO's. I was mildly enjoying the series until this episode introduced the completely unnecessary fan service and moe. It certainly wasn't cool that they tried to pass it off by pointing out that it was fan service. Interesting sequel, just degraded into just another retarded harem. Seriously? I hope all the little moe girls die horrible deaths like in madoka and this show gets back to it's original canon. I'll agree that the moe fan-service pandering is annoying to some extent, but it is not enough to detract all the other aspects this series has done right; it actually has proper CHARACTERIZATION, WRITING, and DEPTH, which is something that anime in general has a problem doing adequately anymore. Yes, I'm also tired to death of the "child-pilots" trope, but again, I have faith the reasoning behind it won't be a cop-out, as the series' aptitude for plotting and exposition thus far has been surprisingly coherent and amiable. I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that Japan can't get enough of the moe crap, and have taken the decision to just look past it when I can; it hasn't interfered enough with this series yet to make it a serious detractor for me. Also -- they're IFOs, not LFOs; there actually seems to be a substantial difference between the two. |
Dangerr said: they're IFOs, not LFOs; there actually seems to be a substantial difference between the two. I wasn't referring to the new IFO's who appear to only work with little moe girls and one very special boy who is not 'yet' at the center of a harem. LMAO Light Finding Operation (LFO) mecha appear to have been humanoid alien skeletons found in the srub coral fitted with armor. Intellligent Flying Objects (IF0) are humanoid robots, aka mecha, that incorporate Flying Platform technology with srub coral. So wiki basically didn't help. Perhaps someone's read the manga which is hopefully more specific on why IFO's are different from LFO's making them inoperable by adults and apparently males not of the scrub coral alien variety. I'd also like this question answered. If the Nirvash does not have the original Archetype at it's core, how is it the Nirvash? I'd be more comfortable with someone saying that IFO's are simply what they call LFO's using earth technology and some sort of scrub coral extraction and not humanoid scrub coral skeletons covered in armor. Or perhaps IFO's utilize KLF technology which makes them different than LFO's... Really? I seriously don't care what reason they create for making these mechs only pilotable by little girls. The reality is much more depressing for anime fans who actually enjoy interesting animation, devoid of completely over used stereotypical characters archetypes. As soon as they introduced an 11 year old girl that operates, probably a billion dollar machine and loves ice cream, the CHARACTERIZATION, WRITING and DEPTH, ended in my opinion. The original series did have the children that Eureka took care of, but I wouldn't go as far as calling them completely stereotypical moe characters. They were just children who accented Eureka's nurturing characteristic of her personality. It made her more human, and I suppose possibly even leads towards the birth to AO. Of course that doesn't explain why she abandoned him. I suppose the rest of the series will work to divulge this misnomer. I'm going to continue watching and hope episode five was just a fluke, and the mangaka and director kill off the moe girls next episode and introduce some real pilots that are actually old enough to work for this Swiss corporation they are calling Generation Bleu. Last time I checked Switzerland still had labor laws. |
Orion1 said: Dangerr said: they're IFOs, not LFOs; there actually seems to be a substantial difference between the two. I wasn't referring to the new IFO's who appear to only work with little moe girls and one very special boy who is not 'yet' at the center of a harem. LMAO Light Finding Operation (LFO) mecha appear to have been humanoid alien skeletons found in the srub coral fitted with armor. Intellligent Flying Objects (IF0) are humanoid robots, aka mecha, that incorporate Flying Platform technology with srub coral. So wiki basically didn't help. Perhaps someone's read the manga which is hopefully more specific on why IFO's are different from LFO's making them inoperable by adults and apparently males not of the scrub coral alien variety. I'd also like this question answered. If the Nirvash does not have the original Archetype at it's core, how is it the Nirvash? I'd be more comfortable with someone saying that IFO's are simply what they call LFO's using earth technology and some sort of scrub coral extraction and not humanoid scrub coral skeletons covered in armor. Or perhaps IFO's utilize KLF technology which makes them different than LFO's... Really? I seriously don't care what reason they create for making these mechs only pilotable by little girls. The reality is much more depressing for anime fans who actually enjoy interesting animation, devoid of completely over used stereotypical characters archetypes. As soon as they introduced an 11 year old girl that operates, probably a billion dollar machine and loves ice cream, the CHARACTERIZATION, WRITING and DEPTH, ended in my opinion. The original series did have the children that Eureka took care of, but I wouldn't go as far as calling them completely stereotypical moe characters. They were just children who accented Eureka's nurturing characteristic of her personality. It made her more human, and I suppose possibly even leads towards the birth to AO. Of course that doesn't explain why she abandoned him. I suppose the rest of the series will work to divulge this misnomer. I'm going to continue watching and hope episode five was just a fluke, and the mangaka and director kill off the moe girls next episode and introduce some real pilots that are actually old enough to work for this Swiss corporation they are calling Generation Bleu. Last time I checked Switzerland still had labor laws. Just because we find this personally distasteful doesn't mean these elements simply cease to exist. Anyways, I'm certain they'll actually divulge into why this is, other than some sort of convenience in plottting -- it's far too big a leap of logic to simply assume "WELP, LET'S JUST HAVE KIDS PILOT THESE MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR MACHINES JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT" -- what concerns me is the reasoning behind it, though I'm holding out faith in the producers' ability to not make it something asinine and stupid. I'm also sure they're going to explain the specific differences between LFOs and IFOs; you seem to already understand the apparent differences well enough. I'm guessing they (probably Eureka and/or Renton) named it the Nirvash as a homage to the original. |
DangerrMay 16, 2012 1:12 PM
| People are still surprised when they see children saving the world in anime while the adults just stand and watch? Come on guys. |
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| So..... if this is, as some say, an alternate Earth/timeline with these Scub Burst as possible gateways between each other then... Joke theory: Eureka had an affair and dumped Ao here. On a more serious note, they should do like a 5 minute clip explaining some of the terminologies used. It'll go fine so long as they explain some of the things better. |
| I'm pretty sure it's just you, sspit. >just look at the G-Monsters... if that doesnt remind you Ramiel, im sure this wasnt really intended (but the similarity is still there) You say that as if Ramiel was an original creation of Evangelion. |
| Dawwwwwwww Rin is so adorable. <3 Her voice is just so distinctive. |
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| "Take me to your leader!" Oh man, I was like, is that a song title ref, or movie/tv quote?! Anyways, mood swings from Fluer and Eli much? They help Ao and the next thing is that they leave him alone wondering what to do, even worse is that Ao just sits there or stands about like a sim waiting for me to click on him and go the toilets. Ao hasn't earnt Fluer and Eli's respect yet maybe? But it seems to have changed when Ao don the suit. I mean, I wouldn't call him a best bud that quick, a civilian who just happen to be able to pilot Mark I to join the top team in GenBleu. (And he did kinda end up in the girls dorm room... which I would probably feel abit, trespassed...? who cares, Ao, don't just stand there! DO SOMETHING! ANYTHING!) Gonna have to watch the episode the 4th time. Ao didn't really know exactly why he was joining Generation Blue after when Goldilocks Bruno tells him to go home... Seems like he made up his mind to stay. Maybe this episode is a bit fast paced with the characters... |
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zeon said: The Eva quotes/references so far in this series are welcome, but they should be careful not to cross the line separating homage and ripoff... Had a laugh with her saying the "fanservice, fanservice ouou". |
sspit said: TEH_GEASS said: Maybe this episode is a bit fast paced with the characters... maybe not the correct term, its more like the characters dont react to the plot, so things seem to move fast because they 'slip through' the characters That's a better way to put it. :) |
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| I have to love all the other anime references in this series. Also why does the whole world seem to hate Ao? |
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| Ao is in the girls dorm and not being punished? the way the 2 girls treating him feels like how the military treats rookies |
| Man fleur just feel in love with Gazelle on sight wtf lmao I guess he got game idk but if Gazelle really had game he would go after Rebecca now she has an ass For vets those girls sucked and weren't even calm under the given situation. |
Amon-RawNov 27, 2012 10:27 AM
| This ain't no sequel! This is more like a spin-off...and a lightweight one at that. Only 5 eps in and I can already tell this is not on par with the prequel. Oh well... Sent with Mal Updater |
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| Great development, I quite like where this is going so let's see what's next. |
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| Taken me a longtime to get to this series. On its own it's kinda average so far but intrigued to learn what this has to do with the first series of Eureka 7 since it appears to be a different world. |
| So a trait Ao inherited from Eureka is being able to see in a wider spectrum (can see infrared and ultraviolet). |
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