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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Awesome anime overall.. but.. - many flaws in the story - many things left to explain - mamiina's death was way too sad and retarded - the development in the last few eps sucked, they should have wiped the other 2 races out |
| Just saw the post above, and have to comment xD The thing that annoyed me the most is that ending without closure. I mean, I don't think that Nevril and Aeru actually were dancing on that ship in the end, just that it's like a metaphor of their staying young forever.... I also think that the "other world" Nevril and Aeru, and before them Dominura and Limone, went to is actually past. Dominura had some comment like "Everything began cause I started it"... which leads me to believe that she instructed people on how to use Simoun. Also , there is one more theory. Dominura is actually Onashia xD When Yun touched Onashia, she pronounced Dominura's name... Dominura went to past and became Onashia at some point of time, until Yun came along. Also, when Dominura and Limone did that Emerald RihMajong thing, the same stardust that was seen like the one Onashia releases.... |
| //“The third time is for what will be. The way back will come but once. Be steadfast.” |
| He he thanks xD I developed this theory with a friend, just wanted to see what other people think of it :D As for meeting up with Dominura (Onashia) and Limone, I'm guessing that they probably will meet up sometime. And maybe even meet with Amuria :D But I'm not clear on one thing... If Dominura became Onashia, what happens with Limone? Did she die or something like that? And how old is Dominura anyway? They say that she's the last survivor of that legendary chorus Dextra, in which was Aeru's grandfather!!! |
| //“The third time is for what will be. The way back will come but once. Be steadfast.” |
| Well for the chorus, it's probably like this... maybe Chorus Dextra has been formed in the time when Aeru's grandfather was young, and memberes changed during the years. Like they did in Aeru's chorus when the war began. Then Dominura could have been in that chorus without Aeru's grandfather :D But doesn't she seem a bit older from the other Sybillas? They're like what, 15, maybe 16? She seems like a grown up woman... especially compared to Limone xD Dunno about Onashia.... perhaps she ascended into the next plain of existence (omg, I can't believe that I just wrote that ahahahaha).... And yes, Nevril and Aeru will probably end up like that as well. But who knows, I mean the ending is soooo unclear, and I love it and hate it at the same time ;DD |
| //“The third time is for what will be. The way back will come but once. Be steadfast.” |
| Well that's the point in some anime, leaving things a bit unclear so they can leave us to conclude what happened. And you must love it and hate it at the same time xDD But I wish that someone else was active here... to see what they think xD And of course, if you rewatch the show, be sure to post something ;) I'm also glad to have discussed this with you lol. |
| //“The third time is for what will be. The way back will come but once. Be steadfast.” |
| Uuuuu, nice, someone who doesn't agree :D Ok then, but I think that they didn't went outside time, just that they went to the distant past. What do you think about that :D? |
| //“The third time is for what will be. The way back will come but once. Be steadfast.” |
| Heh, me too... especially cause someone doesn't agree :D |
| //“The third time is for what will be. The way back will come but once. Be steadfast.” |
| Sorry for reviving this post, but I finally went ahead and saw and finished Simoune. I have to admit, when I first started watching this I never would have thought this series would involve time travel. -_-;; Time travel as a plot device in series is fine and all, but they all eventually run into the problem of time paradox. (i.e. if they went and did this, then does that mean that happens?, etc). So we end up with open ended questions of if Dominura is Onashia and did Aaeru and Nevril go to the past or the future? My biggest question was "What exactly was the taboo over Choir Dextra?" For the longest time due to the possibility of time travel, I thought perhaps Aaeru's grandfather was someone from a different time. :-) Maybe even a member of Choir Tempest. Another question for me was, "What exactly is causing the 'glitter'? Not choosing a gender? Doing the Emerald Ri Maajon? And is it that bad?" ugh... too many questions. lol Still I did enjoy it, questions and all. |
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| Yeah, the show left too many questions... but that's why I like it so much, gives us space to think a little. As for Choir Dextra, weren't they a taboo topic cause they all died, except Dominura and Aeru's grandfather? I mean it is weird that they were in the same Choir and Dominura's still a young girl. Maybe there were more generations of that Choir...? If that's the case, it should be taboo cause they all died... As for not choosing gender, I dunno if that's bad or good... long-term probably is bad cause of that whole Onashia deal, not being able to be touched, but short-term must be good cause you can drive a Simoun still ;) |
| //“The third time is for what will be. The way back will come but once. Be steadfast.” |
| I think I'll probably end up watching this again in the far future. I have to admit, I'm surprised to find myself going through Simoun withdrawal. :D I guess I got attached to the characters and the world they live in. Regarding Choir Dextra, the problem as to whether or not they are taboo is the fact that nobody talks about them in the first place. Are they not talking because it's taboo or is it taboo because of the deaths? Plus the age difference between Aaeru's grandfather and Dominura, the implied implications of being his granddaughter, the implications of time travel, etc. I sometimes think the writers somehow wrote themselves into a corner with Choir Dextra with all these insinuations that doesn't quite add up. I still think Aaeru's grandfather might have come from a different time. If the age difference was due to Dextra replenishing it's ranks after each casualty, then considering the age difference, we're talking about alot of people. Or if they're only talking about the last group (Dominia's) dying, then why extend the taboo to Aaeru's grandfather? I have a feeling (after looking at all the other previous posts all asking about Dextra) that this is a question that most likely will not be answered. :) |
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| Well I've just finished the show. I think Mamiina's death was "neccessary" even if the scene was awfully played. The time travelling and Choir Dextra messed up somewhat the story, but i think it was enjoyable. I think Domimura is Onashia. Choir dextra worked for decades probably and Limure probably died somehow. Proofs: similar look, both former Dextra member, Domimura leaves the same golden dust in the end. The time jump probably don't take them out of the time, cause Domimura and Limone far from walking ghosts(being oout of time practiculary similar to being a ghost)...Domimura actually got sick later. The dance scene i think actually happens somewhere in sometime. A story with time travelling contradicts with the need of chronological order. P.S: I think Morinas the luckies too. And she was my favourite. |
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| A little disappointed and confused about the ending...well it was anti-climactic to me at the least. Since the Emerald Ri Maajon can warp space and time (I think), was the dance scene at the end depicting the future to be, as the war where the other girls would have already ended... |
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| Wew, I just finish watching it. Now i understand why Yun said, "Dominura" at the end. Perhaps why Onashia have been very kind all along coz she is Dominura. About Limone, I saw nothing, sadly~ umm, bout Neviril and Aaeru, they must be goin' to the future, probably, coz we can see that they are dancing in the ship and the ship have been destroyed (although we still don't know what happen, maybe a sudden war broke again). If they go to the past, the ship will not be in that condition. And, seeing the drawing at the wall, make it clear that Aaeru and Neviril go to the future after Paraietta draw that. So basically, they are travelling in the same world but different time. While Dominura and Limune went to the Past. Aaeru and Neviril go to the future. For mamiina, it's sad that the fact still buried down. That Aaeru and the others don't know that the simile that actually must bring Mamiina body safety to her birth place was not comming back. And, before the girls went to the spring, Rodoreamon intend to go home and she intending to meet Mamiina's mother, so that it can relief her sadness, so-so ~ O.O" But it seems that she help Paraietta in the orphanage. WAAHH.. There is still many mistery !!! WKWK.. I don't care lahhh, as far as I watch this anime, it is really exciting (in the middle) and I admit, the ending was really frustrating that Simoun was not like any other yuri, i mean, it's lacking of romance.. hahah.. |
| "Life isn't complicated. We are far more complicated. Life is simple, and it is correct to be simple." -Oscar Wilde- |
| Other than the obvious curiosity about the where/when abouts of Aer and Neviril and what they went on to do. I am curious about Rimone (or Limone her name is spelled here). What happened to her that Dominura (Onasia) could not save her maiden? Was it mentioned in the show? If I missed an explanation someone please let me know. |
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| The last episode felt like a bad after-taste to a delicious meal. I loved the entirety of the series, but the way they ended it left me with far to many questions, and precious few answers. I liked how they wrapped up most of the major characters', but the especially important characters seemed a bit unfinished at the end. I'd hoped for a bit more informative of an end, even if it were only the two of them somewhere unfamiliar for a minute and half. |
OtaAgg said: If you look closely at the ending, Dominura does not seem to age, even though Rimone(Limone) has apparently chosen her gender and matured quite a bit. And no, Amuria is definitely not dead. If she was, it would contradict the whole point of the series. Limone didn't choose her gender though, because if she did, she wouldn't be able to pilot the Simoun anymore. And as she is last seen heading off into the Simoun...Yeah. And I also do think Amuria IS dead, because she didn't do the Emerald Ri Majon correctly. If it had worked right, she and Neviril both would have time traveled. But it failed, and her side of the Simoun was destroyed - implying that she was at least hurt. I guess she could have survived, but I think it's far more likely that the Emerald Ri Majon just completely obliterated her body. |
| i thinks its a real pitty that the big ship (sorry forgot the name) that they lived on for so long and that they all loved is sitting in the middle of a lake. although it is reasonable as most retired ships do get sunk to the bottom of the ocean now a days it just so sad to see all those memories may it be good or bad to be sunken. also it feels like such a waist to have it sit there. there could be valuable stuff in there. and its also sad how they all had to split up :( |
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| I loved this anime and the ending. People claim it was confusing but I don't see how. Whatever, it could be because I've seen way too many anime with supposedly confusing ending. XD To my explanaton of stuff that happened: About Onashia: She is clearly Dominura. HOWEVER, I'm pretty certain that she didn't have her memories from being Dominura. Something must have happened before Limone and Dominura went for the last flight and as a result, Limone died. Dominura couldn't bear her sadness and she somehow managed to seal some of her memories inside the helical motor(s) (she knew which one she would look into). That's why when she looked into it she later said she saw someone's memories and what was behind Emerald Ri-Maajon. This happened only to Dominura, so it could be they were her memories and reacted to her. It makes sense since Onashia doesn't speak much of her past. Possibly because she simply doesn't have many memories. The fact that they both belonged to Chor Dextra and Onashia is said to have lived for decades so unless she belonged there as speaker of the god/head of the government (what would be very weird), she must have been someone else. About Dominura: I think they actually managed to pull off Emerald Ri-Maajon but misunderstood it as something that went wrong, tried to run away from it but a few of them got caught in it, including her. Maybe something went wrong with her partner adn she died. Why do I think this? Not only she is MUCH younger than someone who was her (technically) boss, but when she has her flashback time, she is flying down from sky in Simoun. ALONE. There are no other Simoun in the scene. Considering that they were using all 6 Simoun, it is highly unlikely that no one would be there. IMO she got transported to future. That would also explain why she got affected by it faster than Limone. Limone traveled only once, while Dominura twice. I think Onashia did something to cover it up (since they are the same person it just makes sense). Also it might have affected her aging, that's why she was younger while she traveled only a few minutes in time. But I'm pretty sure she DID travel in time. About Aeru and Neviril: The last scene with them was just a metaphor. I think that was because in their case Emerald Ri-Majon worked completely (they were the only ones using it that wished to go the other world, all other either didn't care-Limone, Dominura or used it for some other purpose-everyone else) and they exist beyond time and space (they and their Simoun appears randomly). The other world could pretty much be a higher plane of existence or something like paradise (since they talked about Land of Hope). The last scene basically says that they are happy and together forever, "eternal maidens". As everything around them decays, they stay the same (that implies that time doesn't flow for them), dacing in embrace (implies happines and different form of existence since they ignore the world around as if it wasn't there to them). About Yun: Notice that she was the one who stayed behind with Aeru after Limone's and Dominura's disappearance. She said she probably knew what was the reason. Aeru's reason was most likely her grandfather. But I don't remember Yun's ever being clearly said. She also lost her sagitta. The only one aside form her who lost her partner on screen was Neviril. Afterwards, Onashia went herself after her directly, while it was implied that calling Onashia for something stupid was improper. IMO that was the first time Onashia indirectly asked for her help by revealing her weakness to her (she was told she couldn't touch her). She approached close enough for physcial contact and didn't look upset when Yun tried to make it. It was her assitants that stopped her not Onashia. She clearly wanted to get closer to Yun. If she is Dominura, and Dominura did lose her partner while doing Emerald Ri-Maajon, then it's clear that she wanted to contact someone she felt close to (same loss) but Neviril already moved on at that point and possibly it was too long ago for her so the only option was Yun. Afterall why else would Onashia bother with bringing her a cut ponytail? Why would she say she secretly hoped she would save her? It makes sense when you think about it. Ok, that's it. I'm done. No one will probably read this. XD |
SuiNoByakkoApr 22, 2012 4:20 PM
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| I loved the anime, and I think the end was quite good,I really liked it! I just wished that Paraietta had ended up with Caimu, who loved her, but anyway... Here is my POV :) 1- Dominura IS Onashia. Both said they were in Choir Dextra, and it is said that Dominura is the last survivor of that choir. Not only that, in the last episode Dominura loose the same sparkle as Onashia because they didn't went to the spring. Also they look like each other if you look carefully. When dominura looked into the simoun she told Rimone that she saw "someone's memories" and after that she says "something's memories" I am pretty sure she was talking about Onashia'a memories, so she did know what she was going to become when she did the emerald rimaajon. And if you pay attention when she saw into the helical motors she made the same expression as Yun when she was going to take Onashia's place. Onashia told Yun that they were the same, a her companions died and she wanted to be close to them but go away too (that happened when she was in choir dextra). Also in the last episode it is said that the helical motors hold secrets between time and space, so I believe that this is one of the secrets. ~so basically: dominura saw what she was going to become, and did the esmerald rimaajon with Rimone, they went to the PAST, in some point of their lifes something happened to Rimone, Dominura continued to live on and she ended up becoming Onashia. 2- Rimone and Dominura went to the PAST. When they arrive in that place Dominura and Limone start talking about the FIRST simoun and who was the two maidens who teached the people how to use it, so I think this is the way the director made to lead people to this conclusion. Also when Rimone saw Aaeru's simoun she says "Aaeru" and teach a girl from the village its meaning, It can't be a coincidence that her name (which is pretty unusual) was a word in another dialect, so I believe that Rimone was the one who brought that word with its meaning and setted in that past dialect. And there were a lot of "ANCIENT Simouns" (the purple one) in that place, the same ones the people with that other dialect (with the Aaeru meaning love of god) drove. 3- Aaeru's Grandfather hasn't peformed the emerald rimaajon as he said in one episode to Aaeru, he wasn't able to travel to another world and that was why he wished for her to do it. About choir Dextra, he was a member but one day he decided to go to the spring and left the Choir. When it was said that Dominura was the last survivor or Choir Dextra, Aaeru's grandfather was already dead, it doesn't mean he died still a sybilla, it only means Dominura is the only member left. Although, I think Dominura and Aaeru's grandfather were in the choir in the same time, because Dominura recognize the song played in Aaeru's music box (which her grandfather gave to her), so maybe Dominura was like Rimone, the youngest in her choir, that's why she liked and identified herself with Rimone so much. 4-Niviril and Aaeru: they did the emerald rimaajon and they went to another time and space. Nobody knows where. I just don't believe that they went to another plane, since it was said that the emerald rimaajon traveled just in time and space and this higher plane ideia was created based in other animes(?) The last scene, with Aaeru and Niviril dancing, is just a representation, a metaphor of what the other sybillas are thinking: their "eternal maidens". I think it is a beautiful ending :) PS: Sorry for writing so much >.< And forgive me for any mistakes, english is not my first language. :) |
miyinAug 7, 2012 4:30 PM
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| So I'm pretty sure now that Dominura was Onashia since Dominura was shown to have the same sort of glowing flaky skin condition that Onashia had and it seemed that Dominura and Limune went to the past so why didn't she do something to prevent the war? Also what happened to Limune since she obviously didn't go to the spring (was there even a "spring" in that time?) because she was going to pilot a Simoun with Dominura again. Yun replacing Onashia in the spring felt so random, it's like the creators just forgot to give her a role for the entire series then suddenly remembers she existed in the final 4 or so episodes. Also it didn't make much sense for the opposition to ask for a treaty seeing as they were basically winning, if all they wanted was to get rid of their Simoun pilots then they could have easily done that seeing as they had found a lot of ancient Simouns for some reason. I do have to say though the character development in the show was done brilliantly well aside for the actual two main characters, honestly I wish they didn't devout so much episodes to Neveril having an existential crisis and actually focused on having a coherent story line. |
MagEarwhigAug 10, 2012 5:50 AM
| I finally pulled myself together and finished watching this series. I think it took me, what, one-and-a-half year? Oh wow. First things first. The ending was way to vague for my liking; Neviril and Aeru performs the Emerald Ri Maajon and travel to another world/time, Dominura agrees to fly with Limone again, and all the other Sibyllae grows up. But that's about as many answers as we get! Did Neviril and Aeru ever make it to their destination? And what happened to Dominura and Limone? Does the Emerald Ri Maajon really send people back in time? I'm very confused about all this... I have a theory though. I believe Dominura is Onashia, as many of the above comments also state. Like Onashia, she's a former member of Choir Dextra, and from what we've seen, she never chose her gender. In the last episode, she was shown feeling ill; maybe poor health is a side-effect of not choosing your gender? Onashia did look somewhat sick if you ask me. Also, they look pretty similar, and Yun did say Dominura's name after she replaced Onashia. Agh, all this thinking and speculating is making my head hurt! I liked the opening because it was really serence and nostalgic done, but all the loose ends really get to me! |
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| Okay, so after reading the Simoun article on Wikipedia for the past half our, I think I have some answers for you guys! Dominura and Limone: With the secret of the Emerald Ri Mājon revealed, we are finally shown what happened to Rimone and Dominūra. They landed in the far past, in the aftermath of a destructive war and a long period of lean economic times. Humanity had forgotten the secrets of the Simoun and the ways of their faith. The ancient Simoun found at the Ruins sit idle by the edge of the town where the two land, reduced to mere playthings for children. As the two are summoned to explain themselves to the townspeople, Dominūra explains to Rimone what she saw in the helical motors that upset her so much: she saw herself landing in this very town, explaining to the townspeople about the Emerald Ri Mājon, and thereby causing the entire war and all of the ensuing suffering. She asks Rimone for advice, and Rimone explains that if there had not been Simouns, she never would have met Chor Tempest or Dominūra. This admission overcomes Dominūra's reservations, and history unfolds exactly as Dominūra and Rimone remember it. After reading all the stuff on Wikipedia, I understood so much more! So if you're confused about the ending, reading that will help clear up a few things. Also, it makes the ending seem even sadder :'( |
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LookB4uJump said: ...Did you even watch the show?Honestly, this episode brought my rating down from a nine to an eight. I'm fine with that open ending stuff for the most part, but other things, like Mamiina's body should be concluded. Another thing I didn't like was how they just show Wapoureif and Minoras with kids all of a sudden. I want to know how they got together. I'd been waiting for that shit for like, twenty-something episodes! Same goes for the two guys whose names I'm not going to bother trying to spell. Were they together? Because I shipped it. I like how Rodore's hairstyle is like Mamiina's, I found that cute. I like'd seeing Erif, and I just found the whole need for Neviril and Aeru to go into the future to be completely unnecessary. The girls were pondering why they did it, and I still don't get why they did. Well, I suppose I do, but the reasoning is freakishly stupid, if you ask me. A pretty disappointing ending to an overall wonderful series. I thought from the very beginning that I'd hate this series. The only reason I watched it was because I made a vow to watch every anime which Chiaki Ishikawa sings in, since I am obsessed with Chiaki Ishikawa. I was surprised when I ended up liking it, but I should have known better than to think it would be good the whole way through. Wapourif was in a gender-changing proccess since episode 1 and in the last episode he was already a full built man. Morinas and him were teasing each other from early episodes till the very last ones too, unless you're blind or skipping scenes. The two guys you were talking about were "together" when they were sibyllae, so I assume they stood together in the end as well. They were young and naive, why not? They wanted to try something new without having anyone to boss them around. It wasn't the right choice, it was the choice they thought they would be happy with. You didn't think it was going to be good from episode 1 considering you started complaining about trivial things from the fucking first episode, so quit being delusional. |
| That was nice. My only complaint would be inappropriate music in some scenes of the first half (dance music in sad moments) and Neriviril's character design (she looks like a children doll). That aside and I would probably give it a ten. |
xxHxx said: About Mamiinna's body, it wasn't a subject. It just remain there, in the place it had fallen - I don't think it's a bad thing about the serie. Yeah that was sad but at the same time beautiful. I didn't get the impression of her (body) being abandoned though. She's resting in the field of flowers, certainly Mamiina would prefer that than be buried like a normal citizen. I'd like to think the enemy sibylla even gave her a proper funeral seeing how much they revere the sibyllas. It's been months since I watched this but whenever I remember Mamiina's death I still get a little teary-eyed :( |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
Xinisterad said: Agreed. Especially in episode 4, when Aaeru had to cut that dead man's stiff hands to get in the simoun, this track http://youtu.be/K0_QnRGA6wEE was playing despite being completely unfitting.That was nice. My only complaint would be inappropriate music in some scenes of the first half (dance music in sad moments) and Neriviril's character design (she looks like a children doll). That aside and I would probably give it a ten. I read somewhere that some critic compared Neviril's character design to a sex blow up doll, so yeah. I didn't like her that much anyway (I tend to get annoyed very easily by drama queens) so it didn't really bother me. Aaeru was the one who made Neviril bearable to me, so thank god to my favorite blonde mickey mouse girl. |
| just finished the series, and i am going to post some thoughts and questions here since it is the last episode thread. sometimes i might refer to a male as a female simply because i didnt really see anyone as "male" in this series, at least in the traditional sense. and i dont think there were any male voice actors either. the sisters (kaimu and alti i think?) were together at the end right? i always shipped them and i was really happy to see that they got to spend their lives together. both as females too! for me this was the happiest part of the ending i am glad paraietta stayed female. i hated that the show made it out that if you loved someone or wanted to be strong you had to choose male. of course the show showed that this reasoning evolved over time, and wasnt really true, but in the first episodes i was a little put off by it i had no idea that wapourif was in the gender changing process since the first episode! pretty stupid mistake on my part since the "f" was added to her name, but still that threw me for a huge loop. and who makes a woman who is pregnant and in her third trimester do manual labor? isnt that a health risk? *edit: i came back because i reread this and thought "wow, that kind of sounds sexist". i wasnt trying to be, but i know that being pregnant stresses the spine and morinas was literally lifting heavy boxes. not being a sexist jerk, just incredulous and concerned :) also totally shipped the captain and her second in command, they kissed and they were seen together in the last episode. dont care if they were both male, it was heartfelt for me did yun say dominura's name when she embraced onashia? i dont really remember, but... if she did i will buy into the "dominura is onashia" thing... even if it does take a lot of convoluted theories to justify dominura was showing signs of the dust thing at the end, because she didnt choose a gender? but if she completed the emerald with limone she shouldnt have to worry about that right? so do all people that complete the emerald have to suffer the same ill health dust symptoms as dominura? or was it because she hadnt chosen a gender for so long? and does doing the emerald again help her maintain her health? and when limone and dominura do the emerald again, where do they go? I also thought that because they did the emerald that they would stay "the same forever" as mentioned by the other girls, but limone is seen to be more mature (physically) than when she first did the emerald and when a simoun comes out of an emerald in the sky where limone and dominura are (when limone explains the meaning of "aaeru" to the girl before dominura says she wants to fly again), who is it? aaeru and neviril? or just some random pair? did paraietta just carve one character on the arcus prima? i think she did only do one... so that means someone came back and did the rest? this is just speculation on my part since we didnt see what para drew how, of all people, did floe choose male?! not even going to start on aaeru and neviril... that was way too open of an ending for them. though i get they they are supposed to be happy forever and that they will love each other and be immortal, but it was still a little open ship dancing scene is definitely a metaphor *edit: ok, maybe not... I really don't know on this one, it is just so open for interpretation. I want to think that they traveled to the future, and therefore they were actually dancing on the ruined arcus prima, but everything anyone says (except if the writers were to come out and say anything) is purely speculation... though I do consider the metaphor thing to be more likely overall it was great series and though i rated it pretty low (for lack of clarity involving the story and world setting, and the music which was absolutely terrible!) i still really enjoyed it. even though it felt really lacking in the way that character romance/pairings were resolved |
MatsuokaKiranApr 29, 2014 7:48 AM
| Overall a decent series and I especially enjoyed some of the soundtrack and characters. Finally managed to finish this show after it being sitting in my backlog for ages. |
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