| I've been planning on reading the novels. Hmm.. I don't know if I'll wait for the anime or not. Decisions decisions. |
Hoppy said: Can we get a LN adaptation that isn't a action/fantasy/harem series for once. They are a minority of the LN series getting adapted. It's just that a certain group of people like twisting everything that gets announced in order to try to force it into squeezing into that mould, creating the impression that that's all that gets adaptations. It had even started to fool me before I went off and actually checked the series that have anime coming up... |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| [-insert obligatory useless LN hate comment-] online sucks so much sometimes. |
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Red_Keys said: Looks like shit. Indeed it does. |
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| Oh my god, these haters. Especially that dragon avatar guy, fuck. Why does people hate on these upcoming LN adapations that I KNOW I will love? What's wrong with being pandered by erotic lolis with a generic shit plot? Why are you watching anime? Just enjoy your 2D girls and live with it, nerds. |
Subpyro said: Kabuto90 said: Kudos to everyone that's not judging something as shit before it even airs. I have a friend who has read this novel. He said it easily falls in the league of shit. Why? Because 95% is a copy of other crap light novels (Infinite Stratos alike), and that 5% is maybe original. Therefore, final conclusion, it's shit that you've already seen many times before. Some of us like to form our own opinions. Do you guys really need to post in every single LN thread to remind everybody about how much you hate this genre? I think we get it by now. |
| Damn, I wasn't quick enough to delete my comment. Yeah, that's the reason why I've deleted it. Mainly because if people want to be disappointed, why would someone stop them. My point wasn't that of hating, but telling why I can judge what's it gonna be like before it airs - it won't be much different than the LN. |
rederoin said: Because we all share your taste, oh wise one. I was speaking from the quality focus, not enjoyment focus. Quality-looking, the series are shit. That's enough said. Now I don't care what you enjoy and what you don't, I'll leave your relation to the series aside. Yet, overall looking, I will share the info of the general quality the series hold. They are bland, unoriginal, predictable and shallow. |
Subpyro said: rederoin said: Because we all share your taste, oh wise one. I was speaking from the quality focus, not enjoyment focus. Quality-looking, the series are shit. That's enough said. Now I don't care what you enjoy and what you don't. Enjoyment is quality. This is entertainment after-all. You can't be objective about the quality of entertainment/a tv series. Quality-looking, the series are shit, in your opinion. |
| Quote my full message next time, not partly. And no, enjoyment does not equal quality. Quality of some series is a sum of all the factors, with enjoyment being only one of them. Truth be told, I smiled when I saw you say that. If that's what you believe, I don't even feel like having a discussion with you, it's a waste of my time. Just please, let this be the last time you've tried to convince someone that quality is the same as enjoyment. While enjoyment is subjective, the rating of quality can get close to full objectivity. That is when experienced critics analyze it and compare it with the products around. Looking at the overall average, we don't need a professional to see that this will be something below the average. So please, until you learn what quality even is, try not to sound smart around it. Still, feel free to give the series a try if it's your cup of tea. I was looking at the whole picture. |
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| Quality is the same as enjoyment, though. At least for things whose express purpose is to give enjoyment to the reader. After all, the quality of the product is how well it achieves what it is intended for, right? When a writer sits down to write a story, they try to come up with something that they and/or their readers will enjoy. They don't sit down with the intention of something that can present their writing skills in a favourable light when subjected to literary analysis. Or at least, most don't. When they do, it's always obvious because the story is invariably utter trash. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
Subpyro said: While enjoyment is subjective, the rating of quality can get close to full objectivity. That is when experienced critics analyze it and compare it with the products around. Looking at the overall average, we don't need a professional to see that this will be something below the average. So please, until you learn what quality even is, try not to sound smart around it. Still, feel free to give the series a try if it's your cup of tea. I was looking at the whole picture. No, it can't be objective. People having different tastes or a different opinion as to what makes a good story/characters proofs that. |
kuuderes_shadow said: Quality is the same as enjoyment, though. At least for things whose express purpose is to give enjoyment to the reader. Even though this is a light novel, those still do and are expected to hold some quality. Not complexity, but quality. If the point the author is trying to come across is achieved greatly, for example pure comedy, that can already be seen as quality overall. However, if something is simply copied from something mainstream and bland, it is there purely to squeeze the profit, not to bring something new and original to the scene. That, in any shape, cannot be seen as something of higher quality. Quite the opposite, and the critics around tend to give appropriate scores due to that being the case. rederoin said: No, it can't be objective. People having different tastes or a different opinion as to what makes a good story/characters proofs that. Alright, excuse me if I offended you in any way whatsoever. You are correct, it's the way you say it. |
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| interesting o.o thought I haven't really been keeping up to date with the manga this is good news *w* |
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| You can't use originality as a measure of objective quality, because what counts as original is (excluding the clear cut case of copy/paste style plagiarism) itself subjective. Furthermore, you can never claim anything in fiction to be original. The closest you can do is simply say that you yourself as the reader/viewer have never come across such a thing before. Which kind of defies the point. And no, something sharing lots of traits with another series is not an inherently bad thing. The best series are those which take things that have been done before and do them better than they've been done before. The previous versions may indeed be bland, but that doesn't in any way impact on the quality of the new product, because the new product isn't copying. And, except in parody (which is yet another reason why originality can't be used to measure quality), to claim something as copying another is a very serious claim, and not one to be undertaken lightly. It certainly shouldn't be used just to describe things with shared characteristics. Why do I seem to recall having pretty much this exact same argument with you before? And what the hell is with the 'even though this is a light novel' comment? The exact same argument stands for all works of fiction. Who the publisher is is irrelevent. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| Does this LN have a mal page? |
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| http://myanimelist.net/manga/51025/Absolute_Duo |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
kuuderes_shadow said: Thanks. Shouldn't it be linked in the OP?http://myanimelist.net/manga/51025/Absolute_Duo |
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| Harem with the kuudere lead ? Welp I'm in, and IRC there are some crazy twists on this one. And of course, Yurie best girl. |
JoksPacifistJul 20, 2014 12:37 PM
kuuderes_shadow said: You can't use originality as a measure of objective quality, because what counts as original is (excluding the clear cut case of copy/paste style plagiarism) itself subjective. Naturally, that's why some parodies can still be a work of art. It seems you misunderstood me. I am saying that this work has copied all the low-quality factors from others, and it has done nothing to emphasize and/or improve anything. I have never been focusing on the series being bad because they aren't something new to the world, but because they run over all the factors that are understood as those of lower quality, that's it. I don't believe we've ever had a discussion on this matter before, or at least I don't remember it. |
| This is going to be utter garbage |
rederoin said: Enjoyment is quality. This is entertainment after-all. You can't be objective about the quality of entertainment/a tv series. Quality-looking, the series are shit, in your opinion. Repeat after me: enjoyment has no correlation with quality. Enjoyment has no correlation with quality. Enjoyment has no correlation with quality. |
wrenchbread said: rederoin said: Enjoyment is quality. This is entertainment after-all. You can't be objective about the quality of entertainment/a tv series. Quality-looking, the series are shit, in your opinion. Repeat after me: enjoyment has no correlation with quality. Enjoyment has no correlation with quality. Enjoyment has no correlation with quality. You can also repeat after me: Your opinion does not define quality. Your opinion does not define quality. Your opinion does not define quality. And there will never be an objective way to define the quality of art (the general concept in which Anime also sits in). Except for the simple things like grammar/use of language and plot holes. All this arguing is useless here, but oh, don't mind me, maybe one of these days you'll actually listen to reason. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| All these people who actually find this garbage good and are getting upset over us having an opinion is cute. Just because you're used to the taste of shit doesn't mean the shit is any good. It's still shit. LNs are barely ever good, but the rare chance that an LN is good, it's almost guaranteed that it will NEVER get adapted, because actual good stories don't sell, only what panders to otakus do. It's pretty sad, but it's the state of the industry. |
HonguJul 20, 2014 1:39 PM
Moonchipz said: All these people who actually find this garbage good and are getting upset over us having an opinion is cute. It's shit, and the anime will be shit. Deal with it. We find your need to post your opinions in every single thread to be annoying. Deal with it. |
wrenchbread said: rederoin said: Enjoyment is quality. This is entertainment after-all. You can't be objective about the quality of entertainment/a tv series. Quality-looking, the series are shit, in your opinion. Repeat after me: enjoyment has no correlation with quality. Enjoyment has no correlation with quality. Enjoyment has no correlation with quality. Repeating it does not make any less true. We are not on tumblr. Objective quality does not exist in entertainment, and thats the end of that, you can't argue it. |
rederoin said: Why make a thread about it if you're going to get upset over opinions? Do you know how childish that makes you sound?Moonchipz said: All these people who actually find this garbage good and are getting upset over us having an opinion is cute. Just because you're used to the taste of shit doesn't mean the shit is any good. It's still shit. LNs are barely ever good, but the rare chance that an LN is good, it's almost guaranteed that it will NEVER get adapted, because actual good stories don't sell, only what panders to otakus do. It's pretty sad, but it's the state of the industry.. We find your need to post your opinions in every single thread to be annoying. Deal with it. Also, this is like, the second LN announcement thread I've posted in, so don't lump me in with everyone else. If something catches our attention and we feel the need to post about it, we will. We're not going to abstain from posting because it might hurt the little kiddy's feelings. |
| Guys and gals, if there's one thing I would like to see is tolerance. These threads are created mainly for the purpose to allow the community to share their opinion on the series as well as discuss them. Naturally, you can either agree or disagree with an opinion, but please, do never say that someone's opinion is not wanted or shouldn't be shared. They have the right to share it, and if you dislike it, ignore it or discuss it. Do not go blacklisting people away. |
Subpyro said: Guys and gals, if there's one thing I would like to see is tolerance. These threads are created mainly for the purpose to allow the community to share their opinion on the series as well as discuss them. Naturally, you can either agree or disagree with an opinion, but please, do never say that someone's opinion is not wanted or shouldn't be shared. They have the right to share it, and if you dislike it, ignore it or discuss it. Do not go blacklisting people away. B-but their opinion is wrong! |
Subpyro said: Guys and gals, if there's one thing I would like to see is tolerance. These threads are created mainly for the purpose to allow the community to share their opinion on the series as well as discuss them. Naturally, you can either agree or disagree with an opinion, but please, do never say that someone's opinion is not wanted or shouldn't be shared. They have the right to share it, and if you dislike it, ignore it or discuss it. Do not go blacklisting people away. Nothing wrong with posting an opinion. It's belittling anyone whose opinion is different to yours, or trying to present your opinion as some sort of universal truth that are the things I have issues with. Compare Moonchipz's post (which I object to) with that of Beast666 on the first page (which is fine), for example. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| Awesome!! |
| "Did you really think I wouldn’t cheat just because I was already winning?" - Dread Emperor Terribilis II "I chose glory and success. The box did not contain what was written on the lid." - Sand dan Glokta |
| Hmmm pretty nice |
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rederoin said: Repeating it does not make any less true. We are not on tumblr. Objective quality does not exist in entertainment, and thats the end of that, you can't argue it. What are your views on Tommy Wiseau's The Room? Or Uwe Boll's video game film adaptations? Or the Postal video game series? Or Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing? |
wrenchbread said: rederoin said: Repeating it does not make any less true. We are not on tumblr. Objective quality does not exist in entertainment, and thats the end of that, you can't argue it. What are your views on Tommy Wiseau's The Room? Or Uwe Boll's video game film adaptations? Or the Postal video game series? Or Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing? I've enjoyed them all actually, except for Uwe Boll's films which I doubt I've seen any of those, I might be wrong, Over The Road Racing was a lot of fun, and The Room itself was quite funny too. But wait, you're saying that all of these are bad... Does that mean you're implying Postal was bad? |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Moonchipz said: rederoin said: Why make a thread about it if you're going to get upset over opinions? Do you know how childish that makes you sound?We find your need to post your opinions in every single thread to be annoying. Deal with it. Also, this is like, the second LN announcement thread I've posted in, so don't lump me in with everyone else. If something catches our attention and we feel the need to post about it, we will. We're not going to abstain from posting because it might hurt the little kiddy's feelings. They same can be sad about your opinion, is it so hard for you to deal with people having opinions on your opinion? If anybody is childish, its you. For fucks sake, I don't even have any interest in this show. |
| Man, I hate anime based in harem LNs, but...these people always complaing about one being animated are way more annoying. TheNaturalPerm said: Kabuto90 said: Kudos to everyone that's not judging something as shit before it even airs. Getting on topic this doesn't seem too bad. Will definitely check it out. you can judge 98/100 anime by synopsis, cover and genres alone. anime rarely ever conceals its target audience. that's the kind of medium it is if they want to market their show to creepy otaku, the synopsis/cover will inform you of that And that's good, because you can just read it, think: "meh", and move on with your life ignoring it. Instead, people stop in every place they can to complain because that exists now. |
| The story seems to a be about revenge, and genre has Action, Harem, Supernatural. This looks good to me. |
| Absolutely can't wait! |
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kuuderes_shadow said: Sometimes I wonder just how sad someone's life would have to be for them to spend hours of every day spewing hate and insults at something just because it doesn't suit their personal preferences. Some of them are not people, they are AIs made by me and my friends. |
Moonchipz said: rederoin said: Why make a thread about it if you're going to get upset over opinions? Do you know how childish that makes you sound?We find your need to post your opinions in every single thread to be annoying. Deal with it. Also, this is like, the second LN announcement thread I've posted in, so don't lump me in with everyone else. If something catches our attention and we feel the need to post about it, we will. We're not going to abstain from posting because it might hurt the little kiddy's feelings. I hate to barge in but I found your statement hilarious. I wonder who's more childish. You aren't even making anything specific about the LN, just some vague answer why you hate "shit" LNs. Stop acting like a toddler having a tantrum. Anyways... I wonder if this anime would do the LN any good. Read a couple chapters from the manga version. Its interesting at the start with the introduction and setting but the characters felt bland and cliche. I will definite watch the first 2-3 episodes. |
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| another generic LN getting adapted while tons of great manga accumulate dust. |
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Sourire said: another generic LN getting adapted while tons of great manga accumulate dust. Waiting on that Oyasumi Punpun adaptation.  |
Immahnoob said: Wait what? Whatever I read now is getting an adaptation? I should start reading a lot more then. Pretty much how I feel. The days I actually look at the news it's like, "Oh, I'm reading this too." Normally I'd be happy something I'm reading is getting an adaptation, but I've been a bit disappointed with them lately. These mixed feelings... |
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