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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- So is he arrested for accidentally killing Nanako? Ending was alright but I was like o.O |
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| That's my question too. |
| Trepanation is illegal and even if he didn't meant to kill her, he's still responsible for her death. Also one second before getting arrested he was about to open Ito's cranium. He was crazy and it's better this way. |
| Yeah, he must've killed her by accident and surely he was out of his mind at this point. Kinda sad way to end, Mr.Nakoshi. |
 "Only the dead have seen the end of war". ~Plato~ |
| What an ending, those last few chapters were really mind-bending. One of the best manga I've ever read! |
| WOW this manga has been crazy and it finally made sense but I still am unsure of what the heck happened in the end. It wouldnt make sense for it to have taken a full year for police to find him if Nanako had died from the trepenation since he was in the spot hes normally gone to before. He did kinda rape that one girl though, remember that? Maybe thats it? Or perhaps the police were just there by chance or because he was labeled as a missing person? |
| Even though the girl got raped, I don't think she'd report it to the police because I think she found her 'true' self. The ending was quite trippy. I feel really sorry for Nanako. I guess she did die. :/ I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason why he got arrested. I'm glad Ito didn't get the drill. Who knows what would have happened? It is his fault though that Nakoshi became nuts. I thoroughly enjoyed reading this manga. It gripped me from beginning to end. :D |
| HEY! |
| But still it doesnt make sense for the police to take a full year to find him when he was in his usual spot. No way police can be that bad there can they? Only way that would make sense is if the reason it took so long to find him is because he had lived homeless for a while and didnt know much people. Or alternatively she coulda died from a slow bleeding hemorrhage that took time. Or like Araya said it coulda been just arrest for trepenation essentially a medical procedure without a liscense and she might not have died. If it was the cops coming to him for murder or anything at all it makes no sense Ito would be there first as if he came with them and they sent him over because they would never send him (or should i say her?) over first for an arrest right?. Its very interesting how Nakoshi seemed to be at peace with the people around him but still felt alone and burdened :( he became the savior of the world but no one would save him from himself because no one wanted to see deeper than the surface. Wish a bonus volume or chapter would be added on to fill in the missing information of what happened and why he kept adding more and more holes to his head even though he didnt really need them since he could already see that the homunculus were just people like him shallow and wallowing in their problems and just needed simple advice and comfort to cure them :( |
| Damn, I knew something was going to happen when she saw him with that Oni face.. overall awesome stuff, but I can't help disliking the end |
| Ito led the police to him right? Crazy and sad ending. |
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| Heh, that was some brilliant and crazy shit right there. Pretty memorable ending. |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
| I think he didn't just kill Nanako. He may have tried the trepanation on other girls/people that he met, maybe once he start to know them. Being friends or something. And cuz he did it unsafe, resulting in killing them. Within one year period. He may have been searching for people to "look at himself" in the one year time. That's why he has the drilling machine with him in the car. He has it all the time. And the police having hard time to arrest him perhaps because he is living a nomadic life in his car? Well, just my wild interpretation based on the reasoning that the police is there to arrest him. The police may have not been there to arrest him. traed said: He did kinda rape that one girl though, remember that? Maybe thats it? Or perhaps the police were just there by chance or because he was labeled as a missing person? I didn't remember that rape scene. Was it with that sand girl? I doubt it's just a missing person case. Who would want to find him, filing a report on missing person? Ito? Then why would he (she) came seeing him first? And I doubt Nanako survived. If she survived, maybe in a vegetative state. Who the hell having sex after drilling a hole in their head? More blood flow during sex, brain got less plus the blood loss, thus leading to coma right? Anyhow, this manga is not like any other manga I have read. Kudos to the mangaka. |
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| Original and daring. Yet the ending lacked impact. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| This series has given me a lot to think about. The plethora of Utena-esque symbolism throughout was intriguing and exciting, albeit a bit hard to follow at some points. Even though it seemed to be more like a character study, the story was gripping enough to keep me involved; I finished it rather quickly for the number of volumes. Nakoshi is one of the most interesting, eccentric characters ever put together in manga. Although it did rely a lot on its outlandish content to drive the series, there was much more thought put into it than most would believe. I wouldn't call it pretentious. As for the ending, it did hit me hard with confusion. I wouldn't say I'm disappointed, I can easily accept that as a resolution, but it did lack emotional appeal (most of the series for that matter) and left me wanting more. I think the relationship between Nakoshi and Manabu sort of withered away by the end, which left me with disappointment. Ugh, so much to say.. so much to think about.. Now it's time to wonder how to rate this. |
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| Never would have thought it at the beginning, but Manabu was the most sympathetic of this cast of characters. What a dichotomous ending. traed said: Wish a bonus volume or chapter would be added on to fill in the missing information of what happened and why he kept adding more and more holes to his head even though he didnt really need them since he could already see that the homunculus were just people like him shallow and wallowing in their problems and just needed simple advice and comfort to cure them :( Probably the same thing happened with the 2nd hole as with the first. Filled with pus and scar tissue and Nakoshi's own delusion that only "real" and "more" holes will allow him to see the homunculi. At least Nakoshi found happiness :'( |
| Great ending! |
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| I don't even know how to comment on this.. |
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| Just finished reading yesterday. Wow, I haven't read such good manga... ever. I do not completely agree with bump809, I think he sees himself everywhere because he finally realizes that he's not that different from any other person and that there is no reason for him to hide behind lies anymore. So I don't think he loves himself over anyone, he's just seeing the reflections of his success which is to finally accept himself a he is. The main problem is that he's stuck into that fulfillment emotion because of the trepanation and he wants to share his success by drilling a hole in other's head... About the arrest: Besides the fact that he might have killed Nanako, for any external observer, he has lost his mind. I think that is the main reasons Ito apologizes at the end, he was the one who drilled that hole in the first place. |
| Das Feenreich! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvxzKt5GoM |
| What i believe is that by the end he could easily see the heart for everyone around him but he still couldnt look at his own heart. That made him subconsiously projecting his face in every human being(trying to see himself. But he couldny see his true self so he searched for someone that can see his real self, propably even doing trepanation to random people. Thats what i believe. What do you think? |
| Never ending nightmare! |
| Also i forgot to mention that he started to change at the scene with nanako at the car. When she noticed that his face changed to a demon. At that moment he became self centered only trying to find himself |
| Never ending nightmare! |
| Ending threw me for a loop o_O I was surprised it ended that way but then again can't really think of anything more fitting. The world is pretty harsh and in the end he understood how he was projecting himself onto everyone else and came to terms with himself sort of. I don't know, I guess I just wanted him to get the happy ending? Bittersweet, just like every other resolution in the story. |
| This is one of those kind of endings that left me speechless.. |
My DeviantArt and Pixiv and still waiting patiently for a 3rd season of Spice & Wolf :'| |
| Probably the strangest but most beautifully unique manga I've ever read. |
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| aw, figured the ending would be tragic. i took note of the documents at the beginning (possibly before the procedure) in manabu's office while nakoshi was snooping, where everyone who had undergone the procedure ended up committing suicide or in a mental hospital. i can understand or put the pieces together as to why he was arrested by the end. although what i am confused about is why he saw everything he saw from the sex scene and beyond. was the desperation of looking for himself manifesting in his hallucinations to where everyone had his face? but if that were the case, then wouldn't they all had to of been *just* hallucinations and a figment of imagination from the beginning? i don't think that could be the case as there are plenty of segments that suggest what he was seeing was definitely "real" (like knowing information about people that he couldn't have known). then there was a point during the sex scene where they both appeared as nanako which i also don't get. though i guess by the point of the sex scene it was already confirmed that he was crazy by even operating on nanako by himself in the first place, so maybe that can all be explained as surrealism |
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traed said: But still it doesnt make sense for the police to take a full year to find him when he was in his usual spot. No way police can be that bad there can they? Only way that would make sense is if the reason it took so long to find him is because he had lived homeless for a while and didnt know much people. Or alternatively she coulda died from a slow bleeding hemorrhage that took time. Or like Araya said it coulda been just arrest for trepenation essentially a medical procedure without a liscense and she might not have died. If it was the cops coming to him for murder or anything at all it makes no sense Ito would be there first as if he came with them and they sent him over because they would never send him (or should i say her?) over first for an arrest right?. Its very interesting how Nakoshi seemed to be at peace with the people around him but still felt alone and burdened :( he became the savior of the world but no one would save him from himself because no one wanted to see deeper than the surface. Wish a bonus volume or chapter would be added on to fill in the missing information of what happened and why he kept adding more and more holes to his head even though he didnt really need them since he could already see that the homunculus were just people like him shallow and wallowing in their problems and just needed simple advice and comfort to cure them :( But that wasn't his normal place they find him at. The place he is found is on some beach whereas his "place" was a purely concrete shipping port in Tokyo. After he leaves the hotel at the end he realizes that there was no reason for him to stay there and moves on. Also, Nanako died. When she climaxed she developed a large Subdural Hematoma that quickly ended her life. When Ito found out that Nanako had died after trepanation he and the cops went about trying to find Nakoshi. Someone without money and nowhere to go can be quite hard to find, thus it taking a year to find him. It's pretty clear by the end though that Nakoshi had gone insane. |
| The art was incredible. |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| Nakoshi had reached peak happiness and self-realization through the enlightenment he got from trepanation at the cost of his sanity... The Homunculi stopped looking like monsters and started to look exactly like himself when he finally accepted the idea of the phenomenon being delusions he himself had projected onto others which made it a lot easier for him to understand but it looks like he'd gone completely nuts because of that. He should've rung Manabu up when he drilled that hole into Nanako since the complications from the operation and the vigorous sex they had afterwards might've been the reason why he got arrested at the end. As hard as it is to turn in a friend, Itou did what he had to do for Nakoshi who's gone far beyond the deep end. This was a great read that didn't take me long at all to go through but damn, that ending was kind of a downer. I would've liked more stories of him doing Homunculi Analysis too~ |
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