| To explain: deg said: China bans pornography because the government considers it "spiritual pollution" that harms individuals and society, damaging physical and mental health, corrupting social morals, and undermining traditional Chinese cultural values. The ban aligns with broader Chinese censorship efforts aimed at controlling content that is seen as detrimental to national unity, social order, and traditional ethics. This is true, but "spiritual" as used here does not have anything to do with religion; it's more like "corrupting the minds of the people." Back when China was actually a communist country, some of the country's leaders got this idea that anything "Western," "bourgeoisie," and "indulgent" was "spiritual pollution" (精神污染). This would include obscenity, gambling, drugs, and so on, in addition to certain more liberal philosophies such as humanism. They thought that this spiritual pollution would undermine China's transition to a communist utopia: if the minds of the average people are polluted with capitalist ideas, how can we build a society where everyone lives in harmony? And, yes, this means that the notion of "spiritual pollution" is largely reactionary to Western progressive ideas at the time. However, the term "精神污染" was never really defined clearly, since both conservative and progressive politicians were campaigning against this supposed bad thing. This is why it often seem very conservative, even though China was both secular and radically left at the time. Nowadays, China is for all purposes not left-leaning or communist at all; it is instead rather conservative. So, "culture" and sexualization continue to be censored through this inherited notion of them being "bad for morals." It's really interesting how what normally would be called "puritanism" by MAL users arose in a secular country through reactionary, anti-capitalist sentiments alone. I suppose Confucianism and Taoism didn't help either, but traditional values have collapsed just about everywhere else in the world when actually put up against with progressive ideas. |
| "Kung Fu Liaoli Niang" and "Yao Jing Zhong Zhi Shou Ce" Never heard of those, they look somehow low budget. |
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Zarutaku said:
Right, although unrestricted freedom is an utopia, and women of my taste are unicorns, but what does that have to do with the topic? lol
Right, although unrestricted freedom is an utopia, and women of my taste are unicorns, but what does that have to do with the topic? lol
Your "the top unit that governs the lower ones" quote really makes me appreciate your sense of humor.
| @MalchikRepaid Seems I was unintentionally funny, a good thing, I guess. |
MalchikRepaid said: China also believes that ignorance among the population is much worse than censorship. I have trouble with making sense of this comparison, doesn't censorship promote ignorance? |
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To explain:
This is true, but "spiritual" as used here does not have anything to do with religion; it's more like "corrupting the minds of the people."
Back when China was actually a communist country, some of the country's leaders got this idea that anything "Western," "bourgeoisie," and "indulgent" was "spiritual pollution" (精神污染). This would include obscenity, gambling, drugs, and so on, in addition to certain more liberal philosophies such as humanism. They thought that this spiritual pollution would undermine China's transition to a communist utopia: if the minds of the average people are polluted with capitalist ideas, how can we build a society where everyone lives in harmony? And, yes, this means that the notion of "spiritual pollution" is largely reactionary to Western progressive ideas at the time.
However, the term "精神污染" was never really defined clearly, since both conservative and progressive politicians were campaigning against this supposed bad thing. This is why it often seem very conservative, even though China was both secular and radically left at the time.
Nowadays, China is for all purposes not left-leaning or communist at all; it is instead rather conservative. So, "culture" and sexualization continue to be censored through this inherited notion of them being "bad for morals."
It's really interesting how what normally would be called "puritanism" by MAL users arose in a secular country through reactionary, anti-capitalist sentiments alone. I suppose Confucianism and Taoism didn't help either, but traditional values have collapsed just about everywhere else in the world when actually put up against with progressive ideas.
deg said:
China bans pornography because the government considers it "spiritual pollution" that harms individuals and society, damaging physical and mental health, corrupting social morals, and undermining traditional Chinese cultural values. The ban aligns with broader Chinese censorship efforts aimed at controlling content that is seen as detrimental to national unity, social order, and traditional ethics.
China bans pornography because the government considers it "spiritual pollution" that harms individuals and society, damaging physical and mental health, corrupting social morals, and undermining traditional Chinese cultural values. The ban aligns with broader Chinese censorship efforts aimed at controlling content that is seen as detrimental to national unity, social order, and traditional ethics.
This is true, but "spiritual" as used here does not have anything to do with religion; it's more like "corrupting the minds of the people."
Back when China was actually a communist country, some of the country's leaders got this idea that anything "Western," "bourgeoisie," and "indulgent" was "spiritual pollution" (精神污染). This would include obscenity, gambling, drugs, and so on, in addition to certain more liberal philosophies such as humanism. They thought that this spiritual pollution would undermine China's transition to a communist utopia: if the minds of the average people are polluted with capitalist ideas, how can we build a society where everyone lives in harmony? And, yes, this means that the notion of "spiritual pollution" is largely reactionary to Western progressive ideas at the time.
However, the term "精神污染" was never really defined clearly, since both conservative and progressive politicians were campaigning against this supposed bad thing. This is why it often seem very conservative, even though China was both secular and radically left at the time.
Nowadays, China is for all purposes not left-leaning or communist at all; it is instead rather conservative. So, "culture" and sexualization continue to be censored through this inherited notion of them being "bad for morals."
It's really interesting how what normally would be called "puritanism" by MAL users arose in a secular country through reactionary, anti-capitalist sentiments alone. I suppose Confucianism and Taoism didn't help either, but traditional values have collapsed just about everywhere else in the world when actually put up against with progressive ideas.
| @detarameMAL Nothing weird. Puritanism was using some old tale written in the desert, when people shouldn't spend energy into what wouldn't keep them alive or carefully multiply, because food and water was hard to go by. Any culture planning on saving resources would promote it. Can people do debauchery and fun and do 996? I suppose you don't remember Confucianism is about stripping religion out of its magic and picking the practices that make sense. |
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Zarutaku said:
I can't make sense of this comparison, because censorship promotes ignorance.
I can't make sense of this comparison, because censorship promotes ignorance.
Censorship will make people gradually more curious, so censorship is the direct opposite of ignorance in so many instances.
Censorship in China is more like "be careful with this particular kind of knowledge", not "you don't need to know about it".
| @MalchikRepaid Seems reasonable, but does that mean people in China are curious about the censored stuff, and does the government want them to be? |
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Zarutaku said:
@MalchikRepaid Seems reasonable, but does that mean people in China are curious about the censored stuff, and does the government want them to be?
@MalchikRepaid Seems reasonable, but does that mean people in China are curious about the censored stuff, and does the government want them to be?
It's more like "you know it, but don't talk about it in private or public spaces, time will tell that it will be reconciled eventually, but always oppose propaganda from Western countries and pro-American countries in Asia because these countries just want China to become weak again as they're using human rights and democracy as piss poor excuses".
MalchikRepaid said: always oppose propaganda from Western countries and pro-American countries in Asia because these countries just want China to be weak again That's the first time I heard about this accusation, sounds like propaganda itself, to be fair. |
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Zarutaku said:
That's the first time I heard about this accusation, sounds like propaganda itself, to be fair.
That's the first time I heard about this accusation, sounds like propaganda itself, to be fair.
As a person with a Chinese heritage, I sense this all the time. If that's worse, wait until you read this. I don't talk to South Korean men because they often say in public "let's kill Chinese people" or "the only good Chinese is dead Chinese" in Korean.
MalchikRepaid said: I don't talk to South Korean men because they often say in public "let's kill Chinese people" or "the only good Chinese is dead Chinese" in Korean. Sounds extreme, they probably do that because the Chinese government supports their northern archenemy. |
| I know for a lot of people here the whole notion of culture is basically limited to (child) porn. But that's a you problem, not a china problem |
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