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Aug 15, 2023 3:39 PM
#51
I have never seen any whites that look like anime characters. |
Aug 15, 2023 4:01 PM
#52
iloathesasuke said: My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. Why? I'm asking a question and i'm being polite. I didn't mean to imply that people can be categorized in races but you have to agree that different ethnicities have distinctive physical features. If you find this question racist you are indeed a fascist (even tho i feel like you don't really understand the concepts behind this word). |
Aug 15, 2023 4:19 PM
#53
iloathesasuke said: Rocknblock said: I don't know man it's weird. I have no doubt your initial purpose is far from racism, but the end result sound racist. iloathesasuke said: My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. Why? I'm asking a question and i'm being polite. I didn't mean to imply that people can be categorized in races but you have to agree that different ethnicities have distinctive physical features. If you find this question racist you are indeed a fascist (even tho i feel like you don't really understand the concepts behind this word). Oh hell with it, I don't know the answer to your question. But I do understand the concepts behind fascist, don't be a fascism gatekeeper please. It's annoying. What is a "fascism gatekeeper" tho? Also you're the only one finding this thread racist amongst all the polite and intelligent answers i got. |
Aug 15, 2023 4:19 PM
#54
iloathesasuke said: Same. Im the most political incorrect man I know of, but this thread sounds like some annoying racial supremacism bull, quite surprised this thread hasnt been taken down at this point. guy needs to be more self aware of the the stuff he writes.My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. |
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Aug 15, 2023 4:23 PM
#55
MichaelJackson said: iloathesasuke said: Same. Im the most political incorrect man I know of, but this thread sounds like some annoying racial supremacism bull, quite surprised this thread hasnt been taken down at this point. guy needs to be more self aware of the the stuff his writes.My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. Wtf? This thread is absolutely not racist. I was just curious as to why anime characters that are supposed to be japanese possess some european physical features. You need to stop being so butthurt and this thread is conform to MAL rules. |
Aug 15, 2023 4:33 PM
#56
iloathesasuke said: Rocknblock said: Deciding who knows what about fascism. Do you know what gatekeeping means?iloathesasuke said: Rocknblock said: I don't know man it's weird. I have no doubt your initial purpose is far from racism, but the end result sound racist. iloathesasuke said: My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. Why? I'm asking a question and i'm being polite. I didn't mean to imply that people can be categorized in races but you have to agree that different ethnicities have distinctive physical features. If you find this question racist you are indeed a fascist (even tho i feel like you don't really understand the concepts behind this word). Oh hell with it, I don't know the answer to your question. But I do understand the concepts behind fascist, don't be a fascism gatekeeper please. It's annoying. What is a "fascism gatekeeper" tho? Also you're the only one finding this thread racist amongst all the polite and intelligent answers i got. Actually I'm not the only one. Read well. Look I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything and my answers are polite too. That's just what it looks like to me. Well you may need to think twice before calling someone a racist because i do not condone these ideologies and felt very insulted. Also, you and that MichealJackson guy above might want to actually read the other replies and get a f*ck*ng clue before turning a peacefull discussion into a Twitter argument. |
Aug 15, 2023 4:38 PM
#57
tnrend said: I mean, things like blue hair and purple eyes aren't things that Europeans have either. Anime is made to be colourful because they can. Blonde hair is often reserved for Westerners to distinguish them, but there's still a fair number of blonde Japanese characters in anime.Because the only people with more than one kind of hair/eye colour are Europeans. Purple/blue hair are black haired cope. Basically anyone with non black hair. brown eyes is non Japanese but most have Japanese names. zombie_pegasus said: Yes bro the yellow haired anime girl with non brown eyes in your pfp is 100% Asian!The reason is because that's what you are. Japanese people are Japanese so they view the characters as Japanese, if you're white you'll generally view them as white. They're intentionally non-distinct because there's no real reason to put specific racial features on them. The small noses are actually one Asian facial feature anime characters have that white people generally don't, but people are happy to overlook that. |
Aug 15, 2023 4:48 PM
#58
Rocknblock said: You can ask why all ancient religions or cultures worshipped or depicted gods and figures that had blue eyes or pale skin from the Sumerians to Buddha and even the Pre Aztec people, and also the white elite found in basically all civilisations in various continents such as Africa/Asia. Most of the world was basically groups of cargo cults after these rulers disappeared long after they were mummified. Whites existed before Europe was settled, and their influence had still remained after thousands of years, with some renewal thanks to them being the only ones who could sail the entire world (see opening up Japan)iloathesasuke said: My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. Why? I'm asking a question and i'm being polite. I didn't mean to imply that people can be categorized in races but you have to agree that different ethnicities have distinctive physical features. If you find this question racist you are indeed a fascist (even tho i feel like you don't really understand the concepts behind this word). Anime to some extent is a continuation of that, with the addition of escapism (le isekai elf woman) and some form of self delusion given the way Japanese see themselves as superior in terms of Asiatics. Case in point the amount of people (including Japanese) unironically saying the Japanese see themselves when they see anime characters. The moeblob in most instances is vastly more adherent to caucasian sensibilities than any asiatic unless they are coded otherwise (black long straight bangs etc) and it is taken for granted that they are not using hair dyes or contact lenses unless it is clarified. |
Aug 15, 2023 4:48 PM
#59
iloathesasuke said: Rocknblock said: Lol calm down dude. I didn't call you racist. The statement sounds racist. And I specifically said that I had no doubt your initial purpose was far from racism.iloathesasuke said: Rocknblock said: Deciding who knows what about fascism. Do you know what gatekeeping means?iloathesasuke said: Rocknblock said: I don't know man it's weird. I have no doubt your initial purpose is far from racism, but the end result sound racist. iloathesasuke said: My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. Why? I'm asking a question and i'm being polite. I didn't mean to imply that people can be categorized in races but you have to agree that different ethnicities have distinctive physical features. If you find this question racist you are indeed a fascist (even tho i feel like you don't really understand the concepts behind this word). Oh hell with it, I don't know the answer to your question. But I do understand the concepts behind fascist, don't be a fascism gatekeeper please. It's annoying. What is a "fascism gatekeeper" tho? Also you're the only one finding this thread racist amongst all the polite and intelligent answers i got. Actually I'm not the only one. Read well. Look I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything and my answers are polite too. That's just what it looks like to me. Well you may need to think twice before calling someone a racist because i do not condone these ideologies and felt very insulted. Also, you and that MichealJackson guy above might want to actually read the other replies and get a f*ck*ng clue before turning a peacefull discussion into a Twitter argument. Stop being a baby. Alright I made more than enough explanation to you. OK fair enough. iloathesasuke said: OK seems fair enough. Was mainly triggered by the other guy.Rocknblock said: Lol calm down dude. I didn't call you racist. The statement sounds racist. And I specifically said that I had no doubt your initial purpose was far from racism.iloathesasuke said: Rocknblock said: Deciding who knows what about fascism. Do you know what gatekeeping means?iloathesasuke said: Rocknblock said: I don't know man it's weird. I have no doubt your initial purpose is far from racism, but the end result sound racist. iloathesasuke said: My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. Why? I'm asking a question and i'm being polite. I didn't mean to imply that people can be categorized in races but you have to agree that different ethnicities have distinctive physical features. If you find this question racist you are indeed a fascist (even tho i feel like you don't really understand the concepts behind this word). Oh hell with it, I don't know the answer to your question. But I do understand the concepts behind fascist, don't be a fascism gatekeeper please. It's annoying. What is a "fascism gatekeeper" tho? Also you're the only one finding this thread racist amongst all the polite and intelligent answers i got. Actually I'm not the only one. Read well. Look I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything and my answers are polite too. That's just what it looks like to me. Well you may need to think twice before calling someone a racist because i do not condone these ideologies and felt very insulted. Also, you and that MichealJackson guy above might want to actually read the other replies and get a f*ck*ng clue before turning a peacefull discussion into a Twitter argument. Stop being a baby. Alright I made more than enough explanation to you. |
Aug 15, 2023 4:49 PM
#60
zombie_pegasus said: Purple and blue have been used as stylistic interpretations for black. And ironically people with purple eyes exist (despite how rare it is) and they are very much white.tnrend said: I mean, things like blue hair and purple eyes aren't things that Europeans have either. Anime is made to be colourful because they can. Blonde hair is often reserved for Westerners to distinguish them, but there's still a fair number of blonde Japanese characters in anime.Because the only people with more than one kind of hair/eye colour are Europeans. Purple/blue hair are black haired cope. Basically anyone with non black hair. brown eyes is non Japanese but most have Japanese names. zombie_pegasus said: The reason is because that's what you are. Japanese people are Japanese so they view the characters as Japanese, if you're white you'll generally view them as white. They're intentionally non-distinct because there's no real reason to put specific racial features on them. The small noses are actually one Asian facial feature anime characters have that white people generally don't, but people are happy to overlook that. Blonde Japanese is an oxymoron. You can go to Japan and ask them about "blond Japanese" lol. |
removed-userAug 15, 2023 4:54 PM
Aug 15, 2023 4:54 PM
#61
Rocknblock said: I have been watching anime for severall years but i never understood why anime characters look like they are of western ethnicity and not asian. Like, pretty much all of the highschoolers in anime have the looks of europeans students. What makes it even stranger to me is that anime is mainly targetting japanese teenagers so wouldn't this make it harder for them to relate to the characters? Genuinely curious about it. Your eyes must be blind since their physical features are most likely asiatisch and Japonais. Better go watching cartoons or do something else. |
SgtBateManAug 15, 2023 4:57 PM
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Aug 15, 2023 4:57 PM
#62
SgtBateMan said: Not so much because there are very few anime where the characters designs feel asians and more specifically japanese.Your eyes must be blind since their features are most likely asiatisch and Japonais. Better go watching cartoons or do something else. |
Aug 15, 2023 4:59 PM
#63
Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Not so much because there are very few anime where the characters designs feel asians and more specifically japanese.Your eyes must be blind since their features are most likely asiatisch and Japonais. Better go watching cartoons or do something else. Well, it's not my problem that your standards are all in black. |
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Aug 15, 2023 5:01 PM
#64
SgtBateMan said: Could you please elaborate? I feel like i didn't understand what you meant by that.Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Your eyes must be blind since their features are most likely asiatisch and Japonais. Better go watching cartoons or do something else. Well, it's not my problem that your standards are all in black. |
Aug 15, 2023 5:03 PM
#65
Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Could you please elaborate? I feel like i didn't understand what you meant by that.Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Not so much because there are very few anime where the characters designs feel asians and more specifically japanese.Your eyes must be blind since their features are most likely asiatisch and Japonais. Better go watching cartoons or do something else. Well, it's not my problem that your standards are all in black. Geez.........................black hair, dark eye colours. Then physical features are slim face, slim, small skull frame, et cetera. It's not because they look colourful that they appear Western-like. |
SgtBateManAug 15, 2023 5:06 PM
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Aug 15, 2023 5:06 PM
#66
SgtBateMan said: Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Not so much because there are very few anime where the characters designs feel asians and more specifically japanese.Your eyes must be blind since their features are most likely asiatisch and Japonais. Better go watching cartoons or do something else. Well, it's not my problem that your standards are all in black. Geez.........................Hair, eye colours. Then physical features are slim face, slim, et cetera. I do not think these are my "standards" unfortunately. I you are not convinced you can see my favourite anime characters and count how many have dark hairs and eyes. |
Aug 15, 2023 5:07 PM
#67
iloathesasuke said: My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. MichaelJackson said: Most "politically incorrect" and "fascistic" Americans. By this metric America must be a utopic dream for Antifascists and political correctness.iloathesasuke said: Same. Im the most political incorrect man I know of, but this thread sounds like some annoying racial supremacism bull, quite surprised this thread hasnt been taken down at this point. guy needs to be more self aware of the the stuff he writes.My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. |
removed-userAug 15, 2023 5:27 PM
Aug 15, 2023 5:10 PM
#68
Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Could you please elaborate? I feel like i didn't understand what you meant by that.Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Not so much because there are very few anime where the characters designs feel asians and more specifically japanese.Your eyes must be blind since their features are most likely asiatisch and Japonais. Better go watching cartoons or do something else. Well, it's not my problem that your standards are all in black. Geez.........................Hair, eye colours. Then physical features are slim face, slim, et cetera. I do not think these are my "standards" unfortunately. I you are not convinced you can see my favourite anime characters and count how many have dark hairs and eyes. It's still absurd when one claims that cartoons drawn by Nihonjin are Western-like, even remotely. |
SgtBateManAug 15, 2023 5:16 PM
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Aug 15, 2023 5:11 PM
#69
tnrend said: iloathesasuke said: My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. MichaelJackson said: Least "politically incorrect" and "fascistic" Americans. By this metric America must be a utopic dream for Antifascists and political correctness.iloathesasuke said: My gawd. I'm a fascist prick but I find this statement racist af. I agree but please there is no need to turn this interesting discussion into a debate about political correctness and fascim. |
Aug 15, 2023 6:02 PM
#70
Uhhh they don't look European to me?? They don't look Japanese either most of the time. Define "looking European". If you mean because they have big and colorful eyes, blonde hair or anything other than dark brown or black, I think it's because that's what they perceive as cool/beautiful. European characters are drawn a bit differently, such as pointier nose, taller, lighter skin, blue eyes and many more. About relating to the characters, I think they tend to relate to the characteristic more and not the look. I'm no Japanese but at least that's how I feel. |
Aug 15, 2023 6:07 PM
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Memore said: The same goes for black people. yes they also look similar to me. Because Asians are very similar to each other and it is hard to distinguish them. |
Aug 15, 2023 6:08 PM
#72
with the exception of shows where they explicity say this guy is from europe like Jojo, Vinland Saga, even AOT with lots of germanic feeling. I never got the feeling really. The guys usually have jet black hair, or brown, blue. |
Aug 15, 2023 7:20 PM
#73
Eh it's the opposite for me, all of them look asian even characters from shows explicitly stated to be non japanese like Vinland saga. The only exception is if they are black or are ultra buffed up. Rocknblock said: But they do....I'd say even Sado looks asian.Okay i get that but you can't tell me that Ichigo or Asuna look like asian teenagers even though they are supposed to be Japanese. |
Aug 15, 2023 7:55 PM
#74
It's probably color theory. Bright colors contrast better with light tones. This doesn't mean medium tones or dark tones can't achieve great contrast, but I would argue that light tone is the best to work with for artists. |
Aug 15, 2023 8:18 PM
#75
icefirestone23 said: So when watching an anime do you consider a baseball to not be one unless they explicitly state it? And yeah the mc for some anime have black hair and are coded as Japanese. The scenario then becomes an intended self insert or power fantasy story, especially when the love interest is clearly not coded to be Japanese (Case in point every isekai ever)with the exception of shows where they explicity say this guy is from europe like Jojo, Vinland Saga, even AOT with lots of germanic feeling. I never got the feeling really. The guys usually have jet black hair, or brown, blue. karrotStick said: How are you even able to watch anime (a visual medium) if your visual literacy is that fucked? I doubt you've ever seen an Asian in real life.Eh it's the opposite for me, all of them look asian even characters from shows explicitly stated to be non japanese like Vinland saga. The only exception is if they are black or are ultra buffed up. Rocknblock said: But they do....I'd say even Sado looks asian.Okay i get that but you can't tell me that Ichigo or Asuna look like asian teenagers even though they are supposed to be Japanese. |
Aug 15, 2023 9:15 PM
#76
Rocknblock said: I didn't mean to come off as aggressive, I didn't mean any insults. I am just actually a bit concerned that you might be watching too much anime and are starting to lose touch, like seriously it's a problem that happens to people, it would happen to me if I am not careful. I haven't watched bleach dude but I have no idea what you are talking about, don't the dude got orange hair?Jank_ram said: No they generally don't look like real people like at all, if you think they do then you probably need to touch grass I think, also what about them is western? Colorful hair? Big eyes? Well those are universally seen as generally more beautiful even by asains it's not like people like those who look like themselves. No need to resort to insults. You can read this thread and see that it stayed civil and polite until your answer. As for why i think they look like westerners, a lot of them do have objectively non japanese features (not talking about blue hairs or horns). You can't watch Bleach and tell me that Ichigo, Orihime or Yoruichi (well she is a cat but still) for exemple look like the average japanese. I'm not talking about anime that are explicitely not set in our world (naruto, bleach) or where it makes sense that people come from varied countries (Black Lagoon). |
Aug 15, 2023 9:27 PM
#77
Yuu_Kanzaki said: Memore said: The same goes for black people. yes they also look similar to me. Because Asians are very similar to each other and it is hard to distinguish them. In anime you can change color of eyes and hair. |
Aug 15, 2023 11:24 PM
#78
They just happen to look European/American. It's just an artistic choice to make every character look unique. Imagine if every character had black hair and brown eyes. |
BijunAug 15, 2023 11:36 PM
Aug 16, 2023 12:22 AM
#79
icefirestone23 said: They straight up look asian Small nose, slender features, child features. Why do many anime characters look like this Sabine Wren and not like Agent Kallus. Asian https://www.google.com/search?q=sabine+wren&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiE2b3Rt9-AAxXMA1kFHYnPATIQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=sabine+wren&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDFAAWABgAGgAcAB4AIABAIgBAJIBAJgBAKoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1n&sclient=img&ei=ytbbZITMDsyH5NoPiZ-HkAM&bih=1001&biw=1920&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA707CA707 vs white https://www.google.com/search?q=agent+kallus&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwic1f2ot9-AAxV2CFkFHR_DDl0Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=agent+kallus&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIHCAAQigUQQzIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDoECCMQJzoICAAQgAQQsQM6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgQIABADUPApWMc1YMU2aABwAHgAgAGAAYgBugiSAQQxMS4ymAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=ddbbZNzGEvaQ5NoPn4a76AU&bih=1001&biw=1920&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA707CA707#imgrc=OUr4NXLT1Uln5M feel the difference. Also it is easy for an asian girl to die her hair blond and look like asuna than a white girl would. Anyone in a cosplay convention can confirm. Not to mention whites are more likely to be overweight. There is a reason why so many crave the east asian look Agreed that cosplay make it pretty clear manga characters were made closer to the japanese look, japanese cosplayer almost always look like the character more than gaijin cosplayers unless this ones are really pro at costume and playing part of being the character during cosplay which is very rare. Its obvious then that this character were made with japanese traits in mind most of the time yes. That said overweightness exist in Japan, isnt that rare and is becoming more and more common with modern food its not just a western struggle and cosplay is for fun people can be every skin color and weight doing it as long as they love doing it. |
Aug 16, 2023 12:26 AM
#80
Rocknblock said: SkyfallStar said: I am myself french so i wish it would be the case.Japanese stole the anime eye style from the French. Didnt you notice so many of us french as naturally red, violet or pink eyes? Lol. No i'm with you on that i dont think french drawing style inspire drawing of japanese manga all that much (unless maybe stuff like the shojo manga character dress based often on ancient french history inspiration maybe i dont see any obvious french inspiration in manga drawing unless it escape me) |
Aug 16, 2023 12:31 AM
#81
VexingCurses said: I’ve thought about this a lot and I’ve decided that it’s partially to create visual diversity and for each character to have their own distinct characteristics. As it’s been mentioned already: there isn’t much visual variety in everyone having black hair and brown eyes. Sure, people having blonde or blue hair and red or blue eyes isn’t characteristic of Japanese culture, but you’re literally watching a cartoon so it’s gets a pass from me. I’ll suspend my disbelief because…. Cartoons. Some animes has its characters go as far as to explain that their hair has been dyed or that they wear contacts. It’s pretty interesting. Also i've heard of redhaired and blondes people visiting some countryside village far from tokyo (which is more used to foreigners and tourists so they know about different looks from other part of the world like in every big town) during a holiday as tourists in Japan who met people pretty surprised that such natural hair colors really exist so probably blond and redhead characters with "orange" and "yellow" hair are probably less meant to look western than to be just as much of a fantasy as green, pink or blue hair initially in manga. Futhermore yes when gaijin including western characters are drawed in mangas as someone else already said they draw them with a specific look you end up recognizing if you watch enough anime, tall, blondes etc...which show that usually they intent to portray japanese characters with japanese physical traits, names and culture. |
removed-userAug 16, 2023 12:46 AM
Aug 16, 2023 12:33 AM
#82
Risa92 said: Rocknblock said: Risa92 said: It's not that deep. At least it's kinda true for the anime that aren't drawn in a more realistic way. It's called "Kindchenschema" and should appear cute due their big eyes. Is this a troll answer? This seems interesting but i can't tell if you are joking or not. Half-joking. Lot of anime characters should evoke the same emotions that looking at cute animals and babies / toddlers evoke in us. (That's why I'm so irritated when anime tries to draw cutesy characters "sexy", because I wouldn't want to see a sexy kitten either lol.) I wouldn't say they are directly based on cats, but share very similar physical traits. Also Tezuka was a fan of the Disney style and they also drew their characters with big eyes. He took influence from this and influenced manga and anime history himself. You hate sexy nekomimi design then? Or just the weird idea of sexualizing actual cats? |
Aug 16, 2023 1:35 AM
#83
I understand what OP means, there's a clear difference in the character design of Akira to your standard show in 2023. But when you see Americans and Europeans portrayed in anime, they're usually pretty different than the standard designs as well, even if they are sometimes caricatures. |
Aug 16, 2023 1:48 AM
#84
They don't, they look like Japanese people, unrealistic if I may say since we're talking 2D character designs, but do resemble the real Japanese youth nonetheless. |
TheBerserkerAug 16, 2023 1:56 AM
Aug 16, 2023 1:55 AM
#85
princessoftrash said: Because Japanese people are obsessed with whiteness and tend to associate it with beauty and purity. Funnily enough, in Japan white supremacy actually exists and is quite widepsread, since a lot of people try to look as Caucasian as possible, not to mention extremely high popularity of western culture/history in general. Add also plastic surgery to the eyes |
Aug 16, 2023 2:00 AM
#86
Zettaiken said: but in reality I'd say the older audience likes it more or at least that's what I see through youtube/Pyrkon conventions That means nothing and changes nothing, it's still meant for kids/teens and they're the ones viewing it the most. Obviously nothing holds back older people from watching and discussing anime like I'm doing here lol |
Aug 16, 2023 2:13 AM
#87
Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Could you please elaborate? I feel like i didn't understand what you meant by that.Rocknblock said: SgtBateMan said: Not so much because there are very few anime where the characters designs feel asians and more specifically japanese.Your eyes must be blind since their features are most likely asiatisch and Japonais. Better go watching cartoons or do something else. Well, it's not my problem that your standards are all in black. Geez.........................Hair, eye colours. Then physical features are slim face, slim, et cetera. I do not think these are my "standards" unfortunately. I you are not convinced you can see my favourite anime characters and count how many have dark hairs and eyes. He means if they have colorful hair and eyes and such you'd think or assume (especially if you're from the west(people from the east would normally view literally all of them including actual white characters as Japanese, it's mutual lol)) they aren't Japanese but white (cause it's unnatural for Japanese people), they aren't, you can find such things among real Japanese people and it's quite common (through unnatural methods, obviously) and if Superman can shoot laser from his eyes for example, I don't see why Japanese fictional characters can't have unnatural hair colors anyways, even the west does it in some fantasy and sci-fi fiction, obviously it's more common in anime as both representing the Japanese youth and as an artistic choice. As for the lighter skins, well, Japanese are known for their lighter skin colors aren't they... EDIT: Another thing I forgot is that colors sometimes represents the diversity of characters and their personalities and characteristics. And it's an anime, anime is about colors, if you have everything in black you'd kill the fun of it. This are some reasons, but the main reason remains, it exists among Japanese youth. LAST EDIT: Last thing I want to say is that white characters in anime always have obvious different and distinct designs from the Japanese "colorful" ones. |
TheBerserkerAug 16, 2023 2:37 AM
Aug 16, 2023 2:28 AM
#88
tnrend said: So when watching an anime do you consider a baseball to not be one unless they explicitly state it? Baseball and people aren't the same thing to compare. |
Aug 16, 2023 6:50 AM
#89
Sylpheline said: Risa92 said: Rocknblock said: Risa92 said: It's not that deep. At least it's kinda true for the anime that aren't drawn in a more realistic way. It's called "Kindchenschema" and should appear cute due their big eyes. Is this a troll answer? This seems interesting but i can't tell if you are joking or not. Half-joking. Lot of anime characters should evoke the same emotions that looking at cute animals and babies / toddlers evoke in us. (That's why I'm so irritated when anime tries to draw cutesy characters "sexy", because I wouldn't want to see a sexy kitten either lol.) I wouldn't say they are directly based on cats, but share very similar physical traits. Also Tezuka was a fan of the Disney style and they also drew their characters with big eyes. He took influence from this and influenced manga and anime history himself. You hate sexy nekomimi design then? Or just the weird idea of sexualizing actual cats? Nah, I mean moe characters since they look child / kittenlike. |
Aug 16, 2023 7:10 AM
#90
tnrend said: I don't see how it matters whether I have seen, known or am an Asian. They based the anime style on themselves, so why wouldn't anime characters be more similar to Asians in well most aspects which includes physical appearances?How are you even able to watch anime (a visual medium) if your visual literacy is that fucked? I doubt you've ever seen an Asian in real life. |
Aug 16, 2023 10:49 AM
#91
TheBerserker said: They are since both of them are subjects of animation. The things depicted are not real but representations. It requires your own interpretation to determine because believe it or not the people and objects in a typical anime are not........... real. As such it is not incorrect to identify that some traits allow the interpretation that a character is European or is based on European aesthetics.tnrend said: So when watching an anime do you consider a baseball to not be one unless they explicitly state it? Baseball and people aren't the same thing to compare. karrotStick said: It matters because visual literacy relies on your lived in experience to determine what you are seeing on screen. Animation doesn't need to outright tell you someone with blue eyes is not Asian because your imagination can fill in the gaps. Similiar to how it doesn't need to tell you a sword is a sword, a suit is a suit, or a lion is a lion. tnrend said: I don't see how it matters whether I have seen, known or am an Asian. They based the anime style on themselves, so why wouldn't anime characters be more similar to Asians in well most aspects which includes physical appearances?How are you even able to watch anime (a visual medium) if your visual literacy is that fucked? I doubt you've ever seen an Asian in real life. |
Aug 16, 2023 1:36 PM
#92
tnrend said: That sounds like a you problem, I know nothing about you but maybe try and take a closer look around the world. Earlier someone in this thread mentioned how asian cosplayers look much closer to their anime counterpart than the western ones and not me but anyone who is into anime cosplay can verify that it is in fact true.It matters because visual literacy relies on your lived in experience to determine what you are seeing on screen. tnrend said: Yes you are correct with enough context one can figure out if the blue eyed girl is non asian or not. But the point here is that - the artstyle has its roots in Japan, they ARE meant to exaggerate the expressions of a typical Japanese person, not that of a westerner and yes that also means the art has distinct asian characteristics. Because of that any face with similar artstyle is easy to be mistaken as an asian origin character without proper context.Animation doesn't need to outright tell you someone with blue eyes is not Asian because your imagination can fill in the gaps. Similiar to how it doesn't need to tell you a sword is a sword, a suit is a suit, or a lion is a lion. Anime is a fictional world, having a rainbow coloured hair/eye doesn't really determine whether one is asian or not, it literally does not matter because having such a style means everyone looks the same, cute. You don't have room for another set of distinct expressiveness and characteristics because there already is one. It's like asking why does that super cool breed of cat look like a random street cat that every anime has. |
Aug 16, 2023 1:56 PM
#93
Honestly I don't think most anime art looks neither particularly caucasian nor asian. They usually don't have very distinctive properties, so people just fill in the blanks in their head. |
Aug 16, 2023 4:12 PM
#94
Do you think Europeans and Americans have red eyes and green hair? Lol It is to make characters stand out. If you look at their face shape and non protruding nose, they often indeed are Asian. Anime early on took influence from French animation and Disney so that also played a role in character design such as large eyes. |
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Aug 16, 2023 4:16 PM
#95
Rocknblock said: No European person looks like an anime character, that's just not a thing. They don't even look remotely human most of the time, let alone any specific ethnicity.I have been watching anime for severall years but i never understood why anime characters look like they are of western ethnicity and not asian. Like, pretty much all of the highschoolers in anime have the looks of europeans students. There are some good articles explaining this, and why you might think that. Basically, it's about the DEFAULT PERSON, and the OTHER. To an American, the "default person" is European, so cartoon characters will be assumed to be European unless you lay on cliches that specifically tell the audience they are not European. Take The Simpsons as an example, all of them have yellow skin, yet nobody ever wonders if they look "Asian" despite yellow skin being a cliche about Asian people. That's because The Simpsons doesn't lay on ALL the cliches about Asian people at the same time, so people just don't see it at all. --- Another example is that time feminist activist Adria Richards (who was also behind "donglegate") complained about a stick figure cartoon being sexist because it was "coded" as male. but ... it's a stick figure, it has no gender. In fact, it was an XKCD stick figure and the author has ALREADY coded them as female using the system he uses. So it was Adria Richards who brought the sexist assumption along with her, but she just couldn't see it. To make it clear you need to lay on stereotypes of female-ness really thick, so a skirt, stick-figure-boobs, red lipstick I guess. So, similar to asking "why do anime character look 'European' " you can ask "why do people assume stick figures are male?". In both cases, it's something they're bringing with them. Turning it around you can ask the relevant question of "Why DON'T The Simpsons look Asian to you?" --- In anime, "eyes" don't depict "race" they depict personality. Characters with big eyes are young, innocent, and naive. Older or wiser character have narrower eyes. Asians no more view a "big eyes" character as being American than you look at The Simpsons and see them as Asian for having yellow skin. --- Also, "Asians have narrow eyes" is a Western stereotype ABOUT Asian people, it's not a belief held by Asians. It's a belief about the "OTHER". The actual parallel belief in Asia is actually ... "Americans have big noses", and is NOT "Americans have big eyes". Americans are usually draw with small eyes. Similar to hov an Asian person might be depicted with squinty eyes, buck teeth, glasses and yellow skin, Americans in anime are identified by having big noses, blue eyes and blonde hair. But just like "yellow skin" didn't make you automatically think "Asian" in The Simpsons, ALL the traits are needed at the SAME TIME for a Japanese person to notice and say 'oh, i get it, that character isn't Japanese". |
cipheronAug 16, 2023 4:57 PM
Aug 16, 2023 4:30 PM
#96
Rocknblock said: It is partly just the fantasy aspect at play. That being said, Asuna's lighter hair brunette colour is not that unusual a hair colour for Japanese women and Ichigo is intentionally supposed to look like a Japanese deliquent, who dye their hair bright or abnormal colours.zombie_pegasus said: The reason is because that's what you are. Japanese people are Japanese so they view the characters as Japanese, if you're white you'll generally view them as white. They're intentionally non-distinct because there's no real reason to put specific racial features on them. The small noses are actually one Asian facial feature anime characters have that white people generally don't, but people are happy to overlook that. Okay i get that but you can't tell me that Ichigo or Asuna look like asian teenagers even though they are supposed to be Japanese. Dying their hair colours or having different coloured hair because anime is going to be the first assumption instead of "they are white". In the end, to the Japanese most anime characters are just Japanese unless otherwise specified, with blonde hair being the color of choice to indicate foreigners. |
removed-userAug 16, 2023 4:34 PM
Aug 16, 2023 5:22 PM
#97
PeripheralVision said: Black is the only hair colour natural to Japanese women. You then directly contradict yourself for citing Ichigo when the point of Ichigo's character is that his hair is naturally ORANGE, which is unnatural to Japanese. Case in point it is seen as rebellion to dye it away from black (which is once again the only natural hair color for Japanese) in the fucking first place. Rocknblock said: It is partly just the fantasy aspect at play. That being said, Asuna's lighter hair brunette colour is not that unusual a hair colour for Japanese women and Ichigo is intentionally supposed to look like a Japanese deliquent, who dye their hair bright or abnormal colours.zombie_pegasus said: The reason is because that's what you are. Japanese people are Japanese so they view the characters as Japanese, if you're white you'll generally view them as white. They're intentionally non-distinct because there's no real reason to put specific racial features on them. The small noses are actually one Asian facial feature anime characters have that white people generally don't, but people are happy to overlook that. Okay i get that but you can't tell me that Ichigo or Asuna look like asian teenagers even though they are supposed to be Japanese. Dying their hair colours or having different coloured hair because anime is going to be the first assumption instead of "they are white". In the end, to the Japanese most anime characters are just Japanese unless otherwise specified, with blonde hair being the color of choice to indicate foreigners. |
Aug 16, 2023 5:26 PM
#98
tnrend said: No need to be so angry. It was to illustrate the intention of Ichigo's character; Tite Kubo intended for him to look like a Japanese deliquent, not to look like a white person. This is apparent from the first few chapters if I recall correctly. Besides that, plenty of Japanese women have brown hair is what I meant. It is not all that unusual.PeripheralVision said: Black is the only hair colour natural to Japanese women. You then directly contradict yourself for citing Ichigo when the point of Ichigo's character is that his hair is naturally ORANGE, which is unnatural to Japanese. Case in point it is seen as rebellion to dye it away from black (which is once again the only natural hair color for Japanese) in the fucking first place.Rocknblock said: zombie_pegasus said: The reason is because that's what you are. Japanese people are Japanese so they view the characters as Japanese, if you're white you'll generally view them as white. They're intentionally non-distinct because there's no real reason to put specific racial features on them. The small noses are actually one Asian facial feature anime characters have that white people generally don't, but people are happy to overlook that. Okay i get that but you can't tell me that Ichigo or Asuna look like asian teenagers even though they are supposed to be Japanese. Dying their hair colours or having different coloured hair because anime is going to be the first assumption instead of "they are white". In the end, to the Japanese most anime characters are just Japanese unless otherwise specified, with blonde hair being the color of choice to indicate foreigners. |
Aug 16, 2023 5:30 PM
#99
traed said: Do you think Europeans and Americans have red eyes and green hair? Lol It is to make characters stand out. If you look at their face shape and non protruding nose, they often indeed are Asian. Anime early on took influence from French animation and Disney so that also played a role in character design such as large eyes. karrotStick said: There is no context needed when it comes to blue eyes. There is no such thing as Asians with that feautre. If you are saying Japanese depict themselves with better features it is basically conceding that European features are basically in the realm of fantasy (and you yourself are condeding that these features are supernatural, rare and such)tnrend said: That sounds like a you problem, I know nothing about you but maybe try and take a closer look around the world. Earlier someone in this thread mentioned how asian cosplayers look much closer to their anime counterpart than the western ones and not me but anyone who is into anime cosplay can verify that it is in fact true.It matters because visual literacy relies on your lived in experience to determine what you are seeing on screen. tnrend said: Yes you are correct with enough context one can figure out if the blue eyed girl is non asian or not. But the point here is that - the artstyle has its roots in Japan, they ARE meant to exaggerate the expressions of a typical Japanese person, not that of a westerner and yes that also means the art has distinct asian characteristics. Because of that any face with similar artstyle is easy to be mistaken as an asian origin character without proper context.Animation doesn't need to outright tell you someone with blue eyes is not Asian because your imagination can fill in the gaps. Similiar to how it doesn't need to tell you a sword is a sword, a suit is a suit, or a lion is a lion. Anime is a fictional world, having a rainbow coloured hair/eye doesn't really determine whether one is asian or not, it literally does not matter because having such a style means everyone looks the same, cute. You don't have room for another set of distinct expressiveness and characteristics because there already is one. It's like asking why does that super cool breed of cat look like a random street cat that every anime has. Anime is a fictional world? No shit. That's why all live action anime regardless of Western or Eastern look like shit. The argument is simply that characters with blue eyes blonde hair are coded to be white and you are meant to have that interpretation of them. I like how people cited purple eyes in the thread as an attempt to say this is le fantasy when white people in real life have purple eyes (yes it is very rare but is possible) >That sounds like a you problem, I know nothing about you but maybe try and take a closer look around the world. Earlier someone in this thread mentioned how asian cosplayers look much closer to their anime counterpart than the western ones and not me but anyone who is into anime cosplay can verify that it is in fact true. I'm not the one looking at cosplayers with thousands of filters, surgery, makeup and photo edits. Tip please look up Asian makeup tutorials, (particularly Chinese ones since they are the majority of Asian cosplayers) The argument is not based on the real life aspect in that regard. But the argument is that these features are intrinsically European (Fate's Artoria for example) As such your hecking cosplayers all wear wigs and eye contacts, while Europeans naturally have the possibility and capacity to have non black hair and non shit colored eyes. |
Aug 16, 2023 5:35 PM
#100
PeripheralVision said: Yes the "plenty" stems from the trend for Japanese girls to dye their hair which in itself stems from western influence. Ichigo's mom has orange hair too and no it is not dyed since Ichigo inhereited it........ You can talk about intent but a large portion of Ichigo's design emphasises that his hair is NATURAL.tnrend said: No need to be so angry. It was to illustrate the intention of Ichigo's character; Tite Kubo intended for him to look like a Japanese deliquent, not to look like a white person. This is apparent from the first few chapters if I recall correctly. Besides that, plenty of Japanese women have brown hair is what I meant. It is not all that unusual.PeripheralVision said: Rocknblock said: It is partly just the fantasy aspect at play. That being said, Asuna's lighter hair brunette colour is not that unusual a hair colour for Japanese women and Ichigo is intentionally supposed to look like a Japanese deliquent, who dye their hair bright or abnormal colours.zombie_pegasus said: The reason is because that's what you are. Japanese people are Japanese so they view the characters as Japanese, if you're white you'll generally view them as white. They're intentionally non-distinct because there's no real reason to put specific racial features on them. The small noses are actually one Asian facial feature anime characters have that white people generally don't, but people are happy to overlook that. Okay i get that but you can't tell me that Ichigo or Asuna look like asian teenagers even though they are supposed to be Japanese. Dying their hair colours or having different coloured hair because anime is going to be the first assumption instead of "they are white". In the end, to the Japanese most anime characters are just Japanese unless otherwise specified, with blonde hair being the color of choice to indicate foreigners. |
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