Is it just me or is the ending a bit confusing

Jul 2, 2023 11:40 AM

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Her colleagues were also massacred and they also were doing just their jobs.
So I think there's not a bad guy that you should hate or beat up, but more like a mentality or characteristics like corruption, being selfish etc.
Like the Peil company looked worse imo.

Jul 2, 2023 11:43 AM

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Well, they just rolled out the ultimate shonen-ish ending where the characters are completely forgiven for the worst crimes because the MC finds goodness in their souls and so on. Thank God Shaddiq did the favor and took all the blame, letting any characters involved get away with it and finally burying Shaddiq x Miorine at the same time lol.

Jul 2, 2023 11:45 AM

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ktg said:
Her colleagues were also massacred and they also were doing just their jobs.
So I think there's not a bad guy that you should hate or beat up, but more like a mentality or characteristics like corruption, being selfish etc.
Like the Peil company looked worse imo.

They are here. It's just that the show wants to convince us that trying to bring the world into a third world war by provoking a war crimes is not something that cannot be don't forgiven dear mother for.

Jul 2, 2023 11:55 AM

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RobertBobert said:

ktg said:
Her colleagues were also massacred and they also were doing just their jobs.
So I think there's not a bad guy that you should hate or beat up, but more like a mentality or characteristics like corruption, being selfish etc.
Like the Peil company looked worse imo.

They are here. It's just that the show wants to convince us that trying to bring the world into a third world war by provoking a war crimes is not something that cannot be don't forgiven dear mother for.

Wrong. If they wanted or went for a shounen ending, then no one would have been imprisoned at the end, not even Shaddiq.
This is, in that sense, more realistic where not everyone goes to prison, where people lie, where not everything is pink.

Jul 2, 2023 11:59 AM

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ktg said:

RobertBobert said:

They are here. It's just that the show wants to convince us that trying to bring the world into a third world war by provoking a war crimes is not something that cannot be don't forgiven dear mother for.

Wrong. If they wanted or went for a shounen ending, then no one would have been imprisoned at the end, not even Shaddiq.
This is, in that sense, more realistic where not everyone goes to prison, where people lie, where not everything is pink.

You are just busy moving the gate. In fact, Shaddiq is just being used as a scapegoat so that at least someone is at least formally punished for it.

Jul 2, 2023 12:20 PM

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RobertBobert said:

ktg said:

Wrong. If they wanted or went for a shounen ending, then no one would have been imprisoned at the end, not even Shaddiq.
This is, in that sense, more realistic where not everyone goes to prison, where people lie, where not everything is pink.

You are just busy moving the gate. In fact, Shaddiq is just being used as a scapegoat so that at least someone is at least formally punished for it.

Lol, the kid really thinks only prison counts as punishment while half of the cast lost someone due to the conflict.

Jul 2, 2023 12:29 PM

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ktg said:

RobertBobert said:

You are just busy moving the gate. In fact, Shaddiq is just being used as a scapegoat so that at least someone is at least formally punished for it.

Lol, the kid really thinks only prison counts as punishment while half of the cast lost someone due to the conflict.

Let's face it, you're now trying to literally justify the lack of punishment for the show's worst villains. What punishment did Prospera receive? Those old ladies who ran Elan? Miorine's father? Just don't say that by that you mean "ahaha, their daughters are gay)) 00". And no one talks about "only prison", stop making this dialogue a mess.

Jul 2, 2023 12:40 PM

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This ending was basically a big old "haha oh it was just a lapse of judgement, so what if they committed murder/genocide, I'm sure they're good people at heart" trope which I despise.

Jul 2, 2023 12:44 PM

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RobertBobert said:

ktg said:

Lol, the kid really thinks only prison counts as punishment while half of the cast lost someone due to the conflict.

Let's face it, you're now trying to literally justify the lack of punishment for the show's worst villains. What punishment did Prospera receive? Those old ladies who ran Elan? Miorine's father? Just don't say that by that you mean "ahaha, their daughters are gay)) 00". And no one talks about "only prison", stop making this dialogue a mess.

Yes, Prospera didn't lose her husband and daughter.
Holy shit, did you even watch the series? Name one character who didn't lose one of their close ones. You can't.
And even if you could, it is still pretty normal that there are characters without punishment. Again, it's realism.

Jul 2, 2023 12:51 PM

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ktg said:

RobertBobert said:

Let's face it, you're now trying to literally justify the lack of punishment for the show's worst villains. What punishment did Prospera receive? Those old ladies who ran Elan? Miorine's father? Just don't say that by that you mean "ahaha, their daughters are gay)) 00". And no one talks about "only prison", stop making this dialogue a mess.

Yes, Prospera didn't lose her husband and daughter.
Holy shit, did you even watch the series? Name one character who didn't lose one of their close ones. You can't.
And even if you could, it is still pretty normal that there are characters without punishment. Again, it's realism.

The loss of her husband and daughter was literally the CAUSE of her crimes, not the consequences. And her daughter is technically still alive, restoring the status quo before the events of the show. Do you really think that you are the one who should ask others if they have watched the show? And I don't understand why you mention other characters. Are you saying that half of the show's cast were villains? For example, who did Petra lose? Legs count? Was she even a villain? I won’t even talk about trying to justify the absence of punishment for the big bad with the help of realism, the most cheap manipulation.

Jul 2, 2023 1:17 PM

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MSH420 said:
This ending was basically a big old "haha oh it was just a lapse of judgement, so what if they committed murder/genocide, I'm sure they're good people at heart" trope which I despise.

I'm more than sure that if the show's plot was kept entirely, but made Suletta a guy and positioned as an adaptation of some shonen manga, the flow of hatred here would be much stronger several times over.

Jul 2, 2023 1:38 PM

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Let's face it, you're now trying to literally justify the lack of punishment for the show's worst villains. What punishment did Prospera receive? Those old ladies who ran Elan? Miorine's father? Just don't say that by that you mean "ahaha, their daughters are gay)) 00". And no one talks about "only prison", stop making this dialogue a mess.

I need to agreed with you, it's really appalling how free of guilt Suletta's mother are on the her last scene. All punishing she takes is a self-blame like "omg, i can't forgive myself" for like 5 min later forgive herself for anything.

I really didn't like this ending for her character .

Jul 2, 2023 1:49 PM

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Kukkuri-Kun said:

I need to agreed with you, it's really appalling how free of guilt Suletta's mother are on the her last scene. All punishing she takes is a self-blame like "omg, i can't forgive myself" for like 5 min later forgive herself for anything.

I really didn't like this ending for her character .

Just add to that that her daughter is married to a girl whose father cynically ordered her entire family to be killed for political reasons and thereby set off all this shit in general. And yes, he also escaped any consequences (the marriage of their daughters is also the result of the manipulation of both of them). This show generally has a very big problem with retribution for sins, despite the fact that the Prologue literally teased the idea of inexorable punishment.

Jul 3, 2023 11:09 PM

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Yeah the ending is confusing because of there are plot holes that are left unanswered well what important to me that they get a wonderful life at the end

Jul 4, 2023 12:55 AM

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RobertBobert said:

ktg said:

Yes, Prospera didn't lose her husband and daughter.
Holy shit, did you even watch the series? Name one character who didn't lose one of their close ones. You can't.
And even if you could, it is still pretty normal that there are characters without punishment. Again, it's realism.

The loss of her husband and daughter was literally the CAUSE of her crimes, not the consequences. And her daughter is technically still alive, restoring the status quo before the events of the show. Do you really think that you are the one who should ask others if they have watched the show? And I don't understand why you mention other characters. Are you saying that half of the show's cast were villains? For example, who did Petra lose? Legs count? Was she even a villain? I won’t even talk about trying to justify the absence of punishment for the big bad with the help of realism, the most cheap manipulation.

Then what she did was legitimate. If you kill someone by self-defense, that's not a crime. So if there is a legitimate cause and you say there is, then ethically you can't punish someone. And at that point, you don't even need to punish anyone really. You just show it to the outside. Even if Shaddiq didn't confess, they could still frame him for whatever.
Second, yes, the whole point of the show is that the half of the cast is bad, corrupt people. At least with your standards, even in the school where students use their authority to do things that illegal. So, yes, you just haven't watched the show. Then don't answer, it's just pathetic.

Jul 4, 2023 1:00 AM

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ktg said:

RobertBobert said:

The loss of her husband and daughter was literally the CAUSE of her crimes, not the consequences. And her daughter is technically still alive, restoring the status quo before the events of the show. Do you really think that you are the one who should ask others if they have watched the show? And I don't understand why you mention other characters. Are you saying that half of the show's cast were villains? For example, who did Petra lose? Legs count? Was she even a villain? I won’t even talk about trying to justify the absence of punishment for the big bad with the help of realism, the most cheap manipulation.

Then what she did was legitimate. If you kill someone by self-defense, that's not a crime. So if there is a legitimate cause and you say there is, then ethically you can't punish someone. And at that point, you don't even need to punish anyone really. You just show it to the outside. Even if Shaddiq didn't confess, they could still frame him for whatever.
Second, yes, the whole point of the show is that the half of the cast is bad, corrupt people. At least with your standards, even in the school where students use their authority to do things that illegal. So, yes, you just haven't watched the show. Then don't answer, it's just pathetic.

That is, you literally dropped any arguments, just going to the stream of consciousness and justifying the villains, literally saying that they had the right to war crimes and violence for their own interests, because they were "defending" (also backing it up with the monstrous claims that the side characters who suffered on the show were villains and deserved some kind of loss as a "punishment" for being "they were all bad at something"), but the one, who didn't watch the show and shouldn't answer is me? Lol, I would call this the most blatant and bigoted gaslighting, if it was not in general delusional argument. You clearly need to think about building a career in the press office of some dictator.

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Jul 4, 2023 12:46 PM

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Many things didn't make any sense in the last episodes, for me it went downhill 1 ep after Suletta gets separated from Eri and her mother. Pretty interesting development, but really bad execution afterwards

35 years old ossan who still watches anime

Jul 5, 2023 5:11 AM

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