| Obviously there's some problems with the idea, everyone reads at their own pace and its not exactly clear how you would match the sound with the art like you do in anime (or maybe we just have to forget about that entirely). Setting practicalities aside I think it's an interesting idea I would like to see tried at least once. |
| they already have, just put the OST of the anime adaptation, that's what I do |
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Catalano said: they already have, just put the OST of the anime adaptation, that's what I do Point taken, I do it on occasion as well, but the idea is that the musicians could make more appropriate osts for manga if they knew in advance that it would be consumed while reading. IMO Anime OST's tend to be composed in a way that requires some post processing, also most OST's cannot really be listened to like an album. And finally we have the obvious issue that not every manga, even popular ones, gets an anime, some may not even be suited for the anime format, that's why I think there may be some value in manga ost's but I'm not a musician so what do I know. |
I_Want_Tea said: I've seen some on webtoons. They keep the melody unchanging throughout the episode. Hmm, I guess you mean they have one looping track? Wouldn't really call that an ost but that's something. |
Anjuro said: Catalano said: they already have, just put the OST of the anime adaptation, that's what I do Point taken, I do it on occasion as well, but the idea is that the musicians could make more appropriate osts for manga if they knew in advance that it would be consumed while reading. IMO Anime OST's tend to be composed in a way that requires some post processing, also most OST's cannot really be listened to like an album. And finally we have the obvious issue that not every manga, even popular ones, gets an anime, some may not even be suited for the anime format, that's why I think there may be some value in manga ost's but I'm not a musician so what do I know. true, I get what you're saying, my advice is if you read sol just listen to some chill music and stuff like that, things that look like it would blend well, making an OST for a manga would be expensive and I don't think it would sell, that's the reason imo, the only reasonable example I have is when the mangaka basically composed a song for his manga. yes, this is urasawa naoki who sings this song and you can add some 90s rock songs when listen to 20th century boys |
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| the problem is, they have to be done only for online reading. since You can't exactly predict the mood of every scene before reading it. but if they had it, I think it would be awesome, I read star strings yori, while listening to "made in abyss" from the made in abyss s1 soundtrack, it surprisingly it worked perfectly with every single scene. |
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| yes, i think a coalition of art and music can never go wrong, though something nice about manga is its ability to capture attention without anything but drawings. |
sincerely_sister said: yes, i think a coalition of art and music can never go wrong, though something nice about manga is its ability to capture attention without anything but drawings. That is an interesting point, you're right, in some ways manga is elevated by engrossing the reader and having their imagination do more work (much like reading a book), in that way less might be more here, still I would like to see someone try |
| They should have sound tracks, voice acting, and they could maybe even animate the frames for full immersion. |
Apolygon2 said: the problem is, they have to be done only for online reading. since You can't exactly predict the mood of every scene before reading it. Well not necessarily, I'm sure you could make like a "smart" manga that tracks what page you're on and communicates with your computer or some other audio device to mix tracks as needed. It would be a challenge to design for sure (e.g. I'm not sure what you would do if the reader goes back to reread a previous page or if their going too fast for the soundtrack to keep up etc.) but I bet someone smarter than me could come up with a half decent concept. |
JaniSIr said: They should have sound tracks, voice acting, and they could maybe even animate the frames for full immersion. Not sure if you're memeing but actually I have also seriously thought about a manga-anime hybrid like that with semi-animated panels. Would be astronomically more work to produce, however, perhaps with the help of AI you could train a neural network to animate the panels for you (and then do some corrections as needed), then it sounds like it could be feasible (although I can't imagine it would be a better format than regular manga) |
| You know what this idea reminds me of? OutRun. A lot of the home ports couldn't handle the soundtrack so they gave you a cassette with the soundtrack in it to put in your stereo while playing the game. |
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Theo1899 said: You know what this idea reminds me of? OutRun. A lot of the home ports couldn't handle the soundtrack so they gave you a cassette with the soundtrack in it to put in your stereo while playing the game. You know the developer cares about their game when they give you the ost as a bonus ;) |
Anjuro said: JaniSIr said: They should have sound tracks, voice acting, and they could maybe even animate the frames for full immersion. Not sure if you're memeing but actually I have also seriously thought about a manga-anime hybrid like that with semi-animated panels. Would be astronomically more work to produce, however, perhaps with the help of AI you could train a neural network to animate the panels for you (and then do some corrections as needed), then it sounds like it could be feasible (although I can't imagine it would be a better format than regular manga) Of course I'm memeing, I basically just told to adapt them into animes. |
| It could work, as long as the manga sites or application can detect when the reader turn pages. I don't wanna listen to goofy ost when the next victim suddenly appear on the next page. |
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| I've had some great experiences reading manga with music on the background. The one that springs to mind is reading Beck with a frenetic and soulful alternative rock song playing on loop. I feel that when you get immersed in reading like that, it adds a nice atmosphere. Plus, Beck being about music made it hit more. I think sometimes authors mention their favorite bands, or songs that inspired them, so listening to that can be good as well. About semi-animated panels, I once saw something move while reading manga, and it turned out to be some sfx in the page that was made a gif. I thought it was pretty cool. |
| Nah, I just use my own internal soundtrack. It works fine for me. |
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malvarez1 said: Nah, I just use my own internal soundtrack. It works fine for me. For sfx I agree, I don't feel like I'm missing out anything (if anything written sfx are arguably more immersive because you're forced to acknowledge them). For music though I haven't yet acquired the ability to imagine it, never played an instrument or anything like that so it doesn't come naturally to me. |
| I don't think they would sell much as an individual biproduct. I think the medium is Drama CDs which are hit and miss. The music / sound effects are usually bare minimum since you're mostly there for the voices however its not obviously popular in the West at all due to obscurity. The only fan communities I know that even keep this practice alive is BL in terms of translating or accompanying the audio with the manga. |
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Stripes said: I don't think they would sell much as an individual biproduct. I think the medium is Drama CDs which are hit and miss. The music / sound effects are usually bare minimum since you're mostly there for the voices however its not obviously popular in the West at all due to obscurity. The only fan communities I know that even keep this practice alive is BL in terms of translating or accompanying the audio with the manga. What you're talking about sounds more like audiobooks which isn't exactly what I was thinking about. I was envisioning like a proper hour long musical album that you could listen to while reading or just in general, bonus points if it somehow syncs up with the manga but as previously discussed in the thread that may be impossible. I don't know though, I think drama CD's could sell if the stories were good, in my experience people love audio books which are sort of the same thing. |
Anjuro said: Stripes said: I don't think they would sell much as an individual biproduct. I think the medium is Drama CDs which are hit and miss. The music / sound effects are usually bare minimum since you're mostly there for the voices however its not obviously popular in the West at all due to obscurity. The only fan communities I know that even keep this practice alive is BL in terms of translating or accompanying the audio with the manga. What you're talking about sounds more like audiobooks which isn't exactly what I was thinking about. I was envisioning like a proper hour long musical album that you could listen to while reading or just in general, bonus points if it somehow syncs up with the manga but as previously discussed in the thread that may be impossible. I don't know though, I think drama CD's could sell if the stories were good, in my experience people love audio books which are sort of the same thing. I totally think the concept is interesting however I don't think it would ever come to fruition on a business end. The CD Drama are like a cheaper alternative of an anime. They're mostly used for community fandoms that are large enough demand to buy more but not enough to warrant a full tv anime. And though not impossible I think it's difficult to provide music to still images rather then clips in motion. I'm no music aficionado but you'd really have to have an imagination to weave that kind of music. |
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Stacias said: Alright and how is that Well to quote myself Anjuro said: I was envisioning like a proper hour long musical album that you could listen to while reading or just in general, bonus points if it somehow syncs up with the manga but as previously discussed in the thread that may be impossible. Anjuro said: I'm sure you could make like a "smart" manga that tracks what page you're on and communicates with your computer or some other audio device to mix tracks as needed. It would be a challenge to design for sure (e.g. I'm not sure what you would do if the reader goes back to reread a previous page or if their going too fast for the soundtrack to keep up etc.) but I bet someone smarter than me could come up with a half decent concept. |
| it would be cool idea to see. Authors can make soundtrack for some chapters. Problem is reading speed, everyone's reading speed is different and what your sometimes won't mach the music. manga is good as it is and it's beest to let reader decide what they want to listen while reading |
Rissio said: it would be cool idea to see. Authors can make soundtrack for some chapters. Problem is reading speed, everyone's reading speed is different and what your sometimes won't mach the music. manga is good as it is and it's beest to let reader decide what they want to listen while reading Yeah, I think the bottom line for me is I just want someone to give it the good ol' college try. Reading speed is an issue for sure but then again I am thinking that games have a fairly similar problem to solve when composing a soundtrack and yet most games do in fact have an ost. |
Anjuro said: Rissio said: it would be cool idea to see. Authors can make soundtrack for some chapters. Problem is reading speed, everyone's reading speed is different and what your sometimes won't mach the music. manga is good as it is and it's beest to let reader decide what they want to listen while reading Yeah, I think the bottom line for me is I just want someone to give it the good ol' college try. Reading speed is an issue for sure but then again I am thinking that games have a fairly similar problem to solve when composing a soundtrack and yet most games do in fact have an ost. One solution is having more shorter music components that repeat. Music can cange as pages change. For example it characters are talking there will be one song playing in background and if there's battle music will be different. It will work similar to visual novels and novel games. |
Rissio said: Anjuro said: Yeah, I think the bottom line for me is I just want someone to give it the good ol' college try. Reading speed is an issue for sure but then again I am thinking that games have a fairly similar problem to solve when composing a soundtrack and yet most games do in fact have an ost. One solution is having more shorter music components that repeat. Music can cange as pages change. For example it characters are talking there will be one song playing in background and if there's battle music will be different. It will work similar to visual novels and novel games. That's one approach, the other major approach I can think of is to give up on underscoring every action as it happens and compose the music in a way that on a whole it reflects that part in the story. The advantage then is that it'll probably be simpler and you'll be able to consume it on its own as well as a standalone piece of music, also, in theory the music will improve the more you listen to it as you start to piece together how the motions correspond to what is happening in the story. I'm not really a musician so this is theorycrafting at best but hey, it's interesting to think about right? |
Anjuro said: Rissio said: One solution is having more shorter music components that repeat. Music can cange as pages change. For example it characters are talking there will be one song playing in background and if there's battle music will be different. It will work similar to visual novels and novel games. That's one approach, the other major approach I can think of is to give up on underscoring every action as it happens and compose the music in a way that on a whole it reflects that part in the story. The advantage then is that it'll probably be simpler and you'll be able to consume it on its own as well as a standalone piece of music, also, in theory the music will improve the more you listen to it as you start to piece together how the motions correspond to what is happening in the story. I'm not really a musician so this is theorycrafting at best but hey, it's interesting to think about right? That is aslo good idea too, it's like to having a music theme for chapter. |
| Yeah, why not. If I remember correctly, Killing Stalking has a soundtrack for its last chapter. That's a pretty cool idea. Wish more manga would implement that. |
Nancy_Drew said: But we're not talking about any music here, in this scenario the music has been specifically composed to suit the manga. I totally get that it may be distracting but since I haven't actually tried it I'm hesitant to pass judgement. If it fades into the background like a ambient game ost for example I don't immediately see what the problem is.When I want to read manga, I read manga, and when I need a manga with music, I watch anime. If someone turns on the music in the manga, then I will feel angry because the music in the manga will prevent me from listening to my music playlist, which I listen to when I read the manga. |
| Well... How do you put a soundtrack in a book you have in hand. A soundtrack would only work for online reading. The matter is, if soundtracks were added on mangas, that would create a hate against retail mangas. There already is hate against mangas because "anime better", and online having a bonus would make retail manga irrelevant for reading. Their purpose would only be collecting. Moreover, well manga isn't anime. You wouldn't ask Marvel or DC to make their comics move or have a soundtrack just to mimic the movies. Then, what about retail-onlies ? Do they have half of the work? |
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