| I feel like its obvious that I am talking about the Chimera Arc, as it tends to have the most problems out of any of the arcs. Towards the end of the arc, when Gon " gives up everything " to power up.... it creates a ridiculous and unrealistic precedent that doesnt make sense at all. If a strong nen user could just power up and become insanely powerful at the cost of their nen, then why wouldnt they all do it? Why didnt Netero do it to beat Mereum? Why doesnt Kite do it to not die to Pitou? Theres really no reason someone wouldnt do this move if they felt their life was at risk and they were losing to an opponent. |
MaxAkumax said: CickNipolla said: I feel like its obvious that I am talking about the Chimera Arc, as it tends to have the most problems out of any of the arcs. Towards the end of the arc, when Gon " gives up everything " to power up.... it creates a ridiculous and unrealistic precedent that doesnt make sense at all. If a strong nen user could just power up and become insanely powerful at the cost of their nen, then why wouldnt they all do it? Why didnt Netero do it to beat Mereum? Why doesnt Kite do it to not die to Pitou? Theres really no reason someone wouldnt do this move if they felt their life was at risk and they were losing to an opponent. You make a good point, but there are 2 good reasons why they wouldn't do it: 1.They don't want to give up their Nen 2.Did you see the state Gon was after using that power up? If weren't for Nanika, he would have died. They all could end up like that The price of that kind of power up is not only all your nen, but your life as well The alternative is dying. Kite died without defeating his enemy, so did Netero. It doesnt make sense for such an ability to exist in this world if nobody other than Gon uses it. I think thats the main problem, its a deus ex machina thats inserted into the show without them thinking about the impact it has on the world building |
| It's taking all the Nen that you would accumulate in your entire life together and Gon has massive potential for growth. Kite and Netero are close to their peak Nen. |
| Everything about nen is extremely personal. Kurapika can only use his chains the way he does because of his absolute hatred towards the phantom troupe. Likewise, Gon's powerup only worked because of his absolute focus and obsession over Pitou, to the point where everything else lost meaning to him. That's why he was able to make the condition and pledge to give up everything in order to kill Pitou. Some random guy can't just summon all their future power and become their peak potential in order to beat their enemy because they felt like it. Don't quote me on any of this though, I'm not 100% sure. |
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| jeez i need to make threads late at night more often the respectful, foreign MAL users respond with genuine answers that provide a lot of info on the show in a few hours, im sure a lot of trolls will comment with toxic comments that MAL will do nothing about, cant wait! |
RabbitBeardy said: ScionOfCyan said: I agree broadly. Everything involving “Gon’s revenge against Pitou” is the worst material of HxH. Gon’s character loses self-consistency in personality, personal philosophy, even aesthetic completely changes. He essentially becomes a completely different character in a split second because he lost somebody he barely knew. It’s a wild sequence. This whole portion is the epitome of Togashi understanding human personality and behavior poorly. Togashi is still GOATed tho, HxH is a class shounen. Bro, Kite is like the father for Gon, he admire him from his childhood. Maybe you forget that Gon is technically still a Kid/teenagers, his denial of Kite Death and Self Hatred only amplified what's already there, his dark side were brought to surface. He grow more selfish, self center and disregard everything else except his revenge on Pitou. He's change of course after all the experience and emotions, it's called Character Development. the anime does not show this " kite father figure " at all. from what i understand the manga does a better job, but the anime does not paint that picture at all, which is why the chimera arc falls so flat. there is no build up so the reward is meaningless |
ScionOfCyan said: RabbitBeardy said: Bro, Kite is like the father for Gon, he admire him from his childhood. Maybe you forget that Gon is technically still a Kid/teenagers, his denial of Kite Death and Self Hatred only amplified what's already there, his dark side were brought to surface. He grow more selfish, self center and disregard everything else except his revenge on Pitou. He's change of course after all the experience and emotions, it's called Character Development. Humans progress in worldview/philosophy/beliefs and they progress in skills. That’s what you are referring to as character development. What do not change out of nowhere are personality attributes that are largely genetically determined. Imagine an extremely introverted person suddenly becoming exceptionally sociable. It doesn’t happen. People show their personality tendencies from very early in life. They change their beliefs but an introverted kid stays introverted as adult. As I said, it’s genetically determined. The “he’s a kid” defense is invalid. Gon is characterized from the beginning as insanely high in trait agreeableness. This is like introversion; it doesn’t change in people. It’s very uncomfortable to repeatedly act contrary to your personality tendencies, so much so that people do *not* do it. They can go against their personality a couple times but it’s so stressful they need a break before doing it again. I am familiar with this as a highly agreeable person. Getting into heated conflicts/arguments with people, even on the internet, stresses me out a lot. Agreeable people are selfless and naturally attuned to the desires and needs of others. They are open minded because they greatly prefer people getting along. If you recall Gon, Kurapika, and Leorio’s first meeting on the boat it’s a perfect demonstration. Leorio and Kurapika are highly disagreeable. Gon is so agreeable the contrast is humorous. After what happens with Kite and Pitou Gon transforms into an insanely disagreeable human being for the rest of the arc. Real humans don’t do this. The transformation is impossible to human nature. Therefore nobody can relate to Gon’s personality, taken as a whole, and it’s harder to take lessons from his story. This is precisely what I mean when I say Togashi does not understand human personality. This lack of understanding will always damage your story. interesting take. thanku for explaining |
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ScionOfCyan said: @RabbitBeardy I suppose you are correct that Gon didn’t suddenly change. It’s a long-standing issue with Gon’s characterization. Something similar happens with Nobunaga. The way he behaves with Pitou makes the characterization error so glaringly and painfully obvious that it stands out in my mind. *(Character limit)  |
| I can understand you feel that way since you are anime only. But kite was introduce in the first chapter of the manga, and he was the main reason Gon choses to become Hunter. These panels are from Hunter Exam arc which shows kite is a big inspiration for Gon. Both HxH anime did a rough job in capturing the characterization of main characters. |
| I agree. Not only Gon's transformation doesn't makes sense, but his battle with Pitou (Idk if I can even call that a battle) is VERY anti-climactic. This is why Yorknew City Arc is still my favourite. But at least Meruem vs Netero was good. |
ScionOfCyan said: By bad. Killer-King said: I can understand you feel that way since you are anime only. But kite was introduce in the first chapter of the manga, and he was the main reason Gon choses to become Hunter. These panels are from Hunter Exam arc which shows how much Gon admire kite, and he is a big inspiration for Gon. Both HxH anime did a rough job in capturing the characterization of main characters. You’re right that that’s new to me. The part you quoted I was talking about that kid on the Hunter pre-exam boat. I wanted to quote this : He essentially becomes a completely different character in a split second because he lost somebody he barely knew. |
ScionOfCyan said: The thing is that both HxH anime did a rough job adapting the source material. Tho.... they did a good job with artstyle and soundtracks but they did not do justice to characterization, pacing and narration.Poor adaptation is the main reason for lots of problem in HxH.Yeah you’re right, that’s a good correction. Reposting my edit below bc the threading is awkward. (Clearly I edited it in after your post) More generally everyone’s critique about Kite is valid of what I said. It’s not that he suddenly changes, Togashi has him going back and forth between different characters from the moment he meets the Phantom Troupe now that I think about it carefully. It does get worse after he loses Kite though. |
| Well, no, that's incorrect. It doesn't have the most problems out of all the arcs and other people don't have the same degree of determination or recklessness that Gon has. More importantly, are you sure NO ONE ever in the history of HxH world has ever done that? Well, you aren't. |
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ScionOfCyan said: So, what do you think Gon should have done at those instances?Killer-King said: The thing is that both HxH anime did a rough job adapting the source material. Tho.... they did a good job with artstyle and soundtracks but they did not do justice to characterization, pacing and narration.Poor adaptation is the main reason for lots of problem in HxH. But I have to imagine Gon’s conversations with Nobunaga, Chrollo, and Neferpitou were in the manga. Togashi seems to have a “turn Gon into a highly disagreeable person if there’s a nominal antagonist in the scene” button and… that’s not how agreeable people work. It’s putting the cart before the horse. It would make perfect sense if Leorio were the one saying all these “how dare you kill?” lines. |
CickNipolla said: I feel like its obvious that I am talking about the Chimera Arc, as it tends to have the most problems out of any of the arcs. Towards the end of the arc, when Gon " gives up everything " to power up.... it creates a ridiculous and unrealistic precedent that doesnt make sense at all. If a strong nen user could just power up and become insanely powerful at the cost of their nen, then why wouldnt they all do it? Why didnt Netero do it to beat Mereum? Why doesnt Kite do it to not die to Pitou? Theres really no reason someone wouldnt do this move if they felt their life was at risk and they were losing to an opponent. That's because they simply didn't need to resort to such thing. Netero was already on his prime and he already had emergency measure which was that poisonous rose bomb when he failed to bring down Meruem only by his Nen. For Kite, I believe Ging said that Kite had a secret nen ability which allowed him to rebirth and you knew he was right. |
 (っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥ |
ScionOfCyan said: I don't agree with you but thanks for writing this all 🤗🤗Agreeable people get stressed out very quickly by direct antagonism. If someone directly confronts me with an attempt to start a tense situation I (as a highly agreeable person exactly like Gon is most of the time) I will avoid, ignore, and keep my thoughts to myself. I literally say nothing to such people a lot of the time. Gon goes out of his way to initiate a verbal conflict when the situation is stable. It’s totally disincongruous. A highly agreeable person would do *anything but that* which means likely simply being silent. That doesn’t mean you can’t show the naivety of Gon and his self-righteous anger at these antagonists. You can simply have him express his outrage among friends when he’s not in captivity. There’s no conflict there but it shows his frustration. It’s exactly the way a highly agreeable person would tend to vent about the injustice they see in the world. If Togashi’s objective was to initiate Chrollo et. al. into their interesting responses to Gon’s demands (and they were quite interesting justifications) he merely needs to have Kurapika or Leorio say those lines in an appropriate moment. A lot of Togashi’s philosophy is quite wise but he’s not the best at putting together realistic interpersonal interactions that reflect that wisdom at times. I will read them later for better understanding. DexterDrubo said: Man...no need to be toxic. They have their reasons for what they said. You should try to read their other posts for better context.ScionOfCyan said: I agree broadly. Everything involving “Gon’s revenge against Pitou” is the worst material of HxH. Gon’s character loses self-consistency in personality, personal philosophy, even aesthetic completely changes. He essentially becomes a completely different character in a split second because he lost somebody he barely knew. It’s a wild sequence. This whole portion is the epitome of Togashi understanding human personality and behavior poorly. Togashi is still GOATed tho, HxH is a class shounen. I hate people like you who can't think situation,age,mental strength of a character properly. |
| The answer to your post is that not everyone can sell himself to certainty and close any chance for a miracle. |
| People putting wayyy too much effort into looking at the depth of the Chimera Arc. a lot of the later half of the chimera arc was Togashi simply rushing through it because his pain was getting too much. there isnt a ton of hidden meaning to al ot of the later stuff |
AlexPlayer said: It's taking all the Nen that you would accumulate in your entire life together and Gon has massive potential for growth. Kite and Netero are close to their peak Nen. I like this explanation. |
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