[spoiler until the manga ending] is the new OP and ED a hint of an Anime Original Ending?

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good if that's the case

removing that dialogue will fix his character imo

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jackoffwanker said:
good if that's the case

removing that dialogue will fix his character imo

for sure that means he is not born a natural psychopath

Jan 18, 2022 1:11 PM

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In the ED,

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In the ED,

good point damn i wish that will be the case too, that will mean the Paradis Island is the one not bombarded in the end

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WTTC2 said:
In the ED,

how the heck did i not realize this bahaha i'm praying this will HAPPEN

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Jan 18, 2022 1:26 PM

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I also noticed in ED that

Or maybe this is too much, heh.

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Since I'm talking crazy now, let's throw this crazy theory as well.

Jan 18, 2022 1:30 PM

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WTTC2 said:
I also noticed in ED that

Or maybe this is too much, heh.

theories suggest that the anime has always been a different timeline from the mango

i recommend this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMssjf8CBo

he made more of these vids as well not just one, take that with a big grain of salt though, nothing is confirmed

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jackoffwanker said:
theories suggest that the anime has always been a different timeline from the mango

i recommend this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMssjf8CBo

take that with a big grain of salt though, nothing is confirmed

Thanks, will take a look.
Yeah, I learned that after distrusting leaks before, heh. BTW, I was an ending defender, until the 8 extra pages were released.

Jan 18, 2022 1:34 PM

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I also noticed in ED that

Or maybe this is too much, heh.

dude that will imply Isayama will do the Muv Luv ending since he loves that visual novel

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I also noticed in ED that

Or maybe this is too much, heh.

dude that will imply Isayama will do the Muv Luv ending since he loves that visual novel

does muv luv have anime and is it finished as well (the anime)? wanna get into it

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deg said:

dude that will imply Isayama will do the Muv Luv ending since he loves that visual novel

does muv luv have anime and is it finished as well (the anime)? wanna get into it

there is an ongoing Muv Luv anime but the Visual Novels hated it and do not recommend it, i guess walkthrough or playthrough videos on youtube about Muv Luv will be your best bet but i have not consume it too yet

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deg said:

jackoffwanker said:

does muv luv have anime and is it finished as well (the anime)? wanna get into it

there is an ongoing Muv Luv anime but the Visual Novels hated it and do not recommend it, i guess walkthrough or playthrough videos on youtube about Muv Luv will be your best bet but i have not consume it too yet

i see, i'll try those vids and the anime as well i guess i don't mind, thanks!

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deg said:

there is an ongoing Muv Luv anime but the Visual Novels hated it and do not recommend it, i guess walkthrough or playthrough videos on youtube about Muv Luv will be your best bet but i have not consume it too yet

i see, i'll try those vids and the anime as well i guess i don't mind, thanks!

the whole Muv Luv Trilogy is super long though so if you got no time just read this popular theory months ago i guess https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/ldfsg3/the_alternate_universe_ending_theory_a_complete/

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Personally I would prefer a longer version of the ending with properly explained terms and foreshaodwing too, which should start at ep 5 for these to work.

And yes keep pyschopath Eren pls I much prefer that than just a tragic and selfless sacriface which it also is, is just he is like all actual human beings moved by several not mutually exclusive reasons towards killing 80% of the world, people think characters should not have more than 1 reason to do things but this is a fallacy, that is not how we humans work, we choose our decisions based on multple reason and causes.

Jan 18, 2022 7:50 PM

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It would be so easy for MAPPA to improve the ending simply by changing the dialogues and fleshing out some scenes a bit more. I still wouldn't necessarily love it but it would be better than the half-assed ending we got from Isayama.

Jan 18, 2022 7:51 PM

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deg said:

jackoffwanker said:

i see, i'll try those vids and the anime as well i guess i don't mind, thanks!

the whole Muv Luv Trilogy is super long though so if you got no time just read this popular theory months ago i guess https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/ldfsg3/the_alternate_universe_ending_theory_a_complete/

lmaoo i don't even know there's a trilogy, i'll still watch it one day i guess but for now i'll just read this reddit post and spoil myself instead, much appreciated, deg!

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Ayo what? I'm not a manga reader and I know I shouldn't be here, but are there really signs of an AOE??

I sometimes forget to finish my sentences.

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Ayo what? I'm not a manga reader and I know I shouldn't be here, but are there really signs of an AOE??

the lyrics of the OP and ED points towards that but ye its still a massive copium at this point lol

Jan 18, 2022 7:56 PM

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Is Isayama involved in the anime's writing so he can suggest changes if he want to?

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Ayo what? I'm not a manga reader and I know I shouldn't be here, but are there really signs of an AOE??

Not really, just speculative talk

for example expect in ep 5 some additions that were not in the manga IF they are gonna expand upon the ending and not just adapt it as it is which would be a shame since its rushed as hell

Jan 18, 2022 7:58 PM

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Is Isayama involved in the anime's writing so he can suggest changes if he want to?

He can and has in the past made suggestions to the script writer and director, we dont know how many times he ad suggested and they have refused it but we do know he is responsible fro some changes rearrengin some scenes, and also he gives his thoughts about the changes thye make too BUT the final word is with the director itself meaning here hayashi, while before with WIT it was Araki.

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Personally I would prefer a longer version of the ending with properly explained terms and foreshaodwing too, which should start at ep 5 for these to work.

And yes keep pyschopath Eren pls I much prefer that than just a tragic and selfless sacriface which it also is, is just he is like all actual human beings moved by several not mutually exclusive reasons towards killing 80% of the world, people think characters should not have more than 1 reason to do things but this is a fallacy, that is not how we humans work, we choose our decisions based on multple reason and causes.

lol you will love this blog by Isayama, nature vs nurture but nature wins for him
Isayamas blog from 2016 relevant to Erens character https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/n6zphi/isayamas_blog_from_2016_relevant_to_erens/

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MAQS said:
Personally I would prefer a longer version of the ending with properly explained terms and foreshaodwing too, which should start at ep 5 for these to work.

And yes keep pyschopath Eren pls I much prefer that than just a tragic and selfless sacriface which it also is, is just he is like all actual human beings moved by several not mutually exclusive reasons towards killing 80% of the world, people think characters should not have more than 1 reason to do things but this is a fallacy, that is not how we humans work, we choose our decisions based on multple reason and causes.

lol you will love this blog by Isayama, nature vs nurture but nature wins for him
Isayamas blog from 2016 relevant to Erens character https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/n6zphi/isayamas_blog_from_2016_relevant_to_erens/

You hit the nail in the head

I love this one I remmeebr back when ch 131 came out I got to know this interview and read it, back then it was a much bigger realization because until ch 130 I really really really thought that the final battle and confrontation would be in liberio and that the rest of the world would be spared.

I basically thought Eren was gonna do what he did, basically stop the titan curse but without having to kill 80% of the world just a few million at most.

and then came the realization that was not going to happen and when I read ch 131 and then this intervie fromisayama in another post back then in 2020 i realized Eren had truly and defnitely becomedd the main villain of AOT and that framing made look back at parts like for example ch 121 in a even better light,

Eren became what AOT never had for me, which is a GREAT villain, it had good ones, but no great ones to the stature of someone like Griffith for example, but it was in front of us all this time, and I didnt realized it until he truly hit rock botton.

Did i mention villains are my favorite characters?

is of course not because I truly like or admired them but basically for the same reason someone would like to watch a horror film.

Jan 18, 2022 8:22 PM

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deg said:

lol you will love this blog by Isayama, nature vs nurture but nature wins for him
Isayamas blog from 2016 relevant to Erens character https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/n6zphi/isayamas_blog_from_2016_relevant_to_erens/

You hit the nail in the head

I love this one I remmeebr back when ch 131 came out I got to know this interview and read it, back then it was a much bigger realization because until ch 130 I really really really thought that the final battle and confrontation would be in liberio and that the rest of the world would be spared.

I basically thought Eren was gonna do what he did, basically stop the titan curse but without having to kill 80% of the world just a few million at most.

and then came the realization that was not going to happen and when I read ch 131 and then this intervie fromisayama in another post back then in 2020 i realized Eren had truly and defnitely becomedd the main villain of AOT and that framing made look back at parts like for example ch 121 in a even better light,

Eren became what AOT never had for me, which is a GREAT villain, it had good ones, but no great ones to the stature of someone like Griffith for example, but it was in front of us all this time, and I didnt realized it until he truly hit rock botton.

Did i mention villains are my favorite characters?

is of course not because I truly like or admired them but basically for the same reason someone would like to watch a horror film.

i see well youre not alone on loving villains anyway

Why We Love Movie Villains (According to Psychology)

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deg said:

MAQS said:

You hit the nail in the head

I love this one I remmeebr back when ch 131 came out I got to know this interview and read it, back then it was a much bigger realization because until ch 130 I really really really thought that the final battle and confrontation would be in liberio and that the rest of the world would be spared.

I basically thought Eren was gonna do what he did, basically stop the titan curse but without having to kill 80% of the world just a few million at most.

and then came the realization that was not going to happen and when I read ch 131 and then this intervie fromisayama in another post back then in 2020 i realized Eren had truly and defnitely becomedd the main villain of AOT and that framing made look back at parts like for example ch 121 in a even better light,

Eren became what AOT never had for me, which is a GREAT villain, it had good ones, but no great ones to the stature of someone like Griffith for example, but it was in front of us all this time, and I didnt realized it until he truly hit rock botton.

Did i mention villains are my favorite characters?

is of course not because I truly like or admired them but basically for the same reason someone would like to watch a horror film.

i see well youre not alone on loving villains anyway

Why We Love Movie Villains (According to Psychology)

hmm yes indeed the fact they are fictional does make all the difference and the fact they resemble me does make a impact, I certainly would like Emperor palpatine as a villain far less if he was impulsive for example.

( just making a personality observation, I dont have 0.1/10 of palpatine charisma with the masses for example )

Jan 18, 2022 8:43 PM

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Whether is not that's the exact case, Isayama is known for tweaking stuff in the anime. Like eren being extra mean to Mikasa and the berserk mode of the attack titan in S1, those were anime original stuff under the instruction of Isayama so there's a possibility. Also the fact that this season ends on chapter 131 where I heard the story goes to shit (pacing and stuff)

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I don't remember that wording in the manga.

There was never a point of IF. Eren had seen the future. He knew they will stop him. He knew what lied at the end. And tbh, he acted out of Ymir's will that dictated the events which led up to the end of the manga and he knew that it was the only way to do it.

Had he not known those key points, I highly doubt he would have done the rumbling schtick. The whole purpose was to make the world and the readers hate Eren and NOT sympathise with him until the big reveal. And it was succeeded. This was basically a poor man's Lelouch strat.

While I did not like the whole armageddon style ending, I think Eren was a victim of fate rather than a 'psychopath'.

If the anime does end up changing something, I hope its just regarding the world doom stuff and nothing else because IMO, the rest was pretty spot on.

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jackoffwanker said:

WTTC2 said:
I also noticed in ED that

Or maybe this is too much, heh.

theories suggest that the anime has always been a different timeline from the mango

i recommend this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMssjf8CBo

he made more of these vids as well not just one, take that with a big grain of salt though, nothing is confirmed

The anime and manga used different panels to show Eren’s dream in the beginning of episode/chapter 1 when Eren had that “long dream”. The manga panel showed Mikasa saying, “See you soon, Eren”, which is what she said when

The anime showed a bunch of flashes of different scenes not including that Mikasa panel, so that might be suggesting it doesn’t end with

Damn I never noticed this, there might actually be an anime original ending that Isayama was planning all along like you said

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jackoffwanker said:

theories suggest that the anime has always been a different timeline from the mango

i recommend this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMssjf8CBo

he made more of these vids as well not just one, take that with a big grain of salt though, nothing is confirmed

The anime and manga used different panels to show Eren’s dream in the beginning of episode/chapter 1 when Eren had that “long dream”. The manga panel showed Mikasa saying, “See you soon, Eren”, which is what she said when

The anime showed a bunch of flashes of different scenes not including that Mikasa panel, so that might be suggesting it doesn’t end with

Damn I never noticed this, there might actually be an anime original ending that Isayama was planning all along like you said

story beats from royal government/uprising arc in the anime turns out to be different even though the outcome is the same as the manga so there's an additional reason to believe anime alternate timeline is real or this could be just nothing more than fixing Historia's motive from the manga as the Queen (?) correct me if i'm wrong

not only that though some people might already notice this so i'll just emphasize it...

i just read the reddit link deg posted, it seems that panel from ch. 120 shows a person resemble Ymir as well, in which Eren had not meet yet until a few pages later...

could imply a scene of Ymir from the future (the manga timeline) OR anime's timeline (???)

BRUH

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I doubt it, even if they add or change scenes, an ending change would be decided in the final season/movie and not in the current season.
If they adapt the original, I hope they keep that twist showing how messed up Eren was, and develop further the events of the time skip.
But if they alternate it, I would like a despair ending like The Mist (something like Eren completes the Rumbling but all his loved ones are killed, or he makes a miscalculation and also devastates Paradis)

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I doubt it, even if they add or change scenes, an ending change would be decided in the final season/movie and not in the current season.
If they adapt the original, I hope they keep that twist showing how messed up Eren was, and develop further the events of the time skip.
But if they alternate it, I would like a despair ending like The Mist (something like Eren completes the Rumbling but all his loved ones are killed, or he makes a miscalculation and also devastates Paradis)

That would be actually pretty bizarre and awesome to see as an alternate ending, Eren being the last of the mankind... resetting the world without humans at all (the circle of hate would be inevitably broken as him without Mikasa, Armin and the rest of his beloved, nor home to return as the ED song imply in the lyrics) 💔

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Kelly32723 said:

jackoffwanker said:

theories suggest that the anime has always been a different timeline from the mango

i recommend this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMssjf8CBo

he made more of these vids as well not just one, take that with a big grain of salt though, nothing is confirmed

The anime and manga used different panels to show Eren’s dream in the beginning of episode/chapter 1 when Eren had that “long dream”. The manga panel showed Mikasa saying, “See you soon, Eren”, which is what she said when

The anime showed a bunch of flashes of different scenes not including that Mikasa panel, so that might be suggesting it doesn’t end with

Damn I never noticed this, there might actually be an anime original ending that Isayama was planning all along like you said

Nice one! But unfortunately this is not the first time that the anime changes something which is inconsistent with some of the details of the story later on, like changing Mikasa's tatto in season 1 into an embroidery, and suddenly the tatto appears out of nowhere in season 4. So nope, changing Eren's dream is not a clue to an AoE, it may just be some liberties Wit studio took with the story.

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Kelly32723 said:

The anime and manga used different panels to show Eren’s dream in the beginning of episode/chapter 1 when Eren had that “long dream”. The manga panel showed Mikasa saying, “See you soon, Eren”, which is what she said when

The anime showed a bunch of flashes of different scenes not including that Mikasa panel, so that might be suggesting it doesn’t end with

Damn I never noticed this, there might actually be an anime original ending that Isayama was planning all along like you said

Nice one! But unfortunately this is not the first time that the anime changes something which is inconsistent with some of the details of the story later on, like changing Mikasa's tatto in season 1 into an embroidery, and suddenly the tatto appears out of nowhere in season 4. So nope, changing Eren's dream is not a clue to an AoE, it may just be some liberties Wit studio took with the story.

oh that’s true, anime tend to change those details a lot, but maybe… 👀

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Kelly32723 said:

The anime and manga used different panels to show Eren’s dream in the beginning of episode/chapter 1 when Eren had that “long dream”. The manga panel showed Mikasa saying, “See you soon, Eren”, which is what she said when

The anime showed a bunch of flashes of different scenes not including that Mikasa panel, so that might be suggesting it doesn’t end with

Damn I never noticed this, there might actually be an anime original ending that Isayama was planning all along like you said

story beats from royal government/uprising arc in the anime turns out to be different even though the outcome is the same as the manga so there's an additional reason to believe anime alternate timeline is real or this could be just nothing more than fixing Historia's motive from the manga as the Queen (?) correct me if i'm wrong

not only that though some people might already notice this so i'll just emphasize it...

i just read the reddit link deg posted, it seems that panel from ch. 120 shows a person resemble Ymir as well, in which Eren had not meet yet until a few pages later...

could imply a scene of Ymir from the future (the manga timeline) OR anime's timeline (???)

BRUH

could be just the anime changing small details, as N0-0NE2 said, but it’d be cool af if Isayama was planning to do smth like this all along

Jan 19, 2022 2:04 PM

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in the manga Eren did all of this because he loved Mikasa and his friends, there are no reasons to change the plot, he is so good itself

Jan 19, 2022 2:06 PM

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in the manga Eren did all of this because he loved Mikasa and his friends, there are no reasons to change the plot, he is so good itself

that should be the anime original ending so read the first post

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tfw u realize that this is isayama's way of making sure no one is spoiled about the real ending

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