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Oct 17, 2021 5:50 PM
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Rudeus hasnt won a single fight alone since the show start. Even with his new power up he still get beaten for everyone
Oct 17, 2021 5:53 PM
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He did beat Eris using his eye in sparring. His abilities are pretty op compared to your average character in mushoku tensei. I would not call him super op though.
Oct 17, 2021 5:57 PM
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rohan121 said:
He did beat Eris using his eye in sparring. His abilities are pretty op compared to your average character in mushoku tensei. I would not call him super op though.
eris is a child with anger issues how is beating her OP
Oct 17, 2021 6:03 PM
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Jontayy said:
eris is a child with anger issues how is beating her OP


That child though could kick most people's asses with her swordfighting techniques and abilities even with her being young, and the potential for her to get better makes her even more terrifying in the future. The fact that she's able to seriously train with Ghislaine, a Sword King and hang in with multiple sparring sessions with Ruijerd too shows that she is very strong for her age. It doesn't make Rudeus necessarily overpowered for beating her since she's still not among the most powerful around and he did rely on luck through his abilities to read her moves to beat her, and he got his ass kicked by Ruijerd anyway but don't undermine Eris and her strength and combat skills. Even with her childishness, most people or regular fighters would struggle or get absolutely destroyed by her.
Oct 17, 2021 6:05 PM
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Because Rudeus can cast magic without casting a spell (Voiceless Incantation) and now he has demon eyes foresight which is kinda op.
Oct 17, 2021 6:06 PM
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Drop111 said:
Rudeus hasnt won a single fight alone since the show start. Even with his new power up he still get beaten for everyone


Kaiseki said:
Because Rudeus can cast magic without casting a spell (Voiceless Incantation) and now he has demon eyes foresight which is kinda op.


He isn't considered overpowered by most people. He's skilled and knowledgable and doesn't need incantations out loud for the most part for spells, but is very raw in actual combat experience and still is fearful in that department, afraid to killing people which loses his concentration, and is average at swordsmanship. His abilities help him out but yeah, there's still many bigger fish out there that put his current abilities to shame. It's refreshing seeing how he cultivates his skills from such a young age rather than being super powerful and unbeatable from the beginning and even with the eye he was given, he's still got many flaws that makes him more than vulnerable against strong fighters out there.
Oct 17, 2021 6:27 PM
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Kaiseki said:
Because Rudeus can cast magic without casting a spell (Voiceless Incantation) and now he has demon eyes foresight which is kinda op.
Voiceless Incantation is still useful but that Demon Eye is just a minor upgrade, there are monsters in that world, like the North Saint today, that even if you know what they're gonna do next you can't hit because they react to your moves. Same in CQC where magic isn't very useful and melee fighters can attack way too fast for you to do anything. So, yeah, essentially anyone of those guys are a major threat to Rudy.
Better not talk of the real monsters that we'll see in the future.
Oct 17, 2021 6:32 PM
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So can sylphie, for the changeless magic.

Do you really understand OP the same way as I do? Because i don't think so.

Would you say that Paul being able to cut a Rock with a wooden sword is OP ? ( Don't say Eris can , then she will be the one OP)

_yeah is really cheating to have memories of your past life ( at some degres).

_for his age he could be considered a genius but that all. (here spolier territory ,so if you want to know it spolier Free, YouTube Rudeus Powers and abilities, pretty much spoiler Free)

_magic is magic but as some basis, which we don't really know.

Also for the demon eyes they are too much infos that are no here so , you can see some explanation on espiritus channel YT. But to put it simply the eye is not so omni as it can sound, max is 3-5s and it's blurry because:

1_ there many possibilities cause by many factors (that's I'm too lazy to list sorry)

2_ could mislead you, if you're inexperienced, you see a glimps* of future
, You get ready, the other person react (it's no longer the same things that you've Saw just a second ago,and then you're F,). Also if you're not fast enough
.
Future do change depending on our action.
Oct 17, 2021 7:25 PM
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I think, he's considered OP sincd his mana pool is huge.

Wayyy too big compared to normal people in that world.

+ knowldege from past world helped him out multiple times in magic. Like chantless magic he created
Oct 17, 2021 8:38 PM

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In terms of spell that are really the deciding factor in combat, Rudeus is limited to what he learned from part 1--and all of that is limited to his magic staff. So I wouldn't consider him overpowered.

He also has yet to learn swordsman-ship.




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Oct 17, 2021 8:38 PM
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In my opinion Mages as a whole aren't as powerful as people make them seem. Once Rudeus runs out of Mana or if he doesn't have any allies with him he might not be able to preform as well.
Oct 17, 2021 8:55 PM

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Nah, I read the manga and love Rudeus' character but I wouldn't even call him overpowered.
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It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines
and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it,
is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service.
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Because they haven't seen him
yet.
Oct 17, 2021 9:05 PM
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Jontayy said:
rohan121 said:
He did beat Eris using his eye in sparring. His abilities are pretty op compared to your average character in mushoku tensei. I would not call him super op though.
eris is a child with anger issues how is beating her OP
I guess you ddint see her chopping up that giant snake back during s1
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His IQ and maturity is that of a grown up (not exactly of an adult, but yeah).

Multilingual ability.

Super fast learner.

His prior knowledge on games and stuff gives him an edge in understanding magic.

Voiceless incantation.


Sounds pretty OP to me.
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rohan121 said:
He did beat Eris using his eye in sparring. His abilities are pretty op compared to your average character in mushoku tensei. I would not call him super op though.
Who else did he beat though? And alone? Literally nobody. He even just barely won the fight with Gallus and that only because he had the Sacred Beast and Geese with him.
The last time he was fighting alone he survived just because Ghislaine came to his help and he didn't really get any stronger since then. You can't call that being overpowered...

And what exactly is even your standard for an "average character in mushoku tensei"? You realize there are people (more like monsters) who could kill whole Rudy's party literally without breaking a sweat? Do you remember Almanfi from the last season? And he's supposed to be only a servant of Perugius'...
nazsa said:
His IQ and maturity is that of a grown up (not exactly of an adult, but yeah).

Multilingual ability.

Super fast learner.

His prior knowledge on games and stuff gives him an edge in understanding magic.

Voiceless incantation.


Sounds pretty OP to me.
Oh yes, he's surely going to overpower and beat people with his uncanny multilingual abilities, IQ of a shut-in grown-up (despite the fact that his opponents are also always grown-ups) and his super fast learning skills (that will probably dissappear soon, as it is an advantage only a developing child brain has)...
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Drop111 said:
Rudeus hasnt won a single fight alone since the show start. Even with his new power up he still get beaten for everyone

Yeah people who call him OP don't know what's coming lol. There are many people who are faaaar faaar strong that him and most haven't even been shown yet. And there are those that have been shown but people don't realise how strong they are


And there are more to come
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(I haven't read its LN)

More like extraordinary imo ; like how he learned spells & languages quickly, & he doesn't even say incantations out loud (I doubt he's the only one who can do that),.. well most of it can be considered as his hard work.

Oct 17, 2021 10:30 PM
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Who are those who calling rudeus op he is till now a pussy cat
Oct 17, 2021 11:32 PM
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He’s better in the source material tbh LN
Oct 18, 2021 12:55 AM
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Kaiseki said:
Because Rudeus can cast magic without casting a spell (Voiceless Incantation) and now he has demon eyes foresight which is kinda op.
His case is similar with Kamijou Touma from the Toaru series, his power is to erase anything supernatural if it touches his right hand which sounds like a really overpowered ability considering the villains in the series are mostly magicians, but that's not the case. While he always wins in the end, he struggles really hard to barely survive and win (unlike most fantasy LN protagonists where they can beat the enemy by just touching them). Rudeus is pretty similar to him in my opinion.
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I also think that Rudeus is OP by Mushoku Tensei standards. He is not a Goku or a Dio, but, with the power he currently has, at some point the author will have to add characters with the level of a God from Greek mythology and will have to opt for scriptas so that they are defeated.
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I also think that Rudeus is OP by Mushoku Tensei standards. He is not a Goku or a Dio, but, with the power he currently has, at some point the author will have to add characters with the level of a God from Greek mythology and will have to opt for scriptas so that they are defeated.
OK, I would understand calling him overpowered by our world standards, but by the standards of the six-sided world??!! He literally hasn't beaten anybody by himself so far (Without Ruijerd and Ghislaine he'd be dead a long time ago) and in the previous season (or "cour", if you will) we've been for example shown that even Perugius' servant Almanfi could easily crush him probably even without him noticing... And what about Ruijerd? Ghislaine? Or Paul??? Completely all of them could destroy him if they wanted to all by themselves and they're not even that strong.

The only isekai protagonist weaker than Rudeus I've known is probably just Subaru from Re:Zero
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Bro in the latest episode he created a storm
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JanPri said:
EyeViewer said:
I also think that Rudeus is OP by Mushoku Tensei standards. He is not a Goku or a Dio, but, with the power he currently has, at some point the author will have to add characters with the level of a God from Greek mythology and will have to opt for scriptas so that they are defeated.
OK, I would understand calling him overpowered by our world standards, but by the standards of the six-sided world??!! He literally hasn't beaten anybody by himself so far (Without Ruijerd and Ghislaine he'd be dead a long time ago) and in the previous season (or "cour", if you will) we've been for example shown that even Perugius' servant Almanfi could crush him without him noticing... And what about Ruijerd? Ghislaine? Or Paul??? Completely all of them could destroy him if they wanted to all by themselves and they're not even that strong.

The only isekai protagonist weaker than Rudeus I've known is probably just Subaru from Re:Zero



Em questão de força física em Mushoku tensei, vc pode ser considerado OP pela maneira de como vc pode manipular o TOUKI.
Como Rudeus é incapaz de manipular TOUKI então sua força física não é muito grande, mais ele compensa isso no futuro. E Ruijerd é Ghislaine são sim muito fortes, Ruijerd é comparado em nível de força como um imperador do estilo DEUS DO NORTE, já Ghislaine é um rei no estilo DEUS DA ESPADA, então eles são bem fortes já q nenhum lutou sério no anime.
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EyeViewer said:
I also think that Rudeus is OP by Mushoku Tensei standards. He is not a Goku or a Dio, but, with the power he currently has, at some point the author will have to add characters with the level of a God from Greek mythology and will have to opt for scriptas so that they are defeated.
OK, I would understand calling him overpowered by our world standards, but by the standards of the six-sided world??!! He literally hasn't beaten anybody by himself so far (Without Ruijerd and Ghislaine he'd be dead a long time ago) and in the previous season (or "cour", if you will) we've been for example shown that even Perugius' servant Almanfi could crush him without him noticing... And what about Ruijerd? Ghislaine? Or Paul??? Completely all of them could destroy him if they wanted to all by themselves and they're not even that strong.

The only isekai protagonist weaker than Rudeus I've known is probably just Subaru from Re:Zero


When I said "standards" I meant Mushoku Tensei. It is true that Rudeus has needed the help of various characters, but in the first season there was no real confrontation, I think it would be more appropriate to call them "chases". Even if characters appeared earlier with the power to change the same environment with one attack, Ghislaine saves Rudeus with a brief display of the villain's power to generate interest.

I think one of Mushoku Tensei's general problems is giving Rudeus a lot of talent instead of willpower. MT being an Isekai, it should deal with the development of the protagonist; on how to go from being a pervert to a chad with a harem. However, Rudeus puts in little effort and gains a lot of power, which is why he is considered OP.

Another flaw that I could highlight is the fact that she gave him a demon eye when he had not even fought for the first time. It's like Meliodas upgrades, the difference is that Meliodas at least went through a few battles before gaining more power. Rudeus, on the other hand, gains an outstanding power to be, physically, a boy of his age, and the author is forced to give him more power when he realizes that he made the villains too powerful.

One thing that could fix this is to create a more strategic system. For example, in JoJo's the characters are mostly OP, but the good thing is that technical confrontations are avoided to give room for strategy.
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EyeViewer said:
OK, I would understand calling him overpowered by our world standards, but by the standards of the six-sided world??!! He literally hasn't beaten anybody by himself so far (Without Ruijerd and Ghislaine he'd be dead a long time ago) and in the previous season (or "cour", if you will) we've been for example shown that even Perugius' servant Almanfi could crush him without him noticing... And what about Ruijerd? Ghislaine? Or Paul??? Completely all of them could destroy him if they wanted to all by themselves and they're not even that strong.

The only isekai protagonist weaker than Rudeus I've known is probably just Subaru from Re:Zero


When I said "standards" I meant Mushoku Tensei. It is true that Rudeus has needed the help of various characters, but in the first season there was no real confrontation, I think it would be more appropriate to call them "chases". Even if characters appeared earlier with the power to change the same environment with one attack, Ghislaine saves Rudeus with a brief display of the villain's power to generate interest.

I think one of Mushoku Tensei's general problems is giving Rudeus a lot of talent instead of willpower. MT being an Isekai, it should deal with the development of the protagonist; on how to go from being a pervert to a chad with a harem. However, Rudeus puts in little effort and gains a lot of power, which is why he is considered OP.

Another flaw that I could highlight is the fact that she gave him a demon eye when he had not even fought for the first time. It's like Meliodas upgrades, the difference is that Meliodas at least went through a few battles before gaining more power. Rudeus, on the other hand, gains an outstanding power to be, physically, a boy of his age, and the author is forced to give him more power when he realizes that he made the villains too powerful.

One thing that could fix this is to create a more strategic system. For example, in JoJo's the characters are mostly OP, but the good thing is that technical confrontations are avoided to give room for strategy.




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OK, I would understand calling him overpowered by our world standards, but by the standards of the six-sided world??!! He literally hasn't beaten anybody by himself so far (Without Ruijerd and Ghislaine he'd be dead a long time ago) and in the previous season (or "cour", if you will) we've been for example shown that even Perugius' servant Almanfi could crush him without him noticing... And what about Ruijerd? Ghislaine? Or Paul??? Completely all of them could destroy him if they wanted to all by themselves and they're not even that strong.

The only isekai protagonist weaker than Rudeus I've known is probably just Subaru from Re:Zero


When I said "standards" I meant Mushoku Tensei. It is true that Rudeus has needed the help of various characters, but in the first season there was no real confrontation, I think it would be more appropriate to call them "chases". Even if characters appeared earlier with the power to change the same environment with one attack, Ghislaine saves Rudeus with a brief display of the villain's power to generate interest.

I think one of Mushoku Tensei's general problems is giving Rudeus a lot of talent instead of willpower. MT being an Isekai, it should deal with the development of the protagonist; on how to go from being a pervert to a chad with a harem. However, Rudeus puts in little effort and gains a lot of power, which is why he is considered OP.

Another flaw that I could highlight is the fact that she gave him a demon eye when he had not even fought for the first time. It's like Meliodas upgrades, the difference is that Meliodas at least went through a few battles before gaining more power. Rudeus, on the other hand, gains an outstanding power to be, physically, a boy of his age, and the author is forced to give him more power when he realizes that he made the villains too powerful.

One thing that could fix this is to create a more strategic system. For example, in JoJo's the characters are mostly OP, but the good thing is that technical confrontations are avoided to give room for strategy.



It's not a shounen with power upgrade at each Arch,


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EyeViewer said:
I also think that Rudeus is OP by Mushoku Tensei standards. He is not a Goku or a Dio, but, with the power he currently has, at some point the author will have to add characters with the level of a God from Greek mythology and will have to opt for scriptas so that they are defeated.
Why would they? Rudeus already has no chance to beat Ruijerd atm. There is gonna be a super OP guy coming (probably in this season if they stick to 3 books per season) but Rudeus is already below shown characters.

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giving Rudeus a lot of talent instead of willpower. MT being an Isekai, it should deal with the development of the protagonist; on how to go from being a pervert to a chad with a harem. However, Rudeus puts in little effort and gains a lot of power, which is why he is considered OP.

That's actually what MT is about tho, the talent and power isnt that relevant, it's about character developement for the most part. The anime format hurts this a lot since we are already past a lot of growth in inner monologue, but I think there's gonna be more of that in a couple episodes.

Edit: Oh yeah tiny spoiler, later on (by this pace that would be season 3-4) it also gets revealed that Rudeus has a certain weakness that puts him below most fighters in the world.
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By all means he is NOT op, compared to some other characters he is by far not op
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He is Op Because He is NORMAL.whwn time come he will shine.
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Atleast Rudeas still learning and becoming strong slowly but surely overtimes
Sure One can not label him as OP MC but One can not label him as weak mc as subaru either (and no i am not bashing subaru here)
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How would you judge whether or not a main character is considered OP? In any type of story, the main character is someone special.

The main character in MT is powerful but anyone can pretty much kill him in his sleep or ambush him in a dark alley.

That is a weakness of mages. They are powerful when they get time to prep but are vulnerable to surprise attacks.
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