| bad idea to watch all movies back to back, your probably fell asleep on the last one because everything was perfectly fine explained. |
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| Having watched the series + EoE enhances the entire rebuild experience by a lot. Whereas the first 3 movies are kinda weak, the 4th makes up for this alltogether. Also that 1 specific fight with Gendo and Shinji in the city most likely looked like that intentionally, we know they can do better because they used way better CG in the next scenes and before that, maybe it's just the dimension but I have yet to really get what they are trying to play at with this, kinda felt like a budget video game, but i never have really seen the games so I cannot tell. |
EmperorLelouch_4 said: keigoezura said: On the manga series they explain that Mari was Shinji's mom classmate,Yui, that's why the professor call her Maria Escariota. She doesn't look that old because she rides an Eva, remember Shinji asks Asuka in 3.0 why she still looks young and she reply that it's because of the Eva. There's this believing that Mari was in love with Yui, that's why she hates Ikari... then she got really attached to Asuka and finally she decides to help Yui's son, Shinji (: I hope it helps So is Mari and Shinji are dating now at the end of the film? I'm quite confused. If so the age gap between them... Well I don't mind since I'm into older women but not that old old women but still Mari is like the same age as Shinji's mom Yui and it only looks good on the outside cuz Mari never aged for so long. Mari Maiknami is a clone of the Mari that was Yui's friend. Hence "Nami". Also Asuka Shikinami is a clone of Asuka Langley Soryu, presumably. |
EmperorLelouch_4 said: Draconix814 said: Mari Maiknami is a clone of the Mari that was Yui's friend. Hence "Nami". Also Asuka Shikinami is a clone of Asuka Langley Soryu, presumably. Anno said he changed it to Shikinami to change the background of the character. I never saw anything about Asuka and Mari being a clone or something. Pretty sure that this was directly implied in the film. You know, in Asuka's flashback with all those Asukas, and before that when the "Original" Asuka came to Shikinami and turned her into Tang as she became an Angel. |
EmperorLelouch_4 said: Draconix814 said: Pretty sure that this was directly implied in the film. You know, in Asuka's flashback with all those Asukas, and before that when the "Original" Asuka came to Shikinami and turned her into Tang as she became an Angel. my bad I remember it now, it was already late at night when we watched the film with my friend and I just read something about Asuka being a clone and her familial relationship with Ken on a Eva wiki. So with my last question, Mari and Shinji are together romantically? Sorry Im all confused as I am also cramming my homework due later 12 pm while reading this forum and other Eva reddits and wikis. Lol, I think that's what is implied. And it really makes the most sense. For the few interactions that the two of them have, their relationship is almost entirely physical and doesn't have the same emotional baggage that made the Shinji x Asuka ship so toxic. Shinji is free to be a mentally stable person with this iteration of Mari. |
ImpureKnight said: I understand you, I dont like this movie at all. All the three main characters are so distant to each other, Asuka and Shinji don't have a single good interaction until the end of movie. Then he leaves her e run away with Mari. Wait, who is she again?! Worst character of all. I don't need to mention the total nonsense at the end, imaginary Evangelion, anti-universe,Shinji's mother pop out of nowhere, Asuka been a clone and a angel, Gendo became victim after all he had done and his plan was the same shit than the others Evangelions, but with more complexity shit which adds nothing to the movie. In the other hand, I really like the manga ending, explore much more shinji and his interactions with others, the truly wish of his mother and the message were much more beautiful!! So, in the end, this movie destroyed the rebuild and a bit of franchise for me. I am disappointed. Yui Ikari's soul is infused into Unit 01, like in the End of Eva, she didn't pop out of nowhere. The imaginary Eva appears to be similar in concept to an imaginary number. It is a concept that only exists because Instrumentality has begun and needs a catalyst (the imaginary Eva, or "Black (Inverted) Lillith"), like how you need an imaginary number to explain how a square can equal a negative number. Note that Instrumentality begins when Unit 01 (Hope; Positive) confronting Unit 013 (Despair; Negative). The destruction of the AT field commences when Shinji reaches infinity sync rate, and ofc Instrumentality is brought about by the spirit of Lilith as represented by Rei (Zero in Japanese) "It all returns to nothing (zero)." Kom Susser Tod Everything Gendo related was almost explicitly stated in End of Eva but this time we get a more dramatic and detailed representation and explanation of Gendo's trauma, his fears and this time we have him finding the answer, and him getting to be happy with Yui, which was always why he wanted to initiate Human Instrumentality. To be with Yui. Rei Ayanami. Clone. Always has been since NGE. Asuka Shikinami. Clone as of Rebuild of Eva. Not Asuka Soryu Langley from NGE. Hideaki Anno has confirmed that all three main female pilots of Eva Rebuilds are named after Ayanami-class Japanese Destroyers (warships), (nami = wave). It is safe to assume that Mari Makinami is also meant to be a clone. Asuka and Shinji always had an unhealthy and toxic relationship. It probably wasn't intended from the beginning, but Mari works best as Shinji's partner because he doesn't have the emotional baggage with her that he had with Asuka. Their relationship is entirely physical. Meanwhile, Asuka and Shinji loathed each other because they depended on each other to feel validated. This frustration that Shinji feels with Asuka culminates in the iconic choking sequences in End of Eva and is directly paralleled when Asuka tries to shove food down Shinji's mouth. As to why all the characters are so "distant" from each other, may I direct you to Episode 4 of NGE, "Hedgehog's Dilemma". |
MugenNoShirayuki said: Draconix814 said: Yui Ikari's soul is infused into Unit 01, like in the End of Eva, she didn't pop out of nowhere. The imaginary Eva appears to be similar in concept to an imaginary number. It is a concept that only exists because Instrumentality has begun and needs a catalyst (the imaginary Eva, or "Black (Inverted) Lillith"), like how you need an imaginary number to explain how a square can equal a negative number. Note that Instrumentality begins when Unit 01 (Hope; Positive) confronting Unit 013 (Despair; Negative). The destruction of the AT field commences when Shinji reaches infinity sync rate, and ofc Instrumentality is brought about by the spirit of Lilith as represented by Rei (Zero in Japanese) "It all returns to nothing (zero)." Kom Susser Tod Everything Gendo related was almost explicitly stated in End of Eva but this time we get a more dramatic and detailed representation and explanation of Gendo's trauma, his fears and this time we have him finding the answer, and him getting to be happy with Yui, which was always why he wanted to initiate Human Instrumentality. To be with Yui. Rei Ayanami. Clone. Always has been since NGE. Asuka Shikinami. Clone as of Rebuild of Eva. Not Asuka Soryu Langley from NGE. Hideaki Anno has confirmed that all three main female pilots of Eva Rebuilds are named after Ayanami-class Japanese Destroyers (warships), (nami = wave). It is safe to assume that Mari Makinami is also meant to be a clone. Asuka and Shinji always had an unhealthy and toxic relationship. It probably wasn't intended from the beginning, but Mari works best as Shinji's partner because he doesn't have the emotional baggage with her that he had with Asuka. Their relationship is entirely physical. Meanwhile, Asuka and Shinji loathed each other because they depended on each other to feel validated. This frustration that Shinji feels with Asuka culminates in the iconic choking sequences in End of Eva and is directly paralleled when Asuka tries to shove food down Shinji's mouth. As to why all the characters are so "distant" from each other, may I direct you to Episode 4 of NGE, "Hedgehog's Dilemma". You keep talking about the problems between Shinji and Asuka, but it feels like you're forgetting that Rei is just as valid of an option, and presented as a far more significant relationship in the context of Rebuild. Rei is the clone of Shinji's Dead Mother. Not a very valid option imo. Shinji has never developed romantic feelings for her, even in the OG series, because he sees her as "mother-like". |
MugenNoShirayuki said: Draconix814 said: Rei is the clone of Shinji's Dead Mother. Not a very valid option imo. Shinji has never developed romantic feelings for her, even in the OG series, because he sees her as "mother-like". Rei was reborn with a new body, she's 100% a valid option. After Anti-Universe Instrumentality? That doesn't count. And Shinji decided to destroy let go all of his past connections in order to create a world where Humanity doesn't (stumble upon God and) create Evas. In all of the series, her feelings and relationship with Shinji only develop because she is a clone of Shinji's mother infused with the soul of Lilith. "Shinji is its a boy, Rei if its a girl." |
MugenNoShirayuki said: Draconix814 said: After Anti-Universe Instrumentality? That doesn't count. And Shinji decided to destroy let go all of his past connections in order to create a world where Humanity doesn't (stumble upon God and) create Evas. In all of the series, her feelings and relationship with Shinji only develop because she is a clone of Shinji's mother infused with the soul of Lilith. "Shinji is its a boy, Rei if its a girl." If you're denying Rei's feelings for Shinji are genuinely her own, then your argument is that, in the end, Rei never actually had free will or any soul of her own, she was just a programmed doll. Which is the exact opposite point of her character arc. I can't tell if you're trolling or if you're serious. Of course her feelings are her own. Asuka says she is "programmed" to like Shinji, but that "programming" is genetic and perhaps spiritual. That of a mother's adoration towards her child, (hey hey, that's what the entire village part was about) or something like an inexplicable sibling bond. Whatever it is most akin to, Rei can't express it beyond referring to Shinji as "the boy I like". Her purpose is supposed to be that she is a weapon to pilot the Eva and bring about Instrumentality so that Gendo can be together with Yui. In EoE, Rei III acts of her own volition to give the power to decide Instrumentality to Shinji, and he ultimately rejects Instrumentality. Rei also acts of her own volition many times in Rebuilds for Shinji, but it doesn't change the underlying reasons. At any rate, Shinji and Asuka in NGE have sex off-screen (which is referenced in EoE), which helps explain their deteriorating relationship as the series progresses and why the new Adam and Eve wind up being Shinji and Asuka at the end of Instrumentality (and his frustration with Asuka is why he chokes her). In Thrice, Asuka returns the favor and chokes him back (by shoving food down his throat) and they both admit to having feelings for each other over the course of the film. But Shinji does this in a scene referencing EoE instrumentality. Shinji never had romantic feelings for Rei despite their bond. Had many for Asuka, but they couldn't stay together because they were both mentally broken people. They both move on from each other. In the end, the last love interest is the infinitely more stable Mari Makinami, which is why they flirt with each other at the end. That is Shinji's will. With the "smell of an adult" to put the past behind him and start anew. |
Sinapsi said: Pretty much everything is explained. The only thing not gone into detail about is how Kaji sacrificed himself, but even EoE had minor unexplained bits of lore.I'm writing this right after watching the 4 movies back to back, and tbh why the hell is this a 8.80 atm? Let's just clarify that I'm not taking the original Evangelion series into account because these movies are a remake. Maybe I'm just totally blind, but imo there are way too many things floating around that don't make any sense (not talking about objects, literally there's something missing in the story itself). Please tell me how Asuka ended up with Ken, why Kaji had to sacrifice himself and everything else tbh, because this last movie doesn't make any sense. Apart from Rei and Shinji, we pretty much know nothing about the other characters' background (why the fuck did Mari get called Maria Escariota by the old man). On top of that even the CG animation wasn't as good, going from a really good landscape actually well drawn to a low-quality CG was a punch in the eye. Sorry for the rant, but please tell me how this movie is rated this much. Thank you. |
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| I love seeing people completely missing the point of this movie and Evangelion in general If you call this a remake no wonder you think there's so much things wrong with it, get past the top layer, what matters in evangelion it's the message it's below the top layer but instead all you care is the top layer |
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Sinapsi said: AlexConrado said: I love seeing people completely missing the point of this movie and Evangelion in general If you call this a remake no wonder you think there's so much things wrong with it, get past the top layer, what matters in evangelion it's the message it's below the top layer but instead all you care is the top layer Calm down bud, after reading all the comments about the background, the movie now makes more sense and I gave it an 8/10, so still great lmao...I just can't get how people give it higher scores with, as you call, the top layer being so "rushed" (idk how to say, i'm not english as you can tell) Honestly I do not think @Draconix814 explanation is not necesary (still very much appriciated) the first layer is not rushed, it just really scattered, so I can see why so many people missed the little details. Its not that deep, and does not require "big brain time" . But they can easily get lost in the dense 2h 35min runtime. I personally had to pause several scenes to fully piece the together while watching the movie , and not after |
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