Luffy vs Kaido

Aug 5, 2021 6:34 AM

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Alright guys I'm feeling a little conflicted. At this point even if Luffy beats Kaido. It will feel kinda lackluster. Kaido has him 2-0 right now. Could've killed him twice. And yes I know. He had the chance but didn't kill him. Whatever.
But it just seems like such a hollow victory. Same with Katakuri. To me. Luffy did not "WIN" the Katakuri fight. He lived. But didn't win. I feel like Doflamingo was the last person Luffy truly defeated. I mean of course he defeated a good amount of people in between. But I'm talking BIG battles. You know what I'm talking about. Does anyone get what I'm saying? I'm not trashing One Piece at all. I love One Piece.

But that's just how his battles have been coming across lately. I also feel like he just isn't strong enough to do it by himself. But I also get that Kaido has been weakened by fighting so many people. Idk I have alot of thoughts on this.

Moral of the story is HOW DO YOU THINK KAIDO WILL BE DEFEATED?!

Aug 5, 2021 7:28 AM

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I liked luffy vs katakuri a lot. I don't mind either way with kaido.

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Aug 5, 2021 11:51 AM

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unpopular opinion: Kaido is currently winning 3-0

I personally don't want Luffy to win 1v1, he is still not there yet. Zoro and Luffy vs Kaido would make much more sense imo. And it will give Zoro a chance to improve his coc (possibly learns adv coc) and completely tame Enma.

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Aug 5, 2021 12:41 PM

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Crocodile had Luffy 3-1 without the help of Robin xD

I don't mind at all. We knew beforehand that there was no way that Luffy couldn't win alone. He's simply not there yet. According do Oda himself, he doesn't like to write a story where the protagonist is too strong. He also said if Akainu was the protagonist he could put an end to One Piece within a year, lol. Blackbeard is most likely going to be the final opponent Luffy beats on his own.

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Aug 5, 2021 1:53 PM

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Sahykideleek said:
Alright guys I'm feeling a little conflicted. At this point even if Luffy beats Kaido. It will feel kinda lackluster. Kaido has him 2-0 right now. Could've killed him twice. And yes I know. He had the chance but didn't kill him. Whatever.
But it just seems like such a hollow victory. Same with Katakuri. To me. Luffy did not "WIN" the Katakuri fight. He lived. But didn't win. I feel like Doflamingo was the last person Luffy truly defeated. I mean of course he defeated a good amount of people in between. But I'm talking BIG battles. You know what I'm talking about. Does anyone get what I'm saying? I'm not trashing One Piece at all. I love One Piece.

But that's just how his battles have been coming across lately. I also feel like he just isn't strong enough to do it by himself. But I also get that Kaido has been weakened by fighting so many people. Idk I have alot of thoughts on this.

Moral of the story is HOW DO YOU THINK KAIDO WILL BE DEFEATED?!

I dont see Kaido suffering from other fight too much his regeneration is too good he seems more like almost fresh.One way I could see him down is BM betraying ,injuring him and stealing road of poneglyph,though i dont want this option.But if elbaf is next on list this could be possible.

Gear 5 or devil awakening is must according to me .

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Aug 5, 2021 7:41 PM

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I don't think luffy will be the one who will defeat kaido, even after acquiring gear 5 luffy will not be capable of defeating kaido. Why?
Because right now we are watching one piece emperors saga and I think blackbeard will come after kaido's devil fruit at the end of war and not only will blackbeard take over kaido's devil fruit but big mom's devil fruit as well and after that he will try to kill luffy but at that time our hero shanks will arrive on the battlefield to save luffy and that will make all four emperors together at one place and then the worst thing will happen to luffy. Shanks will be killed by blackbeard and that will be end of beast pirates, big mom pirates & red hair pirates and this will bring end to emproros saga with all three emproros end up dead.

I know it's the most f**ked up theory you have ever heard, even I don't think this theory will come true but this is emprors saga so I think all the emproros will come at one place.

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Aug 6, 2021 7:34 PM

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Ginsoka said:
One thing I dislike about OP is that luffy wins again seemingly invincible enemies all the time. Plus this arc is too dragged, they should end it already

excuse me ?

Luffy "wins against seemingly invincible enemies all the time" ?????

What the-- ...you read One Piece right ? Are you sure ?

1)Luffy barely even win against Katakuri bruh

2) He literally ran away from Big Mom in WCI arc

3) Kaido KO-d him like 3 times already and i bet he wont beat Kaido (alone) even after chapter 1021

4) This arc is dragged ???? Wano was mentioned back in Thriller Bark arc , it has been built up since Punk Hazard , what "dragged" ???? Wano is a big arc , ofc its long , dragged my ass xD , PLUS , Wano is one of the best arc since the timeskip , what else do you want ??

I mean come on , i know its your opinion but your statements are baseless

FansofeverythingAug 6, 2021 7:39 PM

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Aug 6, 2021 11:23 PM

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Kozuki_0den said:

Ginsoka said:
One thing I dislike about OP is that luffy wins again seemingly invincible enemies all the time. Plus this arc is too dragged, they should end it already

Greatly replied and check that guy account(Ginsoka), he haven't even reached thriller Bark yet and commenting on wano arc!!

Aug 7, 2021 2:18 AM

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"if it's 1v1, bet on kaido"

if they take down kaido, i want it to be a group effort like luffy, zoro, law, kidd, yamato vs kaido. anything less is bs...luffy should not be able to close the gap so soon to 1v1 him

Aug 7, 2021 5:38 PM

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harshtruth said:
"if it's 1v1, bet on kaido"

if they take down kaido, i want it to be a group effort like luffy, zoro, law, kidd, yamato vs kaido. anything less is bs...luffy should not be able to close the gap so soon to 1v1 him

To be fair Kaido has already suffered some damage from the scabbards and the other supernovas (Law's gamma knife!). At this point even if Luffy manages to beat Kaido alone i won't complain personally. After this arc it won't be long until Luffy will have to become Pirate King, the moment to become strong is now or never.

Kidd and Law already have their hands full with Big Mom. Zoro will probably fight King after he gets that drug. Marco could come in Luffy's help, but after holding down 2 emperor commanders at once he probably is not completely in top shape right now. There really are few who can help Luffy in this situation.

Aug 7, 2021 11:00 PM

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Idk bout his hybrid form but kaido's dragon form is slashable so maybe he will be defeated by a slash of sword(?)

Aug 8, 2021 12:33 AM

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It's for the best Luffy doesn't 1v1 Kaido. Kaido is Arguably the strongest in the verse.
It fits in thematically with the story. The Pirate King is supposed to be somone who can unite allies.

Luffy's been beaten three times if you count the time he ran out of Haki on the rooftop.

Luffy totally won the Katakuri fight. He didn't kill Luffy due to mutal respect. Not just anyone can get back up and fight again. Katakuri stabbed himself because his imouto interfered.

Aug 9, 2021 2:04 AM

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Ginsoka said:
One thing I dislike about OP is that luffy wins again seemingly invincible enemies all the time. Plus this arc is too dragged, they should end it already

Yeah, dude. He absolutely wrecked Aokiji, Kizaru on Shabody, Magellan in Impel Down and the admirals on Marine Ford.

Dude, come on. Luffy has lost quite a few times against enemies too strong for him, even in clear 1vs1 fights. His loss against Aokiji prompted him to learn new techniques which lead to Gear 2 and 3.

Also, the arc is long because it's bridging One Piece into the Endgame. The arc has about 30 chapters left and we all need the rest of the strawhats to get their 1vs1 fights which haven't happened in quite some time. Robin finally got her first fight in like 17 years.

People who complain about the length of the arc, wishing it to end, are the same ones who complain about everything being rushed when the arc is finished, if the creator did it like that. Remember Whole Cake Island and how people wanted to end already, before Luffy vs Katakuri happened? there is a good reason why readers are not writers.

I would also recommend you to take a break from the arc, if it's dragging on. Or rereading it from beginning. Wano was a 5/10 arc for me when 995 happened and then I read the entire arc from beginning to the current chapter and it elevated to an 8.5/10. This happens quite a lot with OP's later arcs. They are so much better in finished form than reading it for weekly.

Just take a break if it's too much for you. There is nothing wrong with that.

MorayneAug 9, 2021 2:09 AM

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