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CloverWorks at it again?! Content skipped/changed - episode 4 [MANGA SPOILERS with spoiler tags]

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May 1, 2021 12:25 PM
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[EDIT, as of may 3, 2021] As it became known by the author of the series, the skipped content will likely be re-integrated into the story later (if season 2 happens). In other words, the deviation from the source is now believed to be "not critical" and we shouldn't expect the same awful treatment as PN season 2.

(The following is the original post, before the tweet from the author became known)

Whether it's a studio's fault or somebody else's, Cloverworks is seemingly digging its own grave with butchered adaptations.
Now this may not be as bad as the promised neverland season 2, but I'm seriously concerned about the future of this show!
I seriously had a PTSD when instead of a
a regular "mute doll" appeared before the 3 kids and THAT WAS IT!
In other words, they CUT an important character out of the story AGAIN. Why do they keep doing this??????
This is a MAJOR change, AGAIN, that is CRUCIAL in later episodes as it helps develop main freaking characters and is basically needed to drive the plot further!


This scene made me freeze in fear, to be honest. I remembered the infamous, dreadful bunker episode from PN2 and an EMPTY camera-room that signaled a disaster!

Did they F@CK up again?
Or am I being too dramatic about it?
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May 1, 2021 12:35 PM
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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Whether it's a studio's fault or somebody else's, Cloverworks is seemingly digging its own grave with butchered adaptations.
Now this may not be as bad as the promised neverland season 2, but I'm seriously concerned about the future of this show!
I seriously had a PTSD when instead of a
a regular "mute doll" appeared before the 3 kids and THAT WAS IT!
In other words, they CUT an important character out of the story AGAIN. Why do they keep doing this??????
This is a MAJOR change, AGAIN, that is CRUCIAL in later episodes as it helps develop main freaking characters and is basically needed to drive the plot further!


This scene made me freeze in fear, to be honest. I remembered the infamous, dreadful bunker episode from PN2 and an EMPTY camera-room that signaled a disaster!

Did they F@CK it up again?
Or am I being too dramatic about it?


I have my full thoughts on it in the episode discussion. Yes, it's pretty baffling, but I don't think it will wreck the series. That's also probably because I never thought we'd get a second season, even when the anime was announced. it's not as bad as the omission of Yuugo and Goldy Pond, but time will tell. let's just see how the "debut" goes first.
May 1, 2021 12:40 PM
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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Whether it's a studio's fault or somebody else's, Cloverworks is seemingly digging its own grave with butchered adaptations.
Now this may not be as bad as the promised neverland season 2, but I'm seriously concerned about the future of this show!
I seriously had a PTSD when instead of a
a regular "mute doll" appeared before the 3 kids and THAT WAS IT!
In other words, they CUT an important character out of the story AGAIN. Why do they keep doing this??????
This is a MAJOR change, AGAIN, that is CRUCIAL in later episodes as it helps develop main freaking characters and is basically needed to drive the plot further!


This scene made me freeze in fear, to be honest. I remembered the infamous, dreadful bunker episode from PN2 and an EMPTY camera-room that signaled a disaster!

Did they F@CK up again?
Or am I being too dramatic about it?



I was legit surprised myself too. Not sure how they will cover the rest of this adaptation. Cloverworks are picking up one series to adapt after another just so they could create a flashy marketing productions. And it's like a habit.

I'm sure there will be even more people picking up the manga at this point once they discovered the glaring changes made on this episode.
May 1, 2021 12:40 PM
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Oh man, now I won't be able to sleep soundly until the final episode arrives xD. This better not go PN season 2 route or I'll never forgive the Japanese! xD

Fingers F-ing crossed! :(
May 1, 2021 12:50 PM
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from now on they can just make the remaining episode fanservice, lets make the debut a strip session on the beach, and it will still be better than what they probably have in store for us
May 1, 2021 1:05 PM
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Really liked the episode... then I see were skipping content in the forum... oh boy...
May 1, 2021 1:16 PM
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I did not see the spoilers, but does this character appears in the OP?
May 1, 2021 1:18 PM
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This show is an adaptation. What they include is at the discretion of the studio. Personally, I don’t find watching an anime that is an exact copy of its source material, Rent-A-Girlfriend for example, very exciting.
May 1, 2021 1:18 PM
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I lost respect for cloverworks ages ago




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May 1, 2021 1:19 PM
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DimmuOli said:
I did not see the spoilers, but does this character appears in the OP?


There's no way to answer that question without spoiling in some way
May 1, 2021 1:23 PM
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Wen_tnuocca said:
This show is an adaptation. What they include is at the discretion of the studio. Personally, I don’t find watching an anime that is an exact copy of its source material, Rent-A-Girlfriend for example, very exciting.


Pointless and dumb comment. If you clearly don't know what's going on then don't point out something that's vey much not the case with this specific situation.

Also even more of a nonsense when it's clear from your MAL list that you're not a source reader type. So which one other than Rent-a-Girlfriend exactly have you enjoyed the source material to be able to claim that without it just being hypocritical?
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It's not an overreaction. As a manga reader, I'm disappointed as well, and so are a lot of Japanese fans I heard. The Shadows House Discord ain't so happy about it either. Only anime-only viewers win in this case :')
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Damn. I was loving this too. Cloverworks had potential to be one of my favorite studios.

CloverWorks has a thing for screwing with anime.
I gave up on character of the week since it takes too much thinking. I'll just change my forum pfp to whoever I want every week lol.
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ManWild said:
I lost respect for cloverworks ages ago


CloverWorks is literally two years old, how?
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needfoundfamily said:
It's not an overreaction. As a manga reader, I'm disappointed as well, and so are a lot of Japanese fans I heard. The Shadows House Discord ain't so happy about it either. Only anime-only viewers win in this case :')


Tbh they don't even win, that's good content they cut out. It's actually part of Emilico growth too. She even used it at the debut.
May 1, 2021 1:33 PM

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they are just doing the marketing, that happens when Aniplex owns you.
CloverWorks for me is still a good and talented studio. I'm just wondering now how they gonna continue with SH. The animation and the song are still great.
May 1, 2021 1:42 PM
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ItsNoux said:
they are just doing the marketing, that happens when Aniplex owns you.
CloverWorks for me is still a good and talented studio. I'm just wondering now how they gonna continue with SH. The animation and the song are still great.


Yeah, the opening and the ending songs slaps hard. Even the visuals for it too. Well, let's just enjoy it while it's still running.
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People tend to blame the studios when certain content is skipped whereas that's quite false, the problem lies with the producers/production committee. For all we know, CloverWorks might not have any say on the matter.
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Here's how I see they can fix this. I've decided to hope for the best.
MANGA SPOILER
May 1, 2021 2:02 PM

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Oh, I may know why they cut this.
I remember how people in manga discussion wondered how anime would adapt this chapter without revealing the GENDER of the person! Obviously, in manga we couldn't figure that out, but in anime they would've figured it out easier perhaps? Could this be the real reason..? I wonder...
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Jezz guys Cloverworks made one, ONE bad show and that was TPN2 and suddenly its "I am losing faith in the entire studio" adaptations change things all the time, dont pretend that this is unique to cloverworks. It's a bit early to start jumping to conclusions.
Try to remember the sheer amount of good shows this studio has made in just the last few seasons alone and put a little more trust in the staff.
Every studio and I mean every studio eventually makes a show no one likes, cloverworks made TPN2 don't let that botched sequal define the legacy of the entire studio, that same season gave us Wonder Egg and Hrimiya from the same studio. Just sit back and wait, no need to be so godam critical all the time. Yall are effectively overreacting from one cut or changed scene. I can think of a similar scene change in Re:Zero and that did not kill the entire show. Get your heads out of your behinds and wait.
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@Lumpology They F-d up with Wonder Egg's final episode too though. They had to postpone it for reasons. It is yet to air and we can only hope that in 1 hour runtime they'll deliver a worthy conclusion to the story.

Darling in the FranXX was good though, and Yakusoku no Neverland season 1 was amazing as well. I'm still hoping that the change made here will be "fixed" later, but will seriously be mad if we get TPN2-ed yet again!
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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Here's how I see they can fix this. I've decided to hope for the best.
MANGA SPOILER


It's unnecessary to think about this. Because there is no way we will reach the point where the character returns in only 13 episodes. I've made my calculations and the anime should end around the late 40s ~ early 50s chapters, before any of the stuff you mentioned becomes relevant.
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JGChaves said:
Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Here's how I see they can fix this. I've decided to hope for the best.
MANGA SPOILER


It's unnecessary to think about this. Because there is no way we will reach the point where the character returns in only 13 episodes. I've made my calculations and the anime should end around the late 40s ~ early 50s chapters, before any of the stuff you mentioned becomes relevant.
It's unnecessary If we convince ourselves that season 2 will never happen.
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WHY DO THEY ALWAYS DO THIS??
WHATS THE MYSTERY GOING TO BE ABOUT IN THE NEXT 11 FRICKING EPISODES OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE FAN SERVICE! JUST ADDAPT IT LIKE THE MANGA
FIRST TPN NOW SHADOWS HOUSE ITS SUCH A GOOD MANGA HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T RUIN IT
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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
JGChaves said:


It's unnecessary to think about this. Because there is no way we will reach the point where the character returns in only 13 episodes. I've made my calculations and the anime should end around the late 40s ~ early 50s chapters, before any of the stuff you mentioned becomes relevant.
It's unnecessary If we convince ourselves that season 2 will never happen.


unfortunately I don't believe we will get a second season. I thought that back at the start. hell I'm still amazed we got an anime at all. But to also leave the show with just one season would also be stupid, because that's the equivalent of ending The Promised Neverland Season 1 before they escape Grace Field House. it's like why even air a show like that in the first place.
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Blue_Flame18 said:
People tend to blame the studios when certain content is skipped whereas that's quite false, the problem lies with the producers/production committee. For all we know, CloverWorks might not have any say on the matter.


no surprise. true to everything else in life, it's faceless entities like a "production committee" that screw everything up. people need a scapegoat, and with an amorphous group like that I guess it's harder to have accountability. Shame for people who need an identifiable group to direct their wrath at.
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Froz3npancake said:
Really liked the episode... then I see were skipping content in the forum... oh boy...

basically neverland season 2 for me. Sometimes manga readers complain too much
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Lumpology said:
Jezz guys Cloverworks made one, ONE bad show and that was TPN2 and suddenly its "I am losing faith in the entire studio" adaptations change things all the time, dont pretend that this is unique to cloverworks. It's a bit early to start jumping to conclusions.
Try to remember the sheer amount of good shows this studio has made in just the last few seasons alone and put a little more trust in the staff.
Every studio and I mean every studio eventually makes a show no one likes, cloverworks made TPN2 don't let that botched sequal define the legacy of the entire studio, that same season gave us Wonder Egg and Hrimiya from the same studio. Just sit back and wait, no need to be so godam critical all the time. Yall are effectively overreacting from one cut or changed scene. I can think of a similar scene change in Re:Zero and that did not kill the entire show. Get your heads out of your behinds and wait.


Weird that you would mention Wonder Egg considering that it went down hill.
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Yrafaxd said:
Froz3npancake said:
Really liked the episode... then I see were skipping content in the forum... oh boy...

basically neverland season 2 for me. Sometimes manga readers complain too much


If you've never tasted Asian chestnuts would you know how much better they taste than western ones? The answer is no.

That said, when it comes to TPN I think the manga is awful anyway. So however the anime got butchered isn't a huge lost because the author already did it to their own manga.
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Haven't watched the anime yet but the manga got me absolutely hooked months before the anime was announced so this sounds concerning to me.

It's possible that they don't really have plans to make another season with how they omitted a plot point that's very important for the long term, oof. I'd still like the anime as a whole but it's still unfortunate especially if the character's completely written out. Cloverworks plz








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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@Lumpology They F-d up with Wonder Egg's final episode too though. They had to postpone it for reasons. It is yet to air and we can only hope that in 1 hour runtime they'll deliver a worthy conclusion to the story.

Darling in the FranXX was good though, and Yakusoku no Neverland season 1 was amazing as well. I'm still hoping that the change made here will be "fixed" later, but will seriously be mad if we get TPN2-ed yet again!
producers and the writer is to blame too not the studio is sole aggregator. If you need goldy pond arc its available on mobile game its animated and colored

DukeofWalton said:
Sigmar-Unberogen said:
It's unnecessary If we convince ourselves that season 2 will never happen.


unfortunately I don't believe we will get a second season. I thought that back at the start. hell I'm still amazed we got an anime at all. But to also leave the show with just one season would also be stupid, because that's the equivalent of ending The Promised Neverland Season 1 before they escape Grace Field House. it's like why even air a show like that in the first place.
because that is the norm of anime adaption to promote the manga. Its not the first time to happen like majority of 1 season then no sequel are a thing ages ago lol

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Manga purist you need to not exaggarate things because they can insert Robe sama because you spoiled like whiners in twitter with cancel woke culture.

And this anime gonna ends on 48 probably and no second season type of anime, which is sad . And Robe sama is not relevant this season clowns.
wtf? spoiled? read the title maybe? This isn't twitter and you're assuming things about people. If you rage this much about civil discussion, maybe you should stay away from threads, Jesus...
P.S clowns? -_- Look who's talking.
I mean, "If you need goldy pond arc its available on mobile game its animated and colored" is this supposed to be a joke?
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Lumpology said:
Jezz guys Cloverworks made one, ONE bad show and that was TPN2 and suddenly its "I am losing faith in the entire studio" adaptations change things all the time, dont pretend that this is unique to cloverworks. It's a bit early to start jumping to conclusions.
Try to remember the sheer amount of good shows this studio has made in just the last few seasons alone and put a little more trust in the staff.
Every studio and I mean every studio eventually makes a show no one likes, cloverworks made TPN2 don't let that botched sequal define the legacy of the entire studio, that same season gave us Wonder Egg and Hrimiya from the same studio. Just sit back and wait, no need to be so godam critical all the time. Yall are effectively overreacting from one cut or changed scene. I can think of a similar scene change in Re:Zero and that did not kill the entire show. Get your heads out of your behinds and wait.


You do realize Horimiya was also rushed as hell right. They literally skipped 70+ chapters between the last 2 episodes, It legit had potential to be as big as Kaguya if they gave it more seasons but they didn't. Their production schedule behind Wonder Egg is also really messed up, considering the last episode is taking months to come out. This is going to be the third popular anime that they'll be butchering.
horimiya ends chapter to parralel the anime ending. And manga readers said that after the proposal are omakes and filler that does not add to the story. Which I think it is sad but the production committee wants to end at the same time as anime for bossting the manga.


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I don't know man. I think you are being pretty dramatic about it, like Twitter levels of dramatic.
Let's just watch and see what happens instead of overreacting so early.
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I don't know man. I think you are being pretty dramatic about it, like Twitter levels of dramatic.
Let's just watch and see what happens instead of overreacting so early.


but why would any fan watch it beyond this point, what is the pleasure in watching what you love getting butchered, and a fair portion of us have ptsd after yakunebas2
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Judevin said:
I don't know man. I think you are being pretty dramatic about it, like Twitter levels of dramatic.
Let's just watch and see what happens instead of overreacting so early.


but why would any fan watch it beyond this point, what is the pleasure in watching what you love getting butchered, and a fair portion of us have ptsd after yakunebas2
Because I'm still enjoying watching it.
Yeah they cut out a character, but unlike TPN S2, I am enjoying Shadows House anime a lot, to the point that it's my top 5 this season so far, which is why I will keep watching it, and it doesn't feel butchered to me at all. And I say that as someone who DOES read the manga for this.
I just don't find it that big of a deal, sorry for not sharing your outrage I guess.
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The anime ep wasn't bad at all. I am just concerned because of the studio's previous track record and as someone who enjoyed the direction that the manga took with that character. I wouldn't give up on the anime but I would be a little bit concerned.
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Judevin said:
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but why would any fan watch it beyond this point, what is the pleasure in watching what you love getting butchered, and a fair portion of us have ptsd after yakunebas2
Because I'm still enjoying watching it.
Yeah they cut out a character, but unlike TPN S2, I am enjoying Shadows House anime a lot, to the point that it's my top 5 this season so far, which is why I will keep watching it, and it doesn't feel butchered to me at all. And I say that as someone who DOES read the manga for this.
I just don't find it that big of a deal, sorry for not sharing your outrage I guess.


let's see if you still enjoy it couple of eps from now when it goes anime only route
kate has "something she wants to do" is a line that didn't appear in the manga at this time and in this context, it's a good indicative of cloverworks doing their thing again

reminder that yakuneba2 was enjoyable too until they went anime original
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Because I'm still enjoying watching it.
Yeah they cut out a character, but unlike TPN S2, I am enjoying Shadows House anime a lot, to the point that it's my top 5 this season so far, which is why I will keep watching it, and it doesn't feel butchered to me at all. And I say that as someone who DOES read the manga for this.
I just don't find it that big of a deal, sorry for not sharing your outrage I guess.


let's see if you still enjoy it couple of eps from now when it goes anime only route
kate has "something she wants to do" is a line that didn't appear in the manga at this time and in this context, it's a good indicative of cloverworks doing their thing again

reminder that yakuneba2 was enjoyable too until they went anime original
I enjoyed TPN2 lol, even if it wasn't very good, but neither was the manga so I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy SH even if it goes anime original.

Not everyone cares about perfect manga adaptations, man. Sorry.
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so they asked him to write a script without any loose ends because they don't want to get people interested in manga and are most certainly not planning for season 2
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It was the author's decision to change the script of episode 4 (based on what I read in his twitter). If we have season 2 in the future, the author will try his best to reconnect with season 1. No one is to blame
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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
Oh, I may know why they cut this.
I remember how people in manga discussion wondered how anime would adapt this chapter without revealing the GENDER of the person! Obviously, in manga we couldn't figure that out, but in anime they would've figured it out easier perhaps? Could this be the real reason..? I wonder...

That is definitely not a real reason, the manga made careful note to mention that the figures voice was hoarse and unable to tell the gender

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chriskor022 said:
Manga purist you need to not exaggarate things because they can insert Robe sama because you spoiled like whiners in twitter with cancel woke culture.

And this anime gonna ends on 48 probably and no second season type of anime, which is sad . And Robe sama is not relevant this season clowns.


And? You are little saying the reason why anyone who care about the series at all should care about this. Dumb and cancerous comment.
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Lumpology said:
Jezz guys Cloverworks made one, ONE bad show and that was TPN2 and suddenly its "I am losing faith in the entire studio" adaptations change things all the time, dont pretend that this is unique to cloverworks. It's a bit early to start jumping to conclusions.
Try to remember the sheer amount of good shows this studio has made in just the last few seasons alone and put a little more trust in the staff.
Every studio and I mean every studio eventually makes a show no one likes, cloverworks made TPN2 don't let that botched sequal define the legacy of the entire studio, that same season gave us Wonder Egg and Hrimiya from the same studio. Just sit back and wait, no need to be so godam critical all the time. Yall are effectively overreacting from one cut or changed scene. I can think of a similar scene change in Re:Zero and that did not kill the entire show. Get your heads out of your behinds and wait.

They actually don’t know that TPN2 was scripted and supervised by the author himself, so basically it is his fault
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So far, the adaptation is excellent. Non manga reader can still enjoy it. They may add what was missing later. Even if it's super rare for anime adaptation which deviate from source material to be good. But I still give anime the benefit of the doubt for now.
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chriskor022 said:
Manga purist you need to not exaggarate things because they can insert Robe sama because you spoiled like whiners in twitter with cancel woke culture.

And this anime gonna ends on 48 probably and no second season type of anime, which is sad . And Robe sama is not relevant this season clowns.


And? You are little saying the reason why anyone who care about the series at all should care about this. Dumb.
which you are dumbass. Imagine canceling a studio because they cut the character which was relevant when S2 comes. When they gonna connect it while weird its better than total cut. Just read the author statement on twitter.


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It was the author's decision to change the script of episode 4 (based on what I read in his twitter). If we have season 2 in the future, the author will try his best to reconnect with season 1. No one is to blame


Not the author's decision. They clearly said they were forced.
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Yrafaxd said:
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Really liked the episode... then I see were skipping content in the forum... oh boy...

basically neverland season 2 for me. Sometimes manga readers complain too much


Except no one's complaining about the quality of the show. People are complaining abaout chances of troubles in season 2 and beyond. Why do anime-onlies love to make it about their own experience?
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Ehm i think the show will be end at debut
So, thats why they didn't include robed shadow shama
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