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Will it go down as a Classic After Anime Ends?(With Additional Explanations)
Yes a Classic
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Nope
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Apr 23, 2021 9:52 AM
#51
AnimeLeviathan said: Scordolo said: I think it is already accepted as a classic in the community.Even Gigguk admitted. Why you gotta say "admitted" like that lmao. LOL I didn't mean it that way. |
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Apr 23, 2021 10:12 AM
#52
hamza121419 said: imbAF said: hamza121419 said: Abd778881121 said: the destination is as important as the journey, i'll even say the destination is more important. Your journey won't have any meaning if the destination has retconed most of it. A great journey is the one you can repeat over and over, but with a very bad ending you can't no more find rexperiencing the story any worth because you know it leads to nothing good, you can't even enjoy your best moments the same way because you know they exist for nothing.Dankshin0bi said: Yo haven't you heard it's not about the destination it's about the journey....what century r u living inIt’s not about you you start a story, it’s about how it ENDS. Therefore no it is not a masterpiece and it will not go down in history, might be historically fucked for dropping the ball on the last 3 chapter SPOILER : THE ENDING AND WHAT IT ACHIEVED : 1. Titan curse removed. 2. Eren saved as many of his friends as he could (his main goal). 3. Eren wiped out 80% of the world populatin. The rest 20% after a cataclysmic event that has destroyed or nearly the eceosystem will have to deal with famine, no shelter, insane amount of diseases mainly from the insane amount of corpses human or animal. Also they don't have land to farm, or the necessery infrastructure to create a military, etc etc. Basically the majority of the world is in the condition that Japan was after the hiroshima nagasaki event. Only the scale right now is out of proportions.In other words more people will die after the rumbling is done. Meanwhile Paradis has land to farm, infrastructure, is a military superpower, has the hizuru scientists and resources such as Iceburst stone. So basically all that Paradis needs to do is to have nuclear weapons which would act as a deterrent against any upcoming thread. 4. Potentially Eren achieved Freedom for his people. If he would have done 100% of the Rumbling then eventually war between the eldians of Paradis would have broken out.As we saw there were already 2 fractions which were against each other. Now, at 80% Rumbling the eldians of Paradis have to be united against the thread of what it is left from the world but at the same time, there exists the possibility of them being free to visit and roam the planet through talks and truces. 5. The yeager fraction, which is directly inspired and created under him, are the main driving force of Paradis. I think Eren had a bit of an impact, would you say? 1) titan curse removed yes but how, it was removed because the one responsible for it removed it because she was waiting 2000 to saw a girl killing her lover in order to get free from Stockholm syndrom. This is peak writing. And all of this was juqt introduced in the last chapters, aot was never about this crap. The solution doesn't take in consideration any of the themes established before, and instead we were given a ridiculous end game that has nothing to do with the story. 2) he didn't save anyone destiny did, eren had no free will whatsoever to save anyone he was just a slave of the forced time traved shit that makes no sense, he was a slave of what ymir did with the paths, a slave of plot conveniences, he was just a plot device not a character at all. 3) you see how the destroyed ecosystem will cause problems not only for the other ones that survived, but also for eldiens themselves. And that the peace achieved is no more than temporary, and that zeke's plan or any other plan where you just threaten the world with the rumbling could have led to the same result. So there was no achievement at all with the 80% rumbling. War will go on as the cycle of hatred wasn't broken and isayama said it in the epilog. So nothing new has been achieved. 4)"eren achieved freedom for his people" don't make me laugh, there is nothing of freedom in aot, this was the biggest lie isayama came up with, no one was free in the series and the ending didn't change that. Free from what? What has changed? They are now under a fascist government that will do the same things done before, where is this freedom? Internal problems will always remain and this hasn't been approached at all. There will always be people forcing others to do things. 5) that yeager faction is the same as the marley's military and the same as every government the story showed. Nothing has changed. The show didn't accomplish anything at all especially thematically or in terms of messages the writer wants to convey. Isayama had nothing to add, he only raised some questions earlier and answered none of them. He raised the theme of freedom and throwed it to the window with the time travel shit and the way he wrote everything as predestined. The last arc had the biggest amount of plot holes and contradictions i've ever seen from what used to be a great story. "eren said he will let the fredom of his friends yet he manipulated their memories" "he said that he will destroy everyone who wants to take his freedom yet he was from the beginning a slave to destiny and yumir, he should have went against the founder and defied the flow of events she created not giving up and following her. There were so many options to change things and there was nothing that tells it's impossible to change past, the whole story about past and future is not explained" "him blaming reiner of the death of his mom while he was the one who killed her is just ridiculous and ruins that scene now" " tatake, tatake, this is the most ridiculous quote of the show, you were not fighting eren, you were just following things, fighting is something that comes with choice not predestined" "the ymir story and interference in the plot is ridiculous, she wasn't a character at all just a plot device. She never talked nor we saw her thoughts. She was there doing everything for the plot just like that. And if there is something you can't explain, only ymir knows" "eren did the rumbling without having an idea of why he did it, this is ridiculous and joins the idea that eren was just a plot device not a character with real motivations and personality" "his primary motivations are fake and does not make any sense because it's not human at all, he killed his mother to motivate his old self in order to let things go as predestinated, what a shitty and meaningless writing" "the characters didn't do anything to make the plot move, it was all done by ymir and her slave eren and of course the final blow was done by mikassa who had no development through the whole series. Armin was useless since he got the injection, levi's existence was to kill zeke, zeke was just a plot device to activate the rumbling, hunge did nothing and died meaninglessly, reiner had no development since marley arc, falco was just there to turn into the ridiculous flying titan, gabi didn't play any role at all, jean and connie was just there watching, they was turnes into titans in 138 to get back conveniently in 139 with no explanation of where the fuck is the worm and how did it disappeared......." This story should have ended in s3 p2, because everything pass that is meaningless and serves for nothing. It would have been way better to end it in the beach scene leaving it wide open rather than doing things that the writer has no idea about. Isayama was too ambitious and wanted to do things differently but he didn't have a clue of what to do with those things, he didn't have an idea of how to end the story in a human and meaningful way. All he wants is to hurt and betray the reader and he did achieve that. You are totally wrong, about mostly everything but i am to lazy to re elaborate. AS for Ymir, if you are born a slave, how can you know what freedom is? If you are treated as a slave and then suddenly the guy who is you master, treats you bettern, you would think he is giving you the world. But i guess this is the result when you read only 1 book xD. But as i said everything you mentioned makes zero sense. Ecosystem is in a near collapse not collapse. And ofc it has 0 plotholes. none, but still to lazy to elaborate now. Maybe later. But as i said everything you said is wrong. Simply because you do not understand why things happen=/=plot hole. Ymir was a slave and she saw herself in mikasa, and would mikasa be able to kill the most important person in her life, while seeing the crimes (though necessary) that he is committing? Would she be able to overcome her attachment and do the right thing, which is end the suffering. Which is exactly what has been happening to her. Ofc the cycle of hate won't stop, what do you think this is a fairy tail world like code geass? Had eren done 100% of the rumbling the eldians would eventually fight among themselves (the titan wars) or at 80% rumbling the Eldians will fight with the world. Again, not liking the story=/= plotholes. These were 2 examples that what you say makes no sense and you are totally wrong, but as i said i might reply to you later And again: LIST THE "PLOT HOLES". Judging by your logic: It was never hinted that Eren controlled Griesha= plot hole. What freedom did he achieve? Well Gabi and Falco and Levi have no armbands and they are equal to the rest of the human being. You think having done 100% of Rumbling would have brought freedom? What is this, a story you read to a 8 years old? And everyone lived happily ever after. Eren being a plot device can be translated as : DETERMINISM. Now whether the human life is deterministic or no, that is a 2000 years old problem or even older, since the greek antiquity, and NO ONE can say whether one is right and the other is wrong. It varies with people. Apparently Isayama believes in deterministic existence, i personally don't. Again you not liking the story=/= plotholes |
imbAFApr 23, 2021 10:29 AM
Apr 23, 2021 10:36 AM
#53
imbAF said: i don't know which kind of copium you take but maan your case is something else. Even the hard die fanboys of aot admit there are plot holes, but you calling there is 0 is the most ridiculous thing i've heard for a while, and of course you can't elaborate, because if you elaborate you're gonna make more plot holes than the existing ones. Anyway have a nice day, i'm done with fanboys like you who can't even make one meaningful sentence to argue with others criticizing their favorite show.hamza121419 said: imbAF said: hamza121419 said: Abd778881121 said: the destination is as important as the journey, i'll even say the destination is more important. Your journey won't have any meaning if the destination has retconed most of it. A great journey is the one you can repeat over and over, but with a very bad ending you can't no more find rexperiencing the story any worth because you know it leads to nothing good, you can't even enjoy your best moments the same way because you know they exist for nothing.Dankshin0bi said: Yo haven't you heard it's not about the destination it's about the journey....what century r u living inIt’s not about you you start a story, it’s about how it ENDS. Therefore no it is not a masterpiece and it will not go down in history, might be historically fucked for dropping the ball on the last 3 chapter SPOILER : THE ENDING AND WHAT IT ACHIEVED : 1. Titan curse removed. 2. Eren saved as many of his friends as he could (his main goal). 3. Eren wiped out 80% of the world populatin. The rest 20% after a cataclysmic event that has destroyed or nearly the eceosystem will have to deal with famine, no shelter, insane amount of diseases mainly from the insane amount of corpses human or animal. Also they don't have land to farm, or the necessery infrastructure to create a military, etc etc. Basically the majority of the world is in the condition that Japan was after the hiroshima nagasaki event. Only the scale right now is out of proportions.In other words more people will die after the rumbling is done. Meanwhile Paradis has land to farm, infrastructure, is a military superpower, has the hizuru scientists and resources such as Iceburst stone. So basically all that Paradis needs to do is to have nuclear weapons which would act as a deterrent against any upcoming thread. 4. Potentially Eren achieved Freedom for his people. If he would have done 100% of the Rumbling then eventually war between the eldians of Paradis would have broken out.As we saw there were already 2 fractions which were against each other. Now, at 80% Rumbling the eldians of Paradis have to be united against the thread of what it is left from the world but at the same time, there exists the possibility of them being free to visit and roam the planet through talks and truces. 5. The yeager fraction, which is directly inspired and created under him, are the main driving force of Paradis. I think Eren had a bit of an impact, would you say? 1) titan curse removed yes but how, it was removed because the one responsible for it removed it because she was waiting 2000 to saw a girl killing her lover in order to get free from Stockholm syndrom. This is peak writing. And all of this was juqt introduced in the last chapters, aot was never about this crap. The solution doesn't take in consideration any of the themes established before, and instead we were given a ridiculous end game that has nothing to do with the story. 2) he didn't save anyone destiny did, eren had no free will whatsoever to save anyone he was just a slave of the forced time traved shit that makes no sense, he was a slave of what ymir did with the paths, a slave of plot conveniences, he was just a plot device not a character at all. 3) you see how the destroyed ecosystem will cause problems not only for the other ones that survived, but also for eldiens themselves. And that the peace achieved is no more than temporary, and that zeke's plan or any other plan where you just threaten the world with the rumbling could have led to the same result. So there was no achievement at all with the 80% rumbling. War will go on as the cycle of hatred wasn't broken and isayama said it in the epilog. So nothing new has been achieved. 4)"eren achieved freedom for his people" don't make me laugh, there is nothing of freedom in aot, this was the biggest lie isayama came up with, no one was free in the series and the ending didn't change that. Free from what? What has changed? They are now under a fascist government that will do the same things done before, where is this freedom? Internal problems will always remain and this hasn't been approached at all. There will always be people forcing others to do things. 5) that yeager faction is the same as the marley's military and the same as every government the story showed. Nothing has changed. The show didn't accomplish anything at all especially thematically or in terms of messages the writer wants to convey. Isayama had nothing to add, he only raised some questions earlier and answered none of them. He raised the theme of freedom and throwed it to the window with the time travel shit and the way he wrote everything as predestined. The last arc had the biggest amount of plot holes and contradictions i've ever seen from what used to be a great story. "eren said he will let the fredom of his friends yet he manipulated their memories" "he said that he will destroy everyone who wants to take his freedom yet he was from the beginning a slave to destiny and yumir, he should have went against the founder and defied the flow of events she created not giving up and following her. There were so many options to change things and there was nothing that tells it's impossible to change past, the whole story about past and future is not explained" "him blaming reiner of the death of his mom while he was the one who killed her is just ridiculous and ruins that scene now" " tatake, tatake, this is the most ridiculous quote of the show, you were not fighting eren, you were just following things, fighting is something that comes with choice not predestined" "the ymir story and interference in the plot is ridiculous, she wasn't a character at all just a plot device. She never talked nor we saw her thoughts. She was there doing everything for the plot just like that. And if there is something you can't explain, only ymir knows" "eren did the rumbling without having an idea of why he did it, this is ridiculous and joins the idea that eren was just a plot device not a character with real motivations and personality" "his primary motivations are fake and does not make any sense because it's not human at all, he killed his mother to motivate his old self in order to let things go as predestinated, what a shitty and meaningless writing" "the characters didn't do anything to make the plot move, it was all done by ymir and her slave eren and of course the final blow was done by mikassa who had no development through the whole series. Armin was useless since he got the injection, levi's existence was to kill zeke, zeke was just a plot device to activate the rumbling, hunge did nothing and died meaninglessly, reiner had no development since marley arc, falco was just there to turn into the ridiculous flying titan, gabi didn't play any role at all, jean and connie was just there watching, they was turnes into titans in 138 to get back conveniently in 139 with no explanation of where the fuck is the worm and how did it disappeared......." This story should have ended in s3 p2, because everything pass that is meaningless and serves for nothing. It would have been way better to end it in the beach scene leaving it wide open rather than doing things that the writer has no idea about. Isayama was too ambitious and wanted to do things differently but he didn't have a clue of what to do with those things, he didn't have an idea of how to end the story in a human and meaningful way. All he wants is to hurt and betray the reader and he did achieve that. You are totally wrong, about mostly everything but i am to lazy to re elaborate. AS for Ymir, if you are born a slave, how can you know what freedom is? If you are treated as a slave and then suddenly the guy who is you master, treats you bettern, you would think he is giving you the world. But i guess this is the result when you read only 1 book xD. But as i said everything you mentioned makes zero sense. Ecosystem is in a near collapse not collapse. And ofc it has 0 plotholes. none, but still to lazy to elaborate |
Apr 23, 2021 10:38 AM
#54
| I feel like it's already around there. It's one of the most well known series ever |
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Apr 23, 2021 10:40 AM
#55
hamza121419 said: imbAF said: i don't know which kind of copium you take but maan your case is something else. Even the hard die fanboys of aot admit there are plot holes, but you calling there is 0 is the most ridiculous thing i've heard for a while, and of course you can't elaborate, because if you elaborate you're gonna make more plot holes than the existing ones. Anyway have a nice day, i'm done with fanboys like you who can't even make one meaningful sentence to argue with others criticizing their favorite show.hamza121419 said: imbAF said: hamza121419 said: Abd778881121 said: the destination is as important as the journey, i'll even say the destination is more important. Your journey won't have any meaning if the destination has retconed most of it. A great journey is the one you can repeat over and over, but with a very bad ending you can't no more find rexperiencing the story any worth because you know it leads to nothing good, you can't even enjoy your best moments the same way because you know they exist for nothing.Dankshin0bi said: Yo haven't you heard it's not about the destination it's about the journey....what century r u living inIt’s not about you you start a story, it’s about how it ENDS. Therefore no it is not a masterpiece and it will not go down in history, might be historically fucked for dropping the ball on the last 3 chapter SPOILER : THE ENDING AND WHAT IT ACHIEVED : 1. Titan curse removed. 2. Eren saved as many of his friends as he could (his main goal). 3. Eren wiped out 80% of the world populatin. The rest 20% after a cataclysmic event that has destroyed or nearly the eceosystem will have to deal with famine, no shelter, insane amount of diseases mainly from the insane amount of corpses human or animal. Also they don't have land to farm, or the necessery infrastructure to create a military, etc etc. Basically the majority of the world is in the condition that Japan was after the hiroshima nagasaki event. Only the scale right now is out of proportions.In other words more people will die after the rumbling is done. Meanwhile Paradis has land to farm, infrastructure, is a military superpower, has the hizuru scientists and resources such as Iceburst stone. So basically all that Paradis needs to do is to have nuclear weapons which would act as a deterrent against any upcoming thread. 4. Potentially Eren achieved Freedom for his people. If he would have done 100% of the Rumbling then eventually war between the eldians of Paradis would have broken out.As we saw there were already 2 fractions which were against each other. Now, at 80% Rumbling the eldians of Paradis have to be united against the thread of what it is left from the world but at the same time, there exists the possibility of them being free to visit and roam the planet through talks and truces. 5. The yeager fraction, which is directly inspired and created under him, are the main driving force of Paradis. I think Eren had a bit of an impact, would you say? 1) titan curse removed yes but how, it was removed because the one responsible for it removed it because she was waiting 2000 to saw a girl killing her lover in order to get free from Stockholm syndrom. This is peak writing. And all of this was juqt introduced in the last chapters, aot was never about this crap. The solution doesn't take in consideration any of the themes established before, and instead we were given a ridiculous end game that has nothing to do with the story. 2) he didn't save anyone destiny did, eren had no free will whatsoever to save anyone he was just a slave of the forced time traved shit that makes no sense, he was a slave of what ymir did with the paths, a slave of plot conveniences, he was just a plot device not a character at all. 3) you see how the destroyed ecosystem will cause problems not only for the other ones that survived, but also for eldiens themselves. And that the peace achieved is no more than temporary, and that zeke's plan or any other plan where you just threaten the world with the rumbling could have led to the same result. So there was no achievement at all with the 80% rumbling. War will go on as the cycle of hatred wasn't broken and isayama said it in the epilog. So nothing new has been achieved. 4)"eren achieved freedom for his people" don't make me laugh, there is nothing of freedom in aot, this was the biggest lie isayama came up with, no one was free in the series and the ending didn't change that. Free from what? What has changed? They are now under a fascist government that will do the same things done before, where is this freedom? Internal problems will always remain and this hasn't been approached at all. There will always be people forcing others to do things. 5) that yeager faction is the same as the marley's military and the same as every government the story showed. Nothing has changed. The show didn't accomplish anything at all especially thematically or in terms of messages the writer wants to convey. Isayama had nothing to add, he only raised some questions earlier and answered none of them. He raised the theme of freedom and throwed it to the window with the time travel shit and the way he wrote everything as predestined. The last arc had the biggest amount of plot holes and contradictions i've ever seen from what used to be a great story. "eren said he will let the fredom of his friends yet he manipulated their memories" "he said that he will destroy everyone who wants to take his freedom yet he was from the beginning a slave to destiny and yumir, he should have went against the founder and defied the flow of events she created not giving up and following her. There were so many options to change things and there was nothing that tells it's impossible to change past, the whole story about past and future is not explained" "him blaming reiner of the death of his mom while he was the one who killed her is just ridiculous and ruins that scene now" " tatake, tatake, this is the most ridiculous quote of the show, you were not fighting eren, you were just following things, fighting is something that comes with choice not predestined" "the ymir story and interference in the plot is ridiculous, she wasn't a character at all just a plot device. She never talked nor we saw her thoughts. She was there doing everything for the plot just like that. And if there is something you can't explain, only ymir knows" "eren did the rumbling without having an idea of why he did it, this is ridiculous and joins the idea that eren was just a plot device not a character with real motivations and personality" "his primary motivations are fake and does not make any sense because it's not human at all, he killed his mother to motivate his old self in order to let things go as predestinated, what a shitty and meaningless writing" "the characters didn't do anything to make the plot move, it was all done by ymir and her slave eren and of course the final blow was done by mikassa who had no development through the whole series. Armin was useless since he got the injection, levi's existence was to kill zeke, zeke was just a plot device to activate the rumbling, hunge did nothing and died meaninglessly, reiner had no development since marley arc, falco was just there to turn into the ridiculous flying titan, gabi didn't play any role at all, jean and connie was just there watching, they was turnes into titans in 138 to get back conveniently in 139 with no explanation of where the fuck is the worm and how did it disappeared......." This story should have ended in s3 p2, because everything pass that is meaningless and serves for nothing. It would have been way better to end it in the beach scene leaving it wide open rather than doing things that the writer has no idea about. Isayama was too ambitious and wanted to do things differently but he didn't have a clue of what to do with those things, he didn't have an idea of how to end the story in a human and meaningful way. All he wants is to hurt and betray the reader and he did achieve that. You are totally wrong, about mostly everything but i am to lazy to re elaborate. AS for Ymir, if you are born a slave, how can you know what freedom is? If you are treated as a slave and then suddenly the guy who is you master, treats you bettern, you would think he is giving you the world. But i guess this is the result when you read only 1 book xD. But as i said everything you mentioned makes zero sense. Ecosystem is in a near collapse not collapse. And ofc it has 0 plotholes. none, but still to lazy to elaborate STOP BEATING IT AROUND, LIST THE PLOTHOLES |
Apr 23, 2021 11:06 AM
#56
imbAF said: go back and reread my comment i listed a tone of plotholes but you seem not to even be able to read correctly.hamza121419 said: imbAF said: hamza121419 said: imbAF said: hamza121419 said: Abd778881121 said: the destination is as important as the journey, i'll even say the destination is more important. Your journey won't have any meaning if the destination has retconed most of it. A great journey is the one you can repeat over and over, but with a very bad ending you can't no more find rexperiencing the story any worth because you know it leads to nothing good, you can't even enjoy your best moments the same way because you know they exist for nothing.Dankshin0bi said: Yo haven't you heard it's not about the destination it's about the journey....what century r u living inIt’s not about you you start a story, it’s about how it ENDS. Therefore no it is not a masterpiece and it will not go down in history, might be historically fucked for dropping the ball on the last 3 chapter SPOILER : THE ENDING AND WHAT IT ACHIEVED : 1. Titan curse removed. 2. Eren saved as many of his friends as he could (his main goal). 3. Eren wiped out 80% of the world populatin. The rest 20% after a cataclysmic event that has destroyed or nearly the eceosystem will have to deal with famine, no shelter, insane amount of diseases mainly from the insane amount of corpses human or animal. Also they don't have land to farm, or the necessery infrastructure to create a military, etc etc. Basically the majority of the world is in the condition that Japan was after the hiroshima nagasaki event. Only the scale right now is out of proportions.In other words more people will die after the rumbling is done. Meanwhile Paradis has land to farm, infrastructure, is a military superpower, has the hizuru scientists and resources such as Iceburst stone. So basically all that Paradis needs to do is to have nuclear weapons which would act as a deterrent against any upcoming thread. 4. Potentially Eren achieved Freedom for his people. If he would have done 100% of the Rumbling then eventually war between the eldians of Paradis would have broken out.As we saw there were already 2 fractions which were against each other. Now, at 80% Rumbling the eldians of Paradis have to be united against the thread of what it is left from the world but at the same time, there exists the possibility of them being free to visit and roam the planet through talks and truces. 5. The yeager fraction, which is directly inspired and created under him, are the main driving force of Paradis. I think Eren had a bit of an impact, would you say? 1) titan curse removed yes but how, it was removed because the one responsible for it removed it because she was waiting 2000 to saw a girl killing her lover in order to get free from Stockholm syndrom. This is peak writing. And all of this was juqt introduced in the last chapters, aot was never about this crap. The solution doesn't take in consideration any of the themes established before, and instead we were given a ridiculous end game that has nothing to do with the story. 2) he didn't save anyone destiny did, eren had no free will whatsoever to save anyone he was just a slave of the forced time traved shit that makes no sense, he was a slave of what ymir did with the paths, a slave of plot conveniences, he was just a plot device not a character at all. 3) you see how the destroyed ecosystem will cause problems not only for the other ones that survived, but also for eldiens themselves. And that the peace achieved is no more than temporary, and that zeke's plan or any other plan where you just threaten the world with the rumbling could have led to the same result. So there was no achievement at all with the 80% rumbling. War will go on as the cycle of hatred wasn't broken and isayama said it in the epilog. So nothing new has been achieved. 4)"eren achieved freedom for his people" don't make me laugh, there is nothing of freedom in aot, this was the biggest lie isayama came up with, no one was free in the series and the ending didn't change that. Free from what? What has changed? They are now under a fascist government that will do the same things done before, where is this freedom? Internal problems will always remain and this hasn't been approached at all. There will always be people forcing others to do things. 5) that yeager faction is the same as the marley's military and the same as every government the story showed. Nothing has changed. The show didn't accomplish anything at all especially thematically or in terms of messages the writer wants to convey. Isayama had nothing to add, he only raised some questions earlier and answered none of them. He raised the theme of freedom and throwed it to the window with the time travel shit and the way he wrote everything as predestined. The last arc had the biggest amount of plot holes and contradictions i've ever seen from what used to be a great story. "eren said he will let the fredom of his friends yet he manipulated their memories" "he said that he will destroy everyone who wants to take his freedom yet he was from the beginning a slave to destiny and yumir, he should have went against the founder and defied the flow of events she created not giving up and following her. There were so many options to change things and there was nothing that tells it's impossible to change past, the whole story about past and future is not explained" "him blaming reiner of the death of his mom while he was the one who killed her is just ridiculous and ruins that scene now" " tatake, tatake, this is the most ridiculous quote of the show, you were not fighting eren, you were just following things, fighting is something that comes with choice not predestined" "the ymir story and interference in the plot is ridiculous, she wasn't a character at all just a plot device. She never talked nor we saw her thoughts. She was there doing everything for the plot just like that. And if there is something you can't explain, only ymir knows" "eren did the rumbling without having an idea of why he did it, this is ridiculous and joins the idea that eren was just a plot device not a character with real motivations and personality" "his primary motivations are fake and does not make any sense because it's not human at all, he killed his mother to motivate his old self in order to let things go as predestinated, what a shitty and meaningless writing" "the characters didn't do anything to make the plot move, it was all done by ymir and her slave eren and of course the final blow was done by mikassa who had no development through the whole series. Armin was useless since he got the injection, levi's existence was to kill zeke, zeke was just a plot device to activate the rumbling, hunge did nothing and died meaninglessly, reiner had no development since marley arc, falco was just there to turn into the ridiculous flying titan, gabi didn't play any role at all, jean and connie was just there watching, they was turnes into titans in 138 to get back conveniently in 139 with no explanation of where the fuck is the worm and how did it disappeared......." This story should have ended in s3 p2, because everything pass that is meaningless and serves for nothing. It would have been way better to end it in the beach scene leaving it wide open rather than doing things that the writer has no idea about. Isayama was too ambitious and wanted to do things differently but he didn't have a clue of what to do with those things, he didn't have an idea of how to end the story in a human and meaningful way. All he wants is to hurt and betray the reader and he did achieve that. You are totally wrong, about mostly everything but i am to lazy to re elaborate. AS for Ymir, if you are born a slave, how can you know what freedom is? If you are treated as a slave and then suddenly the guy who is you master, treats you bettern, you would think he is giving you the world. But i guess this is the result when you read only 1 book xD. But as i said everything you mentioned makes zero sense. Ecosystem is in a near collapse not collapse. And ofc it has 0 plotholes. none, but still to lazy to elaborate LIST THE PLOTHOLES. Edit : And i will elaborate, later today :) This is what i wrote earlier : "eren said he will let the fredom of his friends yet he manipulated their memories" "he said that he will destroy everyone who wants to take his freedom yet he was from the beginning a slave to destiny and yumir, he should have went against the founder and defied the flow of events she created not giving up and following her. There were so many options to change things and there was nothing that tells it's impossible to change past, the whole story about past and future is not explained" "him blaming reiner of the death of his mom while he was the one who killed her is just ridiculous and ruins that scene now" " tatake, tatake, this is the most ridiculous quote of the show, you were not fighting eren, you were just following things, fighting is something that comes with choice not predestined" "the ymir story and interference in the plot is ridiculous, she wasn't a character at all just a plot device. She never talked nor we saw her thoughts. She was there doing everything for the plot just like that. And if there is something you can't explain, only ymir knows" "eren did the rumbling without having an idea of why he did it, this is ridiculous and joins the idea that eren was just a plot device not a character with real motivations and personality" "his primary motivations are fake and does not make any sense because it's not human at all, he killed his mother to motivate his old self in order to let things go as predestinated, what a shitty and meaningless writing" "the characters didn't do anything to make the plot move, it was all done by ymir and her slave eren and of course the final blow was done by mikassa who had no development through the whole series. Armin was useless since he got the injection, levi's existence was to kill zeke, zeke was just a plot device to activate the rumbling, hunge did nothing and died meaninglessly, reiner had no development since marley arc, falco was just there to turn into the ridiculous flying titan, gabi didn't play any role at all, jean and connie was just there watching, they was turnes into titans in 138 to get back conveniently in 139 with no explanation of where the fuck is the worm and how did it disappeared......." But anyways i'm not gonna argue with you anymore you, you are just gonna say this is not a plot hole you just don't like the story and things like that. I can't argue with someone who thinks aot has 0 plotholes there is nothing i can say to you because i'm not able to cure people's blindness. You better see a doctor. |
Apr 23, 2021 11:09 AM
#57
| @imbAF and if you want more plotholes watch this video https://youtu.be/zZpONzfMbdc And then proove that there is no plotholes. |
Apr 23, 2021 11:24 AM
#58
hamza121419 said: imbAF said: go back and reread my comment i listed a tone of plotholes but you seem not to even be able to read correctly.hamza121419 said: imbAF said: i don't know which kind of copium you take but maan your case is something else. Even the hard die fanboys of aot admit there are plot holes, but you calling there is 0 is the most ridiculous thing i've heard for a while, and of course you can't elaborate, because if you elaborate you're gonna make more plot holes than the existing ones. Anyway have a nice day, i'm done with fanboys like you who can't even make one meaningful sentence to argue with others criticizing their favorite show.hamza121419 said: imbAF said: hamza121419 said: Abd778881121 said: the destination is as important as the journey, i'll even say the destination is more important. Your journey won't have any meaning if the destination has retconed most of it. A great journey is the one you can repeat over and over, but with a very bad ending you can't no more find rexperiencing the story any worth because you know it leads to nothing good, you can't even enjoy your best moments the same way because you know they exist for nothing.Dankshin0bi said: Yo haven't you heard it's not about the destination it's about the journey....what century r u living inIt’s not about you you start a story, it’s about how it ENDS. Therefore no it is not a masterpiece and it will not go down in history, might be historically fucked for dropping the ball on the last 3 chapter SPOILER : THE ENDING AND WHAT IT ACHIEVED : 1. Titan curse removed. 2. Eren saved as many of his friends as he could (his main goal). 3. Eren wiped out 80% of the world populatin. The rest 20% after a cataclysmic event that has destroyed or nearly the eceosystem will have to deal with famine, no shelter, insane amount of diseases mainly from the insane amount of corpses human or animal. Also they don't have land to farm, or the necessery infrastructure to create a military, etc etc. Basically the majority of the world is in the condition that Japan was after the hiroshima nagasaki event. Only the scale right now is out of proportions.In other words more people will die after the rumbling is done. Meanwhile Paradis has land to farm, infrastructure, is a military superpower, has the hizuru scientists and resources such as Iceburst stone. So basically all that Paradis needs to do is to have nuclear weapons which would act as a deterrent against any upcoming thread. 4. Potentially Eren achieved Freedom for his people. If he would have done 100% of the Rumbling then eventually war between the eldians of Paradis would have broken out.As we saw there were already 2 fractions which were against each other. Now, at 80% Rumbling the eldians of Paradis have to be united against the thread of what it is left from the world but at the same time, there exists the possibility of them being free to visit and roam the planet through talks and truces. 5. The yeager fraction, which is directly inspired and created under him, are the main driving force of Paradis. I think Eren had a bit of an impact, would you say? 1) titan curse removed yes but how, it was removed because the one responsible for it removed it because she was waiting 2000 to saw a girl killing her lover in order to get free from Stockholm syndrom. This is peak writing. And all of this was juqt introduced in the last chapters, aot was never about this crap. The solution doesn't take in consideration any of the themes established before, and instead we were given a ridiculous end game that has nothing to do with the story. 2) he didn't save anyone destiny did, eren had no free will whatsoever to save anyone he was just a slave of the forced time traved shit that makes no sense, he was a slave of what ymir did with the paths, a slave of plot conveniences, he was just a plot device not a character at all. 3) you see how the destroyed ecosystem will cause problems not only for the other ones that survived, but also for eldiens themselves. And that the peace achieved is no more than temporary, and that zeke's plan or any other plan where you just threaten the world with the rumbling could have led to the same result. So there was no achievement at all with the 80% rumbling. War will go on as the cycle of hatred wasn't broken and isayama said it in the epilog. So nothing new has been achieved. 4)"eren achieved freedom for his people" don't make me laugh, there is nothing of freedom in aot, this was the biggest lie isayama came up with, no one was free in the series and the ending didn't change that. Free from what? What has changed? They are now under a fascist government that will do the same things done before, where is this freedom? Internal problems will always remain and this hasn't been approached at all. There will always be people forcing others to do things. 5) that yeager faction is the same as the marley's military and the same as every government the story showed. Nothing has changed. The show didn't accomplish anything at all especially thematically or in terms of messages the writer wants to convey. Isayama had nothing to add, he only raised some questions earlier and answered none of them. He raised the theme of freedom and throwed it to the window with the time travel shit and the way he wrote everything as predestined. The last arc had the biggest amount of plot holes and contradictions i've ever seen from what used to be a great story. "eren said he will let the fredom of his friends yet he manipulated their memories" "he said that he will destroy everyone who wants to take his freedom yet he was from the beginning a slave to destiny and yumir, he should have went against the founder and defied the flow of events she created not giving up and following her. There were so many options to change things and there was nothing that tells it's impossible to change past, the whole story about past and future is not explained" "him blaming reiner of the death of his mom while he was the one who killed her is just ridiculous and ruins that scene now" " tatake, tatake, this is the most ridiculous quote of the show, you were not fighting eren, you were just following things, fighting is something that comes with choice not predestined" "the ymir story and interference in the plot is ridiculous, she wasn't a character at all just a plot device. She never talked nor we saw her thoughts. She was there doing everything for the plot just like that. And if there is something you can't explain, only ymir knows" "eren did the rumbling without having an idea of why he did it, this is ridiculous and joins the idea that eren was just a plot device not a character with real motivations and personality" "his primary motivations are fake and does not make any sense because it's not human at all, he killed his mother to motivate his old self in order to let things go as predestinated, what a shitty and meaningless writing" "the characters didn't do anything to make the plot move, it was all done by ymir and her slave eren and of course the final blow was done by mikassa who had no development through the whole series. Armin was useless since he got the injection, levi's existence was to kill zeke, zeke was just a plot device to activate the rumbling, hunge did nothing and died meaninglessly, reiner had no development since marley arc, falco was just there to turn into the ridiculous flying titan, gabi didn't play any role at all, jean and connie was just there watching, they was turnes into titans in 138 to get back conveniently in 139 with no explanation of where the fuck is the worm and how did it disappeared......." This story should have ended in s3 p2, because everything pass that is meaningless and serves for nothing. It would have been way better to end it in the beach scene leaving it wide open rather than doing things that the writer has no idea about. Isayama was too ambitious and wanted to do things differently but he didn't have a clue of what to do with those things, he didn't have an idea of how to end the story in a human and meaningful way. All he wants is to hurt and betray the reader and he did achieve that. You are totally wrong, about mostly everything but i am to lazy to re elaborate. AS for Ymir, if you are born a slave, how can you know what freedom is? If you are treated as a slave and then suddenly the guy who is you master, treats you bettern, you would think he is giving you the world. But i guess this is the result when you read only 1 book xD. But as i said everything you mentioned makes zero sense. Ecosystem is in a near collapse not collapse. And ofc it has 0 plotholes. none, but still to lazy to elaborate LIST THE PLOTHOLES. Edit : And i will elaborate, later today :) This is what i wrote earlier : "eren said he will let the fredom of his friends yet he manipulated their memories" "he said that he will destroy everyone who wants to take his freedom yet he was from the beginning a slave to destiny and yumir, he should have went against the founder and defied the flow of events she created not giving up and following her. There were so many options to change things and there was nothing that tells it's impossible to change past, the whole story about past and future is not explained" "him blaming reiner of the death of his mom while he was the one who killed her is just ridiculous and ruins that scene now" " tatake, tatake, this is the most ridiculous quote of the show, you were not fighting eren, you were just following things, fighting is something that comes with choice not predestined" "the ymir story and interference in the plot is ridiculous, she wasn't a character at all just a plot device. She never talked nor we saw her thoughts. She was there doing everything for the plot just like that. And if there is something you can't explain, only ymir knows" "eren did the rumbling without having an idea of why he did it, this is ridiculous and joins the idea that eren was just a plot device not a character with real motivations and personality" "his primary motivations are fake and does not make any sense because it's not human at all, he killed his mother to motivate his old self in order to let things go as predestinated, what a shitty and meaningless writing" "the characters didn't do anything to make the plot move, it was all done by ymir and her slave eren and of course the final blow was done by mikassa who had no development through the whole series. Armin was useless since he got the injection, levi's existence was to kill zeke, zeke was just a plot device to activate the rumbling, hunge did nothing and died meaninglessly, reiner had no development since marley arc, falco was just there to turn into the ridiculous flying titan, gabi didn't play any role at all, jean and connie was just there watching, they was turnes into titans in 138 to get back conveniently in 139 with no explanation of where the fuck is the worm and how did it disappeared......." But anyways i'm not gonna argue with you anymore you, you are just gonna say this is not a plot hole you just don't like the story and things like that. I can't argue with someone who thinks aot has 0 plotholes there is nothing i can say to you because i'm not able to cure people's blindness. You better see a doctor. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Manipulating their memories, so that they wouldn't stop= preventing them for being free? How exactly is that preventing them from taking any action by their own accord? This is hilarious, i will come back at you tonight, and no i won't just waste an hour to watch a video. You can list your "plot holes" like the one above and i will answer to every single one of them. But I, listing the plotholes and also answering them, cuz you can't be bothered , i ain't doing that. List em and i will explain them to you. But until now all i see is you disliking eren's action, which doesn't represent a plot hole, but lets see |
Apr 23, 2021 11:29 AM
#59
imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now “Story, character development” oh lord the fanboys preaching again comparing to the cringe eren even naruto looks like the messiah. By the standard of “oh it looks pretty” anything from ufotable knock AoT out the park. |
Apr 23, 2021 11:32 AM
#60
LustKamisama said: imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now “Story, character development” oh lord the fanboys preaching again comparing to the cringe eren even naruto looks like the messiah. By the standard of “oh it looks pretty” anything from ufotable knock AoT out the park. I mean, you have an Edward profile pic bruh, Nina had more development that him. + I wasn't referring to that godly guy only |
Apr 23, 2021 11:38 AM
#62
imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now “Story, character development” oh lord the fanboys preaching again comparing to the cringe eren even naruto looks like the messiah. By the standard of “oh it looks pretty” anything from ufotable knock AoT out the park. I mean, you have an Edward profile pic bruh, Nina had more development that him. + I wasn't referring to that godly guy only Assuming you never taken English class in high school or even gotten there yet to understand character development. I wouldn’t be surprised not seeing the blatant character assassination of eren, Armin, Reiner, Ymir, Historia, or maybe even hallu-chan but thing showed up for like two seconds so I wouldn’t count him |
LustKamisamaApr 23, 2021 6:32 PM
Apr 23, 2021 11:49 AM
#63
LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now “Story, character development” oh lord the fanboys preaching again comparing to the cringe eren even naruto looks like the messiah. By the standard of “oh it looks pretty” anything from ufotable knock AoT out the park. I mean, you have an Edward profile pic bruh, Nina had more development that him. + I wasn't referring to that godly guy only Assuming you never taken English class in high school or even gotten there yet to understand character development. I wouldn’t be surprised not seeing the blatant character assassination of eren, Armin, Reiner, Ymir, Historia, or maybe even hallu-chan but thing showed up for like two seconds so I wouldn’t count him Not really. Assuming that you read AOT with fansubs, you probably never read one of Isayama's interviews (in one of the volumes) where he said exactly the following : " I was surprised that people started to like eren. Eren exists for the story. He is a slave of it". On the creators own words. The characters that you mentioned were fine and dandy as long as you liked the plot, but the moment that your fan fiction did not become reality suddenly Isayama doesn't know how to write, he wanted to wrap it up and the characters were assassinated. Ofc i will not even bother to ask you as to why for example Reiner's character was assassinated. But as for Historia, probably your ship didn't become a reality. Thing is though, Historia was never that important |
Apr 23, 2021 11:57 AM
#64
imbAF said: damn right....these guyz created 100 of theories,endings and ships in their head...just because they didn't become reality they're mad at the writer....what a childish actLustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now “Story, character development” oh lord the fanboys preaching again comparing to the cringe eren even naruto looks like the messiah. By the standard of “oh it looks pretty” anything from ufotable knock AoT out the park. I mean, you have an Edward profile pic bruh, Nina had more development that him. + I wasn't referring to that godly guy only Assuming you never taken English class in high school or even gotten there yet to understand character development. I wouldn’t be surprised not seeing the blatant character assassination of eren, Armin, Reiner, Ymir, Historia, or maybe even hallu-chan but thing showed up for like two seconds so I wouldn’t count him Not really. Assuming that you read AOT with fansubs, you probably never read one of Isayama's interviews (in one of the volumes) where he said exactly the following : " I was surprised that people started to like eren. Eren exists for the story. He is a slave of it". On the creators own words. The characters that you mentioned were fine and dandy as long as you liked the plot, but the moment that your fan fiction did not become reality suddenly Isayama doesn't know how to write, he wanted to wrap it up and the characters were assassinated. Ofc i will not even bother to ask you as to why for example Reiner's character was assassinated. But as for Historia, probably your ship didn't become a reality. Thing is though, Historia was never that important |
Apr 23, 2021 12:01 PM
#65
| Of course, aot is a masterpiece and that fact will never change. Aot made a great impression not only on the anime industry. In fact, even I got into anime after watching aot and mha. |
WHAT A LAUGHABLE ATTEMPT. YOU SHOULD JUST STAY WHERE YOU ARE, GROVELING AT MY FEET P.S. PLEASE HELP ME GAIN MORE PROFILE VIEWS |
Apr 23, 2021 12:09 PM
#66
imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now “Story, character development” oh lord the fanboys preaching again comparing to the cringe eren even naruto looks like the messiah. By the standard of “oh it looks pretty” anything from ufotable knock AoT out the park. I mean, you have an Edward profile pic bruh, Nina had more development that him. + I wasn't referring to that godly guy only Assuming you never taken English class in high school or even gotten there yet to understand character development. I wouldn’t be surprised not seeing the blatant character assassination of eren, Armin, Reiner, Ymir, Historia, or maybe even hallu-chan but thing showed up for like two seconds so I wouldn’t count him Not really. Assuming that you read AOT with fansubs, you probably never read one of Isayama's interviews (in one of the volumes) where he said exactly the following : " I was surprised that people started to like eren. Eren exists for the story. He is a slave of it". On the creators own words. The characters that you mentioned were fine and dandy as long as you liked the plot, but the moment that your fan fiction did not become reality suddenly Isayama doesn't know how to write, he wanted to wrap it up and the characters were assassinated. Ofc i will not even bother to ask you as to why for example Reiner's character was assassinated. But as for Historia, probably your ship didn't become a reality. Thing is though, Historia was never that important Nah, never bother with the interview, did read both of fan sub and official cause I couldn’t believe how atrocious it was, turn out just as bad just less funny. MC went from avenging his mom to killing his mom because the author told him to now that’s peak character development. Guess it’s my fault for expecting a story with more depth coming from the author writing the first three season of AoT. Don’t really care who get down with eren but what I do care is for implementing slavery and using characters as a symbolism to fight against it only to get thrown out or turned into a love kink. Hey, not that you should care but here in the US theres quite a history with slavery so the handling of such dark subject won’t sit nicely with people here. |
LustKamisamaApr 23, 2021 6:43 PM
Apr 23, 2021 12:32 PM
#67
LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now “Story, character development” oh lord the fanboys preaching again comparing to the cringe eren even naruto looks like the messiah. By the standard of “oh it looks pretty” anything from ufotable knock AoT out the park. I mean, you have an Edward profile pic bruh, Nina had more development that him. + I wasn't referring to that godly guy only Assuming you never taken English class in high school or even gotten there yet to understand character development. I wouldn’t be surprised not seeing the blatant character assassination of eren, Armin, Reiner, Ymir, Historia, or maybe even hallu-chan but thing showed up for like two seconds so I wouldn’t count him Not really. Assuming that you read AOT with fansubs, you probably never read one of Isayama's interviews (in one of the volumes) where he said exactly the following : " I was surprised that people started to like eren. Eren exists for the story. He is a slave of it". On the creators own words. The characters that you mentioned were fine and dandy as long as you liked the plot, but the moment that your fan fiction did not become reality suddenly Isayama doesn't know how to write, he wanted to wrap it up and the characters were assassinated. Ofc i will not even bother to ask you as to why for example Reiner's character was assassinated. But as for Historia, probably your ship didn't become a reality. Thing is though, Historia was never that important Nah, never bother with the interview, did read both of fan sub and official cause I couldn’t believe how atrocious it was, turn out just as bad just less funny. MC went from avenging his mom to killing his mom because the author told him to now that’s peak character development. Guess it’s my fault for expecting a story with more depth coming from the author writing the first three season of AoT. Don’t really care who get down with eren but what I do care is for implementing slavery and using characters as a symbolism to fight against it only to get thrown out or turned into a love kink. Hey, not that you should care but here in the US theres quite a history with slavery so the handling of such dark subject won’t sit nicely with people here. No one cares what USA likes or not, same way no one cares what people in x y or z country like. 2nd AOT has to do with determinism, which ofc i am against and i do not believe in it. But that has to do with philosophy and not AOT. Eren NEVER killed Carla, he simply prevented Bertholt from being eaten, because otherwise the events that unfolded would not unfold. It's very simple. And ofc if Carla would have survived, events would have unfolded in a different way, which means, without the founder, the world would have wiped the people of paradis. Maybe Carla had to die, in order to achieve what was achieved right now. I am not arguing you whether you are pro or against determinism. That is totally how everyone sees it. Isayama apparently believes in it. I don't but still enjoyed the ending (apart from some things) 8/10 and AOT is a 10/10. Very simple. |
Apr 23, 2021 1:06 PM
#68
| Even if you hate it or not, even if you think the ending is bad or good no one can deny that it will go down as a classic. I mean, Death Note too had a controversial ending yet it's still considered a classic and it's the favorite anime of many people, including mine. |
yigithan_kilincApr 23, 2021 1:11 PM
Apr 23, 2021 1:23 PM
#69
imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now “Story, character development” oh lord the fanboys preaching again comparing to the cringe eren even naruto looks like the messiah. By the standard of “oh it looks pretty” anything from ufotable knock AoT out the park. I mean, you have an Edward profile pic bruh, Nina had more development that him. + I wasn't referring to that godly guy only Assuming you never taken English class in high school or even gotten there yet to understand character development. I wouldn’t be surprised not seeing the blatant character assassination of eren, Armin, Reiner, Ymir, Historia, or maybe even hallu-chan but thing showed up for like two seconds so I wouldn’t count him Not really. Assuming that you read AOT with fansubs, you probably never read one of Isayama's interviews (in one of the volumes) where he said exactly the following : " I was surprised that people started to like eren. Eren exists for the story. He is a slave of it". On the creators own words. The characters that you mentioned were fine and dandy as long as you liked the plot, but the moment that your fan fiction did not become reality suddenly Isayama doesn't know how to write, he wanted to wrap it up and the characters were assassinated. Ofc i will not even bother to ask you as to why for example Reiner's character was assassinated. But as for Historia, probably your ship didn't become a reality. Thing is though, Historia was never that important Nah, never bother with the interview, did read both of fan sub and official cause I couldn’t believe how atrocious it was, turn out just as bad just less funny. MC went from avenging his mom to killing his mom because the author told him to now that’s peak character development. Guess it’s my fault for expecting a story with more depth coming from the author writing the first three season of AoT. Don’t really care who get down with eren but what I do care is for implementing slavery and using characters as a symbolism to fight against it only to get thrown out or turned into a love kink. Hey, not that you should care but here in the US theres quite a history with slavery so the handling of such dark subject won’t sit nicely with people here. No one cares what USA likes or not, same way no one cares what people in x y or z country like. 2nd AOT has to do with determinism, which ofc i am against and i do not believe in it. But that has to do with philosophy and not AOT. Eren NEVER killed Carla, he simply prevented Bertholt from being eaten, because otherwise the events that unfolded would not unfold. It's very simple. And ofc if Carla would have survived, events would have unfolded in a different way, which means, without the founder, the world would have wiped the people of paradis. Maybe Carla had to die, in order to achieve what was achieved right now. I am not arguing you whether you are pro or against determinism. That is totally how everyone sees it. Isayama apparently believes in it. I don't but still enjoyed the ending (apart from some things) 8/10 and AOT is a 10/10. Very simple. First, any decent human will share the same opinion on slavery, it's just in the US it's a massive stain in history, that said nearly every first-world country practices it but I wouldn't know if their history class highlighted it. It is indisputable that AoT handles the slavery subplot horribly. Secondly, he is the cause of her death, directly or indirectly it both satisfied the means of killing, whether you like it or not. Eren is an emotionally charged character, he was written this way. So him not showing grief toward killing his mom undermines the whole scene from the first arc and butcher him before he's putting on a facade. Thirdly, what happened to Reiner's PTSD? why did the pacifier Armin thanks Eren for the genocide(from the official)? Reiner being Isayama's favorite went from a broken man into sniffing letters. The best defense people gave is expecting too much from this shounen as it was never able to deliver thematic depth like HxH, FMA and should put on par with MHA, or even Naruto. |
LustKamisamaApr 23, 2021 6:40 PM
Apr 23, 2021 1:55 PM
#70
| It's already a classic. I mean, it pretty much was the anime of the decade, whether you like it or not. Classic =/= Best. Rakugou or Shinsekai Yori are better than a lot of classics and they're absolutely hidden from the common sense. |
Apr 23, 2021 2:29 PM
#71
georgemehh1 said: imbAF said: it s not even close to be the best lmaoIf you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now Fortunately tastes are diffrent :) |
Apr 23, 2021 4:14 PM
#72
LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now “Story, character development” oh lord the fanboys preaching again comparing to the cringe eren even naruto looks like the messiah. By the standard of “oh it looks pretty” anything from ufotable knock AoT out the park. I mean, you have an Edward profile pic bruh, Nina had more development that him. + I wasn't referring to that godly guy only Assuming you never taken English class in high school or even gotten there yet to understand character development. I wouldn’t be surprised not seeing the blatant character assassination of eren, Armin, Reiner, Ymir, Historia, or maybe even hallu-chan but thing showed up for like two seconds so I wouldn’t count him Not really. Assuming that you read AOT with fansubs, you probably never read one of Isayama's interviews (in one of the volumes) where he said exactly the following : " I was surprised that people started to like eren. Eren exists for the story. He is a slave of it". On the creators own words. The characters that you mentioned were fine and dandy as long as you liked the plot, but the moment that your fan fiction did not become reality suddenly Isayama doesn't know how to write, he wanted to wrap it up and the characters were assassinated. Ofc i will not even bother to ask you as to why for example Reiner's character was assassinated. But as for Historia, probably your ship didn't become a reality. Thing is though, Historia was never that important Nah, never bother with the interview, did read both of fan sub and official cause I couldn’t believe how atrocious it was, turn out just as bad just less funny. MC went from avenging his mom to killing his mom because the author told him to now that’s peak character development. Guess it’s my fault for expecting a story with more depth coming from the author writing the first three season of AoT. Don’t really care who get down with eren but what I do care is for implementing slavery and using characters as a symbolism to fight against it only to get thrown out or turned into a love kink. Hey, not that you should care but here in the US theres quite a history with slavery so the handling of such dark subject won’t sit nicely with people here. No one cares what USA likes or not, same way no one cares what people in x y or z country like. 2nd AOT has to do with determinism, which ofc i am against and i do not believe in it. But that has to do with philosophy and not AOT. Eren NEVER killed Carla, he simply prevented Bertholt from being eaten, because otherwise the events that unfolded would not unfold. It's very simple. And ofc if Carla would have survived, events would have unfolded in a different way, which means, without the founder, the world would have wiped the people of paradis. Maybe Carla had to die, in order to achieve what was achieved right now. I am not arguing you whether you are pro or against determinism. That is totally how everyone sees it. Isayama apparently believes in it. I don't but still enjoyed the ending (apart from some things) 8/10 and AOT is a 10/10. Very simple. First, any decent human will share the same opinion on slavery, it's just in the US it's a massive stain in history, that said nearly every first-world country practices it but I wouldn't know if their history class highlighted it. It is indisputable that AoT handles the slavery subplot horribly. Secondly, he is the cause of her death, directly or indirectly it both satisfied the means of killing, whether you like it or not. Eren is an emotionally charged character, he was written this way. So him not showing grief toward killing his mom undermines the whole scene from the first arc and butcher him before he's putting on a facade. Thirdly, what happened to Reiner's PTSD? why did the pacifier Armin thanks Eren for the genocide(from the official)? Reiner being Isayama's favorite went from a broken man into sniffing letters. The best defense people gave is expecting too much from this shounen as it was never able to deliver thematic depth like HxH, FMA and should put on par with MHA, or even Naruto. So because we had a moment of comic relief with reiner = PTDS gone? Yeah ok. What would happen if Dina would have eaten bertholt? Would have armin become the colossal? Would Grisha give his founder to eren? Exactly. Carla being eaten is one of the the events that brought us to where we currently are, chapter 139. About Slavery: Every country, not first world but EVERY country has practiced it. I think Isayama handles it very well. But who knows, maybe you can write something better then him and handle the racism part of it better then him. But i highly doubt it. How is kid and teen eren putting a facade when he cannot possibly know that indirectly he was the cause of her death? tf are you talking about? It's a loop with no end, kid/teen eren cannot possibly know that, until he kisses historias hand, which happens when he is 15 years old. |
Apr 23, 2021 4:40 PM
#73
| Yes, Attack On Titan is one of the best written manga of all time. When you think about the greatest manga/anime of this generation Attack On Titan will always be in that conversation and will more than likely be brought up first. Regardless of how you felt about the end (me, personally, I fucking hated it, the last 20 chapters especially ruined everything I loved about it) you can't deny how great and how much of an impact it will have on the community. Attack On Titan will essentially become immortalized just how Dragon Ball Z is because of the influence and impact it will leave behind. |
Apr 23, 2021 5:38 PM
#74
imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: LustKamisama said: imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now “Story, character development” oh lord the fanboys preaching again comparing to the cringe eren even naruto looks like the messiah. By the standard of “oh it looks pretty” anything from ufotable knock AoT out the park. I mean, you have an Edward profile pic bruh, Nina had more development that him. + I wasn't referring to that godly guy only Assuming you never taken English class in high school or even gotten there yet to understand character development. I wouldn’t be surprised not seeing the blatant character assassination of eren, Armin, Reiner, Ymir, Historia, or maybe even hallu-chan but thing showed up for like two seconds so I wouldn’t count him Not really. Assuming that you read AOT with fansubs, you probably never read one of Isayama's interviews (in one of the volumes) where he said exactly the following : " I was surprised that people started to like eren. Eren exists for the story. He is a slave of it". On the creators own words. The characters that you mentioned were fine and dandy as long as you liked the plot, but the moment that your fan fiction did not become reality suddenly Isayama doesn't know how to write, he wanted to wrap it up and the characters were assassinated. Ofc i will not even bother to ask you as to why for example Reiner's character was assassinated. But as for Historia, probably your ship didn't become a reality. Thing is though, Historia was never that important Nah, never bother with the interview, did read both of fan sub and official cause I couldn’t believe how atrocious it was, turn out just as bad just less funny. MC went from avenging his mom to killing his mom because the author told him to now that’s peak character development. Guess it’s my fault for expecting a story with more depth coming from the author writing the first three season of AoT. Don’t really care who get down with eren but what I do care is for implementing slavery and using characters as a symbolism to fight against it only to get thrown out or turned into a love kink. Hey, not that you should care but here in the US theres quite a history with slavery so the handling of such dark subject won’t sit nicely with people here. No one cares what USA likes or not, same way no one cares what people in x y or z country like. 2nd AOT has to do with determinism, which ofc i am against and i do not believe in it. But that has to do with philosophy and not AOT. Eren NEVER killed Carla, he simply prevented Bertholt from being eaten, because otherwise the events that unfolded would not unfold. It's very simple. And ofc if Carla would have survived, events would have unfolded in a different way, which means, without the founder, the world would have wiped the people of paradis. Maybe Carla had to die, in order to achieve what was achieved right now. I am not arguing you whether you are pro or against determinism. That is totally how everyone sees it. Isayama apparently believes in it. I don't but still enjoyed the ending (apart from some things) 8/10 and AOT is a 10/10. Very simple. First, any decent human will share the same opinion on slavery, it's just in the US it's a massive stain in history, that said nearly every first-world country practices it but I wouldn't know if their history class highlighted it. It is indisputable that AoT handles the slavery subplot horribly. Secondly, he is the cause of her death, directly or indirectly it both satisfied the means of killing, whether you like it or not. Eren is an emotionally charged character, he was written this way. So him not showing grief toward killing his mom undermines the whole scene from the first arc and butcher him before he's putting on a facade. Thirdly, what happened to Reiner's PTSD? why did the pacifier Armin thanks Eren for the genocide(from the official)? Reiner being Isayama's favorite went from a broken man into sniffing letters. The best defense people gave is expecting too much from this shounen as it was never able to deliver thematic depth like HxH, FMA and should put on par with MHA, or even Naruto. So because we had a moment of comic relief with reiner = PTDS gone? Yeah ok. What would happen if Dina would have eaten bertholt? Would have armin become the colossal? Would Grisha give his founder to eren? Exactly. Carla being eaten is one of the the events that brought us to where we currently are, chapter 139. About Slavery: Every country, not first world but EVERY country has practiced it. I think Isayama handles it very well. But who knows, maybe you can write something better then him and handle the racism part of it better then him. But i highly doubt it. How is kid and teen eren putting a facade when he cannot possibly know that indirectly he was the cause of her death? tf are you talking about? It's a loop with no end, kid/teen eren cannot possibly know that, until he kisses historias hand, which happens when he is 15 years old. Honestly, it’s more convincing that you haven’t gotten through a single history class in high school if you don’t see how bad the slavery subplot was handled. Unless AoT character brains are wired differently you don’t have a slave fall in love with the master who is Mentally/Physically Abusive, kinda borderline sadistic too. Reiner arc ended with comic relief that’s the problem lol. War PTSD usually stems pretty deep, you don’t go from being suicidal into happy go lucky in two weeks. Stop letting your bias blinding your judgements. These are deeper themes for viewer to convey what the author stance might be on the topic. Using one chapter to turn all of that into a love gag is telling that the author never really cared in the first place. And for eren, reread previous post slowly if you can’t understand I’m talking about 139 where he doesn’t shred a tear for his mom, who he cared so deeply about, as he mentioned on killing her but then proceed to breakdown for mikasa. Also, courtesy toward anime-only please edit the spoiler tags. |
LustKamisamaApr 23, 2021 6:42 PM
Apr 23, 2021 8:21 PM
#75
Dankshin0bi said: It’s not about you you start a story, it’s about how it ENDS. Therefore no it is not a masterpiece and it will not go down in history, might be historically fucked for dropping the ball on the last 3 chapter Well all humans being life ENDS in Death.. so you mean their life had meaning?? Even if you won't rewatch Aot.. just the fact that you enjoy the journey makes it a very good Anime. Some great ppl in history died for nothing..thier final destination was meaningless.. but i dare you to say same thing about them like you are saying about AOT. |
Apr 23, 2021 10:46 PM
#76
| No matter the ending is how much disappointing aot is a classic and it has a place in history of anime, "aot is not just another great anime ending,we are watching history being made" because after a long time it tied the whole anime community together and it made many people know about anime who hadn't even heard of anime. |
Apr 24, 2021 12:44 AM
#77
| You can't be objective unless you have watched every single anime and there are still many things like the story which stay subjective as your opinion of these comes from your own perception or someones elses opinion, Ytbers for example. So you can't say : "Oh Aot is the best anime" since everybody can like something else or can have a different opinion and by saying that, your invalidating peoples opinions which should never be happening. Also, this toxicity in the aot fanbase is so annoying |
Apr 24, 2021 2:04 AM
#78
| It will go down as one of the worst solely cause of the ending. Remember GOT? Everyone was saying it was the best show ever until the ending happened. |
Apr 24, 2021 2:40 AM
#79
| As a anime only, probably. |
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Apr 24, 2021 12:25 PM
#80
| Aot is NOW a modern classic ! |
Apr 24, 2021 2:08 PM
#81
Roger1 said: It will go down as one of the worst solely cause of the ending. Remember GOT? Everyone was saying it was the best show ever until the ending happened. Yes but the show was already starting to diverge from the source material in season 4, the writing was pretty mediocre season 5 and onward it just had good direction and visuals. Also GOT is still remembered as a great show just one with an awful ending. Basically while AOT had a meh final arc and a bad ending it was still fucking amazing for the first 120ish chapters. Meanwhile Game of thrones had a much larger decrease in quality for much more of the show. Also chapter 139 is rough but it doesn't ruin Eren's character nearly as much as got season 7 and 8 ruined the characters of Daenarys, Jon Snow, Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger, and Jaime. Pretty much every great surviving character got ruined, they didn't just have a couple cringy lines they all either threw out their character development, finished their arcs horribly or acted massively out of character. |
Apr 25, 2021 4:30 AM
#82
| Absolutely, for both the importance and the masterpiece that it is |
Apr 25, 2021 4:54 AM
#83
imbAF said: georgemehh1 said: imbAF said: georgemehh1 said: imbAF said: it s not even close to be the best lmaoIf you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now But it is though, we both know it, unless you can mention something better then it Steins gate requires 11 episode to be immensely interesting, season 2 is nowhere near close to the epicness of the first. HxH is on hiatus for eternity and its super good but the thematic doesn't come close to aot. Death Note is epic when you are a newcomer in the anime and also a bit edgy, but still a masterpiece . FMAB is ok. Nothing special about it, jack of all trades master of none. And Code geass was ok, until Lelouch goes and tells her that he can control her if he wants and his geass was activated, that was a cheap way to stretch the story. And ofc Lelouch's solution looks awesome when you are a 16 years old and believe in idealism. In reality the problems among people cannot simply vanish just because one guy died. Lelouch dies and the whole world is happy and sunshine? It doesn't work like that. How it works in reality is similar to what happened in AOT. And stop using lmao in the end, it doesn't validate your opinion more. What about AOT? first season could be mysterious, interesting, well animated or whatever, but not a masterpiece in storytelling or character development. Second season was slightly better (in my opinion), more slow paced and focused on story, but still the same tier. Third season? I dont really remember many details so lets skip for now Third season part two made a nice mixure of action, storytelling, character development and worldbuilding, and a good revelation arc. Still not as thrilling as S;G (and I agree with you about S;G 0 being very far away), not as mature as Monster, not as complex as Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu, or as unique as Monogatari. So nope, not the best, even compared in overall quality. Also I liked Code Geass more that's maynly my opinion |
Apr 25, 2021 5:31 AM
#84
AdamWayne04 said: Dude Literally S3 part 1 and 2 were the best and filled with so many godly moments and regarded as best by community ....your take is one of the worst take I've ever seen....comparaing other animes strongest aspects to AOT's single aspect.....dude making you compare 4-5 anime's strongest elements to AOT's each and every elements one by one is what makes AOT one of the greatest....AOT have it all...not just depends on one elementimbAF said: georgemehh1 said: imbAF said: lmao no. steins gate, hxh, monster, death note, code geass, fullmetal alchemist are some examples of better animes and mangas lmaogeorgemehh1 said: imbAF said: it s not even close to be the best lmaoIf you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now But it is though, we both know it, unless you can mention something better then it Steins gate requires 11 episode to be immensely interesting, season 2 is nowhere near close to the epicness of the first. HxH is on hiatus for eternity and its super good but the thematic doesn't come close to aot. Death Note is epic when you are a newcomer in the anime and also a bit edgy, but still a masterpiece . FMAB is ok. Nothing special about it, jack of all trades master of none. And Code geass was ok, until Lelouch goes and tells her that he can control her if he wants and his geass was activated, that was a cheap way to stretch the story. And ofc Lelouch's solution looks awesome when you are a 16 years old and believe in idealism. In reality the problems among people cannot simply vanish just because one guy died. Lelouch dies and the whole world is happy and sunshine? It doesn't work like that. How it works in reality is similar to what happened in AOT. And stop using lmao in the end, it doesn't validate your opinion more. What about AOT? first season could be mysterious, interesting, well animated or whatever, but not a masterpiece in storytelling or character development. Second season was slightly better (in my opinion), more slow paced and focused on story, but still the same tier. Third season? I dont really remember many details so lets skip for now Third season part two made a nice mixure of action, storytelling, character development and worldbuilding, and a good revelation arc. Still not as thrilling as S;G (and I agree with you about S;G 0 being very far away), not as mature as Monster, not as complex as Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu, or as unique as Monogatari. So nope, not the best, even compared in overall quality. Also I liked Code Geass more that's maynly my opinion |
Apr 25, 2021 7:30 AM
#85
georgemehh1 said: imbAF said: it s not even close to be the best lmaoIf you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now Why it has done almost 99% of what all audiences like ,action,mystery and plot twists |
Apr 25, 2021 7:42 AM
#86
Mack_Yeager said: Popularity doesn t make it better lol. Its not a bad show, it is good but no where near the bestgeorgemehh1 said: imbAF said: If you take everything into consideration such as : story, character development, Animation, VA's. OST, quality of animation etc etc, even tho you might find animes who excel in on or in the other department, AOT is overall the best anime that has come from the industry until now Why it has done almost 99% of what all audiences like ,action,mystery and plot twists |
Apr 25, 2021 9:24 AM
#87
| While I disliked how the manga ended, the sheer popularity of the franchise is bound to make it a classic, at least as big as Naruto, One Piece, or DBZ are. |
Apr 25, 2021 10:14 AM
#88
| AOT is the only good work in anime rn imo. Everything else either appeals to children or has cheap fanservice. |
Apr 25, 2021 1:03 PM
#89
| Even with the bad ending, I can't see it not being a classic, it's done enough to earn that title. |
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Apr 25, 2021 1:53 PM
#90
| Depends on FS. You're getting ahead of yourself, haven't even got extra pages. Sure have been a lot of western clickbaiters trying to trash it for some clicks though. Never doubt a mortgage and an opportunity. Sigh. It's good right now, but even the last five minutes of a final season can matter. But at least it's not Avatar so we got that goin'. |
Apr 25, 2021 1:59 PM
#91
| I think so. It had an unusual plot that was action-packed, emotional and suspenseful. The anime focused on many themes that are important in the real world like classism, racism and militarism. The vast majority of the characters had distinct personalities and traits that setup scenes that were sometimes tense and at other times humorous. I believe that Attack on Titan is a masterpiece and should be deserves to be recognized as a classic. |
Apr 25, 2021 2:17 PM
#92
samashi20 said: LustKamisama said: Lol it too early too make any conclusions without season 4 part 2 animated. Only time will tell if enough people liked the ending to be called classic. GoT matched or even better AoT in terms of popularity but nobody calling it a classic because how the ending turn the whole series into a meme. While I agree with you that the ending will have a major role in determining whether it'll be a classic or not, I still think that the 4 first seasons are popular enough for it to still be considered a classic. Many people got into anime by watching AoT, and even the ones who are not into anime, still watch AoT. Have you forgotten about GOT? It was just as popular for its seasons, and a huge cultural craze for several years, until the final season, and virtually no one talks about it now. In a few years it will have no new watchers. Compare that with the Sopranos, which ended years and years ago, but positive remembrances of it keeps bringing new people into the fandom, and it's maintained its place as a classic trailblazing show. Also the part about 'many people got into watching anime because of AOT' is rather dubious. Anime has enjoyed international popularity for something close to 30 years and has been featured heavily on Saturday morning cartoon programming for kids for decades in Western countries. You can say that about shows like DBZ, but it really doesn't apply to AOT. AOT was immensely popular, and a staple of Otaku diets, but not a genre-popularizer (the genre was already at the height of its popularity years before AOT came along), and it had years-long hiatuses where interest for it receded. |
AllystareApr 25, 2021 2:23 PM
Apr 25, 2021 2:20 PM
#93
| Only time will tell. It's too early to call. I could see either way. |
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Apr 25, 2021 2:30 PM
#94
Allystare said: samashi20 said: LustKamisama said: Lol it too early too make any conclusions without season 4 part 2 animated. Only time will tell if enough people liked the ending to be called classic. GoT matched or even better AoT in terms of popularity but nobody calling it a classic because how the ending turn the whole series into a meme. While I agree with you that the ending will have a major role in determining whether it'll be a classic or not, I still think that the 4 first seasons are popular enough for it to still be considered a classic. Many people got into anime by watching AoT, and even the ones who are not into anime, still watch AoT. Have you forgotten about GOT? It was just as popular for its seasons, and a huge cultural craze for several years, until the final season, and virtually no one talks about it now. In a few years it will have no new watchers. Compare that with the Sopranos, which ended years and years ago, but positive remembrances of it keeps bringing new people into the fandom, and it's maintained its place as a classic trailblazing show. Also the part about 'many people got into watching anime because of AOT' is rather dubious. Anime has enjoyed international popularity for something close to 30 years and has been featured heavily on Saturday morning cartoon programming for kids for decades in Western countries. You can say that about shows like DBZ, but it really doesn't apply to AOT. AOT was immensely popular, and a staple of Otaku diets, but not a genre-popularizer (the genre was already at the height of its popularity years before AOT came along), and it had years-long hiatuses where interest for it receded. 1. I'm not a manga reader, these are just my speculations about the reaction of the fandom to the ending and the series as a whole. I also have not seen GOT, so I have no idea whatsoever about the plot or the ending. 2. I think you got me completely wrong with "Many people got into anime because of AOT". I'm not saying AOT brought popularity to anime in general, nor to the genre. I'm just saying people who never cared about anime before started watching AOT and got slowly into anime. So I'm not sure why you're discussing the genre or the popularity of anime as a whole. |
| I sometimes forget to finish my sentences. |
Apr 25, 2021 2:32 PM
#95
| I really don't understand the 'only time will tell' responses. No show that's this polarizing among its hardcore manga fanbase is going to be popular among the casual anime audience when it comes to screen unless it has a radically different ending. Your hardcore fans are your proselytizers who spread your product through word of mouth. They are the keepers of the faith when your show goes into hiatus. They are the people that go into terminal never ending debates about the show and to a significant extent, police people's views on the show. If they like your manga ending, they amplify its popularity, and if they dislike it, they attenuate its popularity. A substantial number of manga fans are now badmouthing the series to their friends and telling them not to watch it, and even the critical hype for the show has died down. I don't see how this is an open question. The ending, which I won't go into, was considered to be a letdown for most people. Unless the anime audience is from some alternate bizarro universe, their reaction is likely to be similar. |
AllystareApr 25, 2021 2:51 PM
Apr 25, 2021 2:45 PM
#96
samashi20 said: Allystare said: samashi20 said: LustKamisama said: Lol it too early too make any conclusions without season 4 part 2 animated. Only time will tell if enough people liked the ending to be called classic. GoT matched or even better AoT in terms of popularity but nobody calling it a classic because how the ending turn the whole series into a meme. While I agree with you that the ending will have a major role in determining whether it'll be a classic or not, I still think that the 4 first seasons are popular enough for it to still be considered a classic. Many people got into anime by watching AoT, and even the ones who are not into anime, still watch AoT. Have you forgotten about GOT? It was just as popular for its seasons, and a huge cultural craze for several years, until the final season, and virtually no one talks about it now. In a few years it will have no new watchers. Compare that with the Sopranos, which ended years and years ago, but positive remembrances of it keeps bringing new people into the fandom, and it's maintained its place as a classic trailblazing show. Also the part about 'many people got into watching anime because of AOT' is rather dubious. Anime has enjoyed international popularity for something close to 30 years and has been featured heavily on Saturday morning cartoon programming for kids for decades in Western countries. You can say that about shows like DBZ, but it really doesn't apply to AOT. AOT was immensely popular, and a staple of Otaku diets, but not a genre-popularizer (the genre was already at the height of its popularity years before AOT came along), and it had years-long hiatuses where interest for it receded. 1. I'm not a manga reader, these are just my speculations about the reaction of the fandom to the ending and the series as a whole. I also have not seen GOT, so I have no idea whatsoever about the plot or the ending. 2. I think you got me completely wrong with "Many people got into anime because of AOT". I'm not saying AOT brought popularity to anime in general, nor to the genre. I'm just saying people who never cared about anime before started watching AOT and got slowly into anime. So I'm not sure why you're discussing the genre or the popularity of anime as a whole. I haven't seen GOT either. I am commentating on it specifically as a cultural phenomenon, and the fact that comparisons between AOT and GOT are common in both communities, because of their similarities as pop culture phenomena. The point being that GOT was also this massively popular, critically acclaimed show, (anyone who has been alive for the past few years can testify to this), arguably far more popular than AOT that dominated the culture for several years and seasons, until the final season happened, which was widely derided as disappointing, and suddenly interest for the show cratered. Just to reiterate, GOT was possibly the most popular show for the past several years. It was considered an all-time classic just a few years ago and now almost no one talks about it. The point of the GOT comparison is that popularity and 'classic status' and goodwill is fleeting and it can be destroyed or lost very easily. Fun fact: the most popular AOT meme subreddit is r/titanfolk (230K subs), and it's an explicit reference to r/freefolk which is the most popular GOT meme subreddit (1M subs). |
AllystareApr 25, 2021 2:53 PM
Apr 25, 2021 5:55 PM
#97
| Most definitely a classic, most anime doesn't come close in terms of plot development and twists. Anime also has the greatest soundtrack of all time. |
Apr 25, 2021 6:32 PM
#99
| No, because of the characters and the garbage writting |
| “The only thing humans are equal in is death.” ― Johan Liebert |
Apr 25, 2021 8:08 PM
#100
| Well yeah, any insanely popular anime will be a classic with enough time. |
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