To all the people hating on Horimiya

Deknijff said:
experience isn't needed necessarily when critiquing a relationship though



Do I need to have had a girlfriend to know Louise x Saito is unstable at times or something?


dont question the experience of the person critiquing, critic their critic if its bad or wrong factually

GoshaX said:
What you just said is completely bullshit, no one in the world will take you serious if you have no experience on the topic. When someone is saying stuff that they don't have the experience, we call that bullshit in real life.

sekaiwaKIREI said:
i've been in a few relationships (and am in one right now), and i still believe this is quite a toxic relationship. if i hadn't been in any relationships i'd still probably think this was toxic.

Deknijff said:
Dating experience isnt needed when critiquing a healthy or unhealthy relationship within fiction, you basically have front row seats and listening device of the inner thoughts of the two in the relationship in which you see more things than you'd ever see looking into a relationship from the outside of the real world
Again would you say a person needs to have actual dating experience to be able to tell Louise is an abusive GF when she acts like this?

sekaiwaKIREI said:
i've been in a few relationships (and am in one right now), and i still believe this is quite a toxic relationship. if i hadn't been in any relationships i'd still probably think this was toxic.
i don't hate the show, i just find it pretty boring, but i can see why people like it.

GoshaX said:
So tell me what part is Hori toxic? what part is the relationship not healthy?

GoshaX said:
What you just said is completely bullshit, no one in the world will take you serious if you have no experience on the topic. When someone is saying stuff that they don't have the experience, we call that bullshit in real life.

GoshaX said:
What you just said is completely bullshit, no one in the world will take you serious if you have no experience on the topic. When someone is saying stuff that they don't have the experience, we call that bullshit in real life.

GoshaX said:
If you are never in a relationship how would you even know what is a relationship? what is happengning in a relationship? what does it feel and what do you face? you know nothing about it so how could you understand any of it?

what is happening in a relationship?

AlfredoS__ said:
How old are you? It is sad the way you think.

GoshaX said:
How old are you? There is a reason in life we listen to experienced people, not young kids with no experience, literally studying in school and learning is learning experience in life, the point of going to college is to get learn real life experience so that when you step in society you are experienced. Did your professor ever tell you anything like that before? Or you haven't even started your college life yet?

Spinner48 said:

Why do you think that?

sekaiwaKIREI said:

one factor would be Hori's jealousy, it's fine to be jealous sometimes but it gets so hard to watch when she takes it out on Miyamura repeatedly, even if it's just someone complimenting his looks. this lack of trust in a relationship can easily lead to breakups in real life, but hey this is anime so i won't bring anime into real life unlike how you did.
another factor would be that Hori kind of forces her kink on Miyamura, i don't mind kinks but Hori just makes Miyamura act in a way that is the polar opposite of how he usually acts without thinking about whether he feels alright doing it. i shouldn't even have to explain why this is toxic.
now, i'm not saying you can't enjoy the show just because Hori is toxic, i'm just giving my two cents.

sekaiwaKIREI said:

one factor would be Hori's jealousy, it's fine to be jealous sometimes but it gets so hard to watch when she takes it out on Miyamura repeatedly, even if it's just someone complimenting his looks. this lack of trust in a relationship can easily lead to breakups in real life, but hey this is anime so i won't bring anime into real life unlike how you did.
another factor would be that Hori kind of forces her kink on Miyamura, i don't mind kinks but Hori just makes Miyamura act in a way that is the polar opposite of how he usually acts without thinking about whether he feels alright doing it. i shouldn't even have to explain why this is toxic.
now, i'm not saying you can't enjoy the show just because Hori is toxic, i'm just giving my two cents.

Crow_Black said:


Basically this person is just saying some really beyong ignorant things like discounting young people's criticisms and outside viewpoints and saying that we should "Strictly rely on more expireinced peoples thoughts" no matter how wrong it is.

GoshaX said:
How old are you? There is a reason in life we listen to experienced people, not young kids with no experience, literally studying in school and learning is learning experience in life, the point of going to college is to get learn real life experience so that when you step in society you are experienced. Did your professor ever tell you anything like that before? Or you haven't even started your college life yet?

Wen_tnuocca said:
Tbh, I haven’t heard anyone say this about the show. And if they are, they are clearly watching a different a show.

GoshaX said:
Ok so tell me why do you go to school and study? just answer this one question.

Deknijff said:
Is plenty easy to know what a relationship is without having had said relationship . Just google the definition
noun: relationship; plural noun: relationships
the way in which two or more people or things are connected, or the state of being connected.
"the study will assess the relationship between unemployment and political attitudes"
"the state of being connected by blood or marriage."
"the way in which two or more people or groups regard and behave towards each other."
"the landlord–tenant relationship"


Is just understanding in what way said people are connected by if its emotional or sexual attraction since we talking two people dating and how they act due to these thingsAgain as I said, its fiction where in most cases you hear the inner thoughts and emotions of the people in question, is plenty easy to understand if something is having a positive or negative effect when you hear the inner monologue of the characters
Its easy to tell whats happening in their relationship, as it should be since they the main characters and not understanding the characters would be a failure on the authors part unless intentionally not wanting you to know

Do you need experience in cooking to know this is cooking gone wrong?

GoshaX said:
go look at other thread in Horimiya forum, there are a lot.

AlfredoS__ said:
To think that you always need to listen something in order to think a certain way its so lazy minded and dumb. Do I need to hear that murder is bad from a murder to start considering murder as a bad thing? no. Same is with the comments talking bad about Hori's agressive personality trait, because automatically recurring to violence it is not good. Also your whole argument based on negating the person's arguments not by actually touching their arguments but an aspect of the person is a logical fallacy called Ad Hominem and if you try to argument like that shows that either you are so young you haven't even seen that topic at school or a grown up person speaking in an ignorant way, which to be honest, I don't know which of the two options is more sad.

GoshaX said:
Doesnt you point just prove that they are in a Doesn't your point of Hori being jealous just prove that they are in a good relationship that Hori cares about Miyamura so much that little things make her nervous that she will lose Miyamura? It's not lack of trust towards Miyamura, its the girl's jealousy that she wants the man that she love the most to spoil her more because that's what most girls want, they want to be treated extra special. Your second point of Hori forces her kink on Miyamura, you are saying that in your relationship you never did anything uncomfortable for your boy or girlfriend? a relationship is literally doing something you don't like or changing yourself for the people that you love, that's what builds a relationship, the sacrifice you do to the other side to show your love. There are no perfect relationships, there is no way that two people get together and everything is fine and both sides feels that there is no need to change for the other side. The part of a relationship is to slowly change for the one you love, that is the power of love it changes you.

Crow_Black said:


You don't have to be an relationship expert or dating to know thats a toxic relationship and good lord this whole thread is really just a spergfest of just fanboying out for your show and you just can't handle any criticism of it thats what it really is.

GoshaX said:
Yes you can tell what the characters are thinking, but you don't understand what is in a relationship, so how could you understand their thought process and what is the meaning of their thought, it is like using the English skill now reading ancient English text, you won't understand the meaning.

GoshaX said:
Lets talk about murder. if no one tells you from a young age that muder is bad, are you doing to think murder is bad? Becuase in our human history, kill people is fine in ancient time, under we start saying that murder is bad. Lot of thing that we think are bad now isn't bad 1000 of years ago, just think slavery, it is so common in history and recent 600 years we start saying that it is bad, and now we know it is bad. all you knowledge of the world comes from learning the experience.

sekaiwaKIREI said:

like i said, there's a difference between a healthy amount of jealousy and the amount that Hori portrays. i find it uncomfortable how she takes it out on Miyamura, and yes it is because of trust issues as she can't trust Miyamura enough to not cheat on her.
and no, i wouldn't force my girlfriend to go along with a kink if she didn't want to, just to let her 'slowly change with the power of love'. love does not give you the excuse to force your partner to do things that would make them feel uncomfortable, yes there is no such thing as perfect relationships, but the kink forcing is still toxic. i don't know what type of fairyland you're living in where people will let you force your kink on them just because they love you.
continue replying if you want to, i think i've made it clear what my stance is on this.

AlfredoS__ said:
My guy, you are literally contradicting yourself, if we always had to listen to what other people say and think that is correct just because they have more experience than us then we will still see murder the same way because people would have only limit to just repeating what the older people told them which as you said, in the past, people thought murder was not necessarily a bad thing.

Spinner48 said:
Not quite right tho. I play guitar and my fingers had calluses. I have a friend who plays piano. He knows I have calluses but still said how hard could it be to learn guitar since he already plays another instrument. In the end he tried but gave up. I get what you are saying but from personal experience I've seen inexperienced people tend to greatly underestimate.

Deknijff said:
Well thats a physical activity which isnt what Im actually talking about
Im talking about evaluating data or facts on a subject, for example I have no experience in cell biology beyond high school but when presented with evidence of evolution and the origins of animal diversity its easy to tell if scientists have a clear understanding of reality compared to crazy religious people who believe in creation from a deity which they can't prove since evidence of it doesn't exist

GoshaX said:
how could you say relationship and love as"data or facts" you can not quantify love and relationship.

GoshaX said:
You are not right because people default think that murder is fine until people start saying murdering is wrong, there is a difference between defaulting and not changing things until we say to change it. let me give you an example, we humans default that eating pork is fine until the Islam religion said you can not eat pork.

Crow_Black said:
You are not right because people default think that murder is fine until people start saying murdering is wrong, there is a difference between defaulting and not changing things until we say to change it. let me give you an example, we humans default that eating pork is fine until the Islam religion said you can not eat pork.

Deknijff said:
Yeah you can under the right lens though
All you have to understand is the general definition of love and then know love is something which happens because the brain releases chemicals due to certain factors which are common or uncommon for the general people

AlfredoS__ said:
Yes because that is a religious tradition, murder is not. Your main argument was based on saying that people should listen up to those who have more experience because aparently that by default means that what they say is going to be correct and it is not. Going back to my past argument, people started to CHANGE the thought of murded because they EVOLVED from what they where previously teached by the elders, which was that in that time, murder was not considered to be bad. Does this mean they are wrong because they are not following what the elders said? NO. Also you once brought up the topic of listening to teachers, why do you believe teachers? Is it just because they are older and therefore what they say must be right? or is it because they are teaching you PROVEN FACTS? A math teacher will not tell you 2+2=4 because they told her that, they are going to teach you that BECAUSE IT IS PROVEN THAT IT IS TRUE AND THAT IS HOW ADDITION WORKS. If a teacher tells you 2+2=5 are you just going to say "she said it so it must be true" or you are going to question it and actually find that right procedure? Also, comparing that to these comments section is wrong. Here people come to comment their OPINION and you can't negate people from doing it because it is privation of freedom of speech.

GoshaX said:
I rest my case if you think you can quantify love and relationship.

GoshaX said:
wow wow wow, when have I prevented them of freedom of speech? did I say that they can not say what they are thinking? Or am I just saying that what they say are wrong?