Which anime studio has the best animation quality.

alshu said:

Such a convincing argument.


You denied my suggestion, for me it means that you think that the animation in the 00 movie is "flashy shitty changing colors".


Yes, I called you not be able to notice good animation...since you you failed to see the complexity of the visuals in the 00 movie and enjoyed less complicated stuff by ufotable but done with flashier colours.
Not that those scenes are shitty, I like them too, just not that complicated in comparison.


1. Those those fights are pretty easy to notice and appreciate, especially for battle shounen fan like you.
2. If memory serves Sword of Stranger had some really pretty autumn and towards the end winter colours. Wow, I see a patten.


You changed the goals, I am only adapting.


It should feel like talking to yet another annoying anime fan. Are you projecting or something?


I dodged something?


You mentioned Sword of Stranger first.


Oooh, so the topic should be "Which anime studio has the best animation quality lately?"


You shitted on Sunrise and some of its shows, I disagreed. Nothing more.


Everything is sex to you...

Hrybami said:


I've seen
Tales of Zestiria
Fate/Zero
Kimetsu no Yaiba

It had lots of out of place CGI and poorly animated scenes. Then it brings out the annoying full powered special effects on a fight. Then it came back to cheaply animated scenes. This is the definition of the most inconsistent animation studio out there that is ufotable.

ren0080 said:


And those "out of place CGI and poorly animated scenes" and "annoying full powered special effects" is loved by the Majority of people.
And you literally said that you prefer 2D animation, so why are you complaining about stuffs that you clearly will never like?
That sounds like you're just whining because the majority of people love those "out of place CGI and poorly animated scenes" and "annoying full powered special effects" that you seemed to hate.

Hrybami said:


Are you okay? Do you have a problem with my opinion?

Hrybami said:


Well I actually cared about your opinion, but now I think I'll forget about it. Have a nice day!

ren0080 said:

You misundertand everything I've said

ren0080 said:
I've literally said those words that you quoted me "flashy shitty changing colors" as for you insulting and downgrading ufotable's animation.

ren0080 said:
And No, you can't change your narrative again.

ren0080 said:
G Gundam

ren0080 said:
SEED

ren0080 said:
Wow, good thing you disregards my other statements such as Naruto and Gintama fights.

ren0080 said:
Just wow. Again, moving with your own narrative that wasn't even in the main topic.

ren0080 said:
Again, dodging the main topic like ufotable dodging their taxes.

ren0080 said:
Well, a studio can't really be considered the best if their quality is going downwards. Just like how many people aren't considering Madhouse, BUT the older madhouse as one of the best.

ren0080 said:
I NEVER SHITTED ON SUNRISE.

ren0080 said:

I LITERALLY SAID THAT 00 HAS GOOD ANIMATION.

Hrybami said:

It had lots of out of place CGI and poorly animated scenes. Then it brings out the annoying full powered special effects on a fight. Then it came back to cheaply animated scenes. This is the definition of the most inconsistent animation studio out there that is ufotable.

alshu said:

This is 120% of internet so I believe you on that.


I commented on you (eventually) liking their colour effects (over animation)...it was you who added "shitty"...out of good spirit I guess.


Is that a joke on Gundam Narrative expense?


Yep, battle shounen fans seeing everything through battle shounen lenses.
(Since you are heavily hinting that I should change the narrative, being bored out of our conversation.)


Hey, I enjoyed it's trashiness and scale but can't remember anything good about the visuals or the story. Nice music tho.


1. I mentioned you being battle shounen fan a post ago also in my current post.
2. I mentioned Gintama, you missed that?
Those 1. and 2. are off topic anyway.


So when you are changing the subject it is me who is changing the narrative?


I think the comparisons between HF 1-2 and the 00 movie were front and centre...are you thinking about another conversation?


Yes, the current topic can be also about the past, why are you limiting it only to the present? Those studios will have those achievements under their belts even after they stop existing.


Yeah, but you were thinking it.


You said it had consistent animation but nothing special. It took me at least two posts to make you notice that I was talking about the movie in the first place.



Truth to be told Wit are more inconsistent in that regard.

ren0080 said:

It's you who bugged me for complimenting 00 and Trailblazer (and Sunrise) in the first placed.

ren0080 said:
but it's not Heaven's Feel or Mugen Train level of greatness.

ren0080 said:

And no, I wasn't thinking on shitting on sunrise. Sunrise literally make up of half of the anime that I rated 10/10 (Char's Counterattack, Unicorn, Gintama, etch.), so why would I shit on them?

ren0080 said:

But suit yourself. Maybe the word "has" has different meaning in your dictionary.

alshu said:

Well, I don't want even to praise it, just to admit that it has some way more complicated scenes than what we see in HF 1-2.


Haven't seen Mugen Train tho.



1. 10/10 are cheep scores nowadays.
2. Not seeing how exclusive are some of their animations in comparison to the rest is like shitting, especially in a topic called " Which anime studio has the best animation quality."
3. Gintama is not that impressive visually especially in the period when it was produced by Sunrise. Got a bit flashier (but also rushed) under BNP.


Yeah, Sunrise still has under its belt all the shows it has produced since Nippon Sunrise - good and bad.

ren0080 said:

Lost Butterfly is just better in both animation and visuals than Trailblazer in everyway though.

ren0080 said:

It's just your opinion about Trailblazer that it's quote and quote "complicated".

ren0080 said:
Then watch it. It should be out in almost every Asian countries whether it's Fan screening or general one.

ren0080 said:
Don't really get your point is because if a studio only has "some" great animations, then it's not really a contender to being the best animation studio.

ren0080 said:
Why shit on Gintama though?

ren0080 said:
so why would it need flashy visuals?

ren0080 said:
And why bother bringing it up to this topic? Everyone knows that Gintama animation isn't it's best point.

ren0080 said:
Why are you sucking Sunrise floppy dick so badly?

alshu said:

And I disagree...this is all.


Yep, this is my opinion based on the sheer number of complicated to animate scenes also how more complex an longer are those in comparison to the best moments of HF 1-2.


Will ask again, what should I watch - FH 3, Infinity Train (not the CN show which I really respect) or both?
None of those are available in my county. By the way I am not from and I don't live in Asia.



1. Well every studio has stinkers.
2. I wouldn't care for "success rate" more like "high water marks".



It's a fact that Sunrise didn't putted many resources in it, even the show itself jokes about this many times...or you have missed those episodes?
I still like it in this form (mentioned its minimalism some posts ago) and I still prefer the Sunrise run to the BNP run.


It's you who are bringing it back again and again...not sure why since it's not exactly example of "best animation quality".
Maybe you should create a topic called "Best animation quality on shoestring budget" or something?


Ask yourself bro! You are the one mentioning it constantly.


Was that a sexual reference?
At least you didn't used such in your last post...that counts for something.

ren0080 said:

I'm losing braincells talking to you.

ren0080 said:
None of my words is getting to you

ren0080 said:
you're coming here with your ass shut close with your ass cheeks as impregnable

ren0080 said:
You're entitled to your own opinion

ren0080 said:
you never even try to understand how complicated ufotable's animation is.

ren0080 said:
and have so much depth and comlexity because of how unified their CGI team, Visual Effects team, Animation team, and Color Design team are.

ren0080 said:
Trailblazer had way more complicated animated scenes when in reality, 2D animations are easier to animate than 3D and 3D+2D.

ren0080 said:
You're so fucking insecure that you need to break up my statements into few sentences just to say a shitty argument which isn't even an argument, but a complaint.

ren0080 said:
I bet you'll even break up the words "ass cheeks" just like how those 3rd rate hackers crack the codes of those 4th rate games which no one even plays anymore.

alshu said:

The Plan is working, muahahaha!


Some are, like the irrelevant ones - Gintama, Naruto...


Eh.


And you are not?


1. Wow, you are finally on topic.
2. Those scenes I have seen are pretty complex...but not as much as those which I consider superior.


Other studios have that too...the lack of it come as errors in the visuals...still this is only on execution level.
I am talking about the idea behind the scenes and also about the execution.
For example does the HF movies have a scene that is even remotely as complex as the the collapsing of the orbital elevator from the Gundam 00 TV? How about the scenes of the the collapsing orbital elevator from another yet older show - Zone of the Enders: Dolores, I?
Yes, ufotable can bring complex and immeasurably aesthetically pleasing scenes...still there are studios that can bring more complex stuff to achieve.


A negative point to your memory pride here. Gundam 00 is a combination of 3D+2D. The series and the movie.


Oh, so you are afraid of my little complains? Don't be, this is just my bad sense of humour.


You must admit that using "ass cheeks" is not a very polite way to discus stuff - with or without the context.

ren0080 said:

I don't even know anymore what the fuck you're talking about anymore.

ren0080 said:
This conversation got lost when you started nitpicking everything

ren0080 said:
I've said just like how Detectives are looking for some secret messages and codes from a dying letter or something.

ren0080 said:
Those shits makes me wanna suck my own dick and spit out the cum into my asshole.

ren0080 said:
That's how painful I feel when I cringed too much from how the conservation got lost.

ren0080 said:
I'd probably feel better conversing with brats who picks their nose and eats their booger than talking to someone like you. At least I could beat the shit out of those snotty brats along with their parents...

ren0080 said:
but with a stranger online, the best I could do is to put up with their unchanging opinion and unnecessary discussion which just a massive waste of time.

ren0080 said:
talking to your kind of people

ren0080 said:
Heck, arguing with someone who thinks that choco filled donut is the best donut (which is not obviously) is an even better time spent than talking to you.

alshu said:

HF 2 good, 00 movie way better.


Just ignore my attempts at humour.


Try the Caesar Cipher.


You like to wrote those, aren't you? Also you think I somehow feel embarrassed by them.
Actually quoting them just reduces you credibility in the eyes if other users.


Conservation of what? Braincells (you already complained about that), time, energy?


Wow, yet another sexual fetish of yours?


Actually we are not discussing anything just repeating ad nauseam those same statements...only you being a little rude in the process.



Annoying anime fans? Yeah, a lot of us here in the forums, maybe staying away?


Funny thing, it is you who boasts all the time how superior ufotable is to all other studios (because teamwork or something)...your choco filled doughnut.
And I like many ufotable projects just don't consider it the best studio. I like a lot of studios besides Sunrise, also pointed some of its weaknesses. Not to metion my 10/10s (only 5 of those) are not for Sunrise titles.
Thus your allegory here is incorrect.

ren0080 said:

That's what your opinion.

ren0080 said:
I like Lost Butterfly's animation a lot more than Trailblazer

ren0080 said:
although you said 00 which is a lot worst in terms of animation compared to Trailblazer

ren0080 said:
The opinion of the majority of people.

ren0080 said:
but the majority of people are putting ufotable in their top 5 best animation studio.

ren0080 said:
But hey, it's all good to be all unique

ren0080 said:
you know, being a hipster or some shit.

ren0080 said:
And you seem curious about my fetish

alshu said:

Duuuh.


And I suggested why.


What do you mean?
Like of course the movie has better visuals than the TV but I gave an example for complex scene from the TV (and from even older TV) because HF 2 doesn't have such complex locations and events anyway.


Hurray for hype train jumpers and people who dismiss "old" shows automatically!


So what?


It feels good.


I don't have a silly hat, any hat of that matter. Also I hate mechanical typewriters
Thus I am not a hipster.


Nope, only complaining about it being posted all over the topic.

ren0080 said:

Why are you so keen on changing my opinion about 00 and Trailblazer?

ren0080 said:
And does fighting in space seems complex to ya???

ren0080 said:
"Wow, dark and vast is so complex that I'm jerking off by the fact that it's so deep and philosophical cause I'm 14 and this is deep" lmao

ren0080 said:
idk, but I think that Einzbern castle seems to have a lot more complexity and with ufotable's God Tier camera shots

ren0080 said:
the audience can actually see the impact on the location and how accurate the places they are jumping around and shits.

ren0080 said:
You can search in youtube the animation material for Einzbern castle. Simply gorgeous.

alshu said:

I don't, I just disagree.


Yes, especially if some large constriction is crumbling and in the later stages the battle shifts to lower layers of the atmosphere ect.


Everything is jerking for you maaan.


Actually those elevator towers or lets say a colony are much lager and way more complex.


Duuuh, same with the space elevator thing but on a bigger scale.


Yes, it's gorgeous. Still only a facet of what you can see in Gundam.

alshu said:

I don't, I just disagree.


Yes, especially if some large constriction is crumbling and in the later stages the battle shifts to lower layers of the atmosphere ect.


Everything is jerking for you maaan.


Actually those elevator towers or lets say a colony are much lager and way more complex.


Duuuh, same with the space elevator thing but on a bigger scale.


Yes, it's gorgeous. Still only a facet of what you can see in Gundam.

ren0080 said:

So you disagreed with me, why reply then?

ren0080 said:
You're just causing some unnecessary discussion where each of the two of us are disagreeing each other.

ren0080 said:
But idk, maybe it's your fetish to be a punching bag or something.

ren0080 said:
Still respect it though.

ren0080 said:
What good is those large colonies and those crumbling "constriction" (lmao) if the animation itself isn't taking those kind of environments to their advantage.

ren0080 said:
"constriction" (lmao)

ren0080 said:
Because a lot of Gundam fights are just a little clashes with a bit of ammo and shits.

ren0080 said:
The most memorable scenes in which they used their environment to their advantage was 0083, 08th MS Team, 0080 WitP, and the original Gundam.

ren0080 said:
In 00, Setsuna's fights are pretty boring (which sometimes fault in his character, not the animation itself)

ren0080 said:
Oh no, your Sunrise cock-sucking attitude is showing.

ren0080 said:
Clearly belittling ufotable to make sunrise looks good.

ren0080 said:
Now you look like a ufotable disliker

ren0080 said:
rather than a sunrise cock-sucker.

ren0080 said:

I'm rewatching both Trailblazer and Heaven's Feel as of now.
Trailblazer had a lot of still image (with explosions just to confuse the audience), the beam itself is pretty damn lackluster which is only one frame, no impact or whatsoever, the movements of the mobile suit is just one still image with the background frame (and explosions at the background) just moving around at high speed creating an illusion that the gundams are moving, The explosions are pretty lackluster because they are just one kaboom with no aftereffects or whatsoever, and the choreography is basically nonexistent since they are just firing beams and shits.

ren0080 said:

While in Lost Butterfly, there's a lot of weight in every strike, the explosions had some aftereffects which feels realistic, the weight of every step that they make is so solid that you can feel it, the impact of each inanimate blows (buildings) were orgasmic as fuck because Saber herself was blown away making the scene realistic, Berserker's regeneration was so satisfying to watch, the camera slowmotion to give the audience room to breath after so many high pace actions then hitting the audience with the impact animation (not many studios does this technique. it's a shame because it's really an effective technique), not even just the Saber vs. Berserker, Archer vs. Assassin had some pretty good choreography fights, the Rider scene in the library had some good choreography fights there too with Shirou hitting Shinji was so satisfying because it had impact in both animation and how it was presented.

ren0080 said:
My eyes were glued in Lost Butterfly while I was playing both of them in two screens. Not to say that Trailblazer is bad, I already said it was good, but not ufotable's level.

ren0080 said:
I had an orgasm by just rewatching Lost Butterfly again.

alshu said:

1. How about all the moving parts which you are dismissing? In some moments there are million of those.
2. How about all the still images in HF 2 you don't talk about?


Those are only in the battles which are not that long in comparison (and I mentioned that few times before).


This is because you weigh mainly with your battle shounen ascetics for hand-to-hand battles not how hard are those animations to make.


...


By the way you watched both of those relatively long movies in only 30 minutes or just skipped on some arbitrary moments?

wakenowakane said:
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ren0080 said:

Skipped the monologues shits.

ren0080 said:
The still images in Lost Butterfly are wallpaper worthy though. The visuals, the backgrounds, everything was crafted into perfection.

ren0080 said:
Not every battle should be long in order to be good though.

ren0080 said:
In story perspective, Trailblazer is more of a shounen than Lost Butterfly though. So your complaint doesn't count.

ren0080 said:
And like I said before, I enjoy myself some memorable robo battles like Char vs. Amuro, the whole Gundam Unicorn, and many more.

ren0080 said:
So your complaint about me liking hand to hand battles doesn't count (and Berserker vs. Saber Alter isn't even hand to hand combat)

alshu said:

The action and the complex scenes in 00 movie are at leat 30-40 minutes. Also let say 25 minutes sakuga in HF 2. Still not time to watch them all.


Yes, I agree...still we are taking about animation.


Still we are taking about animation, not "best fight". The longer are those, the harder are to make.


We are talking mainly about animation here, so how is that related to my complaint?


You are talking how those battle make sense story wise, battle of wills representation and such...yeah topical battle shounen stuff.
But I can appreciate them on purely technical level.


OK, I am changing it to "battle shounen style confrontations".

ren0080 said:

You're the first one to complain about shit and when I tackle those complains of yours, you just move on to the ultimate children response "we're talking about animation, not blablabla"

ren0080 said:
Like, next time, eat some memory plus gold pills so that you can remember everything shitty things you just said.

ren0080 said:
Then you change your compliant again like bruh
So this is how a convenience store part-timer feels when Karen always nitpicks and demands to bring the manager.

ren0080 said:
Also, I literally said that I watched both Lost Butterfly and Trailblazer in TWO SCREENS

ren0080 said:
Learn to read next time, bitch.

ren0080 said:

You know what?
If all you gonna do is complain again, I won't even bother replying to your shit.

ren0080 said:

It's fucking tedious and basically faster if I just kicked out the puppy outside my house.

ren0080 said:
Just go on and suck Sunrise floppy 48 years old dick to all I care.

ren0080 said:
You can't even take a single criticism about your beloved sunrise like damn, that's some next level of sucking dick.