"MEIN KAMPF" by Hitler and the SEASON 4 OP "MY WAR" are basically same

sammymahesh said:
The autobiography "Mein Kampf" by Adolf Hitler and the Season 4 OP title "My War" have similar meaning. Mein Kampf is german. It's literal English translation is "my struggle. " This is mind boggling. Holy shit.


PS: I have had to make separate thread.

deg said:
Why Attack on Titan Is the Alt-Right’s Favorite Manga
White supremacists have found inspiration in the ultraviolent, ultrapopular saga.
For white nationalist denizens of /pol/, Attack on Titan is a brilliant way of normalizing white supremacist ideology for a mainstream audience. In their eyes, the Eldians are a stand-in for white people in Western countries, punished for the crimes of their ancestors’ empires and besieged by subhuman monsters trying to enter their land. The Eldians, brainwashed by a state leader who renounced violence against non-Eldians, represent the white population indoctrinated by liberals to feel empathy for nonwhites. Marley, in this fevered telling, represents the Jews, convincing white people to hate themselves. https://newrepublic.com/article/160193/attack-titan-alt-rights-favorite-manga

ye just gonna separate fiction from reality again

TheGoldenCatch said:
No Attack on Titan is about ending the cycle of hate. it's a warning against extreme nationalism.

sammymahesh said:
This is mind boggling. Holy shit.

TheGoldenCatch said:
No Attack on Titan is about ending the cycle of hate. it's a warning against extreme nationalism.

ErhimJoshua said:



Exactly, i would have dropped this manga if they showed or even hinted that ideas like fascism, race supremacy, genocide are "necessary at times". But instead the manga shows beautifully how a cycle of hatred, evil authorities, blind patriotism, and toxic nationalism have caused the situation in the AOT world to become so screwed up.

Speaking on the topic of this thread, i personally love the OP and the visuals were pretty. As for the scene with marching soldiers, i dont particularly find it offensive or see it glorifying war and nationalism but instead in the episode, it shows you how false a facade is the military might of the Marleyans. The OP displays proud, strong and disciplined soldiers marching to serve their "fatherland" but the episode itself shows that they use Eldians in the frontlines and how scared (just like anyone would be) they are. Marley just like many other totalitarian nations tells its citizens about its prowess when it is very far from greatness.

i mean the Marleyans wouldn't have even been able to win the battle of Fort Slava if they didn't have the titan powers of Eldians (the titan bombing) and the 9 titans. Even with these advantages and god-like titans on their side, they almost get fucked by the Mid-East Alliance. Marley wouldn't even stand a chance against the Mid-East Alliance if it weren't for the Eldians.

All in all, i love and hate how messed up the AOT world is in the sense that its a super realistic scenario that could defo happen in real life given the same circumstances, but it really frustrates me to watch so many innocents get caught up in a struggle they didn't ask for. AOT is anti-war and anti-imperialism at its finest.
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deg said:
Why Attack on Titan Is the Alt-Right’s Favorite Manga
White supremacists have found inspiration in the ultraviolent, ultrapopular saga.
For white nationalist denizens of /pol/, Attack on Titan is a brilliant way of normalizing white supremacist ideology for a mainstream audience. In their eyes, the Eldians are a stand-in for white people in Western countries, punished for the crimes of their ancestors’ empires and besieged by subhuman monsters trying to enter their land. The Eldians, brainwashed by a state leader who renounced violence against non-Eldians, represent the white population indoctrinated by liberals to feel empathy for nonwhites. Marley, in this fevered telling, represents the Jews, convincing white people to hate themselves. https://newrepublic.com/article/160193/attack-titan-alt-rights-favorite-manga

ye just gonna separate fiction from reality again

alberto662 said:

as someone that goesway to much on r/titanfolk , yeah you are right there are comments with more than 350 upvotes that uses the same arguments that beonazis and holocaust deniers uses, it is pretty disgusting

deg said:
Why Attack on Titan Is the Alt-Right’s Favorite Manga
White supremacists have found inspiration in the ultraviolent, ultrapopular saga.
For white nationalist denizens of /pol/, Attack on Titan is a brilliant way of normalizing white supremacist ideology for a mainstream audience. In their eyes, the Eldians are a stand-in for white people in Western countries, punished for the crimes of their ancestors’ empires and besieged by subhuman monsters trying to enter their land. The Eldians, brainwashed by a state leader who renounced violence against non-Eldians, represent the white population indoctrinated by liberals to feel empathy for nonwhites. Marley, in this fevered telling, represents the Jews, convincing white people to hate themselves. https://newrepublic.com/article/160193/attack-titan-alt-rights-favorite-manga

ye just gonna separate fiction from reality again

xenosys said:


Outlets like these, and Polygon in particular, are garbage and fail to understand the anime doesn't glorify what is happening, it doesn't inspire anything, and it's only pointing out that this is what humans have been like for thousands of years. It actually serves as a warning to the dangers to overt, extreme nationalism.

deg said:


actually that article only reported whats 4chan /pol/ takes on this manga and anime is

also reposting - Isayama himself says he wants a story where there is no right or wrong if i remember his past interviews right so ye both good and evil interpretation of the story is allowed by Isayama lol

cAbaddon said:


Nah, Isayama is absolutely portraying the fascist side wrong, there's no good/evil interpretation there. Everything about the last manga chapters have been about overcoming hatred/fascism/racism with love and understanding, Gaby's arc for example is all about that.

deg said:


im not sure about the interpretation of the fandom though (not just Isayama) like there in 4chan /pol/

there should be a conclusive ending that greater good will prevail then

_Maneki-Neko_ said:
Oh no dude, don't do this. I'm not really happy with the plot twists and Eren's development and all, but I still read the manga in a way that it criticizes fascism and people taking their ideals to an extreme, so they become extremists about them.

No fascist author would portray such a humanist character like Levi, who wanted to save lives first and foremost, in such a positive light for example.

But I agree that it has some very uncomfortable symbolism, where you coud ask: Are you criticizing this now or pandering to right-wingers?

MAQS said:


Interesting you asked this since I am still in the dark in regards to which ending Isayama is gonna take, for years we know he changed his mind from the first ending he had, which was a full on tragic ending, but later he said he returned to that ending, and then he said it was gonna be a satisfying ending, so who knows, btw read the final paragraphs of this interview.

https://fuku-shuu.tumblr.com/post/162652398937/snk-news-isayama-hajimes-bessatsu-shonen-august

_Maneki-Neko_ said:

Maybe because so many of these people misinterpret the intention of the author (on purpose or not), because they are attracted by the war themes and violence of the story, so it's quite uncomfortable to like something they like, but for different reasons, you know.

deg said:


ye that was the interview where he says he intents to write that there is no right or wrong and to me that is dangerous mindset since it will allow nazi inspiration from it too

MAQS said:


And that is my point, where do you draw the line? when does your goal of preventing the horrors of WW2 to happen again becomes a all too different type of horror because you went in the other extreme, doing that only challenges the extremist views to try hard to be heard and makes things worst.

History has shown when a certain ideal, group of people, religion etc is oppressed no matter if its something truly despicable like the KKK or something noble like BLM they will try their hardest to break out and impose themselves and become the oppressors, and history has shown the best way to avoid that, is to not be afraid of them appearing out nowhere, or restrict their freedom of speech.

But to make a public spectacle of them, and show everyone else why they are wrong, or right depending on the case with words and examples, not hostile aggressive actions.

deg said:


yep i agree with you i hope Isayama is not that stupid and knows 4chan /pol/ is being a fan of his manga too for example

at the same time im ultimately fine whatever ending he makes since its his damn story after all

MAQS said:


I am sure he knows, but to censor himself because someone misinterprets their work is not something I would agree.

Just like people call out Anita sarkesian bullshit on the Mandalorian boob armor controversy people need to do the same on AOT, the example is mild in comparison but it is exactly what it needs to happen.

Selenehakz said:
Can the mods please shutdown threads like this, how do I volunteer to be MAL mods esp for SNK one ?

And congrats for the post op! Now polygon can make a whole misleading article again!

_Maneki-Neko_ said:

Maybe because so many of these people misinterpret the intention of the author (on purpose or not), because they are attracted by the war themes and violence of the story, so it's quite uncomfortable to like something they like, but for different reasons, you know.

deg said:


thats not confirmed yet but manga will end in 3 chapters so well see

mizuharaaya said:


It is already confirmed for ending in 3 chapters? I feels like it needs more.

mizuharaaya said:


It is already confirmed for ending in 3 chapters? I feels like it needs more.

misthistoric said:
one is a struggle to entice hate among people (Mein Kampf) , AOT is thought out struggle which is far different from hitler's failures ideologically

moises12 said:


That's what I believe as well. As a leftist in Brazil, I wouldn't be watching it if it were being "nice" to fascism or totalitarism. What I think is: Eren is a villain that has commited genocide, being left or right, it is wrong, the show isn't trying to tell the opposite and, as for Marley, it is a fascist military dictatorship (that's were the marching soliders in the OP came from).

The show is a warning against totalitarism, nacionalism and fascism. Being left or right. It shouldn't be used for extreme-leftist that supports Mao or Stalin (I'm center-left) either alt-right people.

1Kyo said:

"Enticing hate among people" is not Hitler's ideology. Anti-Semitism, racism, social darwinism, totalitarianism and imperialism are the constituents of national socialist ideology, which were also explained in Mein Kampf.

The social darwinism part of Hitler's ideology is SEVERELY reflected in Eren's character. Marley is an imperialistic and totalitarian regime utilizing methods similar to fascist propaganda. The treatment towards eldians is racist and equivalent of the anti-Semitist treatment towards the jews.

While there are differences (no fraction in AoT fully resembles the nazi ideology, instead different fractions represent different parts of it), the parallels are evident.

_Maneki-Neko_ said:

I know, but it's just, you know, naming the title of the opening MY WAR is really... unfortunate too.