| This is bad advice, while that is the correct order to watch them chronologically it makes it a confusing mess. A better order would just watch them in release order. That's how it was intended to be watched. |
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| my goodness, what an idea why didn't I think of that thank you, genius |
| I disagree with the chronological watching order, people should treat Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 as 2 separate animes because they both feel completely different, have different pacing (Steins;Gate 0 is way slower), have different directors so Steins;Gate 0 doesn't even feel like Steins;Gate to begin with and the majority of the Steins;Gate community considers the anime of Steins;Gate 0 inferior and that's for a good reason, it's a mediocre anime that barely answer any questions and will only open up more questions. Not to mention, you don't even need Steins;Gate 0 to enjoy Steins;Gate and inserting Steins;Gate 0 into the mix without finishing this anime first will only serve to kill the climax that the OG Steins;Gate tried to build from episode 1 and by the way, the anime of Steins;Gate 0 expects you to know the ending of the original anyway so that crappy watching order is actually counter-productive. |
| An interesting take but imo all this does is just make things convoluted and in the end it's just a huge detriment to your enjoyment because it cuts off the already perfect climax of the series (and the best set of episodes in the entire franchise) by shoehorning in a mediocre 23 episode detour in the middle of the massively intense ending of the original Steins;Gate |
| Nah that's too weird and I've already watched the old steins;gate so I'll just watch 0. I like release order. Release order makes everything simple. |
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| I don't agree with taking S;G and 0 as two different animes.Why?(spoilers) 0 is just a 23 episodes of explanation to how the events of episode 23 happened.Consider it an answer to those who didn't get enough from the original and needed more details to to how Okabe reached Steins;Gate.So yeah I think you should watch it in chronological order. |
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hamza121419 said: how does zero expect you to know the ending while the events are happening before the line steins gate could exist in reality???? ---- SPOILERS BELOW, BE WARNED ---- I should rephrase what I said, by ending I didn't meant how the anime ended, I meant a part near the ending which was when Mayuri slapped Okabe, in Steins;Gate 0 they spoiled that part because they already expected you to know that Mayuri will slap Okabe to get him to his senses so if you watch it in chronological order then you will know that Mayuri will slap Okabe and hence, the "awe factor" will be lost because you already got spoiled by it, the emotion the OG tried to provide with that part wouldn't be the same, the emotion of the video mail wouldn't be the same either, the climax and the best part of the OG Steins;Gate will be ruined completely. |
Resus-2Jun 3, 2020 1:50 AM
hamza121419 said: it's normal that SG 0 and the original SG dont feel the same, SG takes place in the alpha line, while zero takes places in beta line, how can it feel the same with the state of okabe in the beta line, and being different isnt an argument to begin with, as SG 0 is the detailed explanation of how things ended in steins gate, and it gives okabe more character developement and makes him a better character than the original, the best okabe was the one who never reached the line steins gate, who sacrified himself so that the other okabe and the other characters could reach the steins gate line where every one is safe, the best okabe is the one from SG 0 who fooled the world and fooled the old him . The ending of the original is great, but it was rushed as the solution came in one episode, only when you see SG 0 the ending becames a masterpiece. I disagree with everything you said, first of all, being different in term's of "choreography, animation, camera angles, good use of cicadas or butterflies or whatever" etc... is the thing I was talking about, this "magic" is done by the directors and the people he's working with, a good director will do wonders with it, a mediocre director will not, period, this is non debatable, the OG Steins;Gate was much better in this aspect (actually, it was better in every aspect), Steins;Gate 0 felt more generic. And Okabe is boring in Steins;Gate 0, doesn't matter if the Okabe in Steins;Gate 0 was the one who sacrificed himself if the anime is mediocre, good for you that you consider Okabe in Steins;Gate 0 a better character but the rest of the Steins;Gate community disagree with you so you are simply the minority here, anyway, I barely felt a thing in this midquel, the only episode that made me emotional as hell was episode 8 which was a masterpiece IMHO, the rest of the episodes? nah, it had some good moments but I could barely feel emotions out of it. The ending of the OG is great, period, it wasn't rushed and you don't even need Steins;Gate 0 to enjoy it, people enjoyed Steins;Gate in a time when Steins;Gate 0 didn't existed so your argument fails completely. hamza121419 said: but zero was better in some stuff like having more character developement for okabe and mayuri.mayuri in the original didnt do anything in helping them apart from figuring out that daru is suzuha's father. In 0 she has a very important role in the plot, and she participated in the ending of original, but steins gate didnt show that. I'm not saying zero is better that the original, but it is absolutely better in some aspects. Oh boy, how much do I disagree with you on this one, Steins;Gate 0 having more character development? I don't think so, Mayuri had a more important role in Steins;Gate 0 for sure but she was less interesting for me because her personality changed completely, Okabe was boring, period, you just can't have a boring character through the whole anime just to get him become interesting near the ending, Maho was okay, the rest of the characters? I don't think so, most of the characters in Steins;Gate 0 didn't do nothing interesting, they felt more like filler characters, Leskinen and Reyes? no character development at all, just some boring generic villains right there. The character development in Steins;Gate 0 is abysmal. And sure, Steins;Gate 0 can be better in some aspects (even though, I don't agree with you in the slightest here) but so what? the OG Steins;Gate provided much better stuff anyway. hamza121419 said: Zero is not consistent troughout the hole series, it started great, then the pace slowed down in the middle with some useless moments, but the last 7 episodes were fire and in the same level of the original in its max. Yeah, Zero is not consistent at all, it definitely started great and I even gave it a 10/10 in the first couple of episodes but then it started getting boring with the godawful slow pace that didn't get anywhere and then it got even more retarded with superpowered characters moving at the speed of sound and dodging bullets from machine guns at point blank in the middle of the warzone, killing 50 trained soldiers and slashing heads off in the process with the bare hands topped with one of the worst animation that I have ever seen in animes... this was retarded and you call this crap "fire and on the same level of the original in its max?, you got to be kidding me, no disrespect to you but I can't take you seriously at this point. hamza121419 said: Another thing that is important is that when you finish the original, you already know the outcome, so watching 0 before the finale of the original leave all the possibilities open, you dont know what is going to happen and you are prepered for every thing. Doesn't matter, Steins;Gate 0 wasn't needed in the first place and you can't insert Steins;Gate 0 into the mix without finishing the OG first because it will simply ruin the good pacing the OG had and all the buildup will be lost by doing the chronological order because you are stopping the climax to start from the beginning with a different anime which is slower and worse in every (or almost every) aspect including the animation because it had one of the worst animation in the action scenes I've ever seen, the animation in the action scene is so bad that it's literally at the bottom in the anime industry. hamza121419 said: The argument of the release date isnt working, yes zero came after years the original but it's not because it was meant to watched after finishing the original, but rather because the creator of the VN only made Zero after the original has finished, and steins gate stories are mixed, and the best way to watch it is to always be in ignorance of what will happen next. A lot of events in zero are predictible because of the finale of the original, people would have enjoyed zero more if they didnt knew what was going to happen. So for a new watcher the chronological order will absolutely be more enjoyable. Your argument fails completely because we aren't simply talking about the VN of Steins;Gate 0, we are talking about the "anime" of Steins;Gate 0 which is inferior to the VN because the anime has plenty of issues that the VN didn't had, the anime had glaring issues like an unfinished story (a story that appeared to get explored only to be tossed aside) or a story which dragged forever to get somewhere, the anime was simply the child of Frankenstein with the little pieces of story they mashed in it from the VN only to not get explored and get tossed aside, if they were going to do that then they should not bring that up in the first place and Kagari... let's not even go there. I would have no issues with the chronological order if the anime of Steins;Gate 0 was better but it wasn't, it was mediocre, Steins;Gate deserved better than this. Anyway, the franchise of Steins;Gate is loved by many thanks to the VN and the anime and this was when Steins;Gate 0 didn't existed so let's keep it that way, let other people experience Steins;Gate the way it was intended to be watched and that's the release order (the one we all loved and praised) and not the chronological order, shoehorning something mediocre like Steins;Gate 0 into the mix without finishing the anime of the OG first is dumb. |
Resus-2Jun 3, 2020 2:05 AM
Fatefag said: I don't agree with taking S;G and 0 as two different animes.Why?(spoilers) 0 is just a 23 episodes of explanation to how the events of episode 23 happened.Consider it an answer to those who didn't get enough from the original and needed more details to to how Okabe reached Steins;Gate.So yeah I think you should watch it in chronological order. Wrong, 0 is not a 23 episodes of "explanation" on how the events of episode 23 happened, in fact, most of the crap that happened in Steins;Gate 0 had nothing to do with it and it was barely an answer because the anime of Steins;Gate 0 barely answered anything, the crap that the anime tried to answer was better explained in the VN. Steins;Gate 0 is simply a slice of life anime that spent the time doing slice of life crap instead of answering questions. |
hamza121419 said: okay i got you idea, you are telling people to watch the series in the order of release and your only argumen5 is that you think SG 0 is mediocre. If you disliked the anime then this is your problem, you are preventing people from enjoying it in their way. You didnt answer any of of my argments, you were talking about the animation, but steins gate was never known for this, yes the direction in the original is way better, but that goes with the tone of the series, and people watch steins gate for the story not the animation. Okabe being boring in zero was natural, you may not like it, this is your problem, but this is how his story should really be, the story of a humain that lost hope and couldnt anymore try to save his loved one. He is suposed to be depressed through the majority of zero, because all this route is for him to retrieve that hope, for him to regain his old self, for him to truely become the mad scientist he was pretending, if you know what character developement means then it was mainly done in zero not in the original for okabe. You only dont like it and you think it's an argument. The best okabe is the one from SG 0, he is the one we spent with 22 episodes of the original in the alpha line and moved the the beta line where zero takes place. He is the one who has gone through the suffering more than any other okabe, he is the one who saw the cruel future and experienced it, he is the one who returned years back by a huge number of time leaps to the extent that he was completly mad at the end, he is the true mad scientist. He is the one who found the solution to reach steins gate and sacrified him self for that to happen, this okabe lived all what the okabe from the orignal has lived and more, except he didnt reach steins gate. I dont know how you can say that this isnt the best okabe while the one you claim to be the best is only a part of this okabe, you seem not to know what you are taliking about. (The only thing okabe from the original did and the other didnt is stabbing himself to save kurisu, but the other okabe provided the idea, and this one executed it) You didnt come up with a solid argument that prooves that you have to watch the series in the release order, you said zero ruined the climax but this is your opininon because you didnt like zero, the climax of sg 0 is the last 7 episodes wheter you like it or not, and it's a straight path to the climax of the original, yes it took another route but you are biased because you watched the finale then moved to zero,for someone who watched it in the chronoligical order, things flow naturaly and this story of the climax doesnt make any sense as for him he is only in the middle of the story. I've never seen anyone who watched it in the chronological order complaining, instead i've seen plenty of them wonderin how we did watch zero knowing what is going to happen. Your problem is that you didnt like sg zero, and you cant put yourself in the shoes of someone experiencing the story for the first time. I also watched the series in the realese order first, but when i rewatched it in the chronoligical order i realised that this make more sense in terms of the progression of the story, even though the original is better that zero. The ending of the original was rushed, dont lie to yourself, we didnt know anything about the okabe who sent the message to the current okabe, we didnt know how the solution was found, mayuri slapping okabe wasnt the natural thing, she didnt know anything about kurisu at that time, all she was seing is an okabe completly lost in despair, him slaping him and pushing him to go save kurisu wasnt the best cintinuation, it s sg 0 that provides the most logical and natural explanation that has to do with the other mayuri from beta line, this mayuri knows what okabe will suffer if she doesnt push him to save kurisu and she convinced her old self to slap okabe and awaken him. The original ending was great as i said, but only when you see how really things worked out in that moment and the reasons behind that, only then the ending becomes a masterpiece. Wrong, my only argument wasn't that I simply disliked Steins;Gate 0, I provided other arguments but you just ignored them, I mentioned that the anime of Steins;Gate 0 had other glaring issues like an unfinished story that the anime bringed up only to get tossed aside, it also had generic characters and most of them didn't provided anything and that's funny, the one preventing people from enjoying the anime is actually YOU because you are the one telling people to watch the anime differently from how it was supposed to be watched which is the "airing order", the irony. And I already said that Steins;Gate 0 had a story that dragged forever to get somewhere, it was SLOW, the pacing was simply bad because the anime tried to mash in it the different routes of the VN and hence, the end result of the anime was the child of Frankenstein, the anime combined different routes from the VN into a single one and that only means one thing, there's a lot of thing that was left unexplored in the anime and even worse, they brought stuff up and got tossed aside like it was irrelevant when it was actually relevant in the VN. As a stand alone product the anime wasn't good, the anime was more of an "expansion" of the VN, if the anime didn't had these glaring issues and was presented in a more logical, better directed, consistent way then yeah, I probably wouldn't have issues with the chronological order and even then, I would still admit that it wouldn't be the best way to watch it anyway and the crappy animation the anime had was adding fuel to the fire but the crappy animation wasn't the only thing I complained about. You never saw nobody complaining about watching it in chronological order but I did, some of my friends complained about watching it that way and others didn't, that still doesn't mean that the chronological order is the best way to watch it and I already explained my reasons so I won't explain it again. And again, good for you that you consider Okabe from Steins;Gate 0 the best one of the bunch, I would pat yourself in the back if I were there to make you feel better, the Okabe in the OG also had character development and I liked him better. And I'm not lying to myself, the ending in the OG wasn't rushed, I loved it, the only thing I disliked about episode 24 in the OG is that Okabe didn't go "prepared" to do the most important mission in his life which is to save the world and save his loved one, Okabe went unprepared because he didn't even checked his tools before the mission (aka, the fake blood), he simply went to the mission assuming that the fake blood was there when that thing dried up months ago, this was illogical IMHO and I didn't liked it that much but everything else in the ending was awesome, yeah I know this happened in the VN too but this little thing is my only complaint on this amazing anime. Steins;Gate 0 was the one that had me complaining and eye-rolling with all the dumb crap I saw there. And Mayuri slapping Okabe in the OG made sense, he saw Okabe down and deppressed and slapped some sense into him because she probably never saw him that deppressed in all her life, she knew something bad happened and wanted to help him, everyone that watched the OG when it aired didn't complained about the slap either because it also made sense so for you to say that the slap didn't made sense or that it wasn't natural is actually absurd. |
| Since you are being nice I will behave in my comments. RespectGT said: Okabe - He is my most lovable character, my favorite... Hence, I could say Steins;Gate got a better development, Steins;Gate 0 had a better build up and ending compared to the OG... Also, it is unusual for Mayuri to slap him because it is out of the character for her, it is normal for her to protect Okabe since he was depressed and broken. Fair enough, in my case though I tried really hard to love Okabe in the midquel but I just couldn't, don't get me wrong I really liked him in the first couple of episodes but once I saw a stagnant story not getting anywhere and Okabe not doing anything to move the story forward either then this was a big sign for me that something was wrong in the midquel. He started getting interesting in episode 19 (which is the episode the anime really started for me) but by this point it was too late for me. About the slap from Mayuri, I had no issues with it, in my eyes (and everyone eyes at that time since nobody complained about it either) Mayuri simply slapped some sense to Okabe because she never saw him that depressed before and wanted to help him, it's only when you insert Steins;Gate 0 into the mix that people might find that slap weird but this was never the intention of the OG. RespectGT said: Mayuri - Steins;Gate 0 carried her character development to be honest, in the OG, she is only just a plot device that the audiences are scared if she said "Oh No, I just wound you, Don't tell me you're broken" or "Tutturuu", she didn't even know Kurisu or about time travel when Okabe altered the worldline but it is normal... In S;G 0, she is relevant to the story, she can feel that Okabe is broken and wants Hououin Kyouma back. It is in her character to save Okabe from getting slapped by Suzuha but it is unusual for her to slap him that is why S;G 0 is relevant to the story... Mayuri definitely had a more important role in the midquel but wouldn't say that her character development was better (to me at least), IMHO this one is debatable because she had great character development in the OG as well but if she happens to have better character development in the midquel then I won't have issues with that either. Anyways, I liked Mayuri more in the OG because she was more of a cute innocent "airhead" there and that's what I loved about her in the first place, in Steins;Gate 0 she changed her personality completely and was more mature and I just didn't liked that complete overhaul in her personality, she was a completely different person there so not only is Okabe different, Mayuri was also different in the midquel. I wouldn't mind about their personality change if the story of Steins;Gate 0 was better but for me it wasn't, the story was worse and the characters are different, this is not good for me. RespectGT said: Daru - One of the most fascinating character development coming from him in Steins;Gate 0... He is on a path of being a father model to Suzuha bit by bit and understands why he let Suzuha travelled back into the past. In the OG, he didn't develop much rather than just being a perverted weeb who faps on hentai... Daru definitely had better character development in Steins;Gate 0, I agree but again, character developments for me won't mean much anyway in the midquel if the story is uninteresting and unfortunately this is the case with Steins;Gate 0 (for me). RespectGT said: Music - Even though Hacking to the Gate is better than Fatima, admit it, Last Game is much better than the OG ED(fuck I forgot the whole name), even Song Played By The Stars, Lyra, Messenger, etc. is better tbh... The OST in Steins;Gate 0 is one of it's stronger points, I loved the OST, that being said, I loved the OST in the OG more. The Opening and Ending in Steins;Gate 0 is pretty awesome too and IMHO this part is actually better than the OG. Debatable sure but I liked the OP and ED more in the midquel. RespectGT said: Animations - Both OG Steins;Gate and the 0 had bad animations on some details... On this one I have to respectfully disagree, the animation in Steins;Gate 0 was much MUCH worse thanks to the illogical action scenes which didn't made sense and the animation made it even worse. Even though the OG had some weird animation in episode 17 when the thugs was kidnapping Faris and attacking Okabe, this wasn't nearly as bad as what happened in Steins;Gate 0. RespectGT said: Instances like when Okabe is running and running just to go to the time leap machine like duh... Isn't there anyone chasing you? Or leaping without opening the time leap machine... I am talking about the OG okay... True, In my eyes though Okabe managed to get away because those thugs are simply random untrained guys with mental issues so you can outrun them if you have better cardio, Okabe is untrained as well but Okabe know exactly what's going to happen so that gives him that "extra" energy to escape, those thugs doesn't know that Okabe is going to time leap either so they aren't putting much of a fight in chasing Okabe, to them they just won the fight and Okabe will simply get captured sooner or later. This is my excuse for it and if I think of it that way it actually makes sense for me, I wish I shouldn't be inventing excuses though. The only one I really have an issue with is in the beginning of episode 17, how was Okabe able to escape those thugs in the lab without Suzuha around? this one didn't made sense and I can't invent excuses for this one, luckily the awesome story the anime had was able to make me toss this issue aside but yeah, this one was indeed weird and illogical and now that I remember, this one was actually my first complaint about Steins;Gate, my second complaint is when Okabe didn't checked the "fake blood" before doing the most important mission of his life, going to a mission without checking his tools is simply illogical. Those are my only 2 major complaints about Steins;Gate and even with those, I still consider Steins;Gate the best anime I have watched. In Steins;Gate 0 my complaints were plenty though. RespectGT said: In the 0, I really missed the noise of the cicadas or the beginning signs or warnings that the OG created, in the 0, they didn't do that and it made me sad... Also, the FIGHTING SCENESSS!!!! Cringy! Completely agree, the Cicadas and Butterflies the OG Steins;Gate had are the cool little details that made the anime better, those little details is one of the things that immerse people like me into the story, those are the type of details you usually see in anime movies so Steins;Gate actually made me feel like I was watching a movie most of the time which is nice since most animes aren't able to do that to me. That "magic" is something that a good director with experience can achieve and Steins;Gate was able to do it with the director. Unfortunately Steins;Gate 0 had a different director and wasn't able to do that "magic", I will praise him for episode 8 though which was an amazing episode that I loved. RespectGT said: I could also say that Steins;Gate 0 is going to make the OG series better and more epic in the Episode 23... I wish this was the case but Steins;Gate 0 didn't do it for me. I loved what happened in the OG episode 23, it didn't needed anything else but hey, that's just me. RespectGT said: Although, I could say that the OG Steins;Gate really is rushed but it is a better watch as a whole and stand alone anime... But Steins;Gate 0 will make your experience better especially when you all REWATCH (NOT Watch it for the first time) all the series in Chronological Order... I really didn't find the OG Steins;Gate to be rushed in the end but I guess it will feel rushed for some people, I agree that Steins;Gate is a better watch as a whole. I guess Steins;Gate 0 will make the experience with some people better in a rewatch as well but this didn't happen to me, once I finished Steins;Gate 0 I actually felt disappointed by it, that rewatch didn't made my experience with the OG Steins;Gate better, the OG was already awesome for me to begin with so it didn't needed anything else. Steins;Gate 0 felt like an incomplete anime to me, bringing stuff up and tossing it aside wasn't good either, if they were going to toss it aside they shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. |
Resus-2Jun 10, 2020 10:41 PM
RespectGT said: The question is, if there will going to be a remake of Steins;Gate 0 with the same director as the OG, would you all going to watch it? Hell yeah, I will watch it right away, I won't make the same mistake I did with Steins;Gate 0 though which was having my expectations high, having your expectations high will only lead to disappointment if the anime doesn't reach those standards. He's a better director no doubt but Steins;Gate 0 is still a hard one to adapt because of the many story branches so I will watch it with my expectations low but I'm sure that director will do a better job at it. |
| Watch Steins;gate. Then watch Steins;Gate Ep 23beta Then Steins;Gate 0 Movie is non canon but still pretty good so if you wanna see it watch it after these. |
SonomeKohi said: Here's another reminder that this watch order doesn't work. S;G0's Okabe, for one, wouldn't have come across Suzuha around the events of the first episode. Here's the proper S;G order: S;G VN (the anime isn't completely canon) S;G Babel (the story from Makise's perspective, canon) S;G Epigraph (this is what S;G0 is based on, and is canon.) S;G0 VN (Several iterations of 0kabe) S;G0 Anime (it's a continuation to the VN's story, being the final iteration of 0kabe.) Even if you don't wanna do everything extra, the order is still: S;G -> S;G0 VN -> S;G0 Anime The Okabe from episode 23beta is the Okabe in the S;G0 VN, not the anime. Want proof? It was released as a way of marketing the S;G0 VN when it was released, and the S;G0 anime still wasn't being made yet. Oh, and this isn't even with the rest of the Science Adventure series. Steins;Gate has plenty of Chaos;Head references, and S;G0 has C;C references, too. Not to mention that Nae's grown up and shows up a lot in Robotics;Notes, Daru is a main part of Robotics;Notes DaSH, etc. And, S;G not even doing anything to the Committee of 300, the people behind SERN's wrongdoings. Epigraph is not canon anymore, since 0 VN retconned it. |
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| The broadcast order is completely fine, although for the full depth, the visual novels are better, including some of the anime movies and specials since they're cannon anime-only sequels. |
| Much better: you don't have to watch any of it |
Ferien said: Much better: you don't have to watch any of it Thank you for encouraging the discussion dear hater. Go and watch Narutu, that's your level. |
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Ferien said: Much better: you don't have to watch any of it I can pretty much agree with that last sentence of your Perfect Blue tag. |
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Junchi said: Ferien said: Much better: you don't have to watch any of it I can pretty much agree with that last sentence of your Perfect Blue tag. I'm aware of that, since that's exactly the type of thing a typical elitist like you would think. |
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