I don't understand how "war" works, can someone explain in PoV of this anime as well as real life view?
The Saga of Tanya the Evil (light novel)
| **English isn't my first language, so they might be some confusion** The Empire(imperial) wanted to declare war against whole world(in first season), it seems everyone is agreed. Now in this movie, they have the biggest enemies namely The Federation, where they recruit some 'outside force(?)' to fight against The Empire. So, The Empire is waiting for them to attack first and they did, so Tanya squad suggest to stir up bigger problem for The Federation and to anger them so they will official declare war against The Empire. So, Tanya squad actually went and successfully light up the spark and even had the chance to completely crush the enemies as shown in this movie, but they didn't do so. After this event, The Empire were blamed by some 'unknown political' force from doing so. And after that, resulting to a huge invasion from The Federation, and WHY THE FUCK THERE IS NO UNKNOWN POLITICAL FORCE BLAMING THEM? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG? I DON'T GET IT! So, after everything above are done for, Tanya did bring up the reason with the unknown plans written in the papers. Although I don't know what these so-called papers for... BUT in the end, The Empire still giving Tanya a much bigger armies to destroy enemies through brute force. The Empire agrees on Tanya's destruction but then unknown political force disagreed. WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE UNKNOWN POLITICAL FORCE? SO ARE THEY GOING TO CONQUER THE WORLD OR NOT? THIS IS VERY CONTRADICTING! |
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TossedOut said: It's Imperial Germany not Nazi Germany. Anyways agreed with how the Allies will use the offensive as a propaganda tool. By giving the commies a bloody nose Tanya relieved the front (some troops were drawn back to protect the cities) and achieved a great propaganda victory. Tanya showed a massive flaw in the commies army (mages are all in the gulag :thinking:), so both the commies and their friends (the Allies) don't like seeing the empire succeed so magnificently. So they denounced the empire which is pretty par for the course in war/politics. That "propaganda victory" was a double edged sword for them. Reason why is because they humiliated the enemy as it was said in the movie. They did achieve what they planned but they went to far and what they did came back to bite them in the ass. This can be seen in the scene with the commie cabinet when Mr pervy commie (Gorbachev most likely even tho he should be a kid at this time but its a fictional world so no issues with it) yells that something must be done as a reprisal for what had happened to their capital city. But propaganda for what it is did give the soldiers of Empire a huge morale boost. |
  “The most shameless thing in the world is political power that can be inherited regardless of ability or talent!” |
aLotQuestion_ said: **English isn't my first language, so they might be some confusion** The Empire(imperial) wanted to declare war against whole world(in first season), it seems everyone is agreed. Now in this movie, they have the biggest enemies namely The Federation, where they recruit some 'outside force(?)' to fight against The Empire. So, The Empire is waiting for them to attack first and they did, so Tanya squad suggest to stir up bigger problem for The Federation and to anger them so they will official declare war against The Empire. So, Tanya squad actually went and successfully light up the spark and even had the chance to completely crush the enemies as shown in this movie, but they didn't do so. After this event, The Empire were blamed by some 'unknown political' force from doing so. And after that, resulting to a huge invasion from The Federation, and WHY THE FUCK THERE IS NO UNKNOWN POLITICAL FORCE BLAMING THEM? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG? I DON'T GET IT! So, after everything above are done for, Tanya did bring up the reason with the unknown plans written in the papers. Although I don't know what these so-called papers for... BUT in the end, The Empire still giving Tanya a much bigger armies to destroy enemies through brute force. The Empire agrees on Tanya's destruction but then unknown political force disagreed. WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE UNKNOWN POLITICAL FORCE? SO ARE THEY GOING TO CONQUER THE WORLD OR NOT? THIS IS VERY CONTRADICTING! As far as i know they did not plan on having to wage a war against the whole world. Tanya was the one to tell that the possibility of a world war is there to Zettour, Rudersdorf and Rerugen. “Now in this movie, they have the biggest enemies namely The Federation, where they recruit some 'outside force(?)' to fight against The Empire.” These who you call outside forces are mercenaries sent from the Allied countries. “So, The Empire is waiting for them to attack first and they did, so Tanya squad suggest to stir up bigger problem for The Federation and to anger them so they will official declare war against The Empire.” You are so wrong here that i wonder if you even watched the movie at all. Federation started a bombardment which was a declaration of war. After this Tanya’s squad was supposed to give a hand to their frontline troops who were in a pinch but like you said she came up with a better plan which needed confirmation from the main HQ. The plan was approved and it consisted of them making a ruckus in the Moscow so that the commies would move a part of their forces backwards to defend the cities. Them doing this would be a great help to Empire. “So, Tanya squad actually went and successfully light up the spark and even had the chance to completely crush the enemies as shown in this movie, but they didn't do so. After this event, The Empire were blamed by some unknown political force from doing so.” They did crush them but it was more of a humiliation. Blamed by who? I don’t remember that part at all… “And after that, resulting to a huge invasion from The Federation, ” So, after everything above are done for, Tanya did bring up the reason with the unknown plans written in the papers. Although I don't know what these so-called papers for…” Those plans are probably Tanya giving them an insight of how the war is waged in today’s time and what they should do to counter enemy armies. “in the end, The Empire still giving Tanya a much bigger armies to destroy enemies through brute force.” These are now better and more organized army forces than they were before because Tanya spent two months working on reorganazing their army and making a new plan for the war. From what i can see, you watched the movie just for the sake of watching it. It is most likely that you watched it in horrible subs as well since you failed to grasp everything about it. One more thing whenever they introduced new characters there were descriptions below them saying they were this person from this and that country. |
“The most shameless thing in the world is political power that can be inherited regardless of ability or talent!” |
| I dont quite understand your main question, basically the federation attacked first and gets aid in form of volunteers (that is actually a thing) from the US which is why Mary Sue is in Moskva. There is really nothing complicated going on. Tanyas plan when she attacked Moskva was to destroy their fighting spirit and force them to protect the backlands. They went too far and humiliated the federation which is why they launched the all out assult instead of waiting. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| In the anime the Empire is always to one attacked first. The Empire is like a big state and grow both in territories and power making the neighbors fear about a invasion so they tried to invade them first and kill this threat but then they failed and the Empire grow even more become a giant state in the middle of the world. Now everyone wants to take them down because they are too big to be ignored. |
Luchse75 said: TossedOut said: It's Imperial Germany not Nazi Germany. Anyways agreed with how the Allies will use the offensive as a propaganda tool. By giving the commies a bloody nose Tanya relieved the front (some troops were drawn back to protect the cities) and achieved a great propaganda victory. Tanya showed a massive flaw in the commies army (mages are all in the gulag :thinking:), so both the commies and their friends (the Allies) don't like seeing the empire succeed so magnificently. So they denounced the empire which is pretty par for the course in war/politics. That "propaganda victory" was a double edged sword for them. Reason why is because they humiliated the enemy as it was said in the movie. They did achieve what they planned but they went to far and what they did came back to bite them in the ass. This can be seen in the scene with the commie cabinet when Mr pervy commie (Gorbachev most likely even tho he should be a kid at this time but its a fictional world so no issues with it) yells that something must be done as a reprisal for what had happened to their capital city. But propaganda for what it is did give the soldiers of Empire a huge morale boost. Maybe you are mixing people because the secret police guy (perv) is clearly modeled after Beria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria |
Kuruwin said: Luchse75 said: That "propaganda victory" was a double edged sword for them. Reason why is because they humiliated the enemy as it was said in the movie. They did achieve what they planned but they went to far and what they did came back to bite them in the ass. This can be seen in the scene with the commie cabinet when Mr pervy commie (Gorbachev most likely even tho he should be a kid at this time but its a fictional world so no issues with it) yells that something must be done as a reprisal for what had happened to their capital city. But propaganda for what it is did give the soldiers of Empire a huge morale boost. Maybe you are mixing people because the secret police guy (perv) is clearly modeled after Beria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria They made one person out of two by using the scar from gorbachev and the face of Beria. |
“The most shameless thing in the world is political power that can be inherited regardless of ability or talent!” |
| not that I particularly know what you're talking about, but it should be a given that the big picture of geopolitics and grand strategy makes jack-shit sense in Youjo Senki lol |
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| Uhhhhh did you even watch the movie? I was expecting a actual question but this is exact opposite of what happened in the movie. You should just rewatch it because it wasn't that hard to follow. I don't mean that as an insult to you or anything but the movie addresses EVERYTHING you asked, and the events did not transpire the way you think they did. The Empire in Youjo Senki never intended to declare war on the Federation. Tensions were high and Tanya was there to recon the Federation's troop movements in case war does break out. The Federation do in fact start the war, and to alleviate the pressure on the front lines, Tanya went to attack their capital. Which drew the attention of the Federation. There was no unknown political force. The problem was that the victory was so demeaning to the Federation, that it had political implications. The defeat was so bad the Federation wouldn't accept peace talk until it saves its face. Or else the Federation would seem weak and incompetent to the rest of the world. Imagine a defeat like Pearl Harbor, the US would never negotiate with Japan afterwards. And in fact US refuse to accept anything less than an unconditional surrender. By defacing the Federation's capital and landmarks, the defeat was similar to that of Pearl Harbor. The Federation would not sue for peace unless its entire existence is under threat. As for the "army" given to Tanya. No it's not brute force. Tanya used her modern day knowledge(while using empirical data from battle) to propose a combined arms unit. She did this as an excuse to be in the rear echelon, safe from any potential fighting. While the proposal was agreed upon, she was given command of the new experimental combined arms unit, since she proposed it. Combined arms basically just means cooperation of different type of units to complement each other. Pretty simple concept and such ideas exists for a long time to differing degrees. However it wasn't until the end of WW1 that it became what we know it as today. It was developed over the interwar period until it reached maturation during WW2. Combined arms in the modern context usually means motorization and mechanization. For all types of units to work together, they need to move at the same pace. So the cumbersome towed artillery become self-propelled artillery while slow infantry are moved by trucks, halftracks and APC. The infantry Fighting Vehicle of today is the pinnacle of infantry-armor cooperation, down to the tactical level. Air groups and armor is divided in to smaller unit where they are commanded by a shared structure. This means a single commander can coordinate both elements, instead of requesting support from another branch. Portable radio communication becomes essential since units are smaller and the need to communicate with asymmetrical supporting units like artillery, tanks and planes. It is an organizational, tactical and doctrine changes, not necessarily strategic or equipment changes. Although the latter often do change to accommodate the use of combined arms. |
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