Why do people think Darling in the Franxx doesn’t have plot?

May 22, 2018 5:00 AM

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DragonSlayer_19 said:
Actually, the show has a plot and it’s tied with what the characters do. Basically the character drama and development feeds into the plot. Everything the characters do is affecting their world and inducing a reaction from their surroundings (like I’m talking about APE and nines who are central figures in the plot) , and with everything they do, more plot points and world aspects are revealed (like emotional indoctrination, gender conformation, more foreshadowing to the klaxosaurs princess and her connection to zero two, foreshadowing to the nature of APE and their ultimate goal). Just my opinion. They still have a chance to wrap it up. It can go either way, but I’m not gonna dismiss the show just yet until we’re near the final couple of episodes.

Finally someone understood what he is watching. It's a character driven sci-fi show where the children are basically guinea pigs both for APE and Dr. Franxx. The interactions between the children, who are experimental subjects, determine the actions of APE and Dr. Franxx.
I don't know how some people are not able to understand this yet.

May 22, 2018 5:25 AM

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lmao, people genuinely are arguing 02 isn't waifu bait. Franxx is a magical girlfriend anime to a T.

Ryutai said:

DragonSlayer_19 said:
Actually, the show has a plot and it’s tied with what the characters do. Basically the character drama and development feeds into the plot. Everything the characters do is affecting their world and inducing a reaction from their surroundings (like I’m talking about APE and nines who are central figures in the plot) , and with everything they do, more plot points and world aspects are revealed (like emotional indoctrination, gender conformation, more foreshadowing to the klaxosaurs princess and her connection to zero two, foreshadowing to the nature of APE and their ultimate goal). Just my opinion. They still have a chance to wrap it up. It can go either way, but I’m not gonna dismiss the show just yet until we’re near the final couple of episodes.

Finally someone understood what he is watching. It's a character driven sci-fi show where the children are basically guinea pigs both for APE and Dr. Franxx. The interactions between the children, who are experimental subjects, determine the actions of APE and Dr. Franxx.
I don't know how some people are not able to understand this yet.

Oh, we understand. It's just that the characters in this one are terrible.

May 22, 2018 6:14 AM

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Jin_uzuki said:
lmao, people genuinely are arguing 02 isn't waifu bait. Franxx is a magical girlfriend anime to a T.

Ryutai said:

Finally someone understood what he is watching. It's a character driven sci-fi show where the children are basically guinea pigs both for APE and Dr. Franxx. The interactions between the children, who are experimental subjects, determine the actions of APE and Dr. Franxx.
I don't know how some people are not able to understand this yet.

Oh, we understand. It's just that the characters in this one are terrible.

I don't think they are terrible. They are little kids that act like little kids are supposed to act. I don't know which kind of complexity or maturity people are expecting from them. They are naive and emotional.

May 22, 2018 10:45 AM

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There is a plot there; Surviving in a barren land. The plot-line moves on different characters and different backgrounds. So, it is sometimes confusing.

May 23, 2018 1:32 AM

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Ryutai said:

Jin_uzuki said:
lmao, people genuinely are arguing 02 isn't waifu bait. Franxx is a magical girlfriend anime to a T.

Oh, we understand. It's just that the characters in this one are terrible.

I don't think they are terrible. They are little kids that act like little kids are supposed to act. I don't know which kind of complexity or maturity people are expecting from them. They are naive and emotional.

Wow someone who actually knew what they were watching.

May 23, 2018 3:32 AM

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I think it's partly because false advertisement (Gundam meets Starship Troopers) and first half of the show. What it ends up being is tale about kids caged in dystopia without any knowledge, power, aim or purpose. Of course it's a plot but looking at kids learning some basic emotions or truths is just painfully boring. Also some plot twists are presented way to late and don't bring much to the table.

Show is constantly hinting about some great secret but we actually didn't get any solid info what the hell is happening, is this even earth, what was the first contact between humans and blue goo, who are those masked old farts, how special unit got created, why Mecha needs that unique way of steering.

We are almost as blind as those kids and it's irritating because we shouldn't. We saw a lost of background infos but it's all cut up in a way you can't get logical conclusions. Speculations were fun in episode 8 not in episode 18.

I just hope that special unit wont end up as hermaphrodites just for the shock value.

May 23, 2018 9:07 AM

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trips said:
I think it's partly because false advertisement (Gundam meets Starship Troopers) and first half of the show. What it ends up being is tale about kids caged in dystopia without any knowledge, power, aim or purpose. Of course it's a plot but looking at kids learning some basic emotions or truths is just painfully boring. Also some plot twists are presented way to late and don't bring much to the table.

Show is constantly hinting about some great secret but we actually didn't get any solid info what the hell is happening, is this even earth, what was the first contact between humans and blue goo, who are those masked old farts, how special unit got created, why Mecha needs that unique way of steering.

We are almost as blind as those kids and it's irritating because we shouldn't. We saw a lost of background infos but it's all cut up in a way you can't get logical conclusions. Speculations were fun in episode 8 not in episode 18.

I just hope that special unit wont end up as hermaphrodites just for the shock value.

If we had learned everything there was about APE, Papa, & the Klaxosaurs by episode 8 how would the story have turned out? What exactly did you want from the series that wasn’t present/handled well?

May 23, 2018 10:26 AM

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It’s just, the show’s more of a waifu war than anything at this point. Standard childhood friend vs. Monster girl who says “Daalin.” Going in I thought, “Oh, they’re trying to copy Eva. Hopefully it’s at least done well.” And the first few episodes were fine, then the show started getting bland and repetitive, so they decided “wait, we forgot character development for everyone else besides 02 and Hiro!”, so they shoved in a few episodes revolving around single characters (if I remember correctly), which killed the pacing. The last few episodes now feel like they’re trying to do slice of life, out of nowhere. I actually liked where 02 snapped and Ichigo confessed and held Hiro back and all that stuff, because it was in-character and actually progressed those 3 characters and show forwards. It was a mistake to include so many characters in the first place, but if they had too little, they would be even further called out for being an Eva rip-off without any of the stuff that made that show great. Ah well, stopped at 16, may pick it up again if there’s nothing better to do, but all the episodes are spoiled on Instagram the moment they come out anyways.

May 23, 2018 11:28 AM

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spideypeter000 said:

MoonStar9 said:

Mercy_maya6 said:

MoonStar9 said:

spideypeter000 said:

MoonStar9 said:
18 episodes of nothing but teen angst and drama. No questions about the world or its inhabitants have been answered despite characters literally going from being acquaintances to being married and possibly with child. In a futuristic world of Kaijus and teen soldiers piloting mechs powered by sexual compatibility, the viewers are instead limited to watching episodes of teen romance and drama with no exploration of the world beyond that. This anime is true to its fanbase - Zero substance, zero plot, just seasonal waifu shit recolored in the form of Zero Two. Apart from Mitsuru, Kokoro, and Zero Two who is probably the most waifu-pandering character of 2018 so far, no other character has received any development 18 episodes into the series. And even then their development is limited to teenage romance because that's the bread and butter of this anime - not a compelling story with interesting themes, Zero Two waifu who will sell our merchandise. The MC is so generic that he can literally be replaced with any other seasonal romcom MC and nothing would change as his role is simply to serve as a self-insert for waifu-pandering Zero Two. And every other character stagnates. Mitsuru and Kokoro are developing, wipe their memories and stagnate the cast further. Goro likes Ichigo who like Hiro who is intimate with Zero Two? Don't show them together, stagnate the characters. Gay Ikuno is displaced in this world that relies on binary sexual compatibility, stagnate the character by limiting her to 1 minute of angst per episode.

The only thing that feeds me is the dank memes and schooling the real-life Futoshis who think Kokoro is a whore for breaking a childish one-sided promise.

Zero Two has been shown in femme fatale light she is a murder that isn’t waifu-pandering you can’t get salty a character is liked, called waifu and sells merchandise lmfao.

Are you shitting me?! The entire point of the character is to be waifu bait for otakus. She's more waifu bait than Asuna! The very foundation of her character isn't the existential crisis of not being human or Klaxosaur or being deprived of human social interactions. It's being with her "darling".

Waifu bait are perfect and flawless does pretty much no wrong designed for maximum desirability, that isn’t Zero Two just riding with her could cause death, she has abusive, murderous, non caring character traits, literally abused the MC & knocked out his friends. The fact you are comparing her with Asuna shows you have zero clue what you are talking about.

Wrong. waifu bait characters are perfect and flawless in every aspect but a few to which the MC is created to resolve for her. Not the character herself. Zero Two is the biggest waifu bait character to have come out in recent memory.

spideypeter000 said:

MoonStar9 said:

spideypeter000 said:

MoonStar9 said:
18 episodes of nothing but teen angst and drama. No questions about the world or its inhabitants have been answered despite characters literally going from being acquaintances to being married and possibly with child. In a futuristic world of Kaijus and teen soldiers piloting mechs powered by sexual compatibility, the viewers are instead limited to watching episodes of teen romance and drama with no exploration of the world beyond that. This anime is true to its fanbase - Zero substance, zero plot, just seasonal waifu shit recolored in the form of Zero Two. Apart from Mitsuru, Kokoro, and Zero Two who is probably the most waifu-pandering character of 2018 so far, no other character has received any development 18 episodes into the series. And even then their development is limited to teenage romance because that's the bread and butter of this anime - not a compelling story with interesting themes, Zero Two waifu who will sell our merchandise. The MC is so generic that he can literally be replaced with any other seasonal romcom MC and nothing would change as his role is simply to serve as a self-insert for waifu-pandering Zero Two. And every other character stagnates. Mitsuru and Kokoro are developing, wipe their memories and stagnate the cast further. Goro likes Ichigo who like Hiro who is intimate with Zero Two? Don't show them together, stagnate the characters. Gay Ikuno is displaced in this world that relies on binary sexual compatibility, stagnate the character by limiting her to 1 minute of angst per episode.

The only thing that feeds me is the dank memes and schooling the real-life Futoshis who think Kokoro is a whore for breaking a childish one-sided promise.

Zero Two has been shown in femme fatale light she is a murder that isn’t waifu-pandering you can’t get salty a character is liked, called waifu and sells merchandise lmfao.

Are you shitting me?! The entire point of the character is to be waifu bait for otakus. She's more waifu bait than Asuna! The very foundation of her character isn't the existential crisis of not being human or Klaxosaur or being deprived of human social interactions. It's being with her "darling".

so let me get this straight you posted some gifs of a character being playful and having fun so I guess most characters are waifu bait and did you watch episode 13 no shit she wants to be with her darling it’s perfectly explained in the anime. Your argument basically is, a character being in love, and doing cute shit makes them waifu bait what ridiculous nonsense.

The point of the gifs is to illustrate the worth of the character. Stop arguing semantics. This is the character's worth. Not her existential dilemma and subsequent resolution of this. Moe and erotica. Being lovey-dovey with her husbando just as with Asuna throughout SAO. Essentially what is depicted in those pictures is Zero Two's worth. That's why the artist for the manga is Kentaro Yabuki, famous for his unashamed sexual drawings in To Love Ru. And for what it's worth, I didn't even search for those pictures specifically all I did was type her name in and those pictures were at the top of the chart. She's the biggest waifu bait of recent memory.

Your illustration of what a waifu bait character is so wide and nonsensical I don’t even see the point of calling a character it using your logic, those are typical interactions between couples and let’s use the last few laid back episodes as indicators of worth since that’s where those gifs are from, it’s pretty much let’s have underage sex, lets make babies, totally ignorant to the responsibilities of parenthood, and let’s throw a wedding for our friends being total idiots

Mercy_maya6 said:

MoonStar9 said:

Mercy_maya6 said:

MoonStar9 said:

spideypeter000 said:

MoonStar9 said:
18 episodes of nothing but teen angst and drama. No questions about the world or its inhabitants have been answered despite characters literally going from being acquaintances to being married and possibly with child. In a futuristic world of Kaijus and teen soldiers piloting mechs powered by sexual compatibility, the viewers are instead limited to watching episodes of teen romance and drama with no exploration of the world beyond that. This anime is true to its fanbase - Zero substance, zero plot, just seasonal waifu shit recolored in the form of Zero Two. Apart from Mitsuru, Kokoro, and Zero Two who is probably the most waifu-pandering character of 2018 so far, no other character has received any development 18 episodes into the series. And even then their development is limited to teenage romance because that's the bread and butter of this anime - not a compelling story with interesting themes, Zero Two waifu who will sell our merchandise. The MC is so generic that he can literally be replaced with any other seasonal romcom MC and nothing would change as his role is simply to serve as a self-insert for waifu-pandering Zero Two. And every other character stagnates. Mitsuru and Kokoro are developing, wipe their memories and stagnate the cast further. Goro likes Ichigo who like Hiro who is intimate with Zero Two? Don't show them together, stagnate the characters. Gay Ikuno is displaced in this world that relies on binary sexual compatibility, stagnate the character by limiting her to 1 minute of angst per episode.

The only thing that feeds me is the dank memes and schooling the real-life Futoshis who think Kokoro is a whore for breaking a childish one-sided promise.

Zero Two has been shown in femme fatale light she is a murder that isn’t waifu-pandering you can’t get salty a character is liked, called waifu and sells merchandise lmfao.

Are you shitting me?! The entire point of the character is to be waifu bait for otakus. She's more waifu bait than Asuna! The very foundation of her character isn't the existential crisis of not being human or Klaxosaur or being deprived of human social interactions. It's being with her "darling".

Waifu bait are perfect and flawless does pretty much no wrong designed for maximum desirability, that isn’t Zero Two just riding with her could cause death, she has abusive, murderous, non caring character traits, literally abused the MC & knocked out his friends. The fact you are comparing her with Asuna shows you have zero clue what you are talking about.

Wrong. waifu bait characters are perfect and flawless in every aspect but a few to which the MC is created to resolve for her. Not the character herself. Zero Two is the biggest waifu bait character to have come out in recent memory.

spideypeter000 said:

MoonStar9 said:

spideypeter000 said:

MoonStar9 said:
18 episodes of nothing but teen angst and drama. No questions about the world or its inhabitants have been answered despite characters literally going from being acquaintances to being married and possibly with child. In a futuristic world of Kaijus and teen soldiers piloting mechs powered by sexual compatibility, the viewers are instead limited to watching episodes of teen romance and drama with no exploration of the world beyond that. This anime is true to its fanbase - Zero substance, zero plot, just seasonal waifu shit recolored in the form of Zero Two. Apart from Mitsuru, Kokoro, and Zero Two who is probably the most waifu-pandering character of 2018 so far, no other character has received any development 18 episodes into the series. And even then their development is limited to teenage romance because that's the bread and butter of this anime - not a compelling story with interesting themes, Zero Two waifu who will sell our merchandise. The MC is so generic that he can literally be replaced with any other seasonal romcom MC and nothing would change as his role is simply to serve as a self-insert for waifu-pandering Zero Two. And every other character stagnates. Mitsuru and Kokoro are developing, wipe their memories and stagnate the cast further. Goro likes Ichigo who like Hiro who is intimate with Zero Two? Don't show them together, stagnate the characters. Gay Ikuno is displaced in this world that relies on binary sexual compatibility, stagnate the character by limiting her to 1 minute of angst per episode.

The only thing that feeds me is the dank memes and schooling the real-life Futoshis who think Kokoro is a whore for breaking a childish one-sided promise.

Zero Two has been shown in femme fatale light she is a murder that isn’t waifu-pandering you can’t get salty a character is liked, called waifu and sells merchandise lmfao.

Are you shitting me?! The entire point of the character is to be waifu bait for otakus. She's more waifu bait than Asuna! The very foundation of her character isn't the existential crisis of not being human or Klaxosaur or being deprived of human social interactions. It's being with her "darling".

so let me get this straight you posted some gifs of a character being playful and having fun so I guess most characters are waifu bait and did you watch episode 13 no shit she wants to be with her darling it’s perfectly explained in the anime. Your argument basically is, a character being in love, and doing cute shit makes them waifu bait what ridiculous nonsense.

The point of the gifs is to illustrate the worth of the character. Stop arguing semantics. This is the character's worth. Not her existential dilemma and subsequent resolution of this. Moe and erotica. Being lovey-dovey with her husbando just as with Asuna throughout SAO. Essentially what is depicted in those pictures is Zero Two's worth. That's why the artist for the manga is Kentaro Yabuki, famous for his unashamed sexual drawings in To Love Ru. And for what it's worth, I didn't even search for those pictures specifically all I did was type her name in and those pictures were at the top of the chart. She's the biggest waifu bait of recent memory.

Waifu bait characters don’t have built-in flaws they are perfect for maximum desirability this is about the viewer nothing to do with the MC

Let’s use your argument Zero Two is a killer that isn’t going anywhere it’s still dangerous to ride with her those aren’t resolvable so by your own rules Zero Two still isn’t a Waifu Bait

I don’t know how much clearer the creators could’ve been to show this isn’t some dream Waifu girl and there are consequences to be with her maybe they need to write it out on the horns growing outta Hiro’s head for you?

The refusal for Zero Two fans to use any level of critical thinking continues to astound me.

Have you learned nothing as an anime fan? Waifu bait characters are NOT flawless. They're perfect in the ways that matter for a waifu (appearances, moe, sex appeal, etc) but retain one or more flaws that defines their entire character arc. A flaw that is simple enough that the self-insert dark-haired MC will resolve for simply by being the MC. Whether it's being foreign or sheltered and thus being too unfamiliar with the world so the MC can resolve this by taking her on superficial dates around Japan, being an attempted rape/sexual assault victim, having attempts at her life, having a troubled childhood, have repressed emotions, being incapable of defending herself, etc. All things simple enough the MC can resolve for the character and therefore fill a role in the characters' lives that only he can fill, while also retaining her dominant traits of sex appeal and moe. The character herself doesn't really do anything to overcome her problems, nor does she really grow. Her husbando will do or say something to make her feel better. Her actual development is restricted to romantic love for her husbando who earns her love by resolving all her problems for her. And this is true for all waifu-bait characters, though more apparent when the show lacks creativity. This is even represented, albeit shallowly, in Futoshi's relationship with Kokoro in which she was pretty, dainty and nice but he needed to be macho enough to "protect" her.

It's dangerous to ride with Zero Two unless you're the MC. Hence self-insert MC that can resolve the waifu-bait character's issues to fill a role only he can fill simply by being the MC. These are all reflected in characters such as Saeko Busujima, Hitagi Senjougahara, Ruri Gokou, Kirino Kousaka, Rias Gremory, Asuna, Emilia, Rem, and most recently and prominently Zero Two who has risen above and beyond the aforementioned. Contrary to believe, waifus are not the perfect ones, the self-insert MCs are.

Jin_uzuki said:
lmao, people genuinely are arguing 02 isn't waifu bait. Franxx is a magical girlfriend anime to a T.

Thankfully there are a few on this board with some level of critical thinking. How dareth me refer to their waifu as waifu-bait.

MoonStar9May 23, 2018 11:35 AM

May 23, 2018 12:55 PM

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MoonStar9 said:
18 episodes of nothing but teen angst and drama. No questions about the world or its inhabitants have been answered despite characters literally going from being acquaintances to being married and possibly with child. In a futuristic world of Kaijus and teen soldiers piloting mechs powered by sexual compatibility, the viewers are instead limited to watching episodes of teen romance and drama with no exploration of the world beyond that. This anime is true to its fanbase - Zero substance, zero plot, just seasonal waifu shit recolored in the form of Zero Two. Apart from Mitsuru, Kokoro, and Zero Two who is probably the most waifu-pandering character of 2018 so far, no other character has received any development 18 episodes into the series. And even then their development is limited to teenage romance because that's the bread and butter of this anime - not a compelling story with interesting themes, Zero Two waifu who will sell our merchandise. The MC is so generic that he can literally be replaced with any other seasonal romcom MC and nothing would change as his role is simply to serve as a self-insert for waifu-pandering Zero Two. And every other character stagnates. Mitsuru and Kokoro are developing, wipe their memories and stagnate the cast further. Goro likes Ichigo who like Hiro who is intimate with Zero Two? Don't show them together, stagnate the characters. Gay Ikuno is displaced in this world that relies on binary sexual compatibility, stagnate the character by limiting her to 1 minute of angst per episode.

The only thing that feeds me is the dank memes and schooling the real-life Futoshis who think Kokoro is a whore for breaking a childish one-sided promise.

This is a detailed description of my problems with this show. Props.The world has a ton of potential for building but ends up wasting too much time on the kids

That being said, its high production values turn the show into something that's somewhat watchable

May 24, 2018 1:08 AM

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Franxx have plot and progression. Its just they focus on other characters.

May 24, 2018 4:31 AM

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Reshiram_IX said:
If we had learned everything there was about APE, Papa, & the Klaxosaurs by episode 8 how would the story have turned out? What exactly did you want from the series that wasn’t present/handled well?

I didn't said you should know everything, but at some point show has to bring some answers to the table instead of more questions that pile up to the point you are sure that reveals won't live up to the "hype".

For example you meet this wacky professor in episode 1 yet you don't know anything about him aside that he is performing some kind of experiment and he made all robots. Now in episode 18 your knowledge about him is about the same. Why? He is obviously in the centre of whole situation, he is the root of the franxx system and probably one who made Parasites, hybrids and some parts of that wicked, totalitarian system, why? Nope, screw it lets watch more slice of life because emotional kids is what you should care about.

If story had equal parts of everything it would be decent, but oppression and military power aren't here to inject pressure into the story but as easy way to make our cast suffer. That's all. It isn't important part, but background that we should not focus on till writers say, "ok now you obviosuly care about them enough, so we can move on".

And yes it is a problem if you present story in completely different world than ours while making your characters pretty much the same as regular, bland kids with abusive parents, expecting us to like them because they have shitty life.

Story is heavily over focused on parts that don't require any explanation because they present regular human emotions and behaviors we know everything about and sprinkle interesting bits here and there just to barely keep me interested. And yes, of course I would rather to have it other way around. So if anyone asked me if plot here is bad, I would say yes, it's repetitive, uninnovative and slow.

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