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Jan 28, 2018 2:56 PM
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I almost never watch anime for the characters. Because I always find them to have:

Boring personalities: Chise from Ancient Magus Bride. All she does is mope. Elise is also just another generic stoic character.

Boring development: I don't care for character progression, if the progression itself is generic and boring, the best example I can think of being Chise from Ancient Magnus's Bride.
I even made a blog post about how character development is overrated.

Obnoxious/quirky/monotonous personalities: obnoxious (mainly due to the voice actors constantly yelling, looking at you, Asta), too quirky (like Bakemonogatari, or just sticking to a basic archetype like in harems), or being too monotonous (the MC of Classroom of the Elite, or any moping emo).

Stupid: I find that a majority of, "weak" anime characters (Yuki from Future Diary, Subaru from Re: Zero), wouldn't be so incompetent if they simply used their fucking minds.

Show limited variety of emotions: like Ghibli characters. They don't show a diverse set of emotions. The main characters are realistic enough, but too, "pure". They don't get angry, frustrated, depressed, jealous.

I feel like anime handles characters best when it simply tries to make them stand out and be entertaining.

For as absurd as Jojo and Baccano are, a majority of the characters in those series are down-to-earth enough, memorable, cool, charismatic, and fun, simply because of their personalities. The characters whose personalities are exaggerated like Dio and Lad Russo, manage to not be TOO exaggerated, and still be charismatic and entertaining.

Hell, from what I've seen of them, I find American cartoons to handle characters better. Currently, I'm watching the Boondocks, and it has the most memorable and entertaining cast of animated characters I've seen probably in years. They're down-to-Earth enough, memorable, distinct, entertaining as fuck.
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There was a time when anime focused on the characters. Good ol times.

I mean, yeah, Cartoons are pretty good at handling them, I just don't like cartoons anymore.



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There was a time when anime focused on the characters. Good ol times.

I mean, yeah, Cartoons are pretty good at handling them, I just don't like cartoons anymore.


I am very interested. How did older anime handle characters differently then now?

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Pretty terribly.

A lot of anime seems to be derived from a concept. As in, there's an idea for a basic premise, the setting and general aesthetic of what the world looks like, a few specific scenes/plot points maybe, character designs. And that's it.

Think shows about a school club. It's not really a story, it's just a premise. A "tennis anime". What's it about? What message is the author trying to convey? What voice does it have? What is its purpose as a work of fiction? Well, nothing really. It exists just so anime character designs can be animated playing tennis. A "swimming anime". A "cute girls are anthropomorphic military equipment" anime. A "medieval harem" anime. All just vehicles for the purpose of creating the visual imagery of whatever the premise and basic setting is.

The rest (characters, themes, plot) is just color-by-number filled in with as little effort and thought possible so that the initial inspirational concept can come to life.
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A lot of older anime has charismatic/memorable characters that had interesting personalities, some were charismatic and had amazing development (Joe Yabuki), some were down-to-earth kids living their childhood with caress then there are character romances/drama that were affectionate.



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A lot of older anime has charismatic/memorable characters that had interesting personalities, some were charismatic and had amazing development (Joe Yabuki), some were down-to-earth kids living their childhood with caress then there are character romances/drama that were affectionate.


Could you name more examples of anime that do these? But anime that aren't mainstream classics like Cowboy Bepop.

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I have a vague idea of what you're trying to say, but I feel like you went on a bit of an off-topic tangent about anime in general, and not anime characters specifically.
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https://myanimelist.net/anime/2402/Ashita_no_Joe?q=ashita%20no%20joe

https://myanimelist.net/anime/1453/Maison_Ikkoku?q=maison

https://myanimelist.net/anime/283/Akage_no_Anne?q=akage



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@Red_Keys

I have a vague idea of what you're trying to say, but I feel like you went on a bit of an off-topic tangent about anime in general, and not anime characters specifically.
Anime does not exist without characters.

My point is (often) characters are awful because they're just an afterthought. They don't actually matter to the author and exist for the sole purpose of animating a setting/premise.
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NihilisticLoner said:
I almost never watch anime for the characters. Because I always find them to have:

Boring personalities: Chise from Ancient Magus Bride. All she does is mope. Elise is also just another generic stoic character.

Boring development: I don't care for character progression, if the progression itself is generic and boring, the best example I can think of being Chise from Ancient Magnus's Bride.

Obnoxious/quirky/monotonous personalities: obnoxious (mainly due to the voice actors constantly yelling, looking at you, Asta), too quirky (like Bakemonogatari, or just sticking to a basic archetype like in harems), or being too monotonous (the MC of Classroom of the Elite, or any moping emo).

Stupid: I find that a majority of, "weak" anime characters (Yuki from Future Diary, Subaru from Re: Zero), wouldn't be so incompetent if they simply used their fucking minds.

Show limited variety of emotions: like Ghibli characters. They don't show a diverse set of emotions. The main characters are realistic enough, but too, "pure". They don't get angry, frustrated, depressed, jealous.

I feel like anime handles characters best when it simply tries to make them stand out and be entertaining.

For as absurd as Jojo and Baccano are, a majority of the characters in those series are down-to-earth enough, memorable, cool, charismatic, and fun, simply because of their personalities. The characters whose personalities are exaggerated like Dio and Lad Russo, manage to not be TOO exaggerated, and still be charismatic and entertaining.

Hell, from what I've seen of them, I find American cartoons to handle characters better. Currently, I'm watching the Boondocks, and it has the most memorable and entertaining cast of animated characters I've seen probably in years. They're down-to-Earth enough, memorable, distinct, entertaining as fuck.




You are making some pretty massive generalizations as Americans cartoons have their own tropes which can be old, obnoxious and tiring:

Like say the arrogant youth character
SW Rebels (Ezra)
LOK (Korra)
SW CW (Ashoka)

Or the Goofball who gets into trouble
ATLA (Sokka)
Gravity Falls (Mabel)

For comedy shows the dumb dad:
Family Guy (Peter)
South Park (Randy Marsh)
Simpsons (Homer)

Also some of your criticisms like stupid or "weak" characters can apply to many mains in many big American cartoons like Korra or Ezra who are rewarded even though many of their decisions are poor and their characterization at times is extremely bland or weak. Also anime is just massively overproduced every season. Could you even name 300 original animated series that have come out in the states in the past 5 years? This leads to a feeling that its overdone when its probably just due to over consumption.

You like Western animation good for you. Ironically the reasons I think I became more infatuated with anime of late is that I had a falling out with Hollywood and many Western animated shows. I got more into Western animation and shows a few years ago and then many series or IP's I liked such as ATLA, SW have in my opinion been written insanely poorly.

Films like A Silent Voice and the manga personally for me I have felt have inspired feelings that I rarely get out of Western films produced nowadays with a few exceptions (Dunkirk and Blade Runner for just this year) and honestly I don't think there is anything in animation department this year specifically that would live up to that either.

I think its great you have found a love there again personally I haven't though I wished I could.
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@Red_Keys

Okay, that makes sense.

@-Lofn-

Goddammit, you made my plan to watch list bigger than it already is.

@North514

That's exactly why I said, "from what I've seen". Yet, I think I like those tropes you listed more than the usual ones I see in anime, like the "moping MC" like in Ancient Magus's Bride, or the, "stoic" character like in Classroom of the Elite.

@TheDeadApostle

That's exactly why I love those characters.
I shouldn't have said, "down to Earth". Maybe more like, the characters in the Boondocks' trains-of-thoughts are absurd (especially with how ridiculously smart Huey and Riley are), but they don't really rub it in your face, like a harem anime or Occultic; Nine, and their baseline personalities themselves feel natural but also entertaining enough.
I'm still in season 1...how the f*ck did Riley run an operation against the mafia?!
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Boondocks? Down to earth? I feel like we've watched two very different series.

We have a black man who claims to actually be white and to suffer from the opposite of Michael Jackson's disease. He's also extremely racist towards black people.

A group of old people who are practically sadistic ninjas.

An old man who never learns from his mistakes and constantly finds new ways to mess his life up.

A twelve year old black rights activist/conspiracy theorist that Obama once followed on twitter. Also having the reputation of being a domestic theorist. Also being a martial artist.

A ten year old (or however the fuck old he is) that idolizes gangsters and managed to run a coordinated operation against the mafia.

My point is that basically while you could say that the Boondocks characters can possibly appear in real life, you can't really call them down to earth.

But yes the Boondocks is better than most anime.

Anyways, that aside, I'd say you're right in that most anime use generic archetypes for characterization (and maybe add a little extra for differentiation's sake). But well that's part of the charm I guess. I mean where else am I going to have embarrassed females go "kyaaa" in numerous instances. And some of the character tropes aren't that bad actually.
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Most of these traits are since these reflect traits of regular Japanese boys and girls irl, which authors tend to do to make viewers connect more to the characters (that doesn't mean 100% that you'll connect). That's usually the case for most harem mc's. Your average teenage boy would probably not react like a Kazumi Yuuji but more like those dense harem mc's.

For boring development, part of that can be due to the lack of episodes in the show, for enough time to develop the character fully. It's why generally more 2 cour shows have more signs of CD than 1 cour shows

For stupid/not using their minds, that depends on the nature of the character and the situation they're in. If someone where to unexpectedly break into your house and charge at you with a knife, (most likely) your first reaction wouldn't be to analyze the situation and find the best possible route that would yield the most results, but rather your instincts would kick in and you would deal with the problem in front of you

On a side note, the likeability of characters comes down to opinions really. You can argue that the characters in Baccano are also quirky
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anime characters - forgettable

not that I hate them, but I don't identify them through their names or characteristics, their design alone is enough for me to identify them(but there are times that I will remember some names especially those popular anime), I'm more interested on just watching them, that's probably one of the reason why I can't easily name characters.
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Characters in most anime are boring, but some are entertaining, like anywhere else
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In general, anime creates characters that are uninteresting and don't stand out in any way, so I end up not being invested in them. It can stem from lacking an interesting backstory/motivation, not doing ANYTHING outside of expectation or being written as an archetype before an actual character.

There's been a recent surge of characters that are dark for the sake of it, or as others would put it edgy. It annoys me when they don't have motivations for it or there are too many of characters like that in one anime. It's painful when the character revolves around that ONE dark backstory/motivation or the entire story is built upon all characters being screwed up, they drill in the same point over and over because these characters dot have any other traits. This is worse especially when there isn't a single sane character in the cast, so it's impossible to anchor yourself anywhere in the series

Frankly the first one is rightfully called out and criticised, but the second tends to be just eaten up by people who watch anime.
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Akage no Anne isn't the best example of that due to where the source material comes from. I also would just say watch the live action 80's version or read the book by LM Montgomery.
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@Red_Keys

Okay, that makes sense.

@-Lofn-

Goddammit, you made my plan to watch list bigger than it already is.

@North514

That's exactly why I said, "from what I've seen". Yet, I think I like those tropes you listed more than the usual ones I see in anime, like the "moping MC" like in Ancient Magus's Bride, or the, "stoic" character like in Classroom of the Elite.

@TheDeadApostle

That's exactly why I love those characters.
I shouldn't have said, "down to Earth". Maybe more like, the characters in the Boondocks' trains-of-thoughts are absurd (especially with how ridiculously smart Huey and Riley are), but they don't really rub it in your face, like a harem anime or Occultic; Nine, and their baseline personalities themselves feel natural but also entertaining enough.
I'm still in season 1...how the f*ck did Riley run an operation against the mafia?!


Eh I think that's just personal preference then as there are some of those tropes that I dislike heavily. I will take 1000 stoic or uninteresting MC's over another Ezra every time.
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I find that most of them although not nuanced fits the narrative of their own stories quite well and I find that's enough of a thing to really make a good character. Characters are an element of a story and shouldn't really necessarily be judged in a vacuum. A character is only as good if they fit into what the story is trying to tell. A simple story about good and evil like let's say Inuyashiki doesn't need complex af characters but I would argue that both Inuyashiki and Shishigami are good characters because they fit what Inuyashiki's story is about to a tee.
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looking at your profile, i can see that you like psuedophilosophy (nisioisin, oregairu, and that pompous ass about me section) , we have a lot of psuedophilosophers in anime. to name one you haven't watched, try hyouka.
i honestly don't get what you have a problem with, just avoid shounens and everywhere you look is depressed kids spouting existential lines. when you run out of cashgrab #relatable anime to watch, go read LNs. hakomari is the highest rated ln on this site, and it is the densest pill of edgelosophy you can ever get. read that and you'll start finding your way around the edgiverse
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In general, anime creates characters that are uninteresting and don't stand out in any way, so I end up not being invested in them. It can stem from lacking an interesting backstory/motivation, not doing ANYTHING outside of expectation or being written as an archetype before an actual character.

There's been a recent surge of characters that are dark for the sake of it, or as others would put it edgy. It annoys me when they don't have motivations for it or there are too many of characters like that in one anime. It's painful when the character revolves around that ONE dark backstory/motivation or the entire story is built upon all characters being screwed up, they drill in the same point over and over because these characters dot have any other traits. This is worse especially when there isn't a single sane character in the cast, so it's impossible to anchor yourself anywhere in the series

Frankly the first one is rightfully called out and criticised, but the second tends to be just eaten up by people who watch anime.


Perfectly summed up my thoughts. A character can be interesting to me simply by their motivation and ideology no matter how basic it is, like Tenma from Monster believing all lives being equal, but getting f*cked over for it, and so goes out to fix his mistake.

@Short_Circut

I'm a little confused. Which character traits are common among Japanese teens (literally everything I listed)? I don't think anybody in real life is dense, or very monotonous
From taking Japanese for 3 years and researching its culture, I'm guessing that actual Japanese people are much more humble, subtle, polite, as opposed to how many anime characters yell, and are blatant with their feelings.

Yes, the cast in Baccano are quirky. But I think I liked them because they weren't all TOO quirky, and maybe because they didn't all have too much screentime (since the stories split into 3). Isaac and Miriel would probably be hated if they had anymore screentime then they did.

@crvattn

I just researched. Pseudo-philosophy means philosophy that criticizes?
I don't consider my tastes in characters to be philosophical. Yes, I loved Oregairu and especially Hachiman, but the philosophies in that anime were completely natural stuff you discover in real life as you grow up. I hate Niseoin's up-its-ass writing styles because of how spoonfed and out-there it is, while trying to present itself as being, "deep".
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@NihilisticLoner

I see your point. It's a lot better than many anime in that regard.

It wasn't exactly the mafia but some other organized crime organization I think, and he didn't even know he was doing it. But I won't spoil you.
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In general, anime creates characters that are uninteresting and don't stand out in any way, so I end up not being invested in them. It can stem from lacking an interesting backstory/motivation, not doing ANYTHING outside of expectation or being written as an archetype before an actual character.

There's been a recent surge of characters that are dark for the sake of it, or as others would put it edgy. It annoys me when they don't have motivations for it or there are too many of characters like that in one anime. It's painful when the character revolves around that ONE dark backstory/motivation or the entire story is built upon all characters being screwed up, they drill in the same point over and over because these characters dot have any other traits. This is worse especially when there isn't a single sane character in the cast, so it's impossible to anchor yourself anywhere in the series

Frankly the first one is rightfully called out and criticised, but the second tends to be just eaten up by people who watch anime.


Perfectly summed up my thoughts. A character can be interesting to me simply by their motivation and ideology no matter how basic it is, like Tenma from Monster believing all lives being equal, but getting f*cked over for it, and so goes out to fix his mistake.

@Short_Circut

I'm a little confused. Which character traits are common among Japanese teens (literally everything I listed)? I don't think anybody in real life is dense, or very monotonous
From taking Japanese for 3 years and researching its culture, I'm guessing that actual Japanese people are much more humble, subtle, polite, as opposed to how many anime characters yell, and are blatant with their feelings.

Yes, the cast in Baccano are quirky. But I think I liked them because they weren't all TOO quirky, and maybe because they didn't all have too much screentime (since the stories split into 3). Isaac and Miriel would probably be hated if they had anymore screentime then they did.


Eh I wouldn't have minded a whole series about them honestly.
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NihilisticLoner said:
BurningSpirit said:
In general, anime creates characters that are uninteresting and don't stand out in any way, so I end up not being invested in them. It can stem from lacking an interesting backstory/motivation, not doing ANYTHING outside of expectation or being written as an archetype before an actual character.

There's been a recent surge of characters that are dark for the sake of it, or as others would put it edgy. It annoys me when they don't have motivations for it or there are too many of characters like that in one anime. It's painful when the character revolves around that ONE dark backstory/motivation or the entire story is built upon all characters being screwed up, they drill in the same point over and over because these characters dot have any other traits. This is worse especially when there isn't a single sane character in the cast, so it's impossible to anchor yourself anywhere in the series

Frankly the first one is rightfully called out and criticised, but the second tends to be just eaten up by people who watch anime.


Perfectly summed up my thoughts. A character can be interesting to me simply by their motivation and ideology no matter how basic it is, like Tenma from Monster believing all lives being equal, but getting f*cked over for it, and so goes out to fix his mistake.

@Short_Circut

I'm a little confused. Which character traits are common among Japanese teens (literally everything I listed)? I don't think anybody in real life is dense, or very monotonous
From taking Japanese for 3 years and researching its culture, I'm guessing that actual Japanese people are much more humble, subtle, polite, as opposed to how many anime characters yell, and are blatant with their feelings.

Yes, the cast in Baccano are quirky. But I think I liked them because they weren't all TOO quirky, and maybe because they didn't all have too much screentime (since the stories split into 3). Isaac and Miriel would probably be hated if they had anymore screentime then they did.


The common character traits were ones involving romance and harem like situations like getting flustered over the smallest sight of seeing panties or refusing to choose 1 girl so that you don't make anyone upset, that kinda thing. But yeah, I'm not too familiar with Japanese culture/society so I could be wrong about this, I'm just going off of what I've seen on other sources

The density thing can be debatable. A lot of people don't realize until afterward how dense they were during a situation, especially when dealing with the opposite sex
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Anime, in itself as a medium, is exaggerated. So, it's not unthinkable that the characters would follow suit in their personalities and actions, of course some more than others.

These concepts can be seen utilized in all forms of media, live-action, cartoon, or anime. Well developed, dynamic, and rounded characters take an art, forethought, and time to create.

Some media don't have the time or the priority to develop characters, but they still want to connect with the audience. So, a common solution is tropes and stereotypes to quickly convey to the audience who these characters are and sometimes comedic effect.

You will always have the "jock", "popular kids", "nerd", "goth", "jokester", "suave" and many others.

That said, anime has some great characters if you look in the right places.

TL;DR good characters are a large investment, not all anime prioritize that investment. Tropes and shallow concepts are prevalent in all entertainment.
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I just researched. Pseudo-philosophy means philosophy that criticizes?
I don't consider my tastes in characters to be philosophical. Yes, I loved Oregairu and especially Hachiman, but the philosophies in that anime were completely natural stuff you discover in real life as you grow up. I hate Niseoin's up-its-ass writing styles because of how spoonfed and out-there it is, while trying to present itself as being, "deep".

psuedo philosophy means shallow philosophy. 8man says some pretty random stuff like how he hates nice girls (shit fit to be in /r/incel) and then goes on to help everyone, completely disregarding himself.
he's a kid, which explains his childish and shallow outlook on people, generalizing people based on a single attribute all the time. what i find psuedophilosophic about that anime is how someone who has such shallow outlook on the world suddenly turns into a responsible grown up and does some stuff that require maturity, and then goes right back to being a retarded kid. it's like the philosopher in him is another person than the brain that moves him. he's inconsistent and mind bendingly unrelatable, making you consider if the author's even human or not.
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There are a lot of Anime with great characters. Evangelion, Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, Cowboy Bebop, Berserk, Death Note, Steins Gate, Code Geass, Darker Than Black, My Hero Academia, Black Lagoon, Madoka, Nana, Your Lie in April, Attack On Titan, ToraDora, Fate Zero, GunSlinger Girl, Tokyo Ghoul, Re Zero, Orange, Monster, Paradise Kiss, Noir, KoKoro Connet, Rurouni Kenshin and even Sword Art Online did a great job with Sinon in the gun gale online arc and a good job with Asuna, and Suguha just name a few.

Some of my favorite characters in fiction are from Anime (LeLouch, Edward Elric, Light, Kirisu).

I am a picky Anime watcher though and do my research before I watch. I can't stand anything with weak characters. Usually the Anime shows that have weak characters tend to be the more mainstream ones.

Honestly Anime beats Hollywood in regard to character. Most Hollywood films are too quickly paced to go into characters and emotions. The biggest films this year weren't even made by Americans. Three Billboards why by a Irishman, The Shape Of Water was a Mexican and Dunkirk was a British man. All three of those movies and multiple characters that are extremely well written. And two of those directors not only watch Anime, but have made films that were heavily influenced by Anime. Coincidence? I think not.

Lady Bird had a great lead character and the mom had real depth too. That's the rare character driven Hollywood film. That like almost never happens. Baby Driver had a solid protagonist too.

But even something like Get Out, which was amazing, did not have great characters. It was a great deconstruction and made you think. But, the characters outside of Allison Williams and the lead weren't that memorable.
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anime characters - forgettable

not that I hate them, but I don't identify them through their names or characteristics, their design alone is enough for me to identify them(but there are times that I will remember some names especially those popular anime), I'm more interested on just watching them, that's probably one of the reason why I can't easily name characters.


Real Life people personality -> even more forgettable.
If you remember something about them, it'd usually be their bad personality traits.
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Real Life people personality -> even more forgettable.
If you remember something about them, it'd usually be their bad personality traits.

Yep, you're quite right about that, I don't remember names that much, mostly it depends on how they stand out in the place I go to, and it's truly awkward when I go to the place which people knows me, I use calling words or gestures to talk to people, I don't usually call them by their name.
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The norm is not too great, for sure. And the reasons do follow the ones that you listed.
However, you don't have to criticise something based on the norm, but rather by the standouts. It's for the same reasons why people may call older anime better or have stronger characters, when we only remember the better series (the ones who passed the test of time). Yes, there are a lot of crappy characters in anime, but the few that aren't make shuffling through the bunch worth the effort.
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In general Id say the way characters are portrayed and are handled in anime is great. Energetic, full of passion and vibrant. Of course we can't ignore bland characters though which are of nothing to note at all but when I look at my favs and then those characters I deem worthless along with all the other great characters I've enjoyed from other shows Id say they're a very small minority which hardly effects the overall goodness
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A lot of those are older anime. And I absolutely disagree with a lot of your choices like Orange, Tokyo Ghoul, and Re: Zero.

@RedInfinity "you don't have to criticise something based on the norm, but rather by the standouts"
What do you mean?

@crvattn

Hachiman is basically me in high school, so I disagree there. Either way, I prefer characters like him whose world-view is 100% grounded in reality, then ones in Nisemonogatari who go on tangents about, "fakes" which has no relevance, in an attempt to be, "deep".
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Take the Olympics for example. Do you use the average sprinter to represent the 100m race? Of course you don't, you only use the best of the best. It doesn't make sense to call the average anime character the example, of course it won't be anything extraordinary. We must celebrate what the medium has done right, it's a more positive outlook.

Similarly, in an interview, they don't want what you do in your daily life, they want to know your achievements. There is no medium where the average character is any different from what we get in anime. Average is defined by cliches and troupes.

At least that's how I like to see it.
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The only anime that made me like for its characters is Gintama. Imo, it has the best and most endearing diverse of characters with different personalities I've seen (in anime). They're fun and unique.It's character-driven that's why.
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they are idealized, not that different from any medium, but since anime is targetted to niche audience, they has really certain idealized version... stop complicated things...
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NihilisticLoner said:
@StarSwoardsman

A lot of those are older anime. And I absolutely disagree with a lot of your choices like Orange, Tokyo Ghoul, and Re: Zero.

My Hero only came out in 2016, Attack On Titan in 2013, SAO in 2012 or 2013, same with Kokoro Connect, Your Lie In April in 2014, and few others are recent too.

Why do you disagree with those three in particular? The first two are rather complex leads and the third has a protagonist that is actually realistic.

To be fair, I don't watch a lot new anime. Though, March Comes In Like A Lion looks good so far.
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NihilisticLoner said:
@StarSwoardsman

A lot of those are older anime. And I absolutely disagree with a lot of your choices like Orange, Tokyo Ghoul, and Re: Zero.

My Hero only came out in 2016, Attack On Titan in 2013, SAO in 2012 or 2013, same with Kokoro Connect, Your Lie In April in 2014, and few others are recent too.

Why do you disagree with those three in particular? The first two are rather complex leads and the third has a protagonist that is actually realistic.

To be fair, I don't watch a lot new anime. Though, March Comes In Like A Lion looks good so far.


I don't care about the characters that much in My Hero, because their personalities and developments are, "eh, seen that all before". They're entertaining, but no way will any of them end up as one of my favorites.

Attack on Titan barely has any character development, unless you count constantly screaming as development.

Kokoro and Lie I'm not interested in watching.

What about 2017? More anime in 2016? 2015? Then just the mainstream stand-outs.
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StarSwoardsman said:

My Hero only came out in 2016, Attack On Titan in 2013, SAO in 2012 or 2013, same with Kokoro Connect, Your Lie In April in 2014, and few others are recent too.

Why do you disagree with those three in particular? The first two are rather complex leads and the third has a protagonist that is actually realistic.

To be fair, I don't watch a lot new anime. Though, March Comes In Like A Lion looks good so far.


I don't care about the characters that much in My Hero, because their personalities and developments are, "eh, seen that all before". They're entertaining, but no way will any of them end up as one of my favorites.

Attack on Titan barely has any character development, unless you count constantly screaming as development.

Kokoro and Lie I'm not interested in watching.

What about 2017? More anime in 2016? 2015? Then just the mainstream stand-outs.


My Hero actually has relatable character with good backstories, particularly Shoto. It's a lot better than it has to be.

Have you read the Attack On Titan Manga? There is a ton of great character development, it's just slow. But that's what makes it great. People don't just change on a dime.

I was the same way with Kokoro Connect and Your Lie In April. But, once I did watch them, I was glad. Both are rich, character driven dramas and show that Anime can make something great that has no fights and isnt steeped in fantasy. I wish that there were more shows like those.

I did watch ths second season of AOT, the third season of Berserk and the second of My Hero. As for 2016 Anime there was Mushisi, Orange, Re Zero and a few others. Nothing sticks out to me from 2015. I've been going back a
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I agree with @Red_Keys. Take something like Steins;Gate. Did it have a dumb childhood friend, a tsundere, a trap priestess and a catgirl maid because the writers had some interesting and touching stories for these characters and cared about immersing the reader/watcher in a believable and interesting world?

I think the answer is more than obvious.

@StarSwoardsman because you mentionned S;G (^:
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What is this shit ? who deleted my post without PM me ? What mod is bullying me again ?
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What is this shit ? who deleted my post without PM me ?

Lots of posts seem to vanish without any message from the mods these days. I keep seeing people answering non-existent posts.

Maybe someone is having fun with the delete button?
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Swagernator said:
What is this shit ? who deleted my post without PM me ?

Lots of posts seem to vanish without any message from the mods these days. I keep seeing people answering non-existent posts.

Maybe someone is having fun with the delete button?

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Clebardman said:
I agree with @Red_Keys. Take something like Steins;Gate. Did it have a dumb childhood friend, a tsundere, a trap priestess and a catgirl maid because the writers had some interesting and touching stories for these characters and cared about immersing the reader/watcher in a believable and interesting world?

I think the answer is more than obviousl.


The answer is yes ofc going by me and it's very high ratings on both the anime and visual novels.

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yes well that is the result of the human race as a whole becoming lazier
yes everyone is now lazier

so you want a character, oooh lets pick one from this list of traits (am going with the overeater on this one)

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@JokerJoestar That's if you assume viewers want to be immersed in a believable and interesting world, and not watch some self-insert harem with a shiny coating of memes, conspiracy theories and intolerance.

edit: and Dr Pepper. How could I forget the shameless, tasteless advertising campaign? (^:
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doesn't like MC
Thinks of reason why others would like the MC
Comes to the conclusion that MC must be self-insert

Classic day in AD am I right @Clebardman ?
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anime with bad characters = bad anime

except Shinsekai Yori, it didn't need characters to be brilliant

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anime with bad characters = bad anime

The same can be said other way around.
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I almost never watch anime for the characters. Because I always find them to have:

Boring personalities: Chise from Ancient Magus Bride. All she does is mope. Elise is also just another generic stoic character.

Boring development: I don't care for character progression, if the progression itself is generic and boring, the best example I can think of being Chise from Ancient Magnus's Bride.
I even made a blog post about how character development is overrated.

Obnoxious/quirky/monotonous personalities: obnoxious (mainly due to the voice actors constantly yelling, looking at you, Asta), too quirky (like Bakemonogatari, or just sticking to a basic archetype like in harems), or being too monotonous (the MC of Classroom of the Elite, or any moping emo).

Stupid: I find that a majority of, "weak" anime characters (Yuki from Future Diary, Subaru from Re: Zero), wouldn't be so incompetent if they simply used their fucking minds.

Show limited variety of emotions: like Ghibli characters. They don't show a diverse set of emotions. The main characters are realistic enough, but too, "pure". They don't get angry, frustrated, depressed, jealous.

I feel like anime handles characters best when it simply tries to make them stand out and be entertaining.

For as absurd as Jojo and Baccano are, a majority of the characters in those series are down-to-earth enough, memorable, cool, charismatic, and fun, simply because of their personalities. The characters whose personalities are exaggerated like Dio and Lad Russo, manage to not be TOO exaggerated, and still be charismatic and entertaining.

Hell, from what I've seen of them, I find American cartoons to handle characters better. Currently, I'm watching the Boondocks, and it has the most memorable and entertaining cast of animated characters I've seen probably in years. They're down-to-Earth enough, memorable, distinct, entertaining as fuck.


I am pretty much about to drop Ancient Magus's bride because it has no real plot. I like episodic series a lot, but this one isn't even episodic. It feels more like a stretched out prologue than a real series.

Both anime and western cartoons handle characters better, but I gotta agree that I find cartoons characters more realistic than anime characters, even though I have found anime series that have pretty memorable characters, such as HunterxHunter, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, the eternal Gintama and Food Wars. I think it depends on the nature of the story and the genre. Usually, a fantasy anime should have more unique characters than a slice-of-life, even though it is not always true.

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@JokerJoestar That's if you assume viewers want to be immersed in a believable and interesting world, and not watch some self-insert harem with a shiny coating of memes, conspiracy theories and intolerance.
(^:


Self insert harem, uh huh.

TheAnimeSnob school of trolling is still in fashion I see.

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@Deknijff ??? Did I mention the MC? Because I don't think I did. I'm just saying the cast has been dictated by the intended audience and genre of the show. When Sailor Moon or some 80's horror OVA has a priestess in the cast, it's to cast spells and do shit. When Steins;Gate has one, it's because it ticks a box in the harem trope list. Bonus point if she's a trap, that's a second box and allows borderline homophobic jokes during 24 eps.

@JokerJoestar smartass one-liners and bringing up Youtubers and trolling? Sorry I triggered you by not liking your fav anime, I can see you have strong arguments to explain why you loved it and defend its design and storytelling choices (^:
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