| with the current netflix rukcuss thread, i realized lot of people think outsider somewhat give japanese animation really big revenue that even more than japan it self... it's incorrect... it does increased, but the rest of the world is only give 30% form overall animation industries money... another thing to be noted that biggest increase is from chinese streaming service... i don't think the rest of the world will take over japan animation industry (except china) at very least in the near future... i can see china become more important figure tho, but mainly as funder since they are demanding japanese animation... |
KumaAug 2, 2017 9:44 PM
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| People wanna feel special and relevant, this is just another way for them to feel important I- I- It's not like I wanna watch legally for you or anything baka! |
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| Most people in MAL are pirates in the first place. Your review, your opinion,your critique how you rate anime, non of them are relevant to Japan anime industry and weigh zero value. I doubt the anime industry even aware about the existence of this website. Too many people in MAL have this delusion and think Japan anime industry are obliged to please them when they are just a mere pirate. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Maneki-Mew said: Really? But especially the USA is a big country and I don't know if others like China and Russia etc.. are into it. Don't believe so, but I don't know. It's kind of a surprise rly. ^^" http://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-data full data here... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Saying anime fans outside Japan are not important for anime kind of promotes piracy. Like Japan doesn't care about my money so let me just pirate every anime. |
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Maneki-Mew said: Really? But especially the USA is a big country and I don't know if others like China and Russia etc.. are into it. Don't believe so, but I don't know. It's kind of a surprise rly. ^^" The AJA attributes the increase to growth in rights sales and commercialization of video distribution in China. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1421080 Despite revenue increases in North America and Asia countries,the remarkable increase in Chinese market constitutes more than half of the increase. http://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-data |
ZapredonAug 2, 2017 11:40 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Well I just feel sad for people who want to watch it legally. |
DrGeroCreation said: Saying anime fans outside Japan are not important for anime kind of promotes piracy. Like Japan doesn't care about my money so let me just pirate every anime. i never said not important at all, but nowhere to overcome japanese money... read my OP again... EnZanity said: People wanna feel special and relevant, this is just another way for them to feel important I- I- It's not like I wanna watch legally for you or anything baka! sasalx said: Well I just feel sad for people who want to watch it legally. it's always good to support industries no matter how small it is... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Zapredon said: Why then did a Japanese company like DeNA buy Mal and promoted it's anime streaming service Daisuke to Malers?I doubt the anime industry even aware about the existence of this website. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Zapredon said: Why then did a Japanese company like DeNA buy Mal and promoted it's anime streaming service Daisuke to Malers?I doubt the anime industry even aware about the existence of this website. Only those who want to appeal to international audience will be aware which is like a small minority. Daisuki is going to shutdown anyway. The rest of the industry doesn't know about MAL. |
ZapredonAug 2, 2017 10:06 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Kuma said: DrGeroCreation said: Saying anime fans outside Japan are not important for anime kind of promotes piracy. Like Japan doesn't care about my money so let me just pirate every anime. i never said not important at all, but nowhere to overcome japanese money... read my OP again... EnZanity said: People wanna feel special and relevant, this is just another way for them to feel important I- I- It's not like I wanna watch legally for you or anything baka! sasalx said: Well I just feel sad for people who want to watch it legally. it's always good to support industries no matter how small it is... I know, if I can get it legally I'll probably watch it legally. If not then there is always 9anime |
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Kuma said: I don't think anyone here thinks the anime industry gets most of it's money from outside Japan. It's obvious though that the Japanese do try to get consumers from outside Japan hence why they denounce anime pirating outside Japan and want to curb it.i never said not important at all, but nowhere to overcome japanese money... read my OP again... Zapredon said: Most of the anime on Daisuke wasn't for appealing to an international audience, they were like normal currently airing anime. How do you know most of them don't know about Mal?Only those who want to appeal to international audience will be aware which is like a small minority. Daisuki is going to shutdown anyway. The rest of the industry doesn't know about MAL. |
DrGeroCreationAug 2, 2017 10:10 PM
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DrGeroCreation said: Kuma said: I don't think anyone here thinks the anime industry gets most of it's money from outside Japan. It's obvious though that the Japanese do try to get consumers from outside Japan hence why they denounce anime pirating outside Japan and want to curb it.i never said not important at all, but nowhere to overcome japanese money... read my OP again... Zapredon said: Most of the anime on Daisuke wasn't for appealing to an international audience, they were like normal currently airing anime. How do you know most of them don't know about Mal?Only those who want to appeal to international audience will be aware which is like a small minority. Daisuki is going to shutdown anyway. The rest of the industry doesn't know about MAL. Can most of the Japanese speaks decent enough level of English to come across this site? Most Japanese prefer lurking in their own Japanese language site. I don't know anyone who are anime fans in Japan who have heard of Myanimelist. How many times have we heard MAL complain Japan has shit taste? No matter how MAL complain, Japan still won't pander anime towards their taste. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
DrGeroCreation said: hence why i noted netflix thread... some people legit think that US market give bigger revenue than japan it self... obviously japan it self trying to make expansion to outsider, but as you can see also in netflix thread, it become negative thing... it will kills anime they said...Kuma said: I don't think anyone here thinks the anime industry gets most of it's money from outside Japan. It's obvious though that the Japanese do try to get consumers from outside Japan hence why they denounce anime pirating outside Japan and want to curb it.i never said not important at all, but nowhere to overcome japanese money... read my OP again... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
b-b-but im a kawaii gaijin pirate so its all good |
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Zapredon said: I'm not talking about Japanese anime fans here but those in the industry. The fact that Daisuke which has contributors from Aniplex, Toei Animation, Sunrise, TMS Entertainment, etc., entertainment companies (Bandai Namco, Bushiroad Inc., Kodansha, Shueisha, etc.), and the Cool Japan Fund launched on Mal to me shows that there is some knowledge of Mal's existence in the industry.Can most of the Japanese speaks decent enough level of English to come across this site? Most Japanese prefer lurking in their own Japanese language site. I don't know anyone who are anime fans in Japan who have heard of Myanimelist. How many times have we heard MAL complain Japan has shit taste? No matter how MAL complain, Japan still won't pander anime towards their taste. Kuma said: What Netflix thread specifically? I don't think most people believe the industry gets more revenue from America than Japan. I do think though that the people who are like oh my god anime is going to be ruined by Netflix or all anime now is going to be for sjw are pretty stupid.hence why i noted netflix thread... some people legit think that US market give bigger revenue than japan it self... obviously japan it self trying to make expansion to outsider, but as you can see also in netflix thread, it become negative thing... it will kills anime they said... |
DrGeroCreationAug 2, 2017 10:23 PM
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DrGeroCreation said: Zapredon said: I'm not talking about Japanese anime fans here but those in the industry. The fact that Daisuke which has contributors from Aniplex, Toei Animation, Sunrise, TMS Entertainment, etc., entertainment companies (Bandai Namco, Bushiroad Inc., Kodansha, Shueisha, etc.), and the Cool Japan Fund launched on Mal to me shows that there is some knowledge of Mal's existence in the industry.Can most of the Japanese speaks decent enough level of English to come across this site? Most Japanese prefer lurking in their own Japanese language site. I don't know anyone who are anime fans in Japan who have heard of Myanimelist. How many times have we heard MAL complain Japan has shit taste? No matter how MAL complain, Japan still won't pander anime towards their taste. DeNA know about MAL. Not those Aniplex, Toei Animation, Sunrise, TMS Entertainment. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Zapredon said: Daisuke was founded by 6 anime studios which include those DrGeroCreation said: I'm not talking about Japanese anime fans here but those in the industry. The fact that Daisuke which has contributors from Aniplex, Toei Animation, Sunrise, TMS Entertainment, etc., entertainment companies (Bandai Namco, Bushiroad Inc., Kodansha, Shueisha, etc.), and the Cool Japan Fund launched on Mal to me shows that there is some knowledge of Mal's existence in the industry. DeNA know about MAL. Not those Aniplex, Toei Animation, Sunrise, TMS Entertainment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisuki_(website) and Asatsu-DK. Of course they would know who they are streaming their anime to. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Kuma said: What Netflix thread specifically? I don't think most people believe the industry gets more revenue from America than Japan. I do think though that the people who are like oh my god anime is going to be ruined by Netflix or all anime now is going to be for sjw are pretty stupid.hence why i noted netflix thread... some people legit think that US market give bigger revenue than japan it self... obviously japan it self trying to make expansion to outsider, but as you can see also in netflix thread, it become negative thing... it will kills anime they said... dude, it's in the front page... https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1645020 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1644878 i don't said most, but there are... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: with the current netflix rukcuss thread, i realized lot of people think outsider somewhat give japanese animation really big revenue that even more than japan it self... it's incorrect... it does increased, but the rest of the world is only give 30% form overall animation industries money... another thing to be noted that biggest increase is from chinese streaming service... i don't think the rest of the world will take over japan animation industry (except china) at very least in the near future... i can see china become more important figure tho, but mainly as funder since they are demanding japanese animation... This was commisioned by Americans: https://myanimelist.net/anime/1894/Yu☆Gi☆Oh__Hikari_no_Pyramid |
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IpreferEcchi said: Kuma said: with the current netflix rukcuss thread, i realized lot of people think outsider somewhat give japanese animation really big revenue that even more than japan it self... it's incorrect... it does increased, but the rest of the world is only give 30% form overall animation industries money... another thing to be noted that biggest increase is from chinese streaming service... i don't think the rest of the world will take over japan animation industry (except china) at very least in the near future... i can see china become more important figure tho, but mainly as funder since they are demanding japanese animation... This was commisioned by Americans: https://myanimelist.net/anime/1894/Yu☆Gi☆Oh__Hikari_no_Pyramid ahh... uhh.. what? i mean, even transformer is here... your point is? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: hh... uhh.. what? i mean, even transformer is here... your point is? Do you know what commissioned means? Americans gave Japan money and then Japan made that. That's a direct influence. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Daisuke was founded by 6 anime studios which include those https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisuki_(website) and Asatsu-DK. Of course they would know who they are streaming their anime to. I know they are founded by those.You said it's DeNA who promoted it's streaming website to MAL right? Just want to clarify. Does that mean DeNA buy over Daisuki? Because if it does, then they can just choose to stream the anime in MAL without the need of approval from those studios since they have the rights. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
IpreferEcchi said: Kuma said: hh... uhh.. what? i mean, even transformer is here... your point is? Do you know what commissioned means? Americans gave Japan money and then Japan made that. That's a direct influence. yes, outsider does influence japan... i never deny that... i even said it's not a bad thing... Wasshio said: But regarding on the revenue and given money, from what I got, it does give a certain amount but not enough to sustain the industry or help with the payments or whatever. But yeah, I guess I do kind of try to contribute with something, heck I'm considering somewhat in the future to buy some merch or something, sometime when I get enough cash to do so. I might haven't got the point of the thread or what you're saying but this is a bit of what I understood from it tho. streaming service is new big thing nowdays... i heard chinese streaming profit is enough to funding anime... so outsider influence with globalism definitely make industry even bigger... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| @Kuma You asked why outsiders think they are important to the anime industry. It's because they are. If they pay enough money, Japan will do anything for them. ;) |
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Kuma said: In that first thread most people are just saying the other countries where anime is popular and barely anyone is saying that anime is more popular in other countries than Japan.dude, it's in the front page... https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1645020 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1644878 i don't said most, but there are... In the second thread I'm not seeing people saying anime is more popular outside Japan than in Japan. There are just a few people talking about sjw and one dramatic poster who is saying it will be the death of anime . |
DrGeroCreationAug 2, 2017 10:47 PM
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IpreferEcchi said: @Kuma You asked why outsiders think they are important to the anime industry. It's because they are. If they pay enough money, Japan will do anything for them. ;) They aren't though. They aren't paying enough money at the moment to be important |
IpreferEcchi said: @Kuma You asked why outsiders think they are important to the anime industry. It's because they are. If they pay enough money, Japan will do anything for them. ;) yes, and i never deny that... however my point is descrediting japan influence it self that really delusional... like "western will take over anime" kind of thing... Lanz said: IpreferEcchi said: @Kuma You asked why outsiders think they are important to the anime industry. It's because they are. If they pay enough money, Japan will do anything for them. ;) They aren't though. They aren't paying enough money at the moment to be important exactly, thank you... DrGeroCreation said: Kuma said: In that first thread most people are just saying the other countries where anime is popular and barely anyone is saying that anime is more popular in other countries than Japan.dude, it's in the front page... https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1645020 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1644878 i don't said most, but there are... In the second thread I'm not seeing people saying anime is more popular outside Japan than in Japan. There are just a few people talking about sjw but not that the industry will be completely changed. dude, first thread OP literaly saying that he think anime isn't popular in japan... and "western kills anime" is really often we hear... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Lanz said: IpreferEcchi said: @Kuma You asked why outsiders think they are important to the anime industry. It's because they are. If they pay enough money, Japan will do anything for them. ;) They aren't though. They aren't paying enough money at the moment to be important One of the Yu-Gi-Oh! movies was commissioned by America. I already proved that they are important. |
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Zapredon said: Daisuke is run by Anime Consortium Japan, I don't think DeNA owns Anime Consortium. I made a mistake saying Daisuke is DeNA's streaming service.I know they are founded by those.You said it's DeNA who promoted it's streaming website to MAL right? Just want to clarify. Does that mean DeNA buy over Daisuki? Because if it does, then they can just choose to stream the anime in MAL without the need of approval from those studios since they have the rights. The op was asking if it was more popular in other countries than Japan not stating it. Kuma said: That's only from the paranoid people obsessed with sjws.and "western kills anime" is really often we hear... |
DrGeroCreationAug 2, 2017 10:57 PM
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Wasshio said: Kuma said: yes, outsider does influence japan... i never deny that... i even said it's not a bad thing... streaming service is new big thing nowdays... i heard chinese streaming profit is enough to funding anime... so outsider influence with globalism definitely make industry even bigger... That's pretty true. Although that would really help a lot and make it circle around? Maybe. who knows... china even already made their own animation studio in japan... it look like doesn't well received yet... but how intense chinese put their money in japan animation make me didn't sure about the future... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| A Nekopara OVA was also funded via Kickstarter. Outsiders. |
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IpreferEcchi said: One of the Yu-Gi-Oh! movies was commissioned by America. I already proved that they are important. It may have been important for that film, but for foreigners to be considered really relevant in the industry lots of anime geared towards foreign audiences should exist, which it doesn't, and certain politically charged series(Gate, KC, Mahouka etc) shouldn't exist, which it does. |
DrGeroCreation said: Zapredon said: Daisuke is run by Anime Consortium Japan, I don't think DeNA owns Anime Consortium. I made a mistake saying Daisuke is DeNA's streaming service.I know they are founded by those.You said it's DeNA who promoted it's streaming website to MAL right? Just want to clarify. Does that mean DeNA buy over Daisuki? Because if it does, then they can just choose to stream the anime in MAL without the need of approval from those studios since they have the rights. Ah, I see. I was confuse about that last part. I guess it shouldn't be surprise if those in industry does know MAL towards certain extent though it's probably at minimum now since Daisuki is shutting down. Did Daisuki already started streaming in MAL before DeNA buy over or only after DeNA take over MAL? DrGeroCreation said: What Netflix thread specifically? I don't think most people believe the industry gets more revenue from America than Japan. I do think though that the people who are like oh my god anime is going to be ruined by Netflix or all anime now is going to be for sjw are pretty stupid. Agree. It stupid people think Netflix will ruin anime. Or maybe they are just being weaboos. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
DrGeroCreation said: Kuma said: That's only from the paranoid people obsessed with sjws.and "western kills anime" is really often we hear... exactly, hence why i given data on how it isn't... IpreferEcchi said: A Nekopara OVA was also funded via Kickstarter. Outsiders. out of how many shows japan produced? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Lanz said: IpreferEcchi said: One of the Yu-Gi-Oh! movies was commissioned by America. I already proved that they are important. It may have been important for that film, but for foreigners to be considered really relevant in the industry lots of anime geared towards foreign audiences should exist, which it doesn't, and certain politically charged series(Gate, KC, Mahouka etc) shouldn't exist, which it does. Who are you to say what content people are allowed to create? The ideas presented in other anime also aren't exclusive to Japan. Take a good look around the internet. The West secretly loves it. Kuma said: IpreferEcchi said: A Nekopara OVA was also funded via Kickstarter. Outsiders. out of how many shows japan produced? It's irrelevant how many. The point is people will get what they want from the industry if they pay for it. |
IpreferEcchiAug 2, 2017 11:05 PM
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IpreferEcchi said: It's irrelevant how many. The point is people will get what they want from the industry if they pay for it. yes, however, the data saying it still too few... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
IpreferEcchi said: Lanz said: It may have been important for that film, but for foreigners to be considered really relevant in the industry lots of anime geared towards foreign audiences should exist, which it doesn't, and certain politically charged series(Gate, KC, Mahouka etc) shouldn't exist, which it does. Who are you to say what content people are allowed to create? The ideas presented in other anime also aren't exclusive to Japan. Take a good look around the internet. The West secretly loves it. I personally have no problem with them, but certain anime that concern Japan's army and WW2 can offend quite a lot of people in Asia. If they thought foreign audiences were that important they would refrain from making such anime(and using the rising sun flag in some scenes) |
DrGeroCreation said: @Zapredon They already know of it so Daisuke shutting down wouldn't make them forget about it. It was after DeNA bought Mal. Some people can't help being paranoid. So I guess it's DeNA introducing them to MAL. Before that they knew nothing about MAL. If they already panic Netflix taking over imagine how they will react when it's China turn. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
j0x said: i do not know if that trend continues, nothing is absolute except change they say and with western companies like Netflix and Amazon investing more in anime then it will get popular and thus more profitable to the anime industry so they will care because they like capitalism (profit making) follow the money trail dude lol aren't it already? if we talking about globalism influence, it definitely already.... but look like japan still really stumble about this... they can't really trust china investment because political influence may stop their investment at anytime... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Zapredon said: Yeah I would guess so. I could just imagine the alt righters who frequent Current Events freaking out and saying all anime now will be commie propaganda because of China.DrGeroCreation said: @Zapredon They already know of it so Daisuke shutting down wouldn't make them forget about it. It was after DeNA bought Mal. Some people can't help being paranoid. So I guess it's DeNA introducing them to MAL. Before that they knew nothing about MAL. If they already panic Netflix taking over imagine how they will react when it's China turn. |
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j0x said: Kuma said: aren't it already? if we talking about globalism influence, it definitely already.... but look like japan still really stumble about this... they can't really trust china investment because political influence may stop their investment at anytime... im confuse about whats your point then, i thought you are saying the main profit of anime comes from japan and other places are just not that important and then i respond that i doubt that will be the case sooner or later and you even mention China buying more anime (licenses) so it kinda defeats your first point already there no, my point is oversea influence definitely getting bigger and will getting bigger... however, not to the point until overcome japan it self... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| kuma, =/ let someone check your thread b4 you post, makes your point easier to understand, took me like 5 post to understand somehwat OT:outsiders like to think their influencing anime more than they think? cause westerns kills anime is always fun for delusional people |
| It's good that Slop leveling won the CR awards with such a power gap, Gaijin Weebs don't deserve good anime. Not after what they did to frieren, kusuriya, and many others |
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