Why do people like to compare with another popular anime when describe about an anime although it doesn't make any f*cking sense?
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Jul 9, 2017 10:35 AM
#51
zal said: EThMAS said: Because you didn't explain yourself properly nor make much sense.I don't fucking understand why there are people who can misunderstand my point. Of course you can compare anything if you want. Of course you can do anything if you want. But is it good? Is it bad? Is it make scene? Yet you didn't elaborated on these points, you started rambling about the comparison only based on the title of the videos and at time contradict yourself."The only similar thing these 2 shows have is they both have settings about playing video games" that's enough ground to start a comparison. Maybe you disagree because you probably like the other anime and feel that the comparison with SAO throws a bad light on it but that has nothing to do with the comparison being appropriate or not. "it's like comparing between Evangelion and Code Geass because both shows have robots!" you can do that as well, I don't see what's so ridiculous about it. You can compare how the two shows use robots or how robots work because both have robots. Internet forums are built to make people give there opinions and discussions about anything, but of course they can't impose people to act like they wanted. However you are the one that is imposing his opinion on other that these comparisons are ridiculous without any real argumentation on why or even what are those comparisons. According to you "they just can't do it"Why there are some people acting like I restrict people to compare things. Because your language is too aggressive thanks to your continuous usage of fuck every fucking sentence for no fucking reason other than fucking make you sound like you are fucking mad. Using fuck is useless in a discussion, doesn't add anything meaningful to the topic.This thread is all about I give my opinion that brain-dead comparisons between two shows without any research and meaning are bad and "make no sense". What are those comparisons and why are they brain-dead?On the contrary you just said that these shows also have differences therefore you can't compare them. However in that case EVERY SINGLE SHOW is UNIQUE because there will always be at least one single difference that will justify you for saying that you can't compare them. You can compare anything because anything can be generalized to the point that has something in common with almost anything else, "needing research" is not a requirement. You can't say that 2 things are absolutely incomparable. On the other hand you can discuss how relevant those comparisons are which you are not doing at all in this thread. You didn't start this thread as a discussion more like "this is what I think and you have to agree with me" just because you don't agree with what anime are compared. You said there's no comparison between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul but Pullman presented some points they have in common for comparison but you won't agree (and this is my assumption) because you like a show (Ajin) but dislike the other (Tokyo Ghoul) and are not enough open minded for comparisons beyond your taste. And finally, those are just clickbaits so don't overthink them. I say one more time, I don't said that you can't compare these shows, but these comparison don't have any actual meaning and it bore me and I don't understand why people keep making these type of comparison instead of good comparison that have real purpose of building criticism. |
Jul 9, 2017 10:47 AM
#52
EThMAS said: Then I will also repeat myself, it's just click bait. There's no purpose intended other than enough sentences to fill 10 minutes.zal said: EThMAS said: I don't fucking understand why there are people who can misunderstand my point. Of course you can compare anything if you want. Of course you can do anything if you want. But is it good? Is it bad? Is it make scene? "The only similar thing these 2 shows have is they both have settings about playing video games" that's enough ground to start a comparison. Maybe you disagree because you probably like the other anime and feel that the comparison with SAO throws a bad light on it but that has nothing to do with the comparison being appropriate or not. "it's like comparing between Evangelion and Code Geass because both shows have robots!" you can do that as well, I don't see what's so ridiculous about it. You can compare how the two shows use robots or how robots work because both have robots. Internet forums are built to make people give there opinions and discussions about anything, but of course they can't impose people to act like they wanted. Why there are some people acting like I restrict people to compare things. This thread is all about I give my opinion that brain-dead comparisons between two shows without any research and meaning are bad and "make no sense". On the contrary you just said that these shows also have differences therefore you can't compare them. However in that case EVERY SINGLE SHOW is UNIQUE because there will always be at least one single difference that will justify you for saying that you can't compare them. You can compare anything because anything can be generalized to the point that has something in common with almost anything else, "needing research" is not a requirement. You can't say that 2 things are absolutely incomparable. On the other hand you can discuss how relevant those comparisons are which you are not doing at all in this thread. You didn't start this thread as a discussion more like "this is what I think and you have to agree with me" just because you don't agree with what anime are compared. You said there's no comparison between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul but Pullman presented some points they have in common for comparison but you won't agree (and this is my assumption) because you like a show (Ajin) but dislike the other (Tokyo Ghoul) and are not enough open minded for comparisons beyond your taste. And finally, those are just clickbaits so don't overthink them. I say one more time, I don't said that you can't compare these shows, but these comparison don't have any actual meaning and it bore me and I don't understand why people keep making these type of comparison instead of good comparison that have real purpose of building criticism. Also I didn't get why they have no meaning according to you. |
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Jul 9, 2017 10:58 AM
#53
[quote=zal message=51451528] EThMAS said: You didn't start this thread as a discussion more like "this is what I think and you have to agree with me" just because you don't agree with what anime are compared. You said there's no comparison between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul but Pullman presented some points they have in common for comparison but you won't agree (and this is my assumption) because you like a show (Ajin) but dislike the other (Tokyo Ghoul) and are not enough open minded for comparisons beyond your taste. You just take this thing out of context bro. I said this comparison "make no sense" because of the term "rip-off". Do you know what "rip-off" mean? It's like saying Ajin is the copy-paste of Tokyo Ghoul and has no value whatsoever. So I proved to him that Ajin has a lot of different things with Tokyo Ghoul and the only thing that "feel alike" is the settings and I think that Ajin isn't the "rip-off" of Tokyo Ghoul. And why can you conclude that I hate Tokyo Ghoul just because I disagreed with this guy? |
Jul 9, 2017 11:02 AM
#54
EThMAS said: I got to that conclusion not because of the rip-off sentence but because of what you wrote in this post:zal said: You didn't start this thread as a discussion more like "this is what I think and you have to agree with me" just because you don't agree with what anime are compared. You said there's no comparison between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul but Pullman presented some points they have in common for comparison but you won't agree (and this is my assumption) because you like a show (Ajin) but dislike the other (Tokyo Ghoul) and are not enough open minded for comparisons beyond your taste. You just take this thing out of context bro. I said this comparison "make no sense" because of the term "rip-off". Do you know what "rip-off" mean? It's like saying Ajin is the copy-paste of Tokyo Ghoul and has no value whatsoever. So I proved to him that Ajin has a lot of different things with Tokyo Ghoul and the only thing that "feel alike" is the settings and I think that Ajin isn't the "rip-off" of Tokyo Ghoul. And why can you conclude that I hate Tokyo Ghoul just because I disagreed with this guy? EThMAS said: Pullman said: Because it made sense to them and they thought it would support their argument, I assume? Just like it made sense for you to include a Filthy Frank video in this post while from my perspective it ruins any credibility you had. It's all subjective. If you're really completely unable to understand any comparison you just lack imagination tbh. It's not too hard to see why people would compare certain shows. It doesn't need to be 100% the same as long as there's certain aspects that can be compared, that's how a comparison works. Your comments about the comparisons makes me think you just don't get how they work. 'They are different types of games' 'They are different types of sport' those aren't arguments against a comparison. You can very well compare sports anime to each other even if they are about different sports and gaming anime that are about different games, for example. Your argument in that regard makes no sense at all. It doesn't get much more similar without being literally the same thing. And just because Tokyo Ghoul and Ajin do some stuff differently doesn't make them 'completely different shows without any similarity whatsoever'. They have a fair amount of similarities and it makes sense comparing them in their approach to them. Calling one a ripoff is pretty stupid but that doesn't mean the comparison in general is. It's not like people are comparing Tokyo Ghould with K-On or Ajin and Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Now those would be random anime with no similarities whatsoever. But every comparison from your post seems fairly legit and you just lack the ability (or more likely willingness) to understand them because they hit a nerve or whatever. *shrug* I don't understand WTF are you saying. The title is "Haikyuu art style with Yuri on Ice dancing". Is Yuri on Ice about "dancing"? And what do two shows have in similarity? They are both about sport? And what do Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul have in similarity? They are both dark? With your logic I can compare Ajin with LoGH because both shows have strategy, military and politics elements! Also yes you can compare Ajin with LoGH regarding their use of strategy, military and politics. |
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Jul 9, 2017 11:03 AM
#55
zal said: EThMAS said: Then I will also repeat myself, it's just click bait. There's no purpose intended other than enough sentences to fill 10 minutes.zal said: EThMAS said: Because you didn't explain yourself properly nor make much sense.I don't fucking understand why there are people who can misunderstand my point. Of course you can compare anything if you want. Of course you can do anything if you want. But is it good? Is it bad? Is it make scene? Yet you didn't elaborated on these points, you started rambling about the comparison only based on the title of the videos and at time contradict yourself."The only similar thing these 2 shows have is they both have settings about playing video games" that's enough ground to start a comparison. Maybe you disagree because you probably like the other anime and feel that the comparison with SAO throws a bad light on it but that has nothing to do with the comparison being appropriate or not. "it's like comparing between Evangelion and Code Geass because both shows have robots!" you can do that as well, I don't see what's so ridiculous about it. You can compare how the two shows use robots or how robots work because both have robots. Internet forums are built to make people give there opinions and discussions about anything, but of course they can't impose people to act like they wanted. However you are the one that is imposing his opinion on other that these comparisons are ridiculous without any real argumentation on why or even what are those comparisons. According to you "they just can't do it"Why there are some people acting like I restrict people to compare things. Because your language is too aggressive thanks to your continuous usage of fuck every fucking sentence for no fucking reason other than fucking make you sound like you are fucking mad. Using fuck is useless in a discussion, doesn't add anything meaningful to the topic.This thread is all about I give my opinion that brain-dead comparisons between two shows without any research and meaning are bad and "make no sense". What are those comparisons and why are they brain-dead?On the contrary you just said that these shows also have differences therefore you can't compare them. However in that case EVERY SINGLE SHOW is UNIQUE because there will always be at least one single difference that will justify you for saying that you can't compare them. You can compare anything because anything can be generalized to the point that has something in common with almost anything else, "needing research" is not a requirement. You can't say that 2 things are absolutely incomparable. On the other hand you can discuss how relevant those comparisons are which you are not doing at all in this thread. You didn't start this thread as a discussion more like "this is what I think and you have to agree with me" just because you don't agree with what anime are compared. You said there's no comparison between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul but Pullman presented some points they have in common for comparison but you won't agree (and this is my assumption) because you like a show (Ajin) but dislike the other (Tokyo Ghoul) and are not enough open minded for comparisons beyond your taste. And finally, those are just clickbaits so don't overthink them. I say one more time, I don't said that you can't compare these shows, but these comparison don't have any actual meaning and it bore me and I don't understand why people keep making these type of comparison instead of good comparison that have real purpose of building criticism. Also I didn't get why they have no meaning according to you. I just ask you one question: Do you ever get bored because of "XX vs YY" type of threads? If you don't then ok, nevermind! |
Jul 9, 2017 11:04 AM
#56
EThMAS said: Here's a pro-tip, you can just ignore them and they won't affect you. zal said: EThMAS said: zal said: EThMAS said: Because you didn't explain yourself properly nor make much sense.I don't fucking understand why there are people who can misunderstand my point. Of course you can compare anything if you want. Of course you can do anything if you want. But is it good? Is it bad? Is it make scene? Yet you didn't elaborated on these points, you started rambling about the comparison only based on the title of the videos and at time contradict yourself."The only similar thing these 2 shows have is they both have settings about playing video games" that's enough ground to start a comparison. Maybe you disagree because you probably like the other anime and feel that the comparison with SAO throws a bad light on it but that has nothing to do with the comparison being appropriate or not. "it's like comparing between Evangelion and Code Geass because both shows have robots!" you can do that as well, I don't see what's so ridiculous about it. You can compare how the two shows use robots or how robots work because both have robots. Internet forums are built to make people give there opinions and discussions about anything, but of course they can't impose people to act like they wanted. However you are the one that is imposing his opinion on other that these comparisons are ridiculous without any real argumentation on why or even what are those comparisons. According to you "they just can't do it"Why there are some people acting like I restrict people to compare things. Because your language is too aggressive thanks to your continuous usage of fuck every fucking sentence for no fucking reason other than fucking make you sound like you are fucking mad. Using fuck is useless in a discussion, doesn't add anything meaningful to the topic.This thread is all about I give my opinion that brain-dead comparisons between two shows without any research and meaning are bad and "make no sense". What are those comparisons and why are they brain-dead?On the contrary you just said that these shows also have differences therefore you can't compare them. However in that case EVERY SINGLE SHOW is UNIQUE because there will always be at least one single difference that will justify you for saying that you can't compare them. You can compare anything because anything can be generalized to the point that has something in common with almost anything else, "needing research" is not a requirement. You can't say that 2 things are absolutely incomparable. On the other hand you can discuss how relevant those comparisons are which you are not doing at all in this thread. You didn't start this thread as a discussion more like "this is what I think and you have to agree with me" just because you don't agree with what anime are compared. You said there's no comparison between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul but Pullman presented some points they have in common for comparison but you won't agree (and this is my assumption) because you like a show (Ajin) but dislike the other (Tokyo Ghoul) and are not enough open minded for comparisons beyond your taste. And finally, those are just clickbaits so don't overthink them. I say one more time, I don't said that you can't compare these shows, but these comparison don't have any actual meaning and it bore me and I don't understand why people keep making these type of comparison instead of good comparison that have real purpose of building criticism. Also I didn't get why they have no meaning according to you. I just ask you one question: Do you ever get bored because of "XX vs YY" type of threads? If you don't then ok, nevermind! I posted in the first 20ish threads about "this season is the worst season ever", I got bored at the 21st so I stopped. I might answer from time to time if I am in the mood. |
zalJul 9, 2017 11:11 AM
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Jul 9, 2017 11:37 AM
#57
zal said: EThMAS said: I got to that conclusion not because of the rip-off sentence but because of what you wrote in this post:zal said: You didn't start this thread as a discussion more like "this is what I think and you have to agree with me" just because you don't agree with what anime are compared. You said there's no comparison between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul but Pullman presented some points they have in common for comparison but you won't agree (and this is my assumption) because you like a show (Ajin) but dislike the other (Tokyo Ghoul) and are not enough open minded for comparisons beyond your taste. You just take this thing out of context bro. I said this comparison "make no sense" because of the term "rip-off". Do you know what "rip-off" mean? It's like saying Ajin is the copy-paste of Tokyo Ghoul and has no value whatsoever. So I proved to him that Ajin has a lot of different things with Tokyo Ghoul and the only thing that "feel alike" is the settings and I think that Ajin isn't the "rip-off" of Tokyo Ghoul. And why can you conclude that I hate Tokyo Ghoul just because I disagreed with this guy? EThMAS said: Pullman said: Because it made sense to them and they thought it would support their argument, I assume? Just like it made sense for you to include a Filthy Frank video in this post while from my perspective it ruins any credibility you had. It's all subjective. If you're really completely unable to understand any comparison you just lack imagination tbh. It's not too hard to see why people would compare certain shows. It doesn't need to be 100% the same as long as there's certain aspects that can be compared, that's how a comparison works. Your comments about the comparisons makes me think you just don't get how they work. 'They are different types of games' 'They are different types of sport' those aren't arguments against a comparison. You can very well compare sports anime to each other even if they are about different sports and gaming anime that are about different games, for example. Your argument in that regard makes no sense at all. It doesn't get much more similar without being literally the same thing. And just because Tokyo Ghoul and Ajin do some stuff differently doesn't make them 'completely different shows without any similarity whatsoever'. They have a fair amount of similarities and it makes sense comparing them in their approach to them. Calling one a ripoff is pretty stupid but that doesn't mean the comparison in general is. It's not like people are comparing Tokyo Ghould with K-On or Ajin and Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Now those would be random anime with no similarities whatsoever. But every comparison from your post seems fairly legit and you just lack the ability (or more likely willingness) to understand them because they hit a nerve or whatever. *shrug* I don't understand WTF are you saying. The title is "Haikyuu art style with Yuri on Ice dancing". Is Yuri on Ice about "dancing"? And what do two shows have in similarity? They are both about sport? And what do Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul have in similarity? They are both dark? With your logic I can compare Ajin with LoGH because both shows have strategy, military and politics elements! Also yes you can compare Ajin with LoGH regarding their use of strategy, military and politics. Do you even read his post bro. He said that comparing between Yuri on Ice and Ballroom, Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul is ok, because they have "a fair amount of similarities" but he found comparison between Ajin and LoGH, Tokyo Ghoul and K-ON are weird. While for me comparing between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul is just the same with comparing between Ajin and LoGH just because only the similar thing that I found out is these two shows have settings that "feel the same" which is so obvious. I don't see the "fair amount of similarities" like he said. |
EThMASJul 9, 2017 11:51 AM
Jul 9, 2017 11:54 AM
#58
EThMAS said: I did read but I am not Pullman so I don't necessarily think the same. They might be weird but if you want to make comparisons based on those grounds then (for me) you can, even Tokyo Ghoul compared to K-On. zal said: EThMAS said: zal said: You didn't start this thread as a discussion more like "this is what I think and you have to agree with me" just because you don't agree with what anime are compared. You said there's no comparison between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul but Pullman presented some points they have in common for comparison but you won't agree (and this is my assumption) because you like a show (Ajin) but dislike the other (Tokyo Ghoul) and are not enough open minded for comparisons beyond your taste. You just take this thing out of context bro. I said this comparison "make no sense" because of the term "rip-off". Do you know what "rip-off" mean? It's like saying Ajin is the copy-paste of Tokyo Ghoul and has no value whatsoever. So I proved to him that Ajin has a lot of different things with Tokyo Ghoul and the only thing that "feel alike" is the settings and I think that Ajin isn't the "rip-off" of Tokyo Ghoul. And why can you conclude that I hate Tokyo Ghoul just because I disagreed with this guy? EThMAS said: Pullman said: Because it made sense to them and they thought it would support their argument, I assume? Just like it made sense for you to include a Filthy Frank video in this post while from my perspective it ruins any credibility you had. It's all subjective. If you're really completely unable to understand any comparison you just lack imagination tbh. It's not too hard to see why people would compare certain shows. It doesn't need to be 100% the same as long as there's certain aspects that can be compared, that's how a comparison works. Your comments about the comparisons makes me think you just don't get how they work. 'They are different types of games' 'They are different types of sport' those aren't arguments against a comparison. You can very well compare sports anime to each other even if they are about different sports and gaming anime that are about different games, for example. Your argument in that regard makes no sense at all. It doesn't get much more similar without being literally the same thing. And just because Tokyo Ghoul and Ajin do some stuff differently doesn't make them 'completely different shows without any similarity whatsoever'. They have a fair amount of similarities and it makes sense comparing them in their approach to them. Calling one a ripoff is pretty stupid but that doesn't mean the comparison in general is. It's not like people are comparing Tokyo Ghould with K-On or Ajin and Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Now those would be random anime with no similarities whatsoever. But every comparison from your post seems fairly legit and you just lack the ability (or more likely willingness) to understand them because they hit a nerve or whatever. *shrug* I don't understand WTF are you saying. The title is "Haikyuu art style with Yuri on Ice dancing". Is Yuri on Ice about "dancing"? And what do two shows have in similarity? They are both about sport? And what do Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul have in similarity? They are both dark? With your logic I can compare Ajin with LoGH because both shows have strategy, military and politics elements! Also yes you can compare Ajin with LoGH regarding their use of strategy, military and politics. Do you even read his post bro. He said that comparing between Yuri on Ice and Ballroom, Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul is ok, because they have "a fair amount of similarities" but he found comparison between Ajin and LoGH, Tokyo Ghoul and K-ON are weird. While for me comparing between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul is just the same with comparing between Ajin and LoGH just because only the similar thing that I found out is these two shows have settings that "feel the same". I don't see the "fair amount of similarities" like he said. Those comparisons being relevant or not are another topic, topic that maybe you wanted to discuss here but compromised by presenting it the wrong way. You didn't say what those comparisons were nor why according to you they were brain dead. You just said that they should stop because they can't compare them so in response you get people disagreeing because they think you can compare them if the comparison is relevant. Instead of focusing on what makes a good/constructive comparison you made the thread about if people can make comparisons. |
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Jul 9, 2017 12:10 PM
#59
zal said: EThMAS said: I did read but I am not Pullman so I don't necessarily think the same. They might be weird but if you want to make comparisons based on those grounds then (for me) you can, even Tokyo Ghoul compared to K-On. zal said: EThMAS said: I got to that conclusion not because of the rip-off sentence but because of what you wrote in this post:zal said: You didn't start this thread as a discussion more like "this is what I think and you have to agree with me" just because you don't agree with what anime are compared. You said there's no comparison between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul but Pullman presented some points they have in common for comparison but you won't agree (and this is my assumption) because you like a show (Ajin) but dislike the other (Tokyo Ghoul) and are not enough open minded for comparisons beyond your taste. You just take this thing out of context bro. I said this comparison "make no sense" because of the term "rip-off". Do you know what "rip-off" mean? It's like saying Ajin is the copy-paste of Tokyo Ghoul and has no value whatsoever. So I proved to him that Ajin has a lot of different things with Tokyo Ghoul and the only thing that "feel alike" is the settings and I think that Ajin isn't the "rip-off" of Tokyo Ghoul. And why can you conclude that I hate Tokyo Ghoul just because I disagreed with this guy? EThMAS said: Pullman said: Because it made sense to them and they thought it would support their argument, I assume? Just like it made sense for you to include a Filthy Frank video in this post while from my perspective it ruins any credibility you had. It's all subjective. If you're really completely unable to understand any comparison you just lack imagination tbh. It's not too hard to see why people would compare certain shows. It doesn't need to be 100% the same as long as there's certain aspects that can be compared, that's how a comparison works. Your comments about the comparisons makes me think you just don't get how they work. 'They are different types of games' 'They are different types of sport' those aren't arguments against a comparison. You can very well compare sports anime to each other even if they are about different sports and gaming anime that are about different games, for example. Your argument in that regard makes no sense at all. It doesn't get much more similar without being literally the same thing. And just because Tokyo Ghoul and Ajin do some stuff differently doesn't make them 'completely different shows without any similarity whatsoever'. They have a fair amount of similarities and it makes sense comparing them in their approach to them. Calling one a ripoff is pretty stupid but that doesn't mean the comparison in general is. It's not like people are comparing Tokyo Ghould with K-On or Ajin and Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Now those would be random anime with no similarities whatsoever. But every comparison from your post seems fairly legit and you just lack the ability (or more likely willingness) to understand them because they hit a nerve or whatever. *shrug* I don't understand WTF are you saying. The title is "Haikyuu art style with Yuri on Ice dancing". Is Yuri on Ice about "dancing"? And what do two shows have in similarity? They are both about sport? And what do Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul have in similarity? They are both dark? With your logic I can compare Ajin with LoGH because both shows have strategy, military and politics elements! Also yes you can compare Ajin with LoGH regarding their use of strategy, military and politics. Do you even read his post bro. He said that comparing between Yuri on Ice and Ballroom, Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul is ok, because they have "a fair amount of similarities" but he found comparison between Ajin and LoGH, Tokyo Ghoul and K-ON are weird. While for me comparing between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul is just the same with comparing between Ajin and LoGH just because only the similar thing that I found out is these two shows have settings that "feel the same". I don't see the "fair amount of similarities" like he said. Those comparisons being relevant or not are another topic, topic that maybe you wanted to discuss here but compromised by presenting it the wrong way. You didn't say what those comparisons were nor why according to you they were brain dead. You just said that they should stop because they can't compare them so in response you get people disagreeing because they think you can compare them if the comparison is relevant. Instead of focusing on what makes a good/constructive comparison you made the thread about if people can make comparisons. Honestly, after seeing these videos' titles, I just go ranting. But doesn't after all I already gave some examples of good comparison here. EThMAS said: Look like some people don't understand my idea. Here are some good and "make sense" comparison -Compare between One punch man and Mob psycho 100 to see how the author (ONE) develop his writing skill and characters building skill. - Compare between Mushishi and Natsume Yuujinchou in term of similar way of story telling, to see how these two shows have a good story. - Compare between old style light novel and new type of LN to see how the LN trend is evolving over time... It's type of comparison that need research and building criticism. It's not the type of brain-dead and pointless comparison that just like typical "XX vs YY" circle-jerk. And here: EThMAS said: Compare between Mushishi and Natsume Yuujinchou "make sense" because they both have a similar great way of story telling. And this element made these shows have good story. This comparison to prove that even the shows don't have a complex story with a lot of plot twists, they still have a good story if they have a great way of story telling. If you want to make a video with your ideas, you should do some research and prove points like: - What are elegant performance arts? - Why these two shows stand out among other sport anime? What are their unique features? - Why are you compare between Yuri on Ice and Ballroom e Youkoso, and not compare Ballroom e Youkoso with others like Kuroko no Basuke? After all what things that you want to prove? If you can prove all these things, then your comparison is good and "make sense". |
EThMASJul 9, 2017 12:18 PM
Jul 9, 2017 1:22 PM
#60
EThMAS said: Should've put those in the first post though to give the right direction to the thread from the start. zal said: EThMAS said: zal said: EThMAS said: I got to that conclusion not because of the rip-off sentence but because of what you wrote in this post:zal said: You didn't start this thread as a discussion more like "this is what I think and you have to agree with me" just because you don't agree with what anime are compared. You said there's no comparison between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul but Pullman presented some points they have in common for comparison but you won't agree (and this is my assumption) because you like a show (Ajin) but dislike the other (Tokyo Ghoul) and are not enough open minded for comparisons beyond your taste. You just take this thing out of context bro. I said this comparison "make no sense" because of the term "rip-off". Do you know what "rip-off" mean? It's like saying Ajin is the copy-paste of Tokyo Ghoul and has no value whatsoever. So I proved to him that Ajin has a lot of different things with Tokyo Ghoul and the only thing that "feel alike" is the settings and I think that Ajin isn't the "rip-off" of Tokyo Ghoul. And why can you conclude that I hate Tokyo Ghoul just because I disagreed with this guy? EThMAS said: Pullman said: Because it made sense to them and they thought it would support their argument, I assume? Just like it made sense for you to include a Filthy Frank video in this post while from my perspective it ruins any credibility you had. It's all subjective. If you're really completely unable to understand any comparison you just lack imagination tbh. It's not too hard to see why people would compare certain shows. It doesn't need to be 100% the same as long as there's certain aspects that can be compared, that's how a comparison works. Your comments about the comparisons makes me think you just don't get how they work. 'They are different types of games' 'They are different types of sport' those aren't arguments against a comparison. You can very well compare sports anime to each other even if they are about different sports and gaming anime that are about different games, for example. Your argument in that regard makes no sense at all. It doesn't get much more similar without being literally the same thing. And just because Tokyo Ghoul and Ajin do some stuff differently doesn't make them 'completely different shows without any similarity whatsoever'. They have a fair amount of similarities and it makes sense comparing them in their approach to them. Calling one a ripoff is pretty stupid but that doesn't mean the comparison in general is. It's not like people are comparing Tokyo Ghould with K-On or Ajin and Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Now those would be random anime with no similarities whatsoever. But every comparison from your post seems fairly legit and you just lack the ability (or more likely willingness) to understand them because they hit a nerve or whatever. *shrug* I don't understand WTF are you saying. The title is "Haikyuu art style with Yuri on Ice dancing". Is Yuri on Ice about "dancing"? And what do two shows have in similarity? They are both about sport? And what do Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul have in similarity? They are both dark? With your logic I can compare Ajin with LoGH because both shows have strategy, military and politics elements! Also yes you can compare Ajin with LoGH regarding their use of strategy, military and politics. Do you even read his post bro. He said that comparing between Yuri on Ice and Ballroom, Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul is ok, because they have "a fair amount of similarities" but he found comparison between Ajin and LoGH, Tokyo Ghoul and K-ON are weird. While for me comparing between Ajin and Tokyo Ghoul is just the same with comparing between Ajin and LoGH just because only the similar thing that I found out is these two shows have settings that "feel the same". I don't see the "fair amount of similarities" like he said. Those comparisons being relevant or not are another topic, topic that maybe you wanted to discuss here but compromised by presenting it the wrong way. You didn't say what those comparisons were nor why according to you they were brain dead. You just said that they should stop because they can't compare them so in response you get people disagreeing because they think you can compare them if the comparison is relevant. Instead of focusing on what makes a good/constructive comparison you made the thread about if people can make comparisons. Honestly, after seeing these videos' titles, I just go ranting. But doesn't after all I already gave some examples of good comparison here. EThMAS said: Look like some people don't understand my idea. Here are some good and "make sense" comparison -Compare between One punch man and Mob psycho 100 to see how the author (ONE) develop his writing skill and characters building skill. - Compare between Mushishi and Natsume Yuujinchou in term of similar way of story telling, to see how these two shows have a good story. - Compare between old style light novel and new type of LN to see how the LN trend is evolving over time... It's type of comparison that need research and building criticism. It's not the type of brain-dead and pointless comparison that just like typical "XX vs YY" circle-jerk. And here: EThMAS said: Compare between Mushishi and Natsume Yuujinchou "make sense" because they both have a similar great way of story telling. And this element made these shows have good story. This comparison to prove that even the shows don't have a complex story with a lot of plot twists, they still have a good story if they have a great way of story telling. If you want to make a video with your ideas, you should do some research and prove points like: - What are elegant performance arts? - Why these two shows stand out among other sport anime? What are their unique features? - Why are you compare between Yuri on Ice and Ballroom e Youkoso, and not compare Ballroom e Youkoso with others like Kuroko no Basuke? After all what things that you want to prove? If you can prove all these things, then your comparison is good and "make sense". However looking at your examples, isn't comparing SAO with King's avatar in terms of approach of in-game life to see which one has the better/more interesting approach? Then again the XX vs YY gain more attention and popularity with less effort so there's that. |
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Jul 9, 2017 2:33 PM
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zal said: However looking at your examples, isn't comparing SAO with King's avatar in terms of approach of in-game life to see which one has the better/more interesting approach? I don't understand this sentence so much. For me a "good comparison" is when the comparison can lead to an interesting conclusion (or "meaning"), it's not just simple "show A better than show B because..." or "show A look the same with show B because..." because these type of topics will not go anywhere. For example, if you compare SAO and King's avatar in terms of approach of in-game life. And if after all you think that King's avatar is better in this aspect then what is the conclusion here? Or you just compare this aspect and simply say The King's Avatar is better than SAO? |
EThMASJul 9, 2017 2:38 PM
Jul 9, 2017 2:41 PM
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Jul 9, 2017 2:45 PM
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I generally find seemingly unrelated comparisons fair game if there's a specific aspect of one anime that's reminiscent to another. Not necessarily similar, but calls to memory a particular series. For example, Boku no Hero Academia reminds me of the Hunter Exam from HxH. Not for any extraordinary reason, just that both have a certain wit about them when it comes to characters taking advantage of their abilities. On the other hand, I wouldn't say "Boku no Hero is better than HxH!" because HxH is better |
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