logic340 said: bingo, so far I've buddied town and shat on my teammates. Except in SM where a dead thread made it my personal playground. The fact that u agreed to this now makes me question my t v m or m v t read on u 2 |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SuzakuTsubasa said: I don't see the point in voting Logic as long as no one counter claim Vote lynch: reiynii wrong cause in an open setup no ones gonna counterclaim this early its suicide and stupid for town to out themselves to catch mafia. But I still don't see the point in voting someone who claimed as long as there's nothing to prove it wrong. If the claim is fake it'll be revealed sooner or later. wen294 said: Hm? Why? Did you get what you wanted? If so what was that? Cause i haven't noticed much that could sway your opinion tbh so i don't get where this is coming from. I was voting him because of his vote on logic. As long as nothing comes to say he lied, I don't see any reason to lynch him. Vote lynch: Militus I'm not sure if I'll be back around phase change so I'm placing it here like I said. His posts were clearly anti-town to me. And he doesn't seem to come back today. |
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wen294 said: reiynii said: Now that I think of it, Logic claimed even when he had only one vote?? What did he claim for? I'm sorry my dear but I just don't understand your ways! Change vote: Logic <3 What a perfect way to have the person mafia can't kill counter claim though~ ;-; I don't get this vote.... at all....... Claiming hider means that we don't have to spend time sorting him out further untill counterclaim arrives. In the end for town there's not much risk here, as hider isn't a night kill priority at all. Well the risk is that scum has less chance of wasting NK i guess but aside from that. In the end for town it's just a way of saving time. For scum it's a needless risk to claim early due to how easy it is to counter claim. ESPECIALLY consider the role doesn't have to be wary of counterclaiming because even if they do that and out themselves as i said before they won't be a high night kill priority. In the end i don't see the purpose of this overly early uncountered claim coming from scum. IN this situation i see no reason for either faction to counterclaim cause its pointless and suicidal the fact that logic claimed so easily on a role thats good with staying hidden is so wierd. |
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Votes so far! PentaFlare (3) - (Suzune-chan, reiynii, Shinchi-Kun) Shinichi-Kun (1) - (Militus) logic340 (1) - (AbuHumaid) ironace (4) - (Sleipnirr, wen294, Rinto-kun, grrr) PTYamin (2) - (yurkin, RE1031]) Militus (3) - (logic340, ironace, SuzakuTsubasa) reiynii (2) - (Coelestin, PentaFlare) Not voting: DenjaX, PTYamin, Karote, Floofs Time until Night 1! TIMER! |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I respect that....I think people who's plans hinge on others should have their own logic flipped on them. Similar to Militus wanting you lynched because town needs a body?PentaFlare said: Everyone please read this carefully Although it is great that people are providing reads and listing people for Karote, since that does show where everyone is in terms of mindset, we can't forget that we are lynching someone in 7 hours. That needs to be our focus right now. Because this is an open set-up, there is a way we should be approach this part of the phase. There seems to be a few suspects that many different people are wary of. To decide the lynch, ad need to run each of these players up one at a time. Focus on them for a moment, force a claim, decide if their claim is believable, and let them defend themself. If they seem good after this, we move on to another suspect. The most suspicious person gets lynched. This approach is very effective at sorting players and getting interaction that is very telling once there have been flips, but go do this, there needs to be focus from the town and an effort to get things done. I would like to start with logic. I have reasons to suspect him, but others have also said they are feeling a little suspicious or wary of him. Let's run him up, force a claim, and get a my heart clearer read, one way or the other. We need other people to vote him though to get him as the leading train. I don't want this to devolve into a last minute scramble. We have 7 hours, so if we start now we can make an educated lynch that is many times more likely to catch scum. Ok since u decided on this plan i'm all for putting you up on the execution first Vote:Pentaflare Seeing as how you're one of my suspects and i get where ur coming from makes sense that u get to go first don't you think. I also do feel like claiming does nothing because no ones going to counterclaim this early. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Well it depends on how he uses said role.wen294 said: I don't get this vote.... at all....... Claiming hider means that we don't have to spend time sorting him out further untill counterclaim arrives. In the end for town there's not much risk here, as hider isn't a night kill priority at all. Well the risk is that scum has less chance of wasting NK i guess but aside from that. In the end for town it's just a way of saving time. For scum it's a needless risk to claim early due to how easy it is to counter claim. ESPECIALLY consider the role doesn't have to be wary of counterclaiming because even if they do that and out themselves as i said before they won't be a high night kill priority. In the end i don't see the purpose of this overly early uncountered claim coming from scum. IN this situation i see no reason for either faction to counterclaim cause its pointless and suicidal the fact that logic claimed so easily on a role thats good with staying hidden is so wierd. He said he's gonna use it as investigative role, so he needs to out it before D2 hits anyway. When exactly he outs it doesn't even matter all that much. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: question it all you want doesn't change the fact. ironace could be scum here but I find tpr or town more likely. If he was scum with me I'd probably treat him like I did Abu in DDM.logic340 said: bingo, so far I've buddied town and shat on my teammates. Except in SM where a dead thread made it my personal playground. The fact that u agreed to this now makes me question my t v m or m v t read on u 2 |
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| Captain list. Militus - (Sleip, ironace, logic, Abu, yurk, Suzaku, Floofs, Coel, Rinto) 9 votes Wen - (Sleip, logic, RE, Abu, Floofs, grrr) 6 votes grr - (Sleip, ironace, reiynii, RE, wen) 5 votes PTYamin - (RE, Abu, yurk, Rinto, logic) 5 votes Logic - (reiynii, Suzaku, Floofs, grrr) 4 votes Abu - (reiynii, Rinto) 2 votes Shinichi - (ironace, grrr) 2 votes Penta - (yurk) ironace - (wen) Floofs - (wen) Denja - (Suzaku) reiynii - (Coel) |
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reiynii said: Wen, you (Coelestin) and RE are also the same person because they both have somewhat similar aura around them, both kind of like secondary main characters, you know? Working to get somewhere but not really all that apparent- a slight town read! I want to lynch you now... But I won't. @Karote Quick question, what do you think about Penta's plan and why he'd suggest it? Also, it doesn't bother anyone Militus is leading in the votes Captain list? Could be third party. But something I've noticed is people who annoy me tend to be town. I think he's town. |
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| #853 Nah after rereading the hiders role i got he has a better usage if revealead. Logic cant be n.k. and his ability is a way to townclear suspects, plus the chance for logic to die is close to nonexisting - it requires for him to hide behind the one mafia plans to kill. And obviously a way to out the mafia members. So logic claiming will actually help the town imo. |
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RE1031 said: Don't exclude bussing.reiynii said: Wen, you (Coelestin) and RE are also the same person because they both have somewhat similar aura around them, both kind of like secondary main characters, you know? Working to get somewhere but not really all that apparent- a slight town read! I want to lynch you now... But I won't. @Karote Quick question, what do you think about Penta's plan and why he'd suggest it? Also, it doesn't bother anyone Militus is leading in the votes Captain list? Could be third party. But something I've noticed is people who annoy me tend to be town. I think he's town. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: tired of fighting off lyncheds and getting other townies killed in the process. I get run up and in the end I don't get lynched and another town Falls. So let's get me out of the way and let's focus on real scum. If one of the other factions decides to counterclaim then it works out for us again because we're definitely going to get scum. I'm going to try dvd find mafia and hide there I'll out the info it just before phase change and if I die then two gets plenty of info. If not we know said player is town or tpr. I think it's a good information role and I'm willing to risk my life to provide said infornation. I know I confuse you when I'm town I'm sorry for that.wen294 said: I don't get this vote.... at all....... Claiming hider means that we don't have to spend time sorting him out further untill counterclaim arrives. In the end for town there's not much risk here, as hider isn't a night kill priority at all. Well the risk is that scum has less chance of wasting NK i guess but aside from that. In the end for town it's just a way of saving time. For scum it's a needless risk to claim early due to how easy it is to counter claim. ESPECIALLY consider the role doesn't have to be wary of counterclaiming because even if they do that and out themselves as i said before they won't be a high night kill priority. In the end i don't see the purpose of this overly early uncountered claim coming from scum. IN this situation i see no reason for either faction to counterclaim cause its pointless and suicidal the fact that logic claimed so easily on a role thats good with staying hidden is so wierd. |
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wen294 said: RE1031 said: Don't exclude bussing.I want to lynch you now... But I won't. @Karote Quick question, what do you think about Penta's plan and why he'd suggest it? Also, it doesn't bother anyone Militus is leading in the votes Captain list? Could be third party. But something I've noticed is people who annoy me tend to be town. I think he's town. I know lol.... Vibes say town though. Although it'd be nice if he could respond to my ping. |
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RE1031 said: reiynii said: Wen, you (Coelestin) and RE are also the same person because they both have somewhat similar aura around them, both kind of like secondary main characters, you know? Working to get somewhere but not really all that apparent- a slight town read! I want to lynch you now... But I won't. @Karote Quick question, what do you think about Penta's plan and why he'd suggest it? Also, it doesn't bother anyone Militus is leading in the votes Captain list? Could be third party. But something I've noticed is people who annoy me tend to be town. I think he's town. I don't like mass claims but the plan sounds solid, I'm sure 3rd party/mafia will be very much against it. And suggested because we can't decide on a lynch target, everyone just seems want to bus the scummiest players. |
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reiynii said: logic340 said: Doesn't it weird you out how everyone refused Grrr's claiming proposal yet are fine with Penta's way of the same thing? I would claim in an instant too but that's only if I start to lead the votes. For now, people are voting for me for such weird reasons..I wish someone would counterclaim me. Scum do not want a dichotomy because even if everybody lynched me because someone counterclaim they'll get Lynch next. My approach is different. I'm deciding amongst the suspects who is the best lynch. My goal is not claims. My goal is to find someone who reacts suspiciously to pressure. I'm not getting claims from everyone. Just suspects. |
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PentaFlare said: So, Sleipnirr has been my strongest townread for a good while now, but it was bugging how almost nobody seemed to be talking much about him except to criticize his vote. Since everyone, especially scum, regularly ignores me when I talk about townreads, I figured I should try a different approach to see if I could get other players to give other perspectives on Sleipnirr. I got perspectives from Coel and Karote, but most other people seem to be avoiding Sleipnirr like the plague. That said, there is one person I'm specific whose response bothered me, logic. Logic was the most vocal critic of Sleipnirr's vote, yet wouldn't touch on the subject when I was presenting it in the form of a train. It feels really strange to me, and since I've been getting a pretty evil tonal read from him this game, I'm going to move my vote there. Vote: logic340 This guy is actually evil. I'm not lying about my read this time. Ummm so what now? |
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reiynii said: logic340 said: Well if people keep voting for me and then I claim, won't everyone just to someone else until they find mafia? Isn't that the point of what Penta is trying to do? Nobody would counter claim after all if the person just claimed their role~dk who are you saying is ok with Penta's proposal? I feel like what he proposed would happen naturally and I've wrestled with a read on Penta save I'm struggling but I think I'm leaning town again *shrugs*. As for my claim until proven otherwise consider that you have two confirmed town in Hibana and Cap. I was really down Pyro told me I couldn't hide behind Karote. That was the loophole I thought I had found. If someone claims your role. Counter. Then, the interrogator will catch the fake easily. |
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Karote said: Why no one suspects yurkin, RE, Coelestin? I trust RE the most out of them, yurkin is kind of neutral to me and Coelestin, my gut wants to say she's suspicious but her actions seem so town-ish. Yep i wonder the same stuff karote. |
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Karote said: Captain list. Militus - (Sleip, ironace, logic, Abu, yurk, Suzaku, Floofs, Coel, Rinto) 9 votes grr - (Sleip, ironace, reiynii, RE, wen) 5 votes Wen - (Sleip, logic, RE, Abu, Floofs) 5 votes PTYamin - (RE, Abu, yurk, Rinto) 4 votes Logic - (reiynii, Suzaku, Floofs) 3 votes Penta - (logic, yurk) 2 votes Abu - (reiynii, Rinto) 2 votes Shinichi - (ironace) ironace - (wen) Floofs - (wen) Denja - (Suzaku) reiynii - (Coel) Okay i dont understand this but I will give my input: Logic, Wen, Shinichi. (nothing personal here, i just dont like you guys : D ) |
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grrr said: Shinichi-Kun said: WHy would the sk kill miller? If miller dies then everyone will know that the sk is someone that is wary and paying attention to the thread. Also miller should claim as soona s possible, if anything hes a good test dummy for harmful effects that may be hidden behind that ??? role. Because SK doesn't want to kill mafia's target. And mafia will obviously not go for the miller. How about this shinichi, you claim miller and I promise to kill you tonight if I am SK. Deal ? Whats your agenda here honestly I cant see any aim in your posts this game. A townie aim at least. |
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wen294 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Well it depends on how he uses said role.IN this situation i see no reason for either faction to counterclaim cause its pointless and suicidal the fact that logic claimed so easily on a role thats good with staying hidden is so wierd. He said he's gonna use it as investigative role, so he needs to out it before D2 hits anyway. When exactly he outs it doesn't even matter all that much. Role claiming under no pressure is always supicious unless its a harmful role like a miller. |
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logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: question it all you want doesn't change the fact. ironace could be scum here but I find tpr or town more likely. If he was scum with me I'd probably treat him like I did Abu in DDM.The fact that u agreed to this now makes me question my t v m or m v t read on u 2 They keyword is probably |
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The_Pyromaani said: check fluffy night chat got itAlso i think i havent mentioned is Night talking allowed. Well it is but strategic talking aint allowed during night. Night is meant for resting hohoho |
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grrr said: Karote said: Captain list. Militus - (Sleip, ironace, logic, Abu, yurk, Suzaku, Floofs, Coel, Rinto) 9 votes grr - (Sleip, ironace, reiynii, RE, wen) 5 votes Wen - (Sleip, logic, RE, Abu, Floofs) 5 votes PTYamin - (RE, Abu, yurk, Rinto) 4 votes Logic - (reiynii, Suzaku, Floofs) 3 votes Penta - (logic, yurk) 2 votes Abu - (reiynii, Rinto) 2 votes Shinichi - (ironace) ironace - (wen) Floofs - (wen) Denja - (Suzaku) reiynii - (Coel) Okay i dont understand this but I will give my input: Logic, Wen, Shinichi. (nothing personal here, i just dont like you guys : D ) I won't count your votes : D |
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wen294 said: reiynii said: Yeah well penta's plan is basically an overly long-winded mass claim plan as far as i can see.Well if people keep voting for me and then I claim, won't everyone just to someone else until they find mafia? Isn't that the point of what Penta is trying to do? Nobody would counter claim after all if the person just claimed their role~ Can't say i like the idea of voting someone just for the sake of seeing them claim tho. I'm not. All my votes have lynch intent unless proven innocent to my standards. |
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| Seeing as grrr claimed... And grrr... Does the real (I'm presuming here) vigilante counterclaim? |
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ironace said: ok so i have caught up with the disscussion so heres my answers to some of the questions i remember @coelestin I will not mind sheeping but you need to give atlest some convincing evidence to get my vote. And the reason why i say that shinichi is not neutral is because if he was then he would want to have some level of idea about sledge's role, but he doesnt, which isnt very beneficial to either the town or the 3rd party. Im siding with the fact that he's a mafia for now but i will not vote him for now. Ive actually forgotten why i was suspicious of grrr, he hasent talked after the begining of D1 and so i havent managed to get a better grasp of his character. As i said before my reasons were partly based on a gut feeling and that was the case with pentaflare. And for the moment of truth, the one you all have been waiting for, the person im voting for will be millitus. THIS IS NOT BECAUSE HE COPIED ME OK??!! well he appears to act too sinister and omnious, but his level is one which i believe will be avoided by the mafia. I dont think he is a townie either-if he is, hes trying to act as a shady man.I think he is neutral.I am voting for him because i see the roles of the 3rd party to be the most annoying ones to deal with. If you guys have some thoughts to share on why i could be wrong im willing to listen. But for now, vote:Millitus BTW, im soo popular right now ...hehehe. This is bad. Ironace I dont know if somebody said that to you but we dont really roleplay the characters we get unless it is a rule of the game so you likening a person's behaviour to a role is a wrong aproach to the game. |
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RE1031 said: Seeing as grrr claimed... And grrr... Does the real (I'm presuming here) vigilante counterclaim? Oh please DO counter claim me : D ! that would be a fun thing to do : D . |
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grrr said: RE1031 said: Seeing as grrr claimed... And grrr... Does the real (I'm presuming here) vigilante counterclaim? Oh please DO counter claim me : D ! that would be a fun thing to do : D . Fun, yes. Beneficial, I have doubts. |
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Floofs said: 1. This is my first time seeing this type of game mechanic. Green faction = most players so hopefully they will get most or all of the perks 2. My wording of the question is kind of confusing so I will try to explain where I was going with it. If other factions get perk-a-colas that would be bad for the green faction (obviously). I was trying to see if you thought this was the only problem with the perks. The other problem I foresee with perks is that it will lead to mass vote changes from everyone to get perks. In the quick start guide one of the strategies used to catch scum is the vote count analysis. I think with the mass vote changes, this strategy may not be helpful. Since this will result in the green faction having one less strategy to use, do you think this causes a disadvantage? 3. I was trying to have question 2 flow into question 3, but it didn't go over well XD I was hoping that you would bring up mass vote changes and talk about an idea to avoid that. I think train with 10 to 15 will make it extremely hard for the green faction to pick out scum (shinichi's point). @Karote Do you think that there is a way that we can avoid this since you are the Capitao? Since you can select 5 people on certain days, is there a way for you to use that somehow? I know this will require most if not all of the players to agree this and if you are okay with mass amounts of pressure, but do you think grrr's idea of you selecting people to be on trains will help stop a mass train and limit scum on the train? Also, I agree with logic that the main train should have 2 maybe 3 more votes than the 2nd largest train. 4. I picked these quotes since they talked about perks to try to give you other ideas about perks and to see if you would think about a mass vote change. EDIT:added @logic340 in regards to 353 EDIT 2: added @Suzune-chan since you answered my questions in 691 This is actually quiet a good post but dont you think that taking action yourself rather than waiting is better (if somebody calls me hypocrite he is dead) |
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Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: Everyone please read this carefully Although it is great that people are providing reads and listing people for Karote, since that does show where everyone is in terms of mindset, we can't forget that we are lynching someone in 7 hours. That needs to be our focus right now. Because this is an open set-up, there is a way we should be approach this part of the phase. There seems to be a few suspects that many different people are wary of. To decide the lynch, ad need to run each of these players up one at a time. Focus on them for a moment, force a claim, decide if their claim is believable, and let them defend themself. If they seem good after this, we move on to another suspect. The most suspicious person gets lynched. This approach is very effective at sorting players and getting interaction that is very telling once there have been flips, but go do this, there needs to be focus from the town and an effort to get things done. I would like to start with logic. I have reasons to suspect him, but others have also said they are feeling a little suspicious or wary of him. Let's run him up, force a claim, and get a my heart clearer read, one way or the other. We need other people to vote him though to get him as the leading train. I don't want this to devolve into a last minute scramble. We have 7 hours, so if we start now we can make an educated lynch that is many times more likely to catch scum. Ok since u decided on this plan i'm all for putting you up on the execution first Vote:Pentaflare Seeing as how you're one of my suspects and i get where ur coming from makes sense that u get to go first don't you think. I also do feel like claiming does nothing because no ones going to counterclaim this early. This is so wrong. Everyone muuuuuust counterclaim if someone claims their role. Not doing so is purposely letting mafia live. We have a role that is perfectly designed to resolve counterclaim, the interrogator. |
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grrr said: did you see my claim or was it hidden amongst the fluff?If you don't want to claim, I have no choice but to force you :( . I didn't want to do it this way ... but well it doesn't mean I won't enjoy it :/ . |
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Karote said: Why no one suspects yurkin, RE, Coelestin? I trust RE the most out of them, yurkin is kind of neutral to me and Coelestin, my gut wants to say she's suspicious but her actions seem so town-ish. I'm leaning town with Coel. It's not a really strong read though. Worth some discussion next phase. |
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RE1031 said: I like that question. I guess they figure he's done for already?Do we want ironace to claim? Why is it that he's leading in the votes but not in the Captain list? @Karote can you swap PTYamin into my list and take Penta out please? |
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RE1031 said: Do we want ironace to claim? Why is it that he's leading in the votes but not in the Captain list? No i will change my vote currently in 17 |
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